Arch User Reacts To Linus Tech Tips Linux Challenge Pt 3

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Brodie Robertson

Brodie Robertson

2 жыл бұрын

We're back for the 3rd part of the Linux Tech Tips linux challenge and this week went surprisingly well, I mean really well I didn't even have anything to say about most of the video. For basic user tasks Linus and Luke have sort of got used to using Linux.
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@toast1797
@toast1797 2 жыл бұрын
To all the "Linus should know better from his server experience" 1. Watching Linus being a Linux wizard blazing through all his tasks would bring absolutely nothing to improving the desktop experience 2. Y'all underestimate how polished and user friendly server applications are on Linux. You know the OS that basically runs the Internet.
@samljer
@samljer 2 жыл бұрын
yea. That and they forget that linus actually has a linux professional on staff. they wernt allowed to get his help for this challenge.
@ChristopherCobra
@ChristopherCobra 2 жыл бұрын
on #2 - you don't know how right you are.
@fabricio4794
@fabricio4794 Жыл бұрын
@@samljer He knows that Manjaro is not User Friendly and Slapt that community on the Face,Pop OS did a Bug with that Steam Stuff,but my Guess is if Linus would using Linux Mint ,he will pretend some failure there do not Encourage new people to use Linux.Because he is Canadian and love to be Wiretapped by his Government,or he is another Truedau shill.
@velocibadgery
@velocibadgery 2 жыл бұрын
Linus didn't actually make a mistake with the digital signing. He was going about it the correct way so it would be legally binding. And as he is a businessman, I expect that.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Both methods are correct ways it's just that there was no chance anyone was doing that in 15 minutes
@NirmalveerSingh
@NirmalveerSingh 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson both aren't correct, what are you talking about
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson No chance that the overwhelming majority of people could get it done for the first time in less than 15 minutes. Otherwise it's certainly possible.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
@@NirmalveerSingh they both did a digital signature, Linus took the technical approach and Luke digitised his signature.
@mietek958
@mietek958 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson Luke made a electronic signature, challenge was to digitally sign a document which he did not do. The challange probably wanted them to electronicaly sign the document but they used the wrong term. And arguing that he did a digital signature is just wrong, digital signature is a defined scheme that requires a private and public key.
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to assume he knows how KVM works from the multitude of x gamers 1 cpu or similar videos he's done. Just my thoughts.
@ShiroKage009
@ShiroKage009 2 жыл бұрын
Good point
@RamkrishanYT
@RamkrishanYT 2 жыл бұрын
Tux live KVM migration is their podcast sponsor 😂
@samljer
@samljer 2 жыл бұрын
No, he has a linux professional on staff. He also made it very clear in episode one they wernt allowed to get help from him. His name is Wendel i think? (that name might be wrong) (best to usually avoid assumptions)
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
@@samljer That statement is both incorrect and contradictory lol. His name is Anthony (Wendel is from a different channel), and yes, he has a "linux professional" on staff (Anthony knows about Linux but that's not his main job). He also has jake who does most of the server and infrastructure. But Linus himself has set up multiple KVMs. And as you mentioned, they are not allowed help from any of them, so it doesn't matter.
@sigmawolf228
@sigmawolf228 2 жыл бұрын
arch users are so cheap and stupid
@ex0stasis72
@ex0stasis72 2 жыл бұрын
I think the reason for Linus' weird patchy Linux knowledge is because of his lack of free time to spend on developing a comprehensive Linux knowledge, but his open-mindedness to get deep into command line tools (despite what he says) allowed him to go down some of these rabbit holes.
@Souls4Roca
@Souls4Roca 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you see the irony? Like every one been saying for years, especially towards the plasma team, users should not need to know to code or have to open the terminal, ever, also fix the damn dolphin root access but they never listen, so..
@schemage2210
@schemage2210 2 жыл бұрын
@@Souls4Roca You see that is also shortsighted as the number one place you're going to find Linux is the server space. A space where you will almost never be guaranteed a GUI but always have access to a terminal. I wager more Linux developers have cared more for getting that server functionality working first and foremost and making a comfortable desktop experience secondary to that. As such, they really haven't had the time to iron out all the edge cases where the terminal is still required. It's not like there is an army of paid programmers that have been working on a single OS for decades al la Windows/microsoft.
@schemage2210
@schemage2210 2 жыл бұрын
More likely that it has been seen in many of his previous videos that Linus has used virtual machines previous, particularly whenever he has done a "one machine, many gamer" setups etc. Just as he has also previous used Linux for testing various setups, just not done so as a daily driver.
@leonardonovara9348
@leonardonovara9348 2 жыл бұрын
Copy and pasting configs is an art by itself.
@Bob-of-Zoid
@Bob-of-Zoid 2 жыл бұрын
@@schemage2210 Well, not DE teams, which KDE is! Everything they make for the most part is GUI centric, and really they are the best at it, although you have to go through a shit ton of settings, install extra services, turn things on... and viola': It's a way better experience than what Windows users could even dream of having. With KDE it's in there, you just have to release the beast! I have multiple tool bars, desktops, useful widgets, and great theming, Dolphin in dual pane and tab modes, with my most used functions in the toolbar (REFRESH too!), a crap load of file/folder operations on right click to select from, where I can do things directly, so without opening files in apps... I have Snippets and advanced find/replace and highlighting in Kate, and more of the same in most KDE Apps, all working together in concert, and I haven't even explored "KDE Actions" yet! It's workflow deluxe 20,000!
@Fernando-ek8jp
@Fernando-ek8jp 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't take his take as Linux needing to "Windowsify", just that the vast majority of users are familiar with simpler, more streamlined OS experiences like, well Android.
@gardian06_85
@gardian06_85 2 жыл бұрын
it isn't that Linux needs to do thing "the Windows way" but more that Linux needs to take a parity between CLI and GUI; sure throw a bunch of confirmation boxes, or if there is a text dump needed then you open a terminal and show them the text dump. the biggest thing that Linux is lacking is the word "intuitive" you end up with stuff designed, created, tested, and validated by developers with no input from a "dumb user" and then if someone says they don't understand or can't find something the response is often "RTFM lol" (and that is the ones that don't just roll their eyes or give a condescending explanation)
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
If Android is so simple why am I throwing my curse-ed phone against the wall about 4 times a day? I find Android baffling.
@YahyaFalcon
@YahyaFalcon 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomclark1213 as someone who spends most of their free time on their android phone i don't know what you're talking about, even when i started using android i don't remember ever struggling to figure anything out, what part specifically do you find "baffling"?
@WhyDontYouBuildit
@WhyDontYouBuildit 2 жыл бұрын
I personally find easier experiences to usually be, let's say, less complete experiences. Having everything accessible via GUI wouldn't necessary make it simpler or more streamlined. At the same time android is by default limiting the things a user can do. The simple task of accessing a file is usually done via some sort of isolation by which you access one kind of file by one app. For example your image files via your gallery app. That's ok I suppose, and you can always install a specific app for a specific task. But I must say that using my Nokia N900 was much more empowering, and much more fun than using an android phone.
@UKprl
@UKprl 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomclark1213 What I've observed with Android is the vendor has free choice to pair it with a low spec SoC or storage medium, as there isn't some enforced minimum hardware requirement. If you could install IOS on any device rather than hardware controlled by Apple I think you'd see a more hit and miss experience there too.
@ryebread095
@ryebread095 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Linus is advocating for Linux to be more like Windows, I think he's advocating for a better user experience
@Finakechi
@Finakechi 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I think Brodie is misunderstanding a bit what Linus was saying there.
@TazerXI
@TazerXI 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. He is saying that, when people come from Windows, they will do things the windows way, so we need to adapt tutorials and ui to accommodate for the habit that Windows users will use. For example, I would only stay on debian based distro for a while, just because I didn't realise package managers exist, and would only go online to find a .deb, similar to how a windows user doesn't open the Microsoft store, they go online to find an exe
@joschafinger126
@joschafinger126 2 жыл бұрын
... from a "why isn't this more like Windows?" perspective. You're basically right, but Linus's idea of a good UX is so married to Windows, I myself would hate it almost as much as I hate having to work with Windows.
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think that's right mostly, but I also think he's saying that Linux should be more like Windows so he doesn't have to do anything different, and that's going a bit too far. I am a Cinnamon/Mint fan and I actually think Windows should be more like it. =) But to be fair, since Mint has positioned itself to be the Windows > Linux pipeline, then it behooves it to make everything feel like Windows as it should be (rather than Windows as it is). I think Linus would have had a much better experience with Mint and it would have been better also if he tried to find the answers in the GUI and app store -- first -- and stay away from the terminal and web articles telling you what to do in the terminal.
@gardian06_85
@gardian06_85 2 жыл бұрын
I see it as a request that there be a feature parity between the CLI and GUI, where according to many distros/DEs "there are some actions that MUST be done in the terminal, and why would you ever do that in the GUI you might make a mistake" copying some random terminal command from a guide on the internet (even if it might be explained) can be just as bad as randomly clicking in the GUI.
@MrJakeTucker
@MrJakeTucker 2 жыл бұрын
1:20 - "Linus' really weird range of Linux knowledge" - I think this might be because through the years he gets help from people like Anthony and (I can't remember the other guys name) to set up things like his home and work servers which I believe are both Linux. So for some years he has been grabbing bits of Linux knowledge which go quite deep.
@jjjacer
@jjjacer 2 жыл бұрын
yep i was gonna mention this, the seems to have more of a server style of knowledge (network file systems, kvm and such) but some of that also could be the first google result on how to do stuff which if writen by most linux people will be all CLI. he does seem to do real bad with linux GUI's
@JessicaFEREM
@JessicaFEREM 2 жыл бұрын
thanks I was about to say that. what comes to mind is the mac KVM video.
@EclipseMints08
@EclipseMints08 2 жыл бұрын
Well, a virtual machine isn't just a "linux" thing. I'm sure it was pretty easy of just installing and getting the .iso.
@nordern1
@nordern1 2 жыл бұрын
When compressing: A cool alternative to producing a hidden temp file might be to notice that the temp file corresponds to the compression progress and show the progress bar behind the filename
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
If it's integrated directly into the file manager that would be cool but otherwise wouldn't be possible
@nordern1
@nordern1 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson The progress bar is already integrated into KDE, and we are talking about dolphin. Also, if we could somehow recognizably mark a file as temp, we could build a standard that it asks around for the status over dbus or something.
@SkigBiggler
@SkigBiggler 2 жыл бұрын
@@nordern1 could just use a dotted file. Most normal users won’t have those set to visible, and then you don’t need to do too much. Also makes it accessible to power users and avoids the need for a temp directory or some new standard. Other option would be to use extended attributes, but those aren’t really reliably implemented, they’re kinda a feature that exists but doesn’t get much use
@nordern1
@nordern1 2 жыл бұрын
​@@SkigBiggler Not to get snarky, but dot files where just the kind of aproach that is so boringly obvious that I didn't really thought it worth mentioning. But a good compromise might be to do both: A dot file for the write in progress and a file with the target filename, a magic number identifing it as a placeholder, and a reference to the dot file, maybe even the PID of the writing process. Then Dolphin (and other file managers) can see that the file is a reference to something in progress and display it accordingly.
@PrideSage99
@PrideSage99 2 жыл бұрын
I love linux, and really appreciate what they are doing with this challenge. That being said, there are a lot of developers especially DE developers that *NEED* this absolute kick to the nuts that Linus is giving them. Linux isn't user friendly. Pop and Elementary are the closest, Zorin being right behind, but they're still missing the point and way behind the curve.
@thegardenofeatin5965
@thegardenofeatin5965 2 жыл бұрын
What isn't user friendly about Mint Cinnamon?
@PrideSage99
@PrideSage99 2 жыл бұрын
@@thegardenofeatin5965 I haven't used cinnamon yet, so I'm gonna give an argumentative, typical KZfaq reply. iTs tOO WIndOwS likE!!1!!one!
@PrideSage99
@PrideSage99 2 жыл бұрын
Just for you sir, I will try it 😉
@ifihadfriends437
@ifihadfriends437 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno man... Zorin is pretty damn user friendly - I found PopOS more confusing coming from both a Windows and MacOS background.
@HikariKnight
@HikariKnight 2 жыл бұрын
The reason the CTRL+SHIFT+drag/drop is the shortcut to make a symlink/shortcut is because that is the exact same hotkey that has been used in windows for ages (at least since XP). however i do think nemo should have the make link option in the context menu too, which sadly it does not
@jemsterr
@jemsterr 2 жыл бұрын
I have been doing it that way myself since XP. It worked for me in Mint/MATE, and it works for me in Manjaro/XFCE. Drag and drop with Shift forces move, with Ctrl forces copy, and with Ctrl+Shift a shortcut is created. (Although, in Windows, it gives you a context menu to choose between the 3 with shortcut as default).
@STNKbone
@STNKbone 2 жыл бұрын
It works this way in Dolphin as well
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly it doesn't, but you can go to Edit > Make Link then Edit > Move To ... and accomplish the task.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Ok so it's dumb shortcut on Windows as well lol, I didn't know that existed. I've only ever used the context menu to make a shortcut
@jemsterr
@jemsterr 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson It's basically the same as drag and drop with RMB on Windows.
@affieuk
@affieuk 2 жыл бұрын
The file copy thing wasn't that is hadn't flushed, he has a massive screen and the progress bar is in a stupid location, see bottom right of his screen.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 жыл бұрын
In the us the act of signing is legally binding not the signature itself. Signatures are very easy to fake and very hard to detect if someone has faked one, So you generally have to sign super important stuff in front of a notary.
@npswm1314
@npswm1314 2 жыл бұрын
LTT is in Canada. Idk what its like there but Linus being Linus overthought the entire thing.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 жыл бұрын
@@npswm1314 yea I can't wait for part 4.
@Antoto96
@Antoto96 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of viewrs are also forgetting that Linus is a CEO who has to sign a lot of legal documents from large companies so in his daily life he probably does have to do all that extra work just to sign something.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 жыл бұрын
@@Antoto96 although how different is the process on windows? if he does it and its the same or a very similar process, he should have finished much faster. I would love to see the uncut footage to see what his mental process was.
@mikefarino4368
@mikefarino4368 2 жыл бұрын
@@MegaLokopo it's probably that linus uses a specific pdf viewer/editor that has the feature built in if he uses it regularly. Hence why he said he probably only needed another 30 minutes to get it worked out.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 жыл бұрын
I think at the end you and linus are both right. I think he was trying to say if you want linux to grow problems have to have an intuitive answer like they do in windows, as in the intuitive answer must exist, not that it has to be the same answer as it is in windows. English is an awful language.
@tireseas
@tireseas 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of ironic because the only reason much of anything in Windows is "intuitive" is because the people claiming it is are used to decades of it's idiosyncrasies. That's what trips up "power users". They've forgotten what the process was to learn.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 жыл бұрын
@@tireseas Part of why windows is so intuitive is because the same simple method will almost always work and because there is an expectation that everything can be done via gui because almost anything can, so you are able to easily learn how to do something by going through the menus page by page and guess and check until you find what you are looking for. On linux if the creator of the software expects you to use the terminal, there is no way you are going to find the solution without googling it. If you are downloading something you go to the website and follow the instructions. regardless of which version of windows you have, if the program is compatible with it you follow the same instructions and it will get installed. And that is assuming that the program requires more instructions than a universal download button that detects which version of windows you are on and installs it automatically. Where as on linux the app you're looking for may only have one download method that will work for your version and the instructions may not be on the website, or if they are they might be very out of date and completely inaccurate. Outside of error codes, you don't have to google anything when learning how to use windows.
@tireseas
@tireseas 2 жыл бұрын
​@@MegaLokopo You're missing my point. That has nothing to do with being "intuitive". It's just a collection of habits that feel more normal because the user has been in the Windows ecosystem for so long. None of it is obvious to a truly new user on either side.
@CyberianFaux
@CyberianFaux 2 жыл бұрын
@@tireseas I disagree with you on this last statement you made. My grandfather who had never used a computer in his entire life (roughly 80) was given an all-in-one computer/monitor with Win10 on it. He was able to, after some assistance for the first couple days of asking what was used for what, to figure out how to use the entirety of the rest of his system extremely quickly just by making inferences based on just a couple things he was taught. That is what it means to be intuitive. If he can learn to use an entire computer based off of what he knows of the process of how to sign in, use google chrome to go to KZfaq, and watch videos, it is intuitive.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo 2 жыл бұрын
@@tireseas If you have to guess and check, you aren't going to learn anything in the terminal. One button downloads are extremely common on windows. What would you count as intuitive? Not requiring a search engine sounds like a good example of intuitive software. Pressing one button that says download, is more intuitive than having to search several methods for the right method to download something. It is all about one method that always works.
@Zatmos
@Zatmos 2 жыл бұрын
12:38 Yes. On Manjaro KDE, my screen would go black whenever I tried to fullscreen a video no matter what kind of video player it was (VLC included) BUT it only did that on secondary displays. On the primary display everything was fine.
@gragogflying-anvil3605
@gragogflying-anvil3605 2 жыл бұрын
My secondary display also does magic. When I put a private Opera window there it's performing really poorly until it crashes after a minute or so. It works on the primary display, a non-private window works on the secondary and every other program is also fine. It's really strange.
@marcranger7421
@marcranger7421 2 жыл бұрын
As a form of solidarity, I have been using Manjaro KDE as my daily driver. I have been able to play games natively or on Proton. There are more games that could run using the Beta Steam, Proton Experimental and Proton GE. It wasn't simple but was I impressed by the number of games I could get running. Skyrim and Fallout NV were more stable on Linux. I also tested Garuda Linux which has many more GUI applications to manage your desktop. I still prefer Manjaro but could see myself using Garuda only for gaming and Manjaro as development environment. This has been my experience so far. Brodie, thanks for giving us your take on this.,
@jamesfitzpatrick9607
@jamesfitzpatrick9607 2 жыл бұрын
I also had this issue but with a small difference. If the application was maximized I would get the black screen. But if it was windowed it worked grand. Something in a update fixed it. Very odd.
@fabricio4794
@fabricio4794 Жыл бұрын
Manjaro is not user friendly,stop to insist with that...
@1fate4all
@1fate4all 2 жыл бұрын
The AUR thing with Manjaro is also just a long term issue going on, since a lot of the AUR stays on the bleeding edge when it comes to package versions. Manjaro holds packages back a week or longer, which leads to many AUR packages not being viable for use if that package is being maintained actively by its developer. So its caused a lot of the AUR to be unusable or even possibly dangerous to the users system due to the Manjaro teams decisions.
@batemanboi9672
@batemanboi9672 2 жыл бұрын
People need to stop recommending manjaro and start recommending endeavorOS
@rishirajsaikia1323
@rishirajsaikia1323 2 жыл бұрын
@@batemanboi9672 why not use vanilla arch, when endeaorOS is just a gui arch installer with DE and have the exact same repository ?
@rishirajsaikia1323
@rishirajsaikia1323 2 жыл бұрын
I fully agree. Manjaro is good but because manjaro has it's own repository which tests and holds packages, the AUR packages sometimes doesn't work and only works a few days later after updating the system.
@fu886
@fu886 2 жыл бұрын
main issue with aur is that dynamic linking in linux make it the package will be sure to fail after a few upgrades and will require rebuilding the package
@batemanboi9672
@batemanboi9672 2 жыл бұрын
@@rishirajsaikia1323 for people who want the benefits arch provide but the ease of use to install. It is everything normies think Manjaro is.
@lucasrokam
@lucasrokam 2 жыл бұрын
20:54 Brodie, I think that you and Linus agree. I didn't interpreted him saying to do the windows way, but to bare in mind that most of the people are coming with that experience and will try to find a similar way to solve a problem. Sure the solution is to improve UX.
@jokalee
@jokalee 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. I think Brodie missed the mark on what Linus was saying. Linux needs to be more user friendly and mainstream period if it is to be adopted by the masses. That doesn't mean making it more like Windows unless you mean things actually working out of the box for the most part.
@ssokolow
@ssokolow Жыл бұрын
For the record, in KDE, there's an "Install" button in the font viewer that pops up when you double-click a font file and clicking it will ask "Personal or System", and then you're done.
@nickvolt2816
@nickvolt2816 2 жыл бұрын
2:20 The file copy process is still in progress. Linus would see that if he would use Gnome or Cinnamon. Long process are placed in status bar next to clock - what you see later in zip task. Player don't ask Dolphin if file is there - it just run command "player /path/to/file.mp4", but the file is broken (not copied) and player fails to open it. Probably can be even blocked for access. 4:30 The only right way to understand this is to add digital signature like Linus tried to do it. The way Luke made it is a case when someone send you docs in pdf and one to get it back with your signatures (for example for a company agreement) - the print it and it's done. This is equivalent of sending printed papers by post and sending back with signatures. Linus failed because he do not read second line of text in 4:00 - the blue link probably would help him. Anyway, I use pc for 25 years and never had to do it. 7:12 That's the first thing you should do it when you have problem. Period. Not only "with Linux". Always. More popular system or app means more good results and fast solutions. 8:35 I don't recall to have problems with printers. Maybe it is distro's problem? I used Debian, I use Manjaro and even HP with WiFi works. BTW: Printer model is in a movie. ;) 9:35 This is just KDE's thing, as I wrote above. 12:10 This is not Mint's thing. In general, all file managment tasks are belong to file manager app (do not depend on distro). In this case this is Nemo file manager like. I don't know if it works that way in any other file manager. 14:05 Show desktop button works just ok - in Cinnamon. I've tried KDE very hard, but there are just so many annoying bugs or doing "KDE way", that I just stopped. 16:50 Not "work" but rather like "school". This is just obvius that when you start to use someting new, you need to learn how to use it. You can't just run Photoshop, Gimp or whatever and start to create professional pictures. World do not work that way. If you use Android and go to iOS, you need to learn it. If you are Windows users since born, you can't just run Linux and be an administrator just like that. 16:55 No. Just an oposit - I would recommend Arch based distro for beginners: Manjaro Cinnamon. Debian based distro and KDE (don't mension Gnome and others) is the easy way to get crazy. Debian (PopOS) episode is the best example what "dependency hell" is - one second and you are on a black screen with blinking cursor. The same with KDE and Gnome where they reinvent wheel again (progress bar on status bar etc). I've tried PopOS, Elementary, Deepin, Fedora and there is always someting wrong - no statusbar icons, modified package manager with small amount of apps, bugs, problems - even on a simple machine like Intel Broadwell based laptop with no Nvidia in it, where all extension cards are by Intel. My last PopOS installation finished with desktop upside down on main screen on a laptop (no other screen conected). 19:20 Dolphin in general is not the best tool to do anyting. If I recall in last distro I had with Dolphin by default, I've replaced it with something else. 20:25 I can't agree... more. Maybe turning Linux into Windows will be better for Windows users, but not for Linux users and not for Linux it self. 22:04 I've recently tried Gentoo again after 5 years at least. Nothing changed - you still need to write wall of nonsense text that could be just placed in a basic installer (like in Debian minimal cd) or even in a shell script. One prefefined script could just replace 10 lines of settings - timezone, language, keyboard layout etc. I understand, that some config you need to set by your self, but what's the point of writing the same lines for everyone when you do chroot? 22:10 There is no such a thing like distro for professionals. Any graphical distro (not including Gentoo, Arch etc installation process) are simple in the same way. Main problem with Linux are new users - most of them never used DOS, Win 3.1 or even Windows 9x, so everything thay now about computers is Windows NT based, where everything you must do by clicks - because command line is hidden in a menu and any command line tools are not popular just like that. I bet that most of them will fail to use Windows 3.x and be frustrated with Windows 9x. 23:48 Yes, Anthony is missing here. I would like to hear his comments after every task or part of the movie.
@CyFr
@CyFr 2 жыл бұрын
The last video SEVERELY downplays Lukes issues with his desktop experience, especially with moving windows around on the desktop
@x0kosmus0x
@x0kosmus0x 2 жыл бұрын
09:08 yes he should have known that it takes a while to compress the files, but the UI is pretty bad. The progress bar should open in the middle of the screen and if the user wants to do something else in the meantime, he should send it to the background. I think Linus just didn't see the progress bar because it was in the right bottom corner and his screen is so big, that he doesn't that he doesn't notice what is happening down there if he is focusing on something in the middle. But even if someone uses a smaller screen this hidden progress bar is a bad idea for accessibility reason. If someone uses a screen magnifier, they can only see parts of the screen and the effects of a action should be visible in the magnified part.
@Max128ping
@Max128ping 2 жыл бұрын
Hell, they can step up than windows by making the Compressing Window being nearby to the mouse That way, less eye travel and near to megnification
@brunoais
@brunoais 2 жыл бұрын
5:10 In EU, any cryptographically signed document, with the government issued private key (for your usage) is as valid as you using your manual signature in the document
@Owczarekk
@Owczarekk 2 жыл бұрын
13:30 Yea resizing windows is horribly laggy for me, especially with picom running but also under gnome or kde from what i tested, and it gets even worse when running game or watching videos in browser, and yes using novideo card with latest drviers. Seems fine under wayland though so maybe when they finally get their drivers up to spec the user experience will get better.
@eli1882
@eli1882 2 жыл бұрын
Wayland all the way
@nvignesh
@nvignesh 2 жыл бұрын
Are you using a traditional hardrive with low rpm?
@eli1882
@eli1882 2 жыл бұрын
@@nvignesh that would have little to no effect on resizing windows.
@nvignesh
@nvignesh 2 жыл бұрын
@@eli1882 for me whenever i have high disk activity like copying , compressing, the whole desktop freezes and stutters. Happened in mint and ubuntu
@Owczarekk
@Owczarekk 2 жыл бұрын
@@nvignesh well not as the main drive but I have one mounted at /hdd1, but i don't think that matters
@mini_bomba
@mini_bomba 2 жыл бұрын
12:22 It actually is VLC... also this doesn't seem to be happening to me with VLC (i use KDE and arch btw, nvidia-dkms drivers, linux-zen kernel)
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
That's really weird them
@EwanMarshall
@EwanMarshall 2 жыл бұрын
What drawing mode is vlc set to use?
@Tio-Nino
@Tio-Nino 2 жыл бұрын
MPV is your best friend.
@FrDismasSayreOP
@FrDismasSayreOP 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson Linus seems to have been destined to hit every weird speed bump in Linux.
@npswm1314
@npswm1314 2 жыл бұрын
A note: Dolphin isnt actually what is compressing the file. That would be ARK. ARK is slow.
@HowToLinux
@HowToLinux 2 жыл бұрын
ark is slow but in my opinion only for zip for some reason
@npswm1314
@npswm1314 2 жыл бұрын
@@HowToLinux It could be that because zip is an older format it just doesnt like it. I usually go w/.tar
@HowToLinux
@HowToLinux 2 жыл бұрын
@@npswm1314 yeah, i usualy also go with either tar or 7zip
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Did I say dolphin, that's my bad if I did
@npswm1314
@npswm1314 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson Yeah you did. Its alright tho.
@pantallahueso
@pantallahueso 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very certain Linus wasn't saying that Linux should be designed to work exactly the same as Windows.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
That's the way it sounded to me
@pantallahueso
@pantallahueso 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson What Linus *said* was that if you want Windows users to transition to Linux, you have to accommodate those people, as they are going to come in with a "Windows Gamer" perspective. Which you agreed to. He never stated, or even suggested, that Linux should be the same as Windows. Heck, he tried OS X just a few years back, and the only thing he seemed to really dislike was Finder. If you asked him if Linux *should* work exactly like Windows, I'm confident he'd say "absolutely not". In fact, you could probably ask him to clarify what he meant when he does his next WAN show stream. He does respond to super chats.
@jgould30
@jgould30 2 жыл бұрын
It's called digital signature vs electronic signature. If you work in the medical or legal field you will be taught the difference. Typing your name like Luke did is NOT going to hold up in court or meet any regulations in pretty much ANY country. Including the USA and Canada.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
But Luke doesn't work in those fields, he's a dev for a media company
@deth3021
@deth3021 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson that doesn't change the fact that it's not legally binding.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
@@deth3021 depending on the country
@deth3021
@deth3021 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson no that isn't legally binding in any country. Some companies accept it, which is a different thing.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
@@deth3021 That doesn't seem to be the case
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
I find it hilarious that while I dual booted mint, I experienced BOTH the weird double-display thing from part 1 and the window lagging issue. It could be Nvidia, it could be cinnamon, not sure, but I do find it quite strange that both Luke and myself had the exact same issues.
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
Weird I used to dual boot (until Windows tanked it) and have Nvidia and never noticed the lagging. However, I haven't gamed on Linux -- yet :). I am going to jump on that pretty soon I think because I think the Steamdeck is going to draw in a lot of devs to Linux (besides I don't AAA CoD and BF style shooters anymore).
@LiveType
@LiveType 2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely cinnamon. If you installed a different DE, the lag would probably disappear. About 1 year ago when windows started getting REALLY slow on my not even old or low-end laptop (3 years cannot be considered old), I switched to linux and since I've always had a good, hassle free experience with Mint, I went mint. I experienced the horrendous UI lag (something I didn't experience before) with my laptop and noped right on out of there and installed arch with a minimal kde install. Went xfce at first and didn't like the default version and I'm like linus where I can't be bothered to customize stuff as that means more hassle when I have to reinstall. So far it's been a flawless experience for browsing the web and general office work. Very snappy, nearly identical useful battery life as on windows, and you can really load up the chrome tabs before the system starts to bog down. There's some strange interaction going on with the display driver and nvidia with cinnamon and they for some reason refuse to address it or create a workaround, because "it's working as intended". It's likely that nvidia drivers and whatnot interpret that "working as intended" thing differently causing problems. Maybe it's already fixed, but I don't know.
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomclark1213 Well I wish you the best of luck!
@moister3727
@moister3727 2 жыл бұрын
Mine caused VSync problema the first time I installed, idk why.
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiveType Very interesting. This was my thought as well, but I wasn't sure. P.S. "I went mint. I experienced the horrendous UI lag and noped right on out of there and installed arch with a minimal kde install." This is more or less what I intend to do lol. Mint was great while it lasted, but it had a few issues that I really didn't like. As soon as the few Anti-cheat games I play support linux I'm ditching windows altogether. Adobe suite and other windows-necessary programs will be run via a KVM. I know I want Kde as my DE, but not sure whether I want to go straight into vanilla Arch or Manjaro.
@Tigrisshark
@Tigrisshark 2 жыл бұрын
Me, a mac-user: Oh yes they do... THEY DO. "Why don't you have a Windows-key?" "Why does CMD+Q close my window? I just wanted to type an '@'!" [German-KB want you to press ALT-GR + Q to get to the @] In the 20 years since I used gentoo I feel that because of people like you the festering elitism seem to have become much better. It's most certainly still there, but to be fair, every community has those. Heck, Apple made commercials about it... I learned much about Linux/Unix through my failed Gentoo install, but till this day it helps me everything from Homeautomation to getting OSX to do stuff it doesn't want to allow users- almost seems like dolphin and Mac OS were made by the same people :) Do I think that the user-experience on Linux still has a bit more to go, yes- but comparing to 20 years ago it seems fantastic what the Linux community/developers have achieved. The only thing left to say is: Screw gatekeepers. They should fuck off- regardless of keeping people out of Apple, Linux or Windows (or even PC-Hardware in general), they are holding their communities back.
@Bob-of-Zoid
@Bob-of-Zoid 2 жыл бұрын
Now you reminded me that I want to get little tux (Linux penguin mascot) stickers for the "Windows" AKA "Start" keys of my keyboards! I hate that they come with Windon't logos on them!!!
@daskadse769
@daskadse769 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how many times Cmd-Q has screwed me on macOS, especially before browsers had the option to require double Cmd-Q or long Cmd-Q to close. Then there's the other keyboard weirdness on macOS (German qwertz here as well), which honestly make more sense intuitively (like having "/|\" all on one key), but the lack of labeling for alt- and alt-shift- symbols makes it hard for me to recall. By now, after years of using macOS and Linux on my Laptop, Windows and Linux on my Desktop, and Linux and BSD on my servers, switching between the input paradigms has become a non-issue. Honestly though: Good UX is not really about making it like the most commonly used Software. It's about intuition, behaviour that follows expectations, orthogonality, and following _some_ conventions. I've recently had the "joy" to use ltspice, which for some reason maps undo/redo to F9/Shift-F9 - that's the kind of conventions that should be followed. While I'm here, let me rant about the macOS window switching a bit. You can switch between applications with Cmd-Tab, which works well, and between windows of a single application with Cmd-`. Now to cycle backwards, the convention is to add the Shift modifier (like Ctrl-Shift-Tab on browser tabs and Cmd-Shit-Tab on applications). But as on German keyboards ` already requires Shift to be pressed, now the Ctrl modifier is used, which not only is unintuitive, but also really weird to simply use (I usually use my thumb for Cmd and my pinkie for shift). Then again, a lot of software uses ´` for shortcuts, and many of them just don't work with a German layout keyboard at all.
@reychop
@reychop 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest most of the complaints can be addressed because error boxes and status messages are not that “obvious”. That’s not trying to make it windows-like or mac os like. It just means that despite advances in linux distros, user friendliness still remains an issue that bars its adoption into mainstream use. I think it’s actually great that they made this challenge. And hopefully some linux distros would take some of the criticisms to heart because to be honest linux still remains close to my heart. I love the open source philosophy and the fact that linux can accommodate lower end systems better than windows or mac. But as it stands there are still a few barriers that can pave the way to linux being installed as the default OS on laptops or home PCs.
@TallWal
@TallWal 2 жыл бұрын
The black screen when making a video fullscreen is an issue with more than the program Linus was using on KDE. It seems to happen only when the program is already maximized, and then setting the video inside that program to fullscreen. I have this same issue with Firefox on Manjaro KDE. I just have to make sure Firefox is not maximized before setting the video to fullscreen.
@joguSD
@joguSD 2 жыл бұрын
I also have this issue on Arch + KDE. I'm using Nvidia drivers which might also be related. I've only ever noticed this with firefox but I'll have to try the "already maximized" tip.
@adsensiv
@adsensiv 2 жыл бұрын
Weirdly I've never had that issue using KDE for ~3 years on 3 different machines, almost always having Firefox maximized and using proprietary nvidia drivers - but I'm also using regular Arch. Maybe it's a configuration issue or pre-installed package on Manjaro causing that issue? I've had different compositor issues in the past caused by the rendering backend in the compositor settings being set to Opengl 2 which were fixed by changing it to Opengl 3.1 - maybe that would be worth a try
@liorean
@liorean 2 жыл бұрын
Digital Signature means there is a cryptographic public/private key signature that is verifiable as to who and when it is signed, and requires a trusted third party to do the verification. It has no required visual component. Electronic signature is a digitised analogue/physical signature, which can be either a photo, a generated image, a fingerprint reader, a soundfile etc. Core of it, is that it has no proof against tampering or forging. A good signing utility would provide both, though, and not fake handwritten signature like Luke, nor be a pure graphical image of a analogue signature, but be cryptographically verifiable. Printing on linux, in my experience is considerably smoother, at least if your printer is a few years old, compared to the cludge and dependency on external software-riddled Windows. But that comes from Apple throwing money at the problem after adopting Next technology for their new Mac OS X system.
@Immudzen
@Immudzen 2 жыл бұрын
One of the things I have realized is that most of the problems Linus has with Linux is due to lack of feedback. The desktop is doing something but seems to provide no feedback on what it is doing or what the progress is. In KDE you should be able to see that in the lower righthand corner if you know what to look for but I have also had issues before where a file just shows as copied immediately when it clearly has not. This is probably something that cuts across all the challenges so far. Linux needs to get much better at feedback.
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
Well yeah tho that's an issue specific to the desktop & file manager he is using. Other distros/desktops/file managers can behave differently. IIRC on big files Mint/Cinnamon/Nemo has a pop-up that shows the progress -- you can't miss it.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Why he uses such a big monitor absolutely baffles me, even for gaming it would be awful at that distance
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson I think it has to do with the amount of money in his pocketsess.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
That's even more of a reason to not use it, he can get anything he wants and goes with that thing
@Immudzen
@Immudzen 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomclark1213 It is an issue specific to that desktop and file manager but that setup is also recommended to new users which is a real problem. However, I would argue that even for advanced users the system should have fairly obvious feedback on what it is doing.
@imzesok
@imzesok Жыл бұрын
this part of the series was setup in the way OS-Firsttimer does theirs. The premise of that channel is basically he chooses a random OS for his mom or another family member to try out for the first time, installs it, and he then sets out a few basic tasks for them to do. sometimes said task is figure out how to render the OS unbootable. IIRC they might have even done one for microsoft bob. Don't know if it's still around, but it was very interesting to watch years ago. Unlike those videos however, there was nobody to keep Linus on track, or to help him and Luke in real time. This could have definitely been done better. As for the printers, I believe they have epson printers. I believe epson, cannon, and HP printers just sort of work out of the box on linux(and have for quite a long time) as well as a handful of large brother office printers. Honestly, when I had just started with linux i was surprised that it was about the only thing that I never had to fight with for hours to get working. this was about 2002ish. Sadly, his experience with linux community forums is the norm, and you're weirdly better off going to reddit. Hell, even 4chan might be less hostile than a normal linux forum. 🤣 Not that i'd recommend it regardless, but still. Those communities' reputation is well earned. For real help: Reddit, askubuntu, and youtube(either in video form itself or in your fav YTubers comment section).
@notuxnobux
@notuxnobux 2 жыл бұрын
2:08 thats not the issue here. His monitor is so large that he cant see that at the bottom right its actually showing transfer progress. He tried to open the file before the file had completed transferring. You can see the transfer window on his monitor in the video.
@ChrispyNut
@ChrispyNut 2 жыл бұрын
Which is something a user would learn can be moved to be top/bottom centre, so it's actually visible on such a large (and high res) screen.
@gustavrsh
@gustavrsh 2 жыл бұрын
I still think progress can be made here.
@bufordmaddogtannen
@bufordmaddogtannen 2 жыл бұрын
@@gustavrsh I agree, improvement can certainly be made between the chair and the keyboard...
@gustavrsh
@gustavrsh 2 жыл бұрын
@@bufordmaddogtannen Sure, blame the user. Soon desktop Linux with have 99 users instead of 100.
@bufordmaddogtannen
@bufordmaddogtannen 2 жыл бұрын
@@gustavrsh I blame that specific user, not all of them. Windows got a few things right when it comes to files handling, macos was on the right path, then scr*wed up in the last couple of releases.
@ex0stasis72
@ex0stasis72 2 жыл бұрын
The shortcut to drag and drop a file to make a shortcut is pretty standard on everything. It may or may not be shift+Ctrl, but if you just start dragging and dropping a file, before you release it, try different combinations of shift, ctrl, an alt until you see the shortcut or alias icon by your mouse cursor.
@thyscott6603
@thyscott6603 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason Linux just doesn't want to let the user know of anything that is going on. For example, Windows; I open a folder (the address bar fills in green colour), I open a system directory without rights (prompts UAC for admin login), I move a file (window pops up with speed and time), I extract a zip (gives me the choice to open the folder after completion and time and speed). There are like endless QOL tweaks that are missing, the gui is basically a waste of everyones time.
@davguev
@davguev 2 жыл бұрын
Brodie: Never use anything but MPV or VLC. Chris Titus: VLC on Linux sucks.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Did he actually say that lol
@0hate9
@0hate9 2 жыл бұрын
oh god, the full screen video playback thing? I've had that. it's a manjaro-specific issue with nvidia cards, iirc
@werr7xp
@werr7xp 2 жыл бұрын
12:56 "This is just another reason not to use anything that isn't mpv or VLC" I'm pretty sure that Linus was actually using VLC, which I've honestly had issues with on Linux as well - the media player itself worked properly for the most part (albeit slower than mpv), but it seemed to add like 2GB to my X error log every time. (note that I'm on Nvidia and this was 2 years ago though)
@nicolast39
@nicolast39 2 жыл бұрын
From what I've found out about Luke's issue, of which I have had happen to me. I took a guess by looking at my system manager, and saw my ram, GPU, and swapfile usage going all over the place. I then tried removing the swapfile as a first step to fix this. That solution did end up fixing it for me. I think what causes this is that the Linux kernel is trying to free up resources so you can get better performance in the game, and so having a swapfile causes the kernel to try and continue to move the applications into swap and then immediately out of the swapfile, rinse and repeat.
@motoryzen
@motoryzen 2 жыл бұрын
That depends on a few things By default many debian/ubuntu based distros have " swappiness" set to 60..Meaning around 60% of the time..the system is trying to make use of swap space even if ram capacity and availability isn't low. This is really overkill in the wrong direction..geared towards servers. Thus one of the first things I instruct new users on how to do is to LOWER that number to around 10 or 15.
@Henrik_Holst
@Henrik_Holst 2 жыл бұрын
I would however assume that Luke have quite a lot of RAM on his personal machine
@anttilehtoranta3152
@anttilehtoranta3152 2 жыл бұрын
5:50 In Windows digitally signing is pretty easy with the Acrobat Reader application. Acrobat Reader allows for both "digitally sign" (w certificate, under Tools -> Certificates) and "fill & sign" i.e. just a picture of signature (w/o certificate, under Tools -> Fill & Sign).
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 2 жыл бұрын
A fair review of a fair review. See, we can all get along !!
@ceecrb1
@ceecrb1 2 жыл бұрын
Saw the title of this video, clicked the link and saw exactly what I expected to see!
@bobbybologna3029
@bobbybologna3029 2 жыл бұрын
I recently had a problem where certain windows games (my guess is anything DX9) would lag like on Luke's (and im on nvidia for now) but in my case it was because i run Awesome as my WM and for whatever reason aRGB just didnt work with nvidia's drivers, at least for awesome, so i added a flag for it to not use aRGB and my games stopped lagging. Im wondering if theres a similar issue, or its a compositor problem. Drawback is i cant use transparency on windows, which is fine for me since i dont use it anyway.
@LordSandwichII
@LordSandwichII 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say that this response is the fairest, and least salty review of the series I've seen. I like the way that you took a balanced approach, calling out things that you disagree with without being disrespectful, and conceding on stuff that you think is fair criticism. You have earned a subscriber!
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's just a good series tbh
@RasmusFrederiksen169
@RasmusFrederiksen169 2 жыл бұрын
So printing was one of the only things I was somewhat dreading when looking into switching my mom's old 32-bit pc (like actually 18 years old at this point, it's old enough to drive; old and weak, unable to keep up with windows and just normal usage), but turns out that bad printer+scanner we have works just fine; mostly anyway, the scanner does scan, but after finishing it reports "failed to initiate scan" (even though it actually did scan, and the scan can be saved and works fine)
@0hBee0ne
@0hBee0ne 2 жыл бұрын
Every KZfaqr has apparently had vastly different experiences with printers on Linux than I have. It's always just worked. And the one time it didn't, I just chose a similar model for the driver and it still just worked.
@Lampe2020
@Lampe2020 11 ай бұрын
Quick word to the printers: I have seen the full spectrum. In my school I set up a Linux computer as a workstation and it was a hassle to set the printer up (at one point it could print the Ubuntu test print but nothing else came through, although I got it working after about an hour of tinkering with a driver manually downloaded) and the printer we have at home was a breeze to set up. I just typed the WiFi password into my new computer and mere seconds later a notification popped up, saying "New printer detected: **printer name** " and it worked flawlessly. I also had some inbetween, which had the driver in Linux but had to be manually selected.
@TheDrsalvation
@TheDrsalvation Жыл бұрын
12:50 It may depend on the video player. VLC never works for me in Manjaro KDE, I can use VLC to play music, but it always closes automatically without error or warning whenever I try to play any video. I looked up what it could've been, but the recommended settings I was supposed to toggle aren't showing up. I just ended up switching to another media player.
@EpiX0R
@EpiX0R Ай бұрын
2 years later and we do have HDR on Linux! Yay! Happy HDR moment everybody!
@genericgamer1319
@genericgamer1319 2 жыл бұрын
in kde you can just drag a file somewhere & plasma will show you a menu to copy move or create a link
@mitcoes
@mitcoes 2 жыл бұрын
In Spain sign a PDF is done with certificates as Libre Office offers you to do.
@tamoghnapal6619
@tamoghnapal6619 2 жыл бұрын
I think he knows some parts of Linux really well due to his familiarity with servers and also the 6 Editors 1 CPU he did an year ago.. You should check out that series , it's pretty good...
@ceecrb1
@ceecrb1 2 жыл бұрын
3:30 Disagree. The large file showed up this bug/flaw, proving a point that these issues do exist and new users will misunderstand them and not know how to deal with them. Linux always has been designed to be used by linux users. If the community ever wants it to get above 1% usage, this needs to change.
@Aura_Mancer
@Aura_Mancer Жыл бұрын
Shift and Control is the same on Windows??
@whatusernameis5295
@whatusernameis5295 2 жыл бұрын
I just realized the ctr+shift and drag a highlighted file to make a link to it works on kali linux with the xfce DE so it must be more commonly implemented then i thought because i had never heard of that before.
@strule
@strule 2 жыл бұрын
works on manjaro kde as well
@whatusernameis5295
@whatusernameis5295 2 жыл бұрын
@@strule ok TIL
@thyscott6603
@thyscott6603 2 жыл бұрын
I can sign documents with Adobe fillnsign. And I do it like weekly. Linus didn't not understand it, he just was mislead because signing can be two different things as you explained.
@jemsterr
@jemsterr 2 жыл бұрын
That's the only way I have ever done a secure signature on any platform. (And usually, I use my phone with the touchscreen).
@chazsewell
@chazsewell 2 жыл бұрын
The weird window/screen stutter/locking issue is something I've experienced every time I use an NVIDIA GPU combined with Cinnamon and a Debian based distro, interestingly on Arch based distro with Cinnamon and the same hardware I've not had that issue. There is a way to fix it but updates break it and I honestly can't remember what the fix/issue is.
@vincet88
@vincet88 2 жыл бұрын
in italy, a digital signature of a pdf is what linus was doing, what luke had done is a graphometric signature.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard the term electronic signature, I hadn't heard graphometric signature before now
@matezsolya369
@matezsolya369 2 жыл бұрын
13:30 I have the same issue. With Ubuntu 20.04, nvidia quadro T600, it happens when the OBS is start streaming or recording (regarding the encoder settings) If you move any window wich is connected to OBS all of the resources dispatched from everything else, including the stream encoding. I have no idea, this is an OBS or driver bug. Because no other program does this, under the streaming. Example I can move my Firefox window without any trouble. In the video he also move OBS window (some audio settings related).
@WindosNZ
@WindosNZ 2 жыл бұрын
tbf, I don't think Linus _intended_ to cryptographically sign the PDF it's just the path his default PDF app pointed him at, and he didn't stop to think if he should follow it. Speculation ahead: it's possible he assumed that all digitized signatures use certificates and that Windows/Adobe generates the cert automatically and put this app asking for one down to "eh, it's just a Linux quirk."
@JonLikesStats
@JonLikesStats Жыл бұрын
I had a similar problem on the 4k where my monitor resolution was defaulting to a crazy high value on each of 3 screens. That was where my mind went on the 4k video challenge
@CandyCaneChris
@CandyCaneChris 2 жыл бұрын
I've never felt happier to be a Thunar supporter. It just does everything that Dolphin and Nemo seem to miss. Right click open folder as root, right click create symlink, show progress of compression/extraction.
@mizinoinovermyhead.7523
@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 2 жыл бұрын
I think the issue with the laggy and stuttery window drag performance is resource allocation. I think the driver just sucks at scheduling and with the game running and capture running it can't figure out how to schedule tasks for the GPU correctly, result is that when it tries to follow the window and redraw it over and over again it ends up "dropping frames" and it does it everywhere not just on the window. However since the priority of the game and video stream are higher they experience less...Maybe I'm kinda guessing.
@frostbound
@frostbound 2 жыл бұрын
Luke mentions in an episode of the WAN show that the screen lagging he is experiencing has been a known issue since 2013 or 15...so now he's thinking about distro-hopping if they care that little about issues
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Oh I feel like someone mentioned that clip I just didn't see it, a problem witht he FOSS world is a a lot of projects like to keep adding shiny new features without worrying about how stable the base is
@cheako91155
@cheako91155 2 жыл бұрын
14:06 I get this all the time around disk IO, specifically swap. Yes, I know more memory, but the entire system freezes on every disk access is just wrong. I've had this constantly from seemingly y2k till I switched from Gnome3 to LXDE.
@kjeldgaard0
@kjeldgaard0 2 жыл бұрын
Brodie, I wrote this in a comment to one of your earlier videos, but probably too late for you to see it. In the old days, it was well known by users of Unix systems that file operations are buffered by the kernel and you need to use the command `sync` to flush the buffers to the physical devices. Because this could sometimes take a moment, the idiom became to run the command twice, like this: "sync; sync", but the second one isn't actually needed (the first one is slow, the next one fast, because buffers are now flushed). So on Linux, issue the command "sync" to flush files to the thumbdrive.
@1Vaudevillian1
@1Vaudevillian1 2 жыл бұрын
In canada, for a lot of purposes, you have to digitally sign the way linus was doing it.
@Fuzzi999
@Fuzzi999 2 жыл бұрын
huh shift+ctl while dragging also works in plasma and the video player Linus was using is VLC
@Dylan-zm3ht
@Dylan-zm3ht 2 жыл бұрын
Sort of funny. My windows machine I use for work went to a blank screen after the video error linus had and I thought you had a little fun with the editing. Then my audio failed haha. Need to reboot and update for realtek updates lol
@larsradtke4097
@larsradtke4097 2 жыл бұрын
Printer: get a brother HP? HPlip mandatory, it installs proprietary Firmware for GDI printer, then they just work. If PCL usually no issue. KDE Dolphin: go to fonts:/ then copy font over. Shift control, it is always like that in Windows since Win95! The studdering, might be an issue if missing swap size. If the RAM runs full this happens.
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
And the right model of Brother is probably one of the lowest cost to print per page in the business. I think HPs use gold and kryptonite in their toner/ink.
@larsradtke4097
@larsradtke4097 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomclark1213 some say HP uses unobtainium ....
@ShiroKage009
@ShiroKage009 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that Linus meant that Linux should copy Windows. It's to tell people that "coming from a windows background" is the almost the default at this point and accommodations have to be made. I think he would agree with you that the distros should be more intuitive in their own way (the macOS is a great example).
@moister3727
@moister3727 2 жыл бұрын
The same deal goes from Android to iOS
@prozacgodretro
@prozacgodretro 2 жыл бұрын
When Luke was moving the windows around it made me think he was using llvm pipe for the actual desktop environment?
@SteltekOne
@SteltekOne 2 жыл бұрын
Get a Brother printer. They just work! (Generally laser printers tend to be better as you can fall back to generic PostScript drivers.) Printers that are horrible as they use proprietary blobs: Inkjets, particularly by HP and Epson.
@paulvorderegger1522
@paulvorderegger1522 2 жыл бұрын
I have that VLC problem too on Manjaro KDE. Its not just 4K videos but seemingly random videos that work and dont.
@stephanweinberger
@stephanweinberger 2 жыл бұрын
@12:00 AFAIK that's exactly the same keyboard shortcut that Windows has been using since at least Win2k: Ctrl+drag -> copy, Shift+drag -> move, Ctrl+Shift+Drag -> link
@NicosLeben
@NicosLeben 2 жыл бұрын
13:58 Today I tested a small OpenGL shader program which renders the Mandelbrot set. And if I set the number of iterations quite high such that the rendering of every frame drops to 1 FPS my whole desktop also has just that 1 FPS although that shader program runs in windowed mode. I am using Ubuntu Gnome with proprietary Nvidia drivers. Very annoying...
@jyvben1520
@jyvben1520 2 жыл бұрын
did you look at the cpu using the system monitor, expect it to be very high or even 100%, the program might be small but not the effect it has on your system
@NicosLeben
@NicosLeben 2 жыл бұрын
​@@jyvben1520 The program uses shaders. The CPU usage is 1%, sometimes 2% and it could be 1600% with all cores combined. ;-) Still, everything else just stutters. I can see that if I watch a youtube video on one screen and I move windows on the other screen. The youtube video drops frames. Nothing what should happen on a Ryzen 7 5800X with a Quadro P2200. ;-)
@Mtaalas
@Mtaalas 2 жыл бұрын
@02:23 so why isn't it being flushed from the buffer so it's completely on the disk without you as a user having to do stuff like refreshing file manager? why isn't there a notification about this fact "sorry, the file isn't ready, just a moment..." etc? This isn't user error, it's UX error...
@zlywilk7287
@zlywilk7287 2 жыл бұрын
Black screen when you try open video is some time issue on OLED panels
@Hezeri
@Hezeri 2 жыл бұрын
Just my 5 cents here regarding the accommodation of Windows users. Comparing it to Mac having it's own way, or Android and iOS having their own way, is still slightly different case. The basic idea is, that Linus and Luke want more users to switch to Linux, so that it gains popularity. And as such, gains higher priority in software development. And then gets into this positive feedback loop, where it just grows more, gets more software and again more users. Yeah, there's a wall at some point, when the positive feedback loop becomes detrimental to the platform, but that is not the current issue. Lot of us are tired of Microsoft doing Microsoft things to the platform, and simply abusing their dominance. We'd like a better alternative. But the problem is that users need to "choose" to make the switch. And when there is a choice involved, people will choose the easier route (in general). With Mac, Android or iOS, you are forced to switch and learn that platform. Unless you want to go back to your old device, or get a different device. So, if it's only a UX issue on the UI side, I think there should be some development focus on having at least some distros and software behave in that manner by default. But if it requires changing a core functionality of Linux, then it should not be changed to work in Windows style (ie. windows registry). And I think there are / have been distros trying to do this, but the Linux community frowns upon it, when just mentioning Microsoft or Windows is almost a taboo. If the community doesn't support it, the whole thing dies off and we come back to square one.
@Sebanisu
@Sebanisu 2 жыл бұрын
I think the window lagging is from g-sync. When I've had a low fps game on one screen. It would effect refresh rate of other applications on Windows. Maybe the desktop environment is locking to the current frame rate?
@annieworroll4373
@annieworroll4373 Жыл бұрын
REgarding printing, I've had great luck with the two Canon lasers I've owned over the past 12ish years. The scanner in my mf3010 even works painlessly despite thd linux driver saying "print only"
@snowballak
@snowballak 2 жыл бұрын
I think they addressed the moving window in an earlier video or maybe on the wan show, but it is a problem with Linux Mint Cinnamon. he switched distros or DE after this issue. I hope they go into which distro he switched to.
@Aremisalive
@Aremisalive 2 жыл бұрын
I have had similar performance issues as Luke using Cinnamon with Nvidia. Switching to KDE on Linux Mint fixed it.
@axalius572
@axalius572 2 жыл бұрын
13:50 I am also experiencing this on NVIDIA hardware. Sometimes even my audio gets distorted by this.
@tomclark1213
@tomclark1213 2 жыл бұрын
Reread through the comments section here, I've seen a couple of potential solutions offered by others already.
@ransan
@ransan 2 жыл бұрын
For the record, my Nemo context menu has a "Make Link" action, but I'm pretty sure I toggled something to make that visible.
@ex0stasis72
@ex0stasis72 2 жыл бұрын
My experience trying to print on Windows, Mac, and Linux is that Linux and Max work flawlessly every time, and Windows will fail to print about 50% of the time with the same printer.
@SolidSt8Dj
@SolidSt8Dj 2 жыл бұрын
I have yet to try printing on macOS, but my android phone works 95% of the time and windows, as you mentioned, is a coin-flip.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 2 жыл бұрын
Even both Android and Ios/IpadOs does a much better job. Same with ChromeOS.
@ex0stasis72
@ex0stasis72 2 жыл бұрын
Oh I forgot how easy it was to print from Android and iOS as well.
@bleack8701
@bleack8701 2 жыл бұрын
It's so weird hearing people have problems with printers when I've never had a problem with printing unless I was out of ink or something
@thetechguychannel
@thetechguychannel 2 жыл бұрын
>Any sensible compressor is going to make the file a hidden file until it's done. Technically, what Windows does is a bit better, because you can still encounter Linus' confusion if you have "See hidden files" enabled in your file manager. WinRAR and Windows' own compression utility creates a temporary directory in an obscure folder in one of the partitions where it extracts the files then moves them over when done. I was thinking of doing a merge request (don't have a lot of time to maintain a fork, so hoping that the devs let me put that in) for Ark that would do this in the ~/.cache folder.
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
Linux has a /tmp directory for exactly that but a hidden file is at least a step
@thetechguychannel
@thetechguychannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson Roger that. I think that would be better, but if I recall, /var/tmp needs sudo whereas /home/$USER/.cache does not, correct?
@herewestand
@herewestand 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you Brodie on the concept of making something intuitive. I worked as a human centered design consultant + Front End SWE. We kept track of how many key strokes users make in applications, how many screens they had to visit before getting to their goal, how many times they had to google something, how much time they are spending on each screen and why. etc. It takes like one of these areas to go wrong to literally lose a customer to a competitor. You hit it right on the nose with the intuitive comparison of macOS, android, or ios. also imo LOL: Terminal is not simplicity, its efficiency, it takes work to be well versed in it, to get that efficiency. It took me several years of managing virtual machines, and bringing up Kubernetes clusters to be well versed in Terminal. (i changed careers at some point in my life lol )
@waldolemmer
@waldolemmer 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Brody, I'm curious, why do you use Arch and not Gentoo?
@BrodieRobertson
@BrodieRobertson 2 жыл бұрын
AUR
@waldolemmer
@waldolemmer 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson Good point, although gentoo has a lot of custom repositories
@CyFr
@CyFr 2 жыл бұрын
File compression should, similarly like windows, bring up a progress bar that can be dismissed to the bottom of the screen. For new users, it's a nice to have notification. For power users, you're probably more likely to want it to be dismissed to the notification area. So a simple "don't show this again" should suffice.
@hojjat5000
@hojjat5000 2 жыл бұрын
Printers in Linux use CUPS which is something that I think Apple was funding. It's pretty seamless for wireless printing. I have had issues if I connect the printer directly. Also scanning is kinda weird. But printing wirelessly has always been fine (printing on both sides and more specific kinda printing might not work though) I'm not that surprised that Linus didn't know random extensions means it's temporary (that's how a lot of software do it, like for example your browser trying to download something, or your torrent client). I'm not surprised, because I saw him try to right-click and save a webpage. So, nothing shocks me anymore.
@yaltschuler
@yaltschuler 2 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to get my grandfather's computer to connect to his printer directly from past 2 weeks. Are you saying that it's way easier to connect it wirelessly through CUPS?
@hojjat5000
@hojjat5000 2 жыл бұрын
@@yaltschuler In my experience, with a few printers over the years, yes. If your printer is connected to the same wifi that your computer is connected to, Linux will automatically find it and add it to the list (of course you can search and add it manually too). It's pretty fast and pretty reliable. Luke didn't need to do anything and it was available to him automatically, Linus decided to add it manually and chose the printer from a list to get the drivers. Either way, in my experience wireless is easier.
@Mental_Patient
@Mental_Patient 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but my Brother printer seems to work with wireless better than usb. No idea why.
@gustavrsh
@gustavrsh 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason my wireless Samsung (HP) printer doesn't work with CUPS at all, it says "filter failed", some issue with ghostscript... I searched for a solution for days and couldn't make it work
@hojjat5000
@hojjat5000 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mental_Patient My hp also works better with wireless than wired. The Brother printer that I use at work, works fine wired.
@tyisafk
@tyisafk 2 жыл бұрын
For the printer thing, I have a Canon Pixma wifi printer and it works right out of the box for both Android and Linux, and I only found that out because for some reason, Windows refused to work with it, and there are multiple Windows PCs in the house I live in. I didn't even have to install drivers on Linux/Android. Both simply saw the printer and just did what it was supposed to do.
@wachsmalstift
@wachsmalstift Жыл бұрын
I recently was downloading a zip file from a pixiv fanbox and I was extremely surprised that the photoshop file had a logo in the file manager, and then even opened in gimp and was displayed properly. Another time after installing ubuntu for my grandma I test printed a document and without setting up anything. It detected the printer from 50 metres away (in another building), over bluetooth and perfectly printed. That kinda scared me.
@xan1242
@xan1242 2 жыл бұрын
13:50 I can confirm this happening too on my RTX 3070 and KDE. It's some issue with the compositor, I couldn't fully figure out what exactly (VSync maybe) but what I did observe is the following: If you switch the rendering of the game to another GPU (in my case an RX560) and display it on the NVIDIA the lags go away. Or if you switch the display output to another GPU (but leave compositor and the games to render on the NVIDIA), the lags also go away. Secondly, I can confirm that these issues also go away if you use Wayland, so in the end it'll be fixed by Wayland due to different window rendering methods I guess.... As to why it happens exactly I have no idea.
@ItsMaddieNow
@ItsMaddieNow 2 жыл бұрын
Well setting up kvm in linux is similar to setting up other virtual machine solutions in windows from what I've experienced.
@BFunk590
@BFunk590 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if someone has commented already on the problem with Luke's system lagging when moving the window, but it could be an issue with how Nvidia handles changing between 2D content mode for the desktop, and 3D content mode for the game. I've run into a problem on Windows where having my wallpaper set to change at short intervals causes serious system lag when it changes while playing a game because of this changeover.
@kolegakolegi
@kolegakolegi 2 жыл бұрын
I am using 'brother' printer. Has Linux drivers. When I was buying the printer I made sure the producer had Linux drivers beforehand. It has some quirks, but overall it works.
@LautaroQ2812
@LautaroQ2812 2 жыл бұрын
I've been loving the challenge and all the reactions. I am both learning and noticing new things with each. For example, now. Let's go: - Linus doesn't know about apt on Manjaro but sets up a KVM. Also Linus, who is the master of hotkeys and shortcuts doesn't know you can refresh with... F5?. I've always used F5, I swear lol. I don't understand why you'd look for "refresh" in a contextual menu BEING LINUS. Being your mom or whatever it makes total sense; Kinda awesome your mom would know about refreshing. That said, the fact that it _isn't_ in the context menu is kind of a problem and dumb decision. Also, that said, I've been copying from SSD to HDD folders with 4.5Gbs of files (avg) and they're done in like... 2 minutes. And they would be much faster I think, if I had a better PC and more importantly, super fast SSDs like Linus probably does. As for the printers, they both say and show what printers they have so I mean, go watch the video again? Lol Linus talking about file extensions in previous videos and literally going "delete dis, .zip is done!" in this one was hilarious to me. I also don't understand why that happened to Linus. As far as I'm aware, Manjaro ships with VLC. So that should've worked without problems. You recommend VLC, funnily enough Chris Titus recommends Celluloid because VLC works badly for him (and he shows it on the video). I tried both, they're ok. I tried Haruna too. And yes, you can pretty much "configure" and "show alternatives" for almost everything on KDE. That's why I like it, and you can configure the show desktop button to minimize everything. The "On the bottom" text is... a dumb complain. That's just him not liking it, is not an issue. I moved from Manjaro yesterday because I didn't want to deal with "arch stuff", installed Zorin because it looked like it would do the job but then I realized I hate gnome and nautilus. So I just deleted again and installed KDE Neon lol. Still need to finish configuring it, but so far so good. One of the biggest issues Manjaro has imo, even though it's very user friendly, is that Arch needs its own packages and then you have flats and snaps as well (and aur!). Is too much to keep track of if you run into problems later. I like Dolphin a lot, though I do agree that there should be an option to get admin privileges, at least with a warning screen of "hey you gon break stuff if u done goof!".
@chibicitiberiu
@chibicitiberiu 2 жыл бұрын
In the first challenge (cutting and pasting) I think he just didn't notice the progress indicator on the bottom right. He does the same mistake again later in the video with zipping some files. You can see that the size of the file is still growing. KDE's progress indicators are just badly designed.
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