Well, the bay was named in honor of the ship.

But it was named in 1910, long before anyone knew exactly where the ship sank. So it’s still a bit of a coincidence.

​@@lluviathewolfgirlApparently they want to rename King William island after Dianne Abbott the Labour party politician

That's terrible

His name is Louie Kamookak.

Sadly he died in 2018 from Cancer, at 58. He was very well respected in his field. A bit of a legend

I too was impressed by Mr. Kamookak's quiet demeanour and evident respect for the expedition. That RN nutjob who confidently asserted that the last expedition survivors were in fact murdered should be ashamed.

@@jb1934 Absolutely

@@jb1934 But he didn't say they were 'murdered' and he didn't say by who, just that the evidence suggests they were attacked. He said that the police forensic evidence suggests that the wounds to the hands and feet bones were caused by attack. That could have been attack from delirious crew-mates, or crew-mates who had reached the end of their mental sanity rope and had gone nuts. It could have been by Inuit maybe - maybe the delirious/crazy/starving crew members attacked a group of Inuit they came across? Who knows, it's awful if that did happen and I wish it had not, but I don't remember him saying specifically that the Inuit attacked the sailors. Or as just several scenes earlier attested to, knives were used to cut the dead, frostbitten flesh away from living flesh, particularly on the hands and feet, and where were those 'attack' sign bones mostly found? The hands and feet. So those cuts to the bones could have just come from crew members cutting the dead flesh away of their hands and feet after frostbite or gangrene. It's entirely possible that the guy is just grasping at something else other than the idea of the crew turning to cannibalism (which is an understandably reprehensible thing you hope your fellows don't submit to under the most desperate of circumstances). But at the same time, he didn't say that the Inuit set upon the crew. He just said that the cuts to the bones likely came from 'attacks', which could have a been a wide variety of explanations.

For real...just sawing his own fingers off...idk how he survived mentally from that

Well it's just a museum artifact. It's not as if he chopped them off himself.

If I had just one finger in that barrel it would be an tuesday Granville.

Legend! That man has zero sentimentality!

Who the fuck is the guy who cut his own finger off!??

Really pleased you enjoyed this.

Yes,that's right.

Yes, before aliens, anticlimactic island digs& flea market acquisitions took over

Shut up. I'm an alien I ran out of gas and had to get back home. In order to do so I passed my intergalactic cock pump!

Exactly, I get storage wars on my regional History channel..wtf!

@@saroche Crap,isn't it.

Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.

The wreck of the Terror was discovered in 2016 south of King William Island in what's called Terror Bay. Both sites are protected and combined as a National Historic Site. And exact locations have not been disclosed.

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@@user-me1tk9yx2l -- "Many wagon come."

jj abou, I heard that the wrecks were pretty close to where the Inuit said, not precisely of course, but close enough. Give them the credit they deserve.

One mast was intact , above water about 5 feet

Gary Mingy, as I recall, the Inuits reported that. Given the vital necessity for them to know the geography of the area, they knew that they were talking about, I'd bet my own life.

Oral history, just like all sources are considered by the best researchers especially when studying non western cultures. Far more interesting especially from a historiography point of view

I'm here after my fifth or so re-watch. Probably my favorite show.

I loved the book just couldn’t get into the series I really wanted to but everybody say it’s great

Brilliant...just binge watched all 10 episodes on BBC iPlayer 👍

You think this is a game nigga? WU TANG!

TV series The Terror started well but rapidly descended into claptrap.

Dude - same! Just sitting here watching and all of a sudden my guy casually mentions how he cut his fingers off a few weeks ago and has them in a drawer a few feet away! 😂

Big time lol

40:10 I love the reveal after he moves his hands apart 🤝😮 🪚🫲

💀 😅

Your comment reveals a lot about yourself. You are definitely someone that avoids pain and suffering at all cost. When you suffer you learn a little more about yourself and the world around you. When you avoid it, you don’t even know why your here.

Thank you ,pleased you enjoyed it.

@@Mallorypeckard I njnnnn

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It has for loads of people.

A pity the series descended into utter tripe.

@@malcolmn.pearson6103 You're referring to the second season?

​@@tessafreyer6948either that or manbearpig-at least the manbearpig in the book was scary.

The scary thing is that he is half man, half bear, and half pig. I’m totally serial.

Thank you,pleased you enjoyed it.

No skinsperts either

@E mills Why do you have to ruin everything good with your weird cultish bullshit? Seriously, every video these days, no matter the subject, has at least one of you guys lurking in the comments, talking about how great things were back in the good ol’ days. Stop. Please, just stop. SJWs didn’t ruin history. They continually shine a light on painful moments from our past that we are still dealing with today. I believe Ta Tum’s point, and correct me if I’m wrong, was that history documentaries, NOT ALL OF HISTORY ITSELF, were better before brain-melting reality tv crap took over all the science channels. You took a positive thing such as an old informative documentary being uploaded for everyone to see and made it negative. Stop with the code words and cult antics. Learn about topics such as cognitive dissonance and realistic conflict theory and maybe, just maybe you too can grow up. FYI, I never comment on KZfaq videos, but I felt compelled after seeing YET ANOTHER negative comment on a completely non-political doc. Call me triggered. I don’t care and I don’t expect my comment to change your frankly sad worldview. I just want to watch my arctic exploration documentaries in peace. Maybe you should do the same.

They speak of these artic explores as if they were to first to voyage in these waters yet they all speak of whalers. Whalers who must have been there first. ??

@@redwater4778 just because whalers went there doesn't mean they got through to the west.

Inuit people saved my great great grandfather’s life on two separate occasions during two different polar expeditions (USS Polaris Expedition in the early 1870s and the USS Jeannette Expedition in the late 1870s). Both voyages ended in tragedy for the captains (Captain Hall and Captain De Long) who perished along with many of their fellow shipmates. My great great grandfather survived being marooned on an ice floe with 15 of his fellow shipmates for 6 months in the inhospitable arctic conditions due to the survival and hunting skills of an Inuit couple that Captain Hall had recruited to join the expedition. He only survived the Jeannette expedition because a couple of Inuit hunters just happened to find him and one of his shipmates, on the brink of death from starvation and severe frostbite, as they were sheltering in an Inuit hunting shack they had stumbled upon in northern Siberia (Lena Delta region) after they were sent ahead by Captain De Long to try to reach help for their Captain and shipmates who had already grown too weak from starvation and exposure to proceed any further. He remained extremely grateful to the Inuit people and spoke/wrote very highly of them for the reminder of his life.

Also, by the time the Inuit came across the men from the expedition, they were stark raving mad. Starving and suffering from various diseases caused by vitamin deficiencies that affected their minds. The Inuit tried to help the ones they found, but the men didn’t react well. I read a couple of accounts of the Inuit trying to help, but being rebuffed. Though I also read that the last time the men were seen by the Inuit was in 1851, 3 years after they abandoned the ships. I doubt they could have lasted that long with help from the Inuit.

@@lori5353 I read fascinating accounts of both these expeditions in Farley Mowat's "The Polar Passion" about 40 years ago. His Arctic exploration trilogy were my introduction to Arctic exploration and I have been hooked ever since. How amazing to have this history in your own family tree!

@@myback2032 My great great grandfather was William FC Nindemann. I had no idea about the family history until I inherited an old trunk full of his personal belongings a few years ago. The trunk had been sitting, untouched, in my parents attic for 50+ years. One of the items it contained was the commemorative medal he was awarded by the US Congress on Sept 30th 1890. It also contained some photos, a few pocket knives, a polar bear tooth and a walrus tooth (had to take them to a local university for identification), a patent he was awarded in 1901, a big Ritchie Naval ship compass dated 1895, a sterling silver mens grooming kit, some cuff links, a few first edition books about polar exploration, and some polar maps from the 1870s with hand markings. : )

@@lori5353 I've googled your great great grandpa and what an amazing Arctic exploration career he had! In addition to the two expeditions you mentioned, he was also part of a rescue mission for the Greely expedition. I think I need to go back and re-read the Mowat book, this expedition was also included. Have you ever read Hampton Sides book "In the Kingdom of Ice"? That was an account of the USS Jeanette expedition, certainly your ancestor would have been a key contributor to this. I haven't read it yet, on my to-do list :-)

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Along with a documentary, drawers full of readable documents would be splendid! Cheers

@@TheCarnivalguy every weekend yes

And they found Shackletons ship

@@mikewatte4478🎨 ✊🏿🌚🔥💯🎮🌞✊🏼🖼

Agreed. It was common for ship wrecked and lost at sea people to do it and for that matter whenever there are starvation events like the Donner party.

Yes I've been to Banbridge and seen the Crozier monument,and went inside the church too.

William I have lived in Banbridge all my life of 66 years and have never been in that church.but this week I intend to go and see the recognition for crozier.by the way have you read the book ,last man standing,which is all about crozier.brillant.

@@stephaniefleming2880 Yes I've read the book Last man standing by Michael Smith.an excellent read,Stephanie,when you go inside the church and look at the stone dedication to Crozier we noticed that they had spelt Arctic and Antarctic wrong,from memory the warden who showed us round was called Trevor,a lovely man.

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He probably ate his fingers ,

If John Franklin was able to eat his boots to survive, surely you could eat sawed off fingers.

You can't beat a bit of nostalgia.

Thanks.

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Gonna be some fire 🔥 documentaries circa year 2350

I'm sure we've been to the Moon.

@@markhemming318 He prob meant moon bases

like icarus, trying to reach the thing that will end him, foolish waste of taxdollars, better to invest in permaculture no?

@@BotanyDegreePilkerton Yes. We are still limited to 1940s rocket tech. 🚀 We already failed in creating a sustainable enclosed environment with the Earth Biosphere project. They threw people into a huge hothouse in Arizona. They could not produce enough food and the oxygen levels got dangerously low in short order. They had to be pulled out. They also nearly started a little war in there also. We could not make a sustainable enclosed environment on earth. And, we are supposed to get it right on Mars?

Go legion!

Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it,there were adverts, but I managed to cut them out using the editor.

They didnt even stand a chance of getting out of any ice packs if they did get stuck. Between the steam engines and the actual boats everything was working against them, considering the conditions that year were the worst seen.

What needs to be acknowledged is that they ate each others buns

😢😮 4:29

@@syd1764 They understood that they were likely to get iced in for a season. They had expected a summer melt that would allow them to carry on. They thought that they had packed enough food and supplies to last a few years. One winter in the ice was almost guaranteed.

Francis Crozier is the real hero of the story, not Franklin, who was well-intentioned but his confidence created arrogance, and later incompetence.

We can thank the locals for just remembering were the ships were located

what the fuck are you talking about? this comment makes no sense at all, you sound like a lunatic.

@@escopiliatese3623 How can you said that when we all know that all this poor man we're starving to death and on top of that the poisoning can food who leads all of them to make bad decisions????

@@escopiliatese3623 For this kind of expeditions you need people that can be a very good team. Do you know the Dutch expedition that survived the arctic winter on Novy Zemlya, a couple of CENTURIES earlier than Franklin? Their ship also got stuck in the arctic ice, so they built a wooden "shed" on Novy Zemlyia. The skipper Willem Barentsz understood, that they needed to live a sailors live, on shore, having a watch for polar bears, a church ceremony every sunday, celebrate the Christian holy days, even having fun. One of the things they thought very funny, was making a statue out of a large polar bear. They shot the bears for safety reasons. Imagine shooting your musket, in a snow storm, facing a hungry polar bear, after you tried shouting and scaring it off. After shooting this bear, two or three men kept the dead bear on its feet, until it was frozen solid, a huge white teddy bear. But the story didn't end that well. They hunted and set traps, they survived a severe arctic winter. Perhaps two or three. The ship did not see liquid water anymore. The remaining number of men rigged a rowing sloop, and sailed south. I don't remember how few of them reached the Russian mainland and eventually their home. Skipper Barentsz got ill and died in the sloop. The search for a passage had failed, in a very early stage. They had no idea what to expect, there were several theories and world maps. Even today planning that north passage is not that easy, summer is short, you need the ice breakers and the authorities are taking care of each ship, avoiding fatal accidents. For it is, still, very dangerous.

She was just chasing a naval pension payout 🤣

@@geert574 For the amount of effort she put in I'd say she deserves the payout

Having a devoted wife like her is such a rarity these days.

@@RedWolf777SG a wife devoted to herself isn't too difficult to find. Just close your eyes and point in any direction.

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So true.

"The Flash photography": well spotted! I missed it!!

Cringe comment. Every history channel documentary has loads of this type of comment.

More likely they’d have them killed by Yetis or some conspiracy to do with infrasound or some other nonsense lol. What happened to history?

Thank you so much.

group ?

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Yeah I had to celebrate that alone constantly told this story to friends.now as a adult it boggles my mind that I have bought canned goods and they have gone bad after 2yrs world end we are doomed lol

@@teresawright4454 your comment make no sense at all what the fuck are you talking about?

@@AsTheWheelsTurn thanks for that! I'm gettin' old!!! Wtf? A kid?

@@vincentconti3633 haha yeah I guess I am gettin old too because if that was supposed to make sense in some way It went way over my head...Teresa Wright please explain!

thanks for the translation Yar haha

Yes,I believe it was cannabilism,as do most others,Ernie Coleman is in the minority.

maybe they tried bleeding him out and trying to purify his body tto hopefully rid any disease .... i doubt they ate him with a fire so

@Wal Leece Not cannibalism, but I have cut up dead bodies for hours (anatomy lab pre-med school and then during med school), as well as spent months in Surgery and ER rotations, including stitching up wounds under many circumstances, including knife wounds. But as I said in the OP, there is another doc clearly showing magnified, repeated, parallel cuts on the wrist and ankle bones from the expedition, which to me is pretty persuasive. It was rare for knife wounds to reach bone in my ER experience, and unheard of for there to be multiple cuts on bone right next to each other.

@@Itried20takennames Quite convincing indeed. Besides, I don’t think the Inuit are known for their warlike qualities.

@@mamavswild They were not. The Inuit actually remember the winters of 1845-1850 as "the savage/merciless winter"-where infanticide and desperation to find food were rampant. If they were struggling to survive, the expedition members certainly were as well, and given they would be far more desperate than the actual inhabitants of the land were, they out of any of the parties involved would be the ones to initiate violence out of desperation.

Thank you so much George,much appreciated.

I miss the old history channel,pleased you enjoyed it.

The Inuit are and should not be touted as the killers of these men .

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Brilliant observation

Icy cannibalism all around!

Flew over the North pole too,in an airship.

Wow 🤩

Thanks Dani,pleased you enjoyed it.

I totally enjoyed this! I love reading about polar exploration in general and the Franklin expedition specifically

Thanks Marilyn,pleased you enjoyed it.

Thanks Todd.

Thanks for your comment.

Aye me too.... kinda gasping for some new info now. Hopefully some info comes from the 2 ships....

@@EireForTheIrish Hms Terror is the best bet for finding something..

@@Mallorypeckard Yeah, I agree. The videos from Parks Canada were amazing. Just imagine what in Cpt Croziers office and desk...

You too Chris,you're a man of your word,thanks for everything and enjoy it.

I've read Barrow's boy's too,pleased you enjoyed the documentary.

We all do.

Thank you for this comment,pleased you enjoyed it,and Terror which I also enjoyed.

@@Mallorypeckard 👌👏

Loved it

Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.

Thank you,pleased you enjoyed it

Yep.

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Yes I've read Barrow's Boys,I enjoyed reading the biographies in the epilogue of all the major player that were involved.

No bother,pleased you enjoyed it,have you seen the Terror,with Jared Harris?

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@@Mallorypeckard Just watched first episode last night. Looking forward to watching the rest.

@@janetthompson1581 You'll enjoy it.

Thanks for your comment.

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Thanks.

Me too.

Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.

Dude these aren't bullshit artists 40:33

I`m glad that you caught that too! So, this "Historian" is implying that the Inuit attacked and killed the remaining survivors?? What a stupid bigoted statement! The Inuit people are and always have been peaceful, and most certainly would have sheltered, fed, and cared for Franklin`s men had they met up in those dire circumstances. Also, for Him to say that the Inuit "lived on the edge of survival" is quite incorrect. The Inuit have lived in their traditional ways for thousands of years, and have survived just fine in harmony with nature. Canada`s northern-most islands are part of two Provincial mainland territories, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, and those areas (as well as northern Yukon, northern Quebec, northern Alaska and northwestern Greenland) are the Inuit`s ancestral homeland. The Inuit are not, and never have been, the murderous savages that this "Historian" implies.

@@seankelly7211 I'd agree with your remarks and the others completely. The trouble with freemasons is that their inculcation urges them to defend any members of the secret society without any boundaries & no matter how many years ago in history. One of the saddest things is that establishment linked people are without doubt the architects of political correctness. Therefore such hostile racism is disturbing as the Inuit did not harm franklins expedition in any way.

@@cameroncameron2826 I hope that I didn`t appear too angry in my defense of our Inuit people, and I totally agree with your comments about the Free Mason "Brotherhood"!

@@seankelly7211 Not at all too angry. An adverse social phenomenon with respect to tribal aspects of a certain western oral tradition has frequently attempted to place important records concerning the inuit incorrectly. Therefore such is only quintessential within a social conscience that knows better. Furthermore only wishes to be authentically human when speaking in support of the Inuit it would seem (to my humble opinion).

Frozen in Time is the book that got me interested in the expedition too.

How could they have been ill prepared for the harsh conditions and environment when these men were top minds in the field of artic exploration?

@@jamesfracasse8178 Hubris. Thinking they were better than those uncivilized people who had to resort to wearing pelts, in climate where pelts make hell lot more sense than "civilized" wool and leather clothes and shoes. Top minds in the field of arctic exploration was more about bringing information to the empire's heart than about actually surviving in the climate they were exploring if things went arse up.

@@stonefox2546 'Civilised' wool and leather are obviously the pelts of animals too and they've been used by mankind for thousands of years.

@@stonefox2546 The britisch polar expeditions always made the same mistake over again: They took too many people! It was madness to take 130 men to such an expedition, Sometimes less is really better than more. 60 years after Franklin, the Northwest Passage was made by Roald Amundsen, who came with the little ship called Gjoa, and six men with him. They spent the winter in an Inuit settlement, and they learned a lot of them, how to live and survive in the Arctic. I think, Franklin and his crew would never had dreamed of learning anything from the Inuit...

Pleased you enjoyed it,greetings from Sunderland.

History is my absolute favorite interest in my life. I learn something new every day. Unfortunately, I didn’t learn much in my high school history class. Always the same way it has been: Read an outdated textbook and then answer the questions at the end. Even in 2018, we used textbooks.

Some of the enlisted sailors, maybe. The officers didn't have to imagine as many of them had already experienced or witnessed it first hand, and those who hadn't had the reliable testimonies of those who had to rely on. This is actually most amazing to me - how these men kept going and going on arctic or antarctic missions again and again, until they were killed on one one way or the other. Sir John Franklin, the 'man who ate his boots' - yet he not only accepts a command like this, he yearns for it. Others had already at least once experienced (but survived) what they were about to experience again - abandoning their ships in the ice and making the exacting overland trek back to civilization, always an inch from freezing to death, starving or half-starving, losing some of their comrades on the way. To me, just about the last thing to do in my life after something like that would have been to enlist on yet another such expedition! And yet these men did. It seems almost fanatical on their part.

ThAT WAS MR. HICKEY

Lol

@@PinacoladaMatthew THEY DID NOT PUNCH 25 HOLES INTO LT. IRVING'S CHEST WITH A BOAT KNIFE THAT WAS MR. HICKEY!

Who.would.want to.eat those rotten , unhealth animals ? Yucks

That is an absolute FACT !

No bother,pleased you enjoyed it.

Well it was that or they rot n u die of sepsis. So yeah id figure out how 2 do it myself if choice was death

Why would he even bother to go " Polar " exploring at such a recent point in time ?....I mean if that's what he wanted to do God bless him I just don't understand why ?

​@@user-wm2hv2mh9bwhy do people still climb Mount Everest? Some people just thrive off of the challenge of a thing, whether or not it's necessary.

Yes I read Erebus,great book.

Erebus is a great book by Michael Palin, a member of the Monty Python group, brilliantly researched

Wow really ? that's incredible. Thanks for sharing. Have you seen the miniseries the terror and what do you think of it? These guys really endured hell.

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Kenneth Knoppik No, I’m just kidding, I never heard of John Franklin until I saw this video.

@@johnfranklin1955 you should still check out the miniseries it's pretty good. Lots of actors from Game of Thrones and Rome. It is pretty cool you have the same name.

Your uncle borrowed money and didn’t pay it back.

Yes,It's a good one.

Not the way I'd choose to go. There is a terrible beauty to the Arctic: nothing but sea and ice, sky and the southward expanse of gravel and bare rock but definitely a horrible place in which to end one's life. I've seen footage of the land round Porpoise Cove on the southwest Shore of Hudson Bay and it's nothing but bare grey and tan rock as far as one can see. That is similar to what the men of the Franklin Expedition would have had to contend with. It's beyond desolate.

I'm surprised that guy didn't just come out and call the Inuit "the local savages" or whatever. Like damn, dude, let colonialism color your worldview a little more, why don'tcha

YOU TOO??? God I'm glad to hear that i thought it was just me! lol

@@jackrackham3406 yeah lol

Pretty sure she was in The Office as well

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Pleased you enjoyed it.

Thanks for your comment,It's a very underated documentary..

They undoubtedly did eat some of the bodies, but I'm not persuaded by cuts on hands and feet. They aren't fleshy enough to bother with. Cuts on long bones would be more persuasive, and skulls cut open.

@@jturtle5318 The cuts on the hands and feet are either: 1. Signs of desperation: the meaty bits of the body that would be eaten first were gone, and thus they fell back to the hands and feet or 2. purposeful removal of "human-looking" parts of the bodies to make butchering their dead friends easier. A recent study finds that long bones show signs of being boiled in a pot (a sign that marrow was being extracted), some have cuts, and the inuit describe many skulls as having been smashed in or having had holes carved into them. Kamookak's skull in the vid may well have been the top part of a head that was cut open to get at the brain.

There is no denying they most definitely had to resort to cannibalism. I remember them saying bones were even boiled and scraped like they were trying to get to bone marrow. That's how hungry these men were. Their food situation was desperate with the bad canning. I always find the fierce denial of it bizarre, its a last resort in a desperate situation which this clearly was considering how far the bones go out into the land.

No bother,pleased you enjoyed it.

This is really great. Very, very interesting.

man up, snowflake

Lol poor sod. Now you can learn what really happened in history 😂

Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.

Yes, compare with the Parry Expedition of 1819. ? They were frozen in for 10 months but lost only 2 crew members I think. Melville Island was their Winter Harbour.

Agree Titanic

Certainly is.

@Emil Galant that dudes hard core

Hey, jerky for later.

Get the Chili from Wendy’s, stick em in the cup and give it a mix, then pretend like you found them whilst eating dinner, then sue, sue, sue!

Nevermind... someone already tried doing that...

@Emil Galant They didn’t get any money, in fact they went to prison for fraud. They made 2 keys mistakes: 1. Forensic Analysis showed the finger hadn’t been stewed at 195*F for 4 hours like the rest of the Wendy’s chili in which the desiccated digit was supposedly found. 2. As the plaintiff’s boyfriend held her hand as she tearfully gave an interview describing how traumatized she was after the alleged, grisly find in her food, one look at the boyfriend’s hand, and you guess it, he was missing a finger.. Don’t make the same phony lawsuit mistake they did!

"The Canadian gov.was very critical of Franklin..." To clarify, there was no "Canadian government" as such in 1819-20, just a couple of crown colonies along the St Lawrence with no responsibility or connection to Franklin's Coppermine expedition. Who *was* critical was some of the personnel at the Hudson Bay Company, whose outposts were used to help support the expedition (not least because Franklin was seen as a supporter of the rival Northwest Company). Franklin undoubtedly *was* poorly prepared (and ill-suited) for the Coppermine expedition, but that doesn't go to his *likability*. It's possible to be less competent and still be likable, after all - and all of the letters we have from the Franklin Expedition from Greenland in July 1845 attest to an affection for Sir John and high morale.

@@richardmalcolm1457 I am sure that by 1845, when Sir Franklin was on an entirely new mission with entirely new men (note that none of these men were with him on the previous ill fated one), letters written mentioning him were quite favorable indeed. Nobody had been forced to eat insects for sustenance at that point. Being pleasant to be around and being able to make decisions that affect the health and welfare of others are two very different things.

@@victoriadiesattheend.8478 "Being pleasant to be around and being able to make decisions that affect the health and welfare of others are two entirely different things" -- how true, and well said! In this kind of endeavor the latter is so much more important than the former. Franklin probably wasn't as pleasant to be around once he was dead, while the decisions he had made regarding the welfare of his men continued to affect them long after his pleasantness was gone. Franklin's men likely weren't thinking fondly of how pleasant Franklin had been to be around as they sickened, starved, and froze to death.

Nice point, He also botched up the governer job which he could have made a name with. Having said that, for a mission like this you don't need a well meaning father figure who gets along well with everyone, but rather some one like Crozier, who may not be popular or likeable but whose experience could have made the difference between life and death. We will never know until more written documents are unearthed. I only hope that they find more evidence before my life time.

@@4thamendment237 No. Likely not. Much better to have someone who can make at least reasonably correct decisions.

Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.

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