Are Bolt Throwers Any Good in Patch 5.1?

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Are Bolt Throwers Any Good in Patch 5.1? - Dwarfs Unit Focus

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War. War never changes... but the Dwarf Bolt Thrower has! CA made an aggressive move and converted it to a same price, same tier, 8 artillery pieces on Ultra unit. Shall I call it the Fun-Sized Bolt Thrower? This makes it a lot more appropriate for helping whittle down thorny targets like cavalry and monstrous infantry, though you'll still want regular ranged support and, obviously, protection for your ranged assets, but at its price point? Yes, the Bolt Thrower can now justify its existence.
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@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

I hated how they put dwarf warriors in the teir 1 settlement, when that would have been the PERFECT buff for the bolt thrower, instead it made miners worthless, dwarfs having the only artillery unit in the game in the settlement would be fitting, while also giving people an actual reason not to build the artillery building immediately every game

@poche4686 Ай бұрын

This would make it actually usable, it always arrives too late and already outclassed.

@perrymeril Ай бұрын

@@calebbarnhouse496 this might have made it more usable AND more scary to target the dawi both early and late... and that's talking the OLD unit, not thus new jack of all trades unit we have now.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

They rescinded that Dwarf Warriors change for exactly the reason you described.

@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

@@perrymeril it definitely wouldn't have made the dwarfs to scary to fight early game, the fact is that AI bolt throwers will never accomplish anything just due to how bad they are for anything except having an artillery peice in the army, which is only really useful to get the AI to come in to fight

@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

@@OffToBattlevery nice to hear that the went back on that, it was the one change I really hated

@david7019 19 күн бұрын

2:36 It may be an advantage but thats still a grudgin

@OffToBattle 19 күн бұрын

I'll live with it.

@itsjesus9362 Ай бұрын

Nice video! I dont know a lot about dwarfs. I am just not an dwarf player. But the buffs the bolt thrower got are really nice. Another dawi arillery that can do his job very well. :D

@Unknown-lf2kl Ай бұрын

This unit was very weird for me in the beginning .Until I understood it was basically just a quarreler unit that had long range. Mid to early game if you want multiple armies and still have artillery support, they were very good Compliment it, even if they are not very good against infantry having the ability to force the AI to Move torture you is always good .in multiplayer. They're cheap but reliable artillery If your enemy try to take them out they're basically wasting their time because at the time they were just quarreller price. Which is just 550. This buff is definitely very good and I can see it being used more intimate, maybe even late game if your iron brow.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Yeah, at that price you take anything you can get.

@joaquinjimenezbecerra5444 Ай бұрын

@@Unknown-lf2kl nah with ironbrow grugdetrowers are king because the army rune, you would probably have 1 bolt thrower for dynos chariots or skarbrand. But if you confederate belegar, belegar bugman rangers and bolt towers are a powerful combination.

@kirillrivkin4842 Ай бұрын

I like that they made them anti-large and gave them a specific role on the roster.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Right, because it was hard to claim they had a role even worth getting them at Tier II before, trapped between cannon meta and grudge throwers.

@Rowant-sh7vm Ай бұрын

do they get hide in forest like the elven bolt throwers?, if not would be cool to see it added

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

I forgot to look at that. Yes, it can indeed Hide in Forest according to the stat card...

@fcon2123 Ай бұрын

Hmm. I wonder if enemy artillery count as large targets? If so, a unit of these could possibly function as good cannon snipers - 8 models with reasonably good accuracy should be able to bring some pain. Not gonna lie, I never really used them much when they first came out - the damage output and lack of range was quickly noticed, and I went back to grudgethrowers in a matter of like 5 turns. Maybe I'll give them another go to see how they do.

@henrywallace1823 Ай бұрын

even if not they already do counter other artillery.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

They absolutely count as large targets... if you hit the machines themselves.

@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

Thr problem with them doing counter battery is there abysmal range, and even in that role at the same ranges i would tell you I've done tests and grudge throwers were the better unit for counterbattery just because your gonna kill like 20 guys in one shot eventually and that's almost guaranteed to break the war machine's moral and get them to flee, ironically enough i think the only matchup where the bolt thrower would have a place would be a dwarf v dwarf early game army, and purely because dwarf crews are tough enough that they'd have a harder time getting mulched and have better moral, so targeting the warmachines from there more direct angles might be a boon, i think thats a theme among bad dwarf units, like the great weapons, the only matchup where they could realistically be a good choice is a mirror match that dwarfs will never get into in campaign, and has never once been recorded in MP because no one wants to watch 2 armies of artillery shoot eachother to death like it's the next empire total war

@Canuovea Ай бұрын

It's certainly much better now! Though I maintain that they weren't awful previously, but this makes it much better.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Right, it's not so much they were awful, it's that their competition was too stiff for what they brought. Now they're more distinct, job's done.

@priyank1811 Ай бұрын

I really like the unit aesthetic and want to make it work but I don't know how to.i wanna make a rangers only army and see how it works with bolt throwers as arty ...thoughts and suggestions please

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Well bolt throwers WILL help with your major weakness for crossbows (monster blobs, and so on). I'd recommend enough Charge Defense vs. Large help to close off the flanks a little, and advise you probably want at least one Grudge Thrower to keep mass goblin blobs honest, but you're pretty much set. Since this is the Thrones of Decay era, consider a Grudge Settler Irondrakes unit thrown in (again, blob-smacking, just at whites of their eyes ranges included). Should be achievable early game just fine. Let us know how it works out for you and thanks for commenting!

@nick5049 Ай бұрын

yo, whats the instrumental song during the extra footage?

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Luna Misteriosa by Luna Cantina (KZfaq Audio Library) I try to put it in the Description each time. Enjoy! I just pick them, I don't make them.

@Enterprise4Life 17 күн бұрын

Bolt throwers: trash against infantry but can devestate lords and heros once you lock em in place. Against Large units its just shoot the big red target thats moving towards you at 50-119 speed. (119 speed is for tik taq if ai builds the right army and puts points in to the speed line) or against a tik taq army of another player

@OffToBattle 16 күн бұрын

Still better than the nigh literally useless state they had before.

@perrymeril Ай бұрын

OTB, bolt throwers DESTROY towers. Downs them faster than cannons and grudges, and probably around the same rate as melee gyros ( for the inner towers atleast ). You can run a ~15 stack of bolt throwers and actually be effective now. They can also hold up surprisingly well in melee, including against cavalry while the cavalry gets shot at by other bolt throwers.

@X.Y.Z.07 Ай бұрын

They are pretty much conparable to Ubshati Bow..

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

That's interesting, so thanks a lot for spreading the word. My experience with them is very limited.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

That's some high praise. And those have unit caps..

@felwarksmith6239 Ай бұрын

Nice

@shnappi2346 Ай бұрын

I think bolt throwers being completely outmatched by its own units. Grudthrowers are great helicopters which is the same tier is do so much flamethrowers amazing anti-infantry. That the reason why people mostly don't go with bolt throwers. Also the fact it was always outmatched by grudgethrowers do the trick because people still think of them as a worse version of artillery piece

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

I think that's all fair. They just have a reason to exist now which means you can use them to do the things that grudge throwers suck at.

@PAUL-ESNEED Ай бұрын

I doubt it.

@really1337 Ай бұрын

Kind of feels CA's solution to some of their misdesigned units is increase the count. I don't mean that's the only thing they change, just it seems like the obvious move they've been using as of late.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Gyrocopters, you mean? Well, in that case it worked out decently.

@X.Y.Z.07 Ай бұрын

@@really1337 gyrocopters and chariot units really improved a lot with increased unit models

@really1337 Ай бұрын

@@X.Y.Z.07 yeah i agree 100% with you there.

@really1337 Ай бұрын

@@OffToBattle don't forget chariots.

@Merknilash Ай бұрын

@@X.Y.Z.07 I agree

@thegreatbookofgrudges6953 Ай бұрын

No one ever bother use or recruit the unit even the campaign player thinks it still shit. It's a failed unit design and should be scrap entirely from the game. The only thing could make this unit viable is by giving it homing missile and really high (deathshrieker level) arc of fire

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

I welcome the opinion. I think it reached "good enough" status for its tier, but the competition is stiff, full credit to grudge throwers and cannons for being strong. I don't blame CA for trying, and if you think it still isn't good enough then so be it.

@thegreatbookofgrudges6953 Ай бұрын

@@OffToBattle sorry mate, it's just my otherselves being butt hurt to the people that like trashing my favorite units for over 7 years like demigryph lance variant for a example. And I still won't forgive that person who brought Demigryph halberds against dwarfs

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

@@thegreatbookofgrudges6953 That last one is an interesting choice to be sure ^^; People know the usual variant is armor-piercing, right? Right...?

@toggle3927 Ай бұрын

They struggle to even approach 10k damage before running out of ammo and people think they're comparable in any way to grudge throwers/cannons? Interdasting.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

I don't remember saying they're equal or better to either. I said they now have a reason to exist because they afflict large targets at a low price point...

@Merknilash Ай бұрын

I think bolt throwers are pretty bad They can sometimes kill a troll or two but in general they don't seem to provide their value in gold except by forcing the enemy to come to you.

@joaquinjimenezbecerra5444 Ай бұрын

They are decent, imagine they as a jezzails unit, slower but longer range.

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

Forcing the enemy to come to you when your next longest ranged missile unit is 160 meters max isn't useless, but it's still a low end arty unit.

@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

@@OffToBattlethe thing is that it's available at the EXACT same time as a grudgethrower with 100 more range, and deals way more damage to everything your gonna fight, bolt throwers want to compete with cannons, but they come in to late to justify investing in them unless your at the exact breakpoint where you can't afford any artillery except one bolt thrower

@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

@@joaquinjimenezbecerra5444the difference is jezzails do good to amazing damage on most targets while being very tanky, and having almost 50 speed if they encounter anything that deals enough damage to break them while the bolt thrower crew is just dead if anything hits them

@joaquinjimenezbecerra5444 Ай бұрын

@@calebbarnhouse496 yeah but bolt thrower have 50%more range 50 bonus vs large and totally ignore shields

@angun703 Ай бұрын

They used to be meh in wh2

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

And WH3. This is a bold experiment but not everyone agrees they're even "okay". Well, the competition is really stiff, that's the thing.

@BalbazaktheGreat Ай бұрын

I was a big advocate for buffing this unit, but I really dislike they way they went about it. If you can get 8 bolt throwers in a single battery, why not 8 cannons or 8 grudge throwers??

@OffToBattle Ай бұрын

I understand where you're coming from. I... don't think the unit is consequential enough they need to worry about it, but it's probably not the approach they should take with other units.

@loowick4074 Ай бұрын

Balance reason. And a bolt thrower is alot easier to make than a cannon. Easier ammo supply too. Just big spears. While for cannon you need powder, wick, shot etc etc As for grudge throwers the dwarfs waste too much time carving grudges on their ammo so 4 is all they can supply. This is only a semi-serious reply

@BalbazaktheGreat Ай бұрын

@@OffToBattle It may not be as inconsequential as you think... apparently the unit is now quite deadly vs other artillery batteries provided it can get into range. Haven't tested this myself to verify.

@BalbazaktheGreat Ай бұрын

@@loowick4074 Meh. In a game where you're restricted to 20 units in an army, the ability to effectively fit two units into a single unit slot is a big deal. Oversized units of goblins or zombies are thematically correct, but oversized Dwarf units? That just feels out of place, however you spin it.

@perrymeril Ай бұрын

@@BalbazaktheGreat the OLD bolt throwers unit was an artillery sniper, the new unit is more than capable. Any artillery that can turn more than twice the number of ogres into a fleeing pile of meat is frightening. Specially if said artillery unit has no frontline.