>Takes the wargear of the Lamenters >It works flawlessly >Lamenters lament their bad luck again

Honestly It would be hilarious if the were the bastard children of Rogal Dorn and Perturabo. The Zeal of the Black Templars combined with the obedience of the Iron Warriors. Now thats a tool the High Lords of Terra would love to have in their arsenal.

Blood for the High Lords! Skulls for the Golden Throne!

The whole Greek Hoplite look they're rocking makes me think that there's some Iron Warrior mixed in as well.

"Wow Minotaurs, how come the High Lords let you have two Primarchs?!"

"Fuck em" personified. I like the attitude Loyalist Iron Warriors have, and Prefered Enemy: Space Marines is a cool concept

These guys aren't a mix of Death Guard and War hound, they're just flat out Iron Warriors. In tactics, temperment, & aesthetics they're son of Perturabo. And it way more likely that a Bunch of Iron Warriors stuck around than World Eaters. There were Iron Warriors Garrissons that sat out the entire war without even realizing anything was happening. They could have easily cut a deal upon re-discovery.

It really says something about the Lamenters when even the bronze asshole chapter stays its hand against them, in the end, even when they are fighting on the side of renegades and traitors.

I like to think the Minotaurs let the Lamenters live due to mutual understanding. They're both chapters of the cursed founding, probably both with mixed heritage, and under rough circumstances to some extent or another. Either that, or they think that letting the Lamenters live is a worse punishment than wiping them out lol.

Ah the wayward sons of Perturabo. Definitely one of my favorite Chapters.

These guys took all of the Lamentaters luck.

"Fk the minotaurs. All my homies hate the minotaurs." -Unknown Lamenter space marine

I Fucking love this Chapter. The color scheme, the ferocity, the tactics, Asterion Moloc being utterly terrifying to the point a Custode had to PAUSE to properly assess him and, weirdest of all, they got on alright with the Salamanders of all people during the War of Badab.

It occurs to me that another reason the Minotaurs might be a bit wary of Dreadnoughts is because the crusade era marines were too. They were fully aware of the horrible fate of those locked in Dreadnoughts. Maybe the Minotaurs are equally disillusioned.

So the Minotaurs are overwhelmingly sent out to crush Space Marine rebellions, cultivate complete antipathy to other chapters, have enough gear to fit right into a Great Crusade era army (whose entire point is that it's utterly superior to any modern Space Marine chapter), and have a background that makes them exceptionally loyal. You couldn't get a more tailor-made Praetorian Guard unit if you tried.

I lean towards Loyalist Iron Warriors for these lads. The one Chapter that the Minotaurs are actually on pretty good terms with are the Crimson Fists, who originate from their original Chapter Master, Alexis Polux. If the Minotaurs are descended from the loyalist Barabas Dantioch, that means Polux and Dantioch's bond of brotherhood lasted ten millennia, and that would be a shining beam of feel-good amidst all of the grimdark.

I really like the Minotaurs. So many chapters have a super cool and unique gimmick or backstory and long and glorious history of sacrifice and victory and then there’s the Minotaurs who are just ‘they’re dicks. They know they are dicks and they have harnessed the raw warp power of the dickish ways to personally cripple any poor soul that gets on the wrong side of the high lords and get the job done.’ Same reason I kind of like the marines malevolent. You need more callous SOBs to get the job done effectively, and it makes the nice ones shine all the brighter.

Ah yes, the Minotaurs. If space marines had a federal agent chapter, it would be them.

It should be noted that in the current lore, Minotaurs are no longer the High Lords attack dogs. They fully obey Lord Gulliman to the letter, who left them secret instructions if the High Lords tried to turn on him, in which they of course did. The Minotaurs feigned obedience to the traitors until it was time and then heel turned immediately, with zero hesitation and turned on the High Lords. The obey Gulliman so absolutely they were willing to risk going toe to toe with the Custodes and Imperial Fists on Terra itself.

Lamenters: “we stand with our friend the astral claws! Administratum overreach ends here- *glass breaks and Stone Cold Steve Austin’s theme plays as a Minotaurs charge in and stunner the poor yellow boys of sanguinius.*

Minotaur.. hmm a labyrinthine background

Legit my favorite chapter. I believe the original creator said it was an Iron warrior mix when they left black library. Also Asterion Moloc portrays paranoid tendencies at the heart of the labyrinth(their flagship) which was apparently an iron warrior trait

Interesting take. Personally lean more into Loyalist Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists smacked together or just Loyalist Iron Warriors. Culture of Greek, Pragmatic, use of siege assault vehicles, Controlled Fury, attrition, duty focused, ect. Seems no brainer. Though i also remember hearing some author who was involved with them saying they were Iron Warriors. Honestly. The perfect Loyalist Iron Warriors sucsessor

A loyal hunting dog, one that hasn't bit the hand that feeds them yet.

Hey arch. I just wanted to say thank you. I have listened to your videos for almost 8 years now. Your videos have always brought me comfort. When my mother died and I was sitting in that hospital room, holding her hand, I was able to relax for about half an hour, listening to your witch cult logistics video. Hope you’re all right man. Just wanted to say thank you.

Commenting here just to say how excited i am to see Arch's reaction to the new Custodes codex introducing female Custodes.

The Iron Within-otaurs

These guys have stuff that can rival the Blood Ravens.

Joke all you want the lamenters put up one hell of a fight against the minotaurs and even had to have had some of their respect as the minotaurs allowed them to surrender

I think they were once chimeric of death guard and world eaters, but the tinkering once they disappeared added iron warriors into the mix.

-Lamenters: why didn't you just... kill me? -Minotaurs: you don't fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe. -Lamenters: torture? -Minotaurs: Yes. We'll let you live.

im still under the impression that the minotaurs are iron warrior and war hound while the carcaradons are night lord and death gaurd it just makes too much sense for why they are why they are each

Would love to see the Minotaurs come to blows with the Space Sharks, that fight would be BADASS!

Arch, ya beauty! Been looking forward to your video on this chapter.

Been looking forward to this sinds the War for Badab! Great stuff Arch!

Finally an arch video I wanna watch that's not a dig at you just after the end and the death ive been 40klored out

They got the coolest dreadnoughts and Termie armors. On one hand I want to hate on them for not treating it with the respect that deserves, but on the other, they got their war material, they got their mission, out they go to finish it.

When I saw the tittle of the video, I knew it would be great and mighty lore.

Yay! New arch video!

3D print your own figurines, photocopy the books, rent your own spaces. You can totally continue the Hobby without Games Workshop

Imagine they come as just normal Ultramarine successors

Arch, you seem particularly chill this cast.

A chapter created for the sole purpose to hunt down and totally decimate Space Marines, while obeying only the Office of the Senatorum Imperialis. It's just such a brilliant twist and addition to Roboutes Imperium.

Another fine episode rich in lor. I thank you.

.. The Minotaurs Chapter: as subtle as a punch in the nose! ... The Commissar is pleased! 😎

Not a bad idea, you take a nearly snuffed out chapter, fill it up with you personal boys and nothing looks sketchy paper work wise.

Blackshields give new heraldry and colors. It could exsplain to some extent the chimeric gene-seed.

Greek, prickly, attrition, lots of armor. You'll have a hard time convincing me there isn't some Iron Warrior in there.

Barch, how could you forget the Iron Warriors similarities!!! The Minotaurs might have started as Warhounds, but that failed. Iron Warrior geneseed tho??? PERFECTION! It all fits.

You’re the man Arch.

25:20 according to the Soul Drinkers books, a dreadnaught can go into self 'hibernation' for milenia, and come back online by themselves fully operational - with no maintenance ( Daenyathos ).

God bless you, Alan Bligh, author of the best lore in warhammer

Awesome storytelling!

Dark Angels and Minotaurs deployed against the same threat would be an eventful action

I like to think the Lamenters simply were so used to the attrition that they somehow outlasted the minotaurs or theirs a 21st founding kinship that granted them a small mercy.

The start to an awesome weekend, with beer in hand and Arch playing, I am ready!

I think it would also work if the where remnants of the second and eleventh space marine legions this would also explain the edict of silence.

I’ve got the image of the Minotaurs getting sent to Vraks with the rest of chapters deployed there. Their tactics and arsenal would’ve been hella appreciated

they're pretty antagonistic in the vaults of terra series, loved those books

A fan theory for Asterion Moloch, which I love, which is that Moloch is Thunder Warrior (perhaps Tyranis) who survived the purge and found the secret to super long life (which probably involved being modded into oblivion). This would explain his distain for space marines, which he would pass on to the other Minotaurs. It would also explain how he could make a Custodies pause, as there is an argument to be made that a Thunder Warrior could beat a Custodies in a 1v1 fight, especially as a Custodies fighting abilities varies a lot from story to story.

Off topic, but since the Tamurkhan DLC is coming out, can you make either a lore video on him, or even better make a series about his campaign? You already did it twice for 40k, why not one for Fantasy, especially for a beloved character and story ?

Hm, interesting take on their "Freedom"... I wonder who could be considered more "Free" the Minotaurs with their Edict and backing, or the Carcharadons out in the void without overnight? Interesting take also, on their gene seed. I have only ever heard speculated they were Iron Warriors, chimeric or straight up. Awesome video as always you Norwegian Mountain Monkey😁👍

Ok arch.. I'm sold. Give me 1 chapter

Let's be fair, letting the Lamenters of all chapters live is a far worse punishment than killing them off. Also possibly proof that the Minotaurs have a sense of humor, but that might be stretching things.

We regret to inform you that Inquisitor Arch is reported missing. Last we know is that his ship was intercepted by a Space Marine strike cruiser.

Ty so much My favorite chapter

Thunder Warriors! Went through a SLEP update. Hey, the Emperor made everything from the Custodes on down to be weapons right?

They are probably just ultra marine successors.

Everyone knows the minotaurs are a loyalist band of alpha legion under cover

Algorithm gang gang. Good to see your videos being recommended again!

21:45 "The entire first company of the Terminators Chapter" 😂

On the Lamentors. I get the impression that they have the power of Karmic balance. As in most of the time they have bad luck. So it is like runing uphill with a parchute as ttavhed to your back. But when thing get too horrible they bad luck turns to good luck to get back th luck that was taken which is like taken rhe parachute of and running downhill. Allowing them to accomplish tasks even the other Space Marin chapters could not do. Which Arch points out

Theory: the minotaurs didn't spare the Lamenters. They simply couldn't kill off the last of the chapter. Guns jammed. Swords shattered. Even their hands were mangled by errant shrapnel trying to choke out their foes. Why? Because death would have put an end to their suffering. The worst they could do was to let the Lamenters keep existing

Gonna need to take the bit about saving a forge world in the past for my own marines. Didn't realize how many power weapons I was giving them.

Minotaur is a half man half bull chimera, so it's a cheeky reference to chimeric chapter, while at the same time alluding to Hellenic Spartan aesthetic. My head canon is that the chapter existence is the aligned interest of Lords of Terra and Custodes to keep Astartes on a tighter leash. Lords of Terra surely are annoyed with their autonomy, while for Custodes view all Astartes as traitors just waiting to happen. Remember that not a single Custodes betrayed the Emperor, while half of Astartes did. Considering the mission of the Minatours to annihilate specifically renegade SM and not chaos SM reflects on Custodes past failure to save the Emperor from traitors, not some demons. While Minotaurs are chimeric Astartes, I want to believe that Asterion Moloch himself is a Custodes directing the actions of the chapter. This would explain his gear as no Custodes would donate a relic variant of Guardian Spear to a filthy Astartes, his age, his chapter's gear (Terran Artisan clans are technologically more advanced than Admech and they make gear for Custodes). It would explain his demeanour and insults towards Astartes allies (a good Custodes holds those potential traitors at a spear's length at all times). Most importantly it would finally do real justice towards describing Custodes power. It would however explain the heavy censure not as something against the Inquisition, but as a secret from Astartes who would cry injustice against their autonomy.

this is the thunder warier that got the big e gean seed way back in the hersy

COOL, my current space marine army.

love you arch

On the topic of the Dreadnoughts, there's an odd parallel to be drawn with the Space Wolves, of all people. In the Forge World's "Imperial Armour Apocalypse - Second Edition" they introduced rules for the Contemptor Dreadnought, as well as a couple of Chapter specific variant. The Space Wolves on had an interesting lore blurb, as according to it, the Space Wolves have always considered that particular pattern to be ill-omened, with many of the sagas that mention them almost always being of dark and fell tales, rife with gruesome and bloody deeds even by their standards. Later on this because a bit of self-fulfilling prophesy, as the remaining chassis post-Heresy and Apostasy would mostly be given to warriors that had already bad reputations. So it made me wonder, even putting aside the potential fallen Legion origin of the Minotaurs, if their Contemptors have gained a similar reputation amongst them, and if that also plays a part in the... indifference? That they show the otherwise venerable warriors. I just that there was an odd similarity here.

Can't believe it took this long

I'd say iron warriors (which seems to be the consensus if not outright lore) and either Imperial fists or space wolves for the loyalty, and sheer rockcrete wall they have in temperament

This whole sword and shield stuff goes contrary to what a space marine is.

Chimeric geneseed, great crusade equipment, unknown progenitor primarch/Primarchs? Lost Legions power team. Imagine the Emperor tried reaching the Primarchs just after the scattering and only those two were retrieved quickly but at great cost, a father holding two still chested and silent babes.

Just a thought, but is there a potential for iron warriors being the second portion of the gene seed? They are known for their corpse grinding tactics. Maybe their hiatus was tweaking the balance of iron warrior to war hound expression. Keeping the savagery but promoting the stubbornly obedient temperament. They're no death gaurd in terms of survival, but they're no push overs. It also kinda fits the space Greece esthetic of everyone's favorite angsty Primarch.

World Eaters without the Butchers Nails?

I always saw them as Chimeric Iron Warriors and Death Guard, with a splash of Warhounds. They wear the Garb of Olympia proudly and march through all hell to be able to stab you until they are called to stab somewhere else.

"The imperium is not allowed to waste resources on over kill" I think the imperial gard would disagree good sir. 😂

Arch you bit off the mark there - technology of aspirant's rapid growth was indeed mentioned as something World Eaters dabbled in, but planet where such event was described have been raided by Iron Hands - and technology was looted by them as well, making it way more likely that its Iron Hands geneseed mixed in, not Death Guard. And as for relic vehicles Ferrus'es spawns (with cooperation of Mechanicus) are the ones most capable of maintaining and possibly even producing such constructs.

Frankly, it might just be a demi-Legion of all different traitors legions, minus the Thousand Suns

These guys get it! Crush the unclean!

Wasn't the Minators involved in attacking Terra in some Ex- Highlord rebellion against Gilly-Man New High Lords ...and they also had Primarus Marines in their chapter before they where standard issue marines?

Damn an arch classic

Regardless of their origin, i would love to see and confrontation between the Minotaurs' grinding ruthlessness and Death Guard's laid back but impossible perseverance.

Now for a book that has the space wolves getting pissed off at them 😏

Oh, I wish Arch would do something, anything, for the castodies. I wish to learn from him how they are made if nothing else.

Perhaps it started with High Lord Kandawire. We never broke Our oath.

Asterion Moloc is a gangster. I will hear nothing otherwise.

I'd say the road to hell is paved with ignorance but i can get behind wha lt you meant

Emperor be praised.

Does anyone else feel like there's no Roman chapter? I know the smurfs exist but they just seem like space Macedonians, or something else. No chapter seems Roman, although the fist might be close. Unless there's a chapter I don't know about, which is highly possible.