45 years with a bow in my hand. Do what works for you and just have fun with it. Nice video as always.

I like a little canting with instinctive, works well for me

Howard Hill used the split-vision method that you mentioned, and also tilted the bow 45 deg. with a tilted head to reduce the angle between the eye line and the arrow line to make the gap distance shorter on the target.

First off, I appreciate how much work you did to make this video! Thanks. As for why your heavy cant produced more arrows thrown to the left, it was probably your string grip. When you are used to holding a bow vertical, your wrist gets used to a certain position... when you cant the bow, usually your wrist stays too upright for the new position. This causes a pull off of the string that will throw your arrows left. But there is no question more extreme angles will require a shooting style change! You certainly would not want to switch between them. Good video!

I shoot ASL with a small sight window so I cant my bow, I’m slowing my shot with lots of practice. With that said, I confess I’m not a target shooter, I practice because I hunt. When I do go to a range I hear people talking to each other; old school, old school....... I’m not young and I love what I do so 😝 this is why I don’t go to the range anymore. I shoot sitting, kneeling and on a stool most of the time cause that is how I hunt. Unless grouse hunting and that is when I snap shoot. Then I spend the rest of the year slowing my shot down. You are right about the back tension. This is why follow through in the release is so important and practice is so important. It’s really easy to have a premature release. Thank you very much for doing this video it really helped me to shut my ears even more to the form police. I like your videos. Oh! Thank you for the demo on the 40-40-20 finger tension. That helped me a lot.

I found myself shooting consistently a little left and a little high of the bull when shooting vertical (I'm shooting right handed). My coach had me cant a little which moved the arrow right about an inch (would be opposite for a lefty). He pointed out that I (speaking only of me personally) now have better arrow alignment with my eye. He also said that there is no reason that I couldn't have just moved my point of aim to do the same thing, however he said some people adjust better one way than another. I think this goes along with the results of your video about gap shooting and arrow alignment. Because my longbow is not cut past center there is always a slight pointing to the left of the arrow past the riser which you normally account for when instinctive shooting. For me, canting the bow now has that error vertically aligned, and for me I can adjust better that way. He also told me that I overthink things and should sometimes just sit down and have a beer. I agree that a strong cant just won't let you get proper back tension. Love your videos.

That was a really cool idea. Thanks for the testing.

Thanks for this video. I didn't see any statistics. To avoid confounding the results, you might mix up the 3 cant levels instead of shooting all straight, then slight, then heavy cant.

I enjoy your channel. I normally shoot with a canted bow. But it doesn’t make any difference between vertical and about 35 degrees or so in either aiming or back tension. When you were shooting you didn’t can’t your head with your bow which normally will mean that you have to adjust your aim for every ten degrees of cant or so. Try holding your bow vertical with an arrow held at full draw, but not on the string. Then point the arrow at something and cant the bow but not your head. As a left handed shooter you will now be pointing to the left. Then repeat the exercise but this time bend at the waist to make the bow cant while at full draw. You should find that the point does not move off your target nor is it any harder to get your back tension in. So what you are doing is shooting with a vertical bow while bent over. I use a four point anchor system as taught by Bob Wesley who learned it from Howard Hill. The fourth anchor will not allow you to cant the bow more than your head. Keep up the good work. I think you help a lot of archers and I know you have helped me.

Hey Greg, I liked the part where you were shooting through the slats. That would be a fantastic training tool , as it forces you to focus on only the center. Great for building confidence as well. The center is the center. When I started shooting you would tell me to ignore the tree ( that was close to my line)...and I would promptly hit the tree. Took a bit of your coaching to get my focus on the center of the kill zone only.

Hi Greg, it looked to me that sometimes your vertical and slight slant were about the same shot. I mean that some times your vertical was slanted slightly 17:01, just an observation. I like that shooting exercise.

I noticed that your bow was canted but you didn't change your body or your head position. People that shoot with a heavy cant also alter their body position and head. Hunters often like the cant as it allows them to shoot game with their butt flat on the ground with their back against a tree. I like the fact that you did this video as it is often discussed. I shoot a compound as well as a recurve and found that using a cant really opened the window and allowed me to better visualize my arrow and the target with both eyes open. When I improved the angle of my head and body I found I actually had the same alignment as I do when shooting my shotgun for grouse. 3 finger under and anchor to my cheekbone as I do my shotgun really improved my shooting. I am hooked now! I just love shooting my trad bow. Thanks for the videos!

Another great informative video. Nice shooting by the way. Like the target narrows device as well.

Hey Greg, great video. The heavy can't would come in handy hunting on the ground and you have to kneel and shoot under an obstacle. Like your hoodie the saying on the back who does that pertain too :-). Thank you. Alan

Nice video again Greg, I will add that canting the bow works best if you are shooting off the shelf. If you are shooting off an arrow rest aiming is not so accurate.

excellent experiment thank you for putting that question to rest. I would like to know how successfully a right handed bow can be shot left handed by putting the arrow on the shelf on the outside of a bow and canting the bow.

Excellent video, thanks very much

Hi, Greg! Nice video. The idea of testing is good, but you make one mistake, in my opinion. Canting the bow means that you have to cant yourself (your upper body), too. In other words, your spine has to be parallel with the bow. That's why the string touches your ribs and that's why you can't have a proper back tension. Correct that, and the test results will be different. Also, as someone has already pointed out, canting the bow does affect the arrow trajectory, but shooting of the shelf makes it almost insignificant, because the arrow is very close to the center of the bow. The further it is, the heavier canting the bow will affect the arrow trajectory. All the best, Greg! Keep up the good work!

Good video, it looks like the bottom line is still that the bow and arrow are accurate as the shooter. I suspect that if you practiced for a while with a heavy cant you will see an improved shot. Like you said, a definite maybe.

When I cant it shortens my draw length by an inch or two which reduces my arrow velocity. My longbows require a cant just to keep the arrow on the shelf for some reason buy my recurves not so much. It may be because my shelf rug is different. Not sure yet. If your arrow spine is not correct you will definitely see a big difference by how much you cant. A stiff arrow will move your POI left for a right hand shooter. Same with plucking the string.

This is interesting, because it seems to be the opposite with me….I tend to shoot a little better with a cant. But I don’t know. Maybe it’s just in my head.

Your just too good. Great videos

Thought it kinda came from like longbows and other trad bows without a cut out. Due to the wide arrow pass the arrow is off axis quite a lot and canting the bow brings the arrow to perpendicular center more.

I cant my bow sometimes but im a instinctive shooter using a Turkish horsemans bow!

It has to affect arrow flight and POI, at least when shooting off the shelf. You are resting the arrow vertically on the corner of the shelf. That should have an effect on archer's paradox unless you are shooting really stiff arrows in a centershot bow.

Canting is not supposed to be like that. You keep your frame vertical, so you have proper back tension, but you lean your chest down so your eye gets on top of the arrow. By the way Mr Greg you are very good shooter!!!

There was an interference with your string/sweater on the full cant that makes me think that clothing could have an effect. The loose sleeve on the tee shirt on the indoor shots seemed to "bounce" on the release. Nice video.

Great topic.

Hello Greg, do you mind telling us what bow you are shooting? I have a starter bow (Galaxy Blackridge Longbow) and will eventually upgrade to a better quality bow. The bow you are shooting sounds really quiet and looks like a really smooth draw.

3 under nock placement

Did I miss it, what is the distance your shooting looks like about 30 yards ????

I shoot with a can't .... can't hit the target.

I canter my recurve bow so the arrow stays on the handle being a beginner 😬

Nice experiment, but with all due respect, the heavy cant did not look heavy enough.(did not slant enough). Can you do the experiment again?

If your nock height or tune isn't perfect canting won't work.

When you shot inside, you did shoot vertical. When you shot outside, you shot with a slight cant...no decernable difference between your "vertical" shots and your slight cant. That may explain why you saw no difference. I don't see how rotating your forearm would have any effect on back tension. If you stand up and point, then pull your shoulder blades together, rotating your forearm does nothing. Canting will absolutely change the point of impact though. The higher above your hand the arrow is, the more it will change it and the amount of cant will matter. Since your anchor was constant, rotating the bow to the left, since you are a lefty, will naturally shift the point of the arrow slightly to the left while the nock stays in the same spot. If you shoot off the shelf, the difference will be less than shooting off the shelf, which is why Olympic archers and compound shooters want their bows perfectly vertical. Unless you are sitting on the ground or need to avoid limbs or a tree stand with one of your bow limbs, there is really not much reason to cant a recurve. The sight window is huge, and most are cut to center, so there is nothing to obstruct your view of the target. If you shoot a longbow, in addition to clearing obsticles with your limbs, you have either a much smaller sight window, perhaps even no sight window. ASL bows and self bows are also not cut anywhere near center, so canting the bow opens up the sight picture. Hunting situations often dictate how you hold the bow, so if you hunt with a traditional bow, it is wise to practice from as many different positions as possible. As always, your video is informative and thought provoking.

Do you have to take my off 5lbs. On the spine on a compound with different size limbs? Hoyt Rex has different size on top

Yea but your shooting off a shelf. Canting is for shooting off the hand. Archers paradox and all

the arrow tune has to be right... release must be smooth or else arrow slaps the riser deflecting the arrow..

Greg nice video. Is that the bow that you made?

You are torquing bow st heavy cant.

It has effect if you never shoot canted. If you always shoot canted you've adapted. The premise of this video is faulty.

where ya live I need lessons from you

I noticed on your bow you have the Airborne assemble are you in former airborne

Is this in the dark? 🤣

The question is: Does canting the bow affects your shot? Answer: No! Why? Because the bow is cut to the center!! If it was a (what is called) Medieval or primitive, then it will affect all day long :D