legitimately same I got pretty cracked at Mac in Ultimate even though he was pretty bad in the Newest Installment. So mad they nerfed him when stuff like Minecraft Steve Exists in Ultimate.

@@dr.dylansgame5583 It's less that they nerfed him, and more that while 4's gameplay was very grounded, high-end ultimate is all aboot air-combat, and he ain't no air-fighter.

Same! Hell Steve Fox is my favorite fighting game character of all of them

Same, brother

@@ATTBoxer13 Well your Correct on that but I remember they also changed his Moves from his Wii Counter Part. And it shows as if they kept his kit from back then it wouldn't be so bad. But his New Kit would even struggle grounded against quite a few characters. Don't remember what they changed. But I do remember it was a flat downgrade from his last kit.

I love that he goes back to being a gentleman once the car is returned. Such a great arc for a character. I think "gentleman whose feathers have been ruffled" is such an underutilised trope.

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I was considering including some footage of Vice too, but decided against it. But I think this close ranged oppressive pure-strike style is a ton of fun to play with. Although I lean much more to the outfighter style of play with Steve or Dudley.

Thats true but can also be untrue, plus in a lot of games theyre tied for fastest jab speed with a lot of other characters. So its not the sort of thing i really consider for these vids even if its a good observation

@@DarumaFGCgood because Ed’s jab is SF6 is dogshit so good call man you were right !

It's a good trope. Makes Johnny Cage and Jax feel more compelling as characters too. MK does a good job of fitting humans in the lore.

That's pretty much accurate. I think the sways and counters are necessary to fit the definition too. As well as relying almost purely on raw strike and not strike/throw high/low.

Wouldn't that also fit Leo as well? You have an auto block move a counter, a projectile that's only for approach and anti zoning and a playstyle that focuses on counter fishing and pressure. He also has a left right crossup but let's not mention that

@@mrblooper1994 if i had to categorize Leo, i would do it in two ways: 1) "All rounder" because he can play neutral fairly well on top of being a mixup machine. 2) "Stance" character who switches beetween a "Bully" in his normal mode and a "Mixup" character in his backturn mode. Of course Leo can capitalize in counter pocking and frame traps, but he doesn't seem to have special moves specifically design to do that like with Dudleys "ducking", Slayers "Dandy Step", etc. A move that keeps them slippery while they fish for counter pokes ir counter hits. At least that's my opinion, that's how i personally undestand it better.

@@mrblooper1994 some characters with far too many tools wind up kind of fitting into many archetypes. While stance characters are most often guilty of this, I actually think Leo isn't too dissimilar to a boss character in how he's designed. Boss characters since they're designed to eat credits, tend to abuse players that play using the games default mechanics. And be designed around making neutral really hard to play in any honest fashion. If you ask with almost any Leo tool, why does he have ____ you wind up at the answer to counter ____ and that's without even mentioning his crossup which of course punishes you immensely for Faultless defence. I think that also is a good way to look at why he still has his charge moves when he's in backturn, it's all to be a son of a ______, which was the whole philosophy behind boss characters for decades.

This also describes Nago a bit, you know, the samurai

Its a very interesting, fun, and surprisingly versatile way to play when you get a proper grips of it. I really respond to how adaptive these characters are to both matchups and playstyles. They feel really malleable compared to a lot of characters.

Steve seems more of a jack of all trades kind of fighter.

Steve is a counterpuncher. That B-1 is godly.

I wanted to be sure the video was accurate to him so the script was written with him in mind, but I couldn't fit him in in the editing room

​@Daruma tbf fair you did talk about focusing on the characters who are ACTUAL sport boxers. Also we got plenty of Dudley footage, and the two surprisingly have similar toolkits so he's still there in spirit lol

For me as much as I loved his playstyle on paper, I couldn't get past his terrible hair. But I think he's a great addition and I think Falke was too. She wound up being my main in SFV so I hope she returns for 6 down the road.

​@@DarumaFGC speaking about falke I wish there were more characters with button charge input for their special I also want a forward charge then back or up charge then down input I think part of the problem of motion input is that it became less of the interesting mechanic it use to be and more of a tradition the general don't know the alternative to And I think part of the reason for this is that fighting games still use the same motion inputs for the same stuff with little to no variation

@@sonofaglitch7549 there's a speculative video about the "zonker" (funny name I picked because of Cody's zonk punch) and how to respond to or read what's going on when an opponent potentially has move storage. There's actually a lot more hold and release inputs than you'd probably think. I'll do a video about it soon, maybe even this month, but move inputs really do have and need purposes, while you can have forward back charge inputs or up to down, and they have existed for certain games, since that's tied to walking forward or jumping, you limit yourself heavily to what you can design those moves with. I'll go into this soon, maybe within the month, but the "why" on motion inputs is a big deal, its core to a character to have them. It's why people were mortified about sf6 modern controls because 1 button specials are really hard to balance because you can't control what situations a player can use a move in. Like a full wheel input for a command grab can generally only be done while jumping or while dashing, otherwise you won't get the move out and your character will just jumping attack instead. Technically you can do standing 360s but only in the top 0.0001% of players. It means there's a controlled environment and Zangiefs grabs aren't in play 100% of the time. Same for a quarter circle forward, it's supposed to be input in a way that prevents you from blocking while it's input, so there's danger to even trying the move. We've seen a lot more experimentation with this stuff lately. Happy chaos & Goldlewis have really standout and unique control schemes and KOF has ALWAYS been extremely playful with them. Pretzel inputs, command grab rekkas, double half circles, almost anything you can think of.

I think standing mma is just muay thai.

Shootboxing is really nice concept. Pity it is so rare nowadays. Adding headbutts to the mix and you cannot add anything more.

Every game they're in the succeed in feeling really cool. Love em to bits.

Little Mac form Smash Bros

New generation? Isn't it just the worse version of 3rd strike?

@@sonofaglitch7549 it can still be my favorite 🤷🏻‍♂️ maybe because I played it a lot when it came out and I found a bunch of the new characters awesome.. maybe because it was so different from the other SF games and other Fighting games at the time .. the first time I personally learned the combos in SF like Dudley and Ken .. those are kind of the basis and what made SF4,SFV and now SF6 …didn’t say it was the best ever .. just saying my personal favorite..

Long as it's not 2nd impact the choice is cool in my book

I consider Unga Bunga/Gorilla to be much more of a playstyle than an Archetype, and you can see some more in depth reasoning as to why in my Brawler video, which is generally about the characters people refer to when they're calling someone a gorilla, but not always. I did say though eventually I will do videos on playstyles, seperate from archetypes and how to execute playstyles at a high level and influence your opponents way of thinking using them.

Gentleman fighters speak to me on a whole other level. I wonder if capcom think there's room for him and JP on the same roster, though in all honesty I fully expect that if Dudley returns, it will be as a genderbend.

​@@DarumaFGC A dudley protege who's more a street rat who's trying to be more elegant and gentlemanly in a comedic way that shows in their design, animation and moveset would be my dream dudley 2.0

@@battousaix4263 I would bet any money that if we get a Dudley protege, it's a genderbend of him. I don't know if/when we're gonna see SF3 characters in sf6, my assumption is that if my story theory video is even somewhat correct, the world of sf6 would open up in scope at the end of the story, and allow for existing street fighter characters (or crossover ones) to come into sf6 from outside.

@@DarumaFGC I hope we see Dudley in SF6

@@HBRO_04 Hard to say, he shows up in some of the art, so at least they've acknowledged him!

Almost exactly the idea behind them! I moreso wanted firm definitions for terms people throw around with no definition, or characters who get called stuff they quite clearly don't fit into. But I'm glad this is the kind of content you're looking for and I'm excited to make more.

​@@DarumaFGC but isn't "boxer" an incredibly vague idea within the video? You sorta just imply that the main condition for a character being a boxer is to, well, be a boxer in the universe, from that sorta extrapolating whatever characteristics the various characters who fit that definition have in common, while sorta excluding characters such as Slayer from the mix due to his aesthetics. I think that works well enough for a kind of "philosophy" - a vague concept that represents a very broad idea, but as a definition? I think it doesn't come close to the more traditional yet nuanced terms such as "trap character", "normals zoner" or "pixie". I guess this in particular seems to be very vague as to the character's gameplans and tools, whereas those other definitions have more clearly defined identities that are rooted in those things? Idk, I think it's a bit too dependent on a specific aesthetic to be a workable definition.

@@thosebloodybadgers8499 I did go into definitions beyond aesthetics, needing a sway and a counter and an overall mass lack in lows, these characters rely almost purely on strike and not strike/throw high/low. So it does cut out characters who might be adjacent but wind up very effectively different, like say Akatsuki from Blitzkampf/UNICLR. The idea they should most likely be a boxer in universe, was a statement of exclusion, but not the definition in itself. I think there's a much stronger argument for someone like Naoto, who I showed at that point in the video to be allowed to be called a boxer, than there is for slayer. And while it might effectively work on him, and not qualitatively be wrong. Realistically archetypes shouldn't bother people to hear a character be called. And I think there are more edge cases than just slayer where you could call someone boxer and turn a lot of heads and annoy people by doing it.

It's interesting how often you actually see this playstyle all over fighting games and just how seperate it feels from other ones.

Thanks a ton dude! Plenty more in future.

Won't be long! Just taking a weekend where I don't think too hard and just enjoy the sf6 beta.

Maybe you'd like my What is an Archetype video! In it I cover something a little similar to this What/how tool. I call it Facilitation. You look at a characters Visuals Range Speed Damage Move attributes And take all of that to get a complete picture of a character and see everything they do, where they win and where they lose. And use that to define a characters archetype. It's a similar idea, I just tried fleshing it out as much as I could.

@@DarumaFGC yeah watched it already. I really meant an even shorter version. Basicly your but you already did the thinking to put the information together in a super short sentence. Like you just want to get the character you are not yet interested in them for any reasons or anything. Like you invite a friend and he see a few cool character in this fighting game he never played. A'd you have to tell him what they do in a few words. He does not have to figure out how this character play based on the infos. Its just there plai. And simple. Just trying to put a bot of structure on what could easily spend a bit too much time. The only thing missing is the range wich I think is really important. But exactly like the main archetype I feel like it's always the first thing you tell someone.

Always welcome! Glad to help people out where I can.

I do my best to get around to as much as I can! I don't get notified of everything sadly or some things slip by, but I do what I can with my time.

@@DarumaFGC I really like the discussion we have in the comments

@@sonofaglitch7549 cheers! It gives me more insight to both what my fans want and where their level of understanding is too. Plus the support is always appreciated!

He's very fun and very fluid. It's a shame there aren't more Steve's in pro. Revenge for him being broken in older games I suppose.

In my experience, and from what I see throughout the community, boxers absolutely love feeling like they're putting in the work. It's why you might be less likely to play a character like Ken or Chun li who gets off many hits from a single button press.

I wanted to include Jax in this video too, but couldn't fit him anywhere.

I believe personally that some kind of major event in either SF6 or a second story added as dlc will open the world up to allow characters not involved in the plot directly to return. Really can't wait to see the 3S characters in RE engine

Just went by what I've heard, but wasn't really sure myself which was right

Happy to hear the target audience enjoys it!

Cheers mate! 🍻

I think thats the interesting part of these characters for me, how regardless of the style they emulate they still do follow what we think about when we think about boxing, and ground themselves in real world styles and techniques rather than just making up moves to excel in a fighting game

That is for sure a fun fact, Steve's surprisingly underrepresented competitively for how popular he is casually

The fantasy of it's really cool but it does suck that boxing is pretty low on the martial arts totem pole

​@@DarumaFGCit's definetly one of the most effective martial arts if you compare it to the others but it'll definetly lose against more well rounded pressure tested martial arts like mma or sambo.

Just happy people are enjoying the content!

I really like boxers :D This video articulates why really well.

Always good when I hear I've hit the nail on the head! Thanks bud

The vibes are immaculate

It's really hard for me to say what a strive slayer would look like, I think if he were to show up, he'd likely get a 70-80%~ do-over like ram did and likely shift archetype sideways. Too much that's important to him is either already accounted for, or would be way too good for strive, since there's no way that game could allow back dash invuln cancels, and Nagoryuki already has his exact dandy step into command throw or strike mix built into his kit. I'm not sure if it's copium but some members of the community seem dead set on the idea he's all-but confirmed though, and he is one of my favourite GG characters ever, so I'd happily accept his return even if he is vastly changed when he does.

@@DarumaFGC It's true that a lot of what he does would probably be too strong, he won't get in with BDC as it is that's for sure. However I don't really think that Slayer is as reliant on his command throw as Nagoriyuki is really. For Slayer, it's an option to keep your opponent aware of so that they can't just down back, whereas as Nagoriyuki, it's a common thing to constantly test your opponent with. I do agree he will be quite different from his XRD and AC+R counterpart though, I really want him in because I want to hit a CH Pilebunker and watch them fly through the corner instantly haha. Also no character really fits the same feeling as Slayer imo, even Nagoriyuki who has some of his tools explicitly.

I think that clearly Devs in general are a lot more happy to let wallbounces fly and even be required nowadays. Testament actually got a patch to their juggle limits causing some corner bnbs to require them now, and for Goldlewis it's all about ragdolling the opponent all day every day. You're even seeing a few characters with them in SF6 too. If I had to guess who would have this sort of stuff and represent that sort of momentum based slugger style, I'm thinking a somewhat redesigned jam would be pretty likely to feel much more like a heavy-hitter than she has in the past.

@@techykati think slayer movement should be reworked like his EX version in GGACR. I think he will also be nerfed to high lows and grabs only (which is crazy considering S3 nago already has all of this). Im cool if they keep his old movesets while nerfing the movements. He’s one of the few members of the old guilty gear that I want to see redesigned along with ABA and Order Sol

There are both characters who literally use cards, like Answer in Xrd, Gambit in MVC or Oswald in KOF. And characters who use these similar pseudo-random draw mechanics. Like Sins food buffs in strive for example. But this is maybe something for two separate Move type overviews and not full archetypes.

Fingers crossed Tekken 8, SF6 and maybe even MK1 deliver some cool ones this year!

While most ninja characters play very differently, I'm sure I'll do something about the aesthetic end of fighting game character design in future. I love most of those characters so they'll be on my radar in time.

Stance will probably be one of the huge ones down the road. Since there's so many types of stances, and say some characters are like, stance Zoners who have 2 different ways to zone, or others are a zoner in one stance, and a Rushdown in the other. Or lots of stuff like that. I'll put a lot of work into breaking them down properly.

I did try fit in examples of Dudley's air to ground being decent in the section about dealing with their offense once they have momentum. I probably should have mentioned something about their anti air in general being meter reliant cause it's true for a few of these characters but sometimes things slip through the cracks.

Glad you like the content!

I respect the hustle ✊

Its pretty strong, so maybe not exactly what youre thinking of, but Steve fox in tekken features a lot of these. He has options for both infighting and outfighting but in both styles which you gotta choose properly when to use he either has a good long range oppressive throw or non damaging clinching that sets up combos, while he has next to no low options and poor ways of punishing overheads or lows from the opponent. In 2d, these grabs can be overly oppressive, for example, while dudley in 3rd strike is a strong outfighter with good health demolishing bnbs and a strong good range overhead, his throws are mediocre, while makoto, a karate focused rushdown, or jun, a rushdown too, both have extremely strong combo starting grabs

@@DarumaFGC It's gonna be a weird way to say it, but those characters are too fast for this kind of thing. Classic 70's era Foreman did not throw flurries or use fancy head movement. What defined his style back then was being able to pick and choose his engagements using really classic boxing techniques to frame and stifle his opponent building momentum. He'd paw at your guard, push your shoulders to stop your jabs and crosses before they could even begin, shove you back if you wanted to get in, stiff arm you, pull at your arms to put you off balance, and he'd be more than happy to push your head right into the path of one of his meaty hooks and uppercuts that felled giants. Steve is mobile and dodges your offense while not letting you get a fist in edgewise. Foreman forces the issue of his killer hooks and shoves you around if you want to try to avoid having to respect them. Ever hear of the Modern Martial Artist? He's done really good breakdowns of classic boxers from the heyday of boxing. He's done some good videos on this. Foreman v. Frazier is a great showcase of the style, Foreman's use of leverage blocks to just keep Frazier from throwing his punches and to spin him around the ring is the endgoal, letting Foreman just read him all day long. In more FGC terms... instead of a character who has a strong high-low mixup game, this is one who has a punch-throw mixup game with a dash of counter hit/parry game. Guard pawing throws are a thing, Fei Long and Yun's side switch throws that otherwise do no damage come to mind, and the ability to have an actual combo with a throw in it as opposed to a tick throw that forces oki seems like an interesting form of mixup pressure. The gameplan is more or less that of the Bully. Foreman gets to your midrange, he's going to start throwing power shots, and if you try to get away from that, the Bully says no. You will deal with killer hooks, you will deal with that reaching jab with really good frame data, you will have your guard pawed at, and the only way that's gonna stop is if you can deal with his bully options. Steve keeps his head away from you and wears you down with quick shots. Foreman keeps your head right where he wants it and forces you to eat a cinderblock if you screw up. With that said, his weakness is the honesty. He has a game plan. You know what it is. It's all a matter of catching it and countering, ironically literally by trying to grab the frame traps and stiff arms away by countering those throws. He won't throw true lows, though he can and will grab you and stand you back up if you try being cheeky. He doesn't have a fireball. He doesn't have anything too wild. You can fireball spam him. Rush ins aren't impossible. You might need to play a perfect game to get in, but Foreman's got to play a perfect game to keep you where he wants you too. Thus the mind games. I might be a bit aimless, but such is the nature of trying to translate an IRL fighter to a vidya game. I'm a fan of the classics, and ultra-fundamental boxing that just quashes offense with aggressive defenses just isn't quite something I think I've seen despite my years playing fighting games.

I would have to look up this character specifically cuz im not really versed in fantasy strike at all, but i have similar archetypes in mind to cover soon-ish. Cant guarantee how soon but footsies characters are on the way down the road. As for older games theres a few id love to pick apart but unfortunately while my channels so small, it just kinda kills my growth on the algorithm when i make a video from passion rather than for growth. So while i still make passion-lead videos, theyre mostly not on fighting games so i get a bit of a break from starin at em all day

@DarumaFGC Makes sense! De Grey is inspired from Slayer (pull back, then follow up with safe punch, heavy punch, or dragon punch, or nothing) follow up. Can cancel normals into an attack grab projectile that beats most other projectiles (Ghost puppet grabs). I don't know what I would call Slayer archetype wise but frame-trap is probably a decent one? Frametrap / counter-hit fishing?

@@quantumpotatoI think overall I put slayer in brawler, he has an easy time sticking to the opponent and closing distance too, but in reality once hes on you hes a simple strike throw character. Obviously his dash-cancel invulnerability just kinda makes him ridiculous but no other character I can think of does that, so I'm fine with not giving him a slayer-specific archetype haha

​@@DarumaFGC makes sense! The idea of brawler fits with "looking for a counter hit" for me, conceptually (mappa punch CH GG). Slayer's invlun dash is wacky, he is a weird character; I forget which FGKZfaqr pointed out that Slayer's lack of chain cancels thematically fit with him "holding back".

Parry characters is coming soon! It's likely charge characters will be a little after, look forward to it!

It's a really unique situation. There is a possibility characters with guns will come down the line, reload/aiming mechanics or the unique brand of instantly fullscreen bullet projectiles are in all sorts of games and are pretty interesting. But they're so niche that it'll be a while before I get to them. A lot more important stuff to cover first.

@@DarumaFGC do you consider a character with strong moves limited by a unique resource an archetype?

Kinda yes, kinda no. There are ways to do this with every archetype. You can have Zoners with resource management, brawlers, shotos, Rushdown, etc. It's been done for most archetypes you could think of. It's moreso about facilitation, like I go over in my what is an archetype video. Some characters do literally nothing but manage a resource, like happy chaos in strive spends all his time making sure he has bullets and concentration, if he doesn't have them he tries to build them back. Or nagoryuki has to either up his defence or up his offence if his blood meter gets too high. If he doesn't land a blood grab or get a lot of sword normals to connect, he puts himself in danger. Meanwhile other resources can be managed a lot more off handedly, and are either a bonus or almost always in play. And act as a limiter on a strong toolkit, rather than a focal point of their tools. I'd maybe do videos about types of resources. Ammo, gauges, one-time use, etc. But those are a ways away and are really big projects since even with something like ammo, there's so many different ways to do that in every game.

@@DarumaFGC great answer, I just wonder where does someone become a focal point and the main playstyle and when the move is just a bonus Is a puppet character an archetype? Puppet characters can vary in win condition but what set them apart is much more defined than a rushdown Is a stance character an archetype? Mastering the stances is the focal point of most characters like that, but every stance belongs to an already defined archetype

@@sonofaglitch7549 puppet characters absolutely are an archetype. They do a lot of funky setplay stuff but are really really weak without their puppet in play. Similarly there definitely is stance characters. Granted they're rarer now and they're moving in a different direction to where they used to be. Now stance characters either just have a couple moves per stance, or they have 2 archetypes they switch between. When it used to be common for characters to have anywhere between 3-5 stances and often they'd be the same archetype.

Thanks bud 🍻

It is possible that if you like that free offense feeling slayer provides but not actually the boxing fantasy part, you're either into brawlers, who use auto-movement within their movelist to keep an offense up automatically, or characters with a ton of armor. With boxers you really have to do that offense yourself and dedicate to risks whereas there's a lot of other characters who get to do pressure while being really safe. It might just be the case you prefer the movelist handling some degree of it automatically rather than coming up with that offense yourself.

@@DarumaFGC Can't say Slayer was particularly difficult to control, so you probably right - I'm extremely lazy player, and fall for his simplicity and visual style :D Speaking of brawlers, I also enjoy Sol very much, but he was to over the top with his moveset to bring same feeling, therefore I try to find another "barehanded" character who act like Slayer in other games, but failed so far.

@@oldensad5541 I think you should give nagoryuki a shot, even though he has big normals they're just keepaway options, his preferred range is still in your face and his spin and projectile get him there immediately for 0 effort. At least as far as GGST goes. I'm with you though that we need more bare Knuckle fighters! It's too cool to skip out on!

@@DarumaFGC thanks for advice! :)

No sweat! Just hope it helps!

Hey, all the fusions are featured to some degree on my video on the Brawler archetype, it's something people threw around a lot but there wasn't a strict definition, so I came up with my own

It takes a long time to dredge up footage for these videos since I need to find specific rounds and matchups where a move or characters played in a certain way for examples sake, to show off what I'm talking about with a characters strengths/weaknesses. Smug probably would have wormed in if the video was longer, but I also had to cut some stuff with Jax from MK from the vid, so smug footage just never made it in.

There's a lot of great outfighters in boxing, who taunt and drain their opponent before going for deadly body shots when they're exhausted. It's a very common style in the sport.

He pops up multiple times in art in the game! I think he might even be living in metro city, but could be wrong.

I'll do something like that as soon as I can for the game since people are interested in seeing it

Dudley really is the peak as far as 2D goes, really hope he comes back for sf6 but I'm honestly expecting a genderbend

Infinite azures theme from Tekken 7, I think it's called moonlighters 1st

I'd love if there were more of these guys in fighting games. It's a bit low on priority because of how rare they are. But I will be covering Honda in SF6, so you'll at least see something about him soon.

If I could record footage of every game I would, but believe me these guys were in mind when I wrote the script too.

I got my fingers crossed too bro🤞

Saw this just now, how's Ed sufficing? He's like a weird mix of every type of boxer so I think he's pretty cool. You playing him or someone else?

RIP little Mac gone but not forgotten

Hey he pops up in artwork multiple times throughout the game, its seemingly implied he might even work in metro city, so i think of any of the sf3 cast, hes probably most likely to return

@@DarumaFGC ill look at the picture everyday and send out vibes of hope

He was my main in smash 4, fun how agile his style is

@@DarumaFGC same lol and his KO punch was so beefy felt like I was hitting them to the moon with it

Kinda but you have to remember how much partying affects the strength of both tools. Empty jump parry is super important. And vice versa, it's not too hard to parry jump ins either.

Thank you! 🍻

Cheers! 🍻

A few people have brought it up, but I can see what gets recommended to people and where from, it's only really people who watch both things anyway that see my vids on Yu-Gi-Oh vids recommendations

Moonlighters 1st from Tekken 7, the infinite azure stage theme

Shotos are Ryu and Ken. We mostly refer to the whole umbrella of Shotos, Terry, and Kazuya as Fighting Game Characters (FGCs). Ryu and Ken go about neutral very differently than the other two. So specifying the difference using Shotos or FGCs is needed sometimes people even go further to say Traditional Fighting Game Characters

@@playme676 yeah I always said traditional fg cjaracters. But fgc's is way faster. But yeah, archetypes in smash is really wierd. Like weirder than even tekken in my opinion.

@@captainphoton1693 It's only weird because both communities don't know what the archetypes are. Spacies was just a term for Falco and Fox because it's quicker than saying their name. It was used to describe tech vs them because they have the same weight and fall speed. Fox has always been a rushdown character. Ultimate is a bunch of kids that don't know anything and when they attempted to use shoto as a broad term they refused criticism until every major content creator told them they where stupid.

I had fun with him with what little I played of smash 4

Theyre too fun

If I put in pro Dudley SFIV footage, he would have been in the video, but I wanted some sf3 representation for Dudley.

@@DarumaFGC dudley is a out boxer balrog is a slugger and Ed I guess a boxer puncher

He only has 3 low attacks, his crouched kick inputs, he doesn't get lows from literally anything else

@@DarumaFGC legit every sf character does not a crouching punch(exclude elaina) that is a low i legit cant think of anything like that

​@@DarumaFGChe legit has high low mixups something you said they dont have and said mixups build some of the most dizzy in the game

I love how different every kof manages to be. I have some content including kof '01 on the way real soon. About Striker characters.

@@DarumaFGC i cant wait, will be sure to watch!

Mfw the boxer purposefully stomps on my foot 😱

Smugs always entertaining to watch. Never seems to have an off-day

The people's champion, if he doesn't return in sf6 or he returns as a genderbend, I will riot.

@@DarumaFGC awesome idea, he needs a comeback with enough differentiation from Luke. When I first touched fighting games, i instantly gravitated to Dudley in SF4 before i knew anything about how to play. I really want to revisit him so bad in the new games in some form, now that I learned how to do motion inputs xD.

Unfortunately she didn't make the cut, since I had a lot of super specific examples to mention

Sadly it took a lot of time to include all the recorded and edited footage of the characters that are in the video as is, and a few characters like Jax from MK got cut from the video. That on top of there being no easy way for me to record smash ultimate, meant it hit the cutting room floor

@@DarumaFGC Fair enough, but Mac is a pretty demonstrative extreme being the lightest and fastest example of a boxer while still feeling like one.

Feel free, archetypes work a little differently in smash because the expectations of what a character must be able to do are very different. But I have no prejudice against smash players, I just don't know about it intricately enough to say much beyond a surface level. I've only ever played it casually.

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Trap characters released today, and we'll have other setplay archetypes on the way too

His grabs are kind of made bad by right of the way he plays, they don't have anything wrong with them in a vacuum, but with the specific way Tekken plays at a high level and the constant flicker canceling you need to do as Steve to make up good distance, getting in and using his normal grabs is a nightmare and trying to occupy that space will normally just blow you up. Hence why you typically only see the turtle up grab, or the restand.

@@DarumaFGC well to be fair, if were talking T7 steve specifically, all grabs got nerfed in 7, and yeah steve has way better things to do then use throws that have almost no big properties Now i havent warched that much steve gameplay, but his players sometimes remind of marduk players, only using ff 1+2 throw even tho other ones exist, for different reasons but i still think its wack to watch

@@HELLRAISER02 it's often said Tekken is 2 different games at once, there's a huge seperation between a regular player just picking up the game and a higher tier player who is KBD-ing all over the place. The kind of overwhelming offence Steve allows at a low skill level of play is great fun to play and watch happen with friends, but sadly its forced to become a way more defensive and almost runaway style in competitive settings. If you want characters who play like low-skill Steve in competition though, I think Nina and Anna are super interesting to watch and offer that kind of dancing all over your opponent and blowing their defence to pieces style that Steve offers to players at the lower tier of play. Nina in particular has to really hard dedicate to her side rotations but gets huge payoffs for doing so.

@@DarumaFGC i never watched the assassin sisters, ive seen steve tho, tekkens just fun to watch But my comments were mainly half serious/jokey, mainly cuz i often notice what kinds of throws n tools peeps use (cuz after jabs, i always be checking throws) But yeah no, each skill lvl is like a different universe, if only i can get out of low ranks so i can fight less laggy laws

@@HELLRAISER02 you'll get a surprisingly high value amount of practice out of treasure battle, the sustained match-after-match formula as well as the ramping difficulty, modifiers and boss rounds mean you quite quickly scale in intensity and learn more about using your character in various scenarios. While it's never perfect to practice against AI there's a lot of value to be gained in the sort of test of stamina that kind of ladder is, you can improve a surprising amount very quickly that way.

Fingers well and truly crossed

Don't count Dee Jay? He's a bit different but he is styled around it

@@DarumaFGC he doesn't look like a boxer to me, he's much more like a shoto in my book. His fireball game is too important and I'm more like a Duds and Balrog type of boxer enjoyer.

Unfortunately not every boxing character made the cut, took a lot to get the footage I have of the 4 already in there

Some comments have told me

The fact this could get confused with yugioh at all just kinda speaks to the sheer variety in yugioh archetypes, huh?