Are Boston Pianos Really Just Kawai Pianos?

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Alamo Music Center - Pianos and Keyboards

3 жыл бұрын

Designed by Steinway & Sons but made by Kawai. Are Boston pianos really just Kawai pianos? Well...yes, but actually no. Boston is a company and brand owned by Steinway & Sons and you will see the phrase “designed by Steinway & Sons” blazoned across the fallboard. Steinway created Boston Pianos so they could offer a piano at a lower price point than their pricier standard line and Boston pianos fall in the midpoint of pricing between a Steinway piano and their lower-priced Essex piano. Although manufactured by Kawai, Boston pianos employ many different design elements. For example, Boston uses traditional all wooden action, while Kawai’s grand pianos use the Millennium III Carbon Fiber enhanced action. Today we have for comparison Boston 5’1” GP-156 and 5’5” Kawai GX-30, both Japanese built entry-line pianos manufactured by Kawai. As usual, we additionally suggest going to see and play these instruments in person but let's take a look and listen to find out if a Boston piano is really just a Kawai piano.
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@Th_RealDirtyDan 3 жыл бұрын

Call me crazy but I prefer Boston over Steinway... might be a model to model basis but the Boston is still my favorite piano

@Zoco101 2 жыл бұрын

In the Merriam Pianos comparitive review I preferred the Boston, but I didn't in this review. In the Merriam they are both 5'11 I think. Actually, the bass notes on this little Boston here sounded a bit off. Out of tune?

@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful 2 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way. Although I like the Kawai better than the Boston. It just seems slightly warmer to me, and I like warm over bright.

@ec3725 2 жыл бұрын

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@originalstarwalker21 2 жыл бұрын

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@pastorwaltercross3891 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful thank you

@2Hearts3 2 жыл бұрын

To my ear, the Boston sounds like a practice room upright (maybe a Hamilton!) compared to the more rounded, warm tone of Kawai. Thanks for posting this side-by-side comparison.

@Cognazzo95 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's equally important to consider the environment these pianos are being recorded in. They will sound different in a carpeted room in comparison to a room with vinyl or hardwood floors or a room with a vaulted ceiling in comparison to a flat one.

@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you making sure you don't get the piano sick.

@Er-sv5tn 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Johinnaoji 3 жыл бұрын

It's a difficult comparison. The Boston doesn't sound like it was tuned, thus losing some tonal clarity. And the GL-30 cost about 5k more than the GP-156.

@philosophiaentis5612 Жыл бұрын

Both sounds out of tune to my ears.

@tueseinfach896 Жыл бұрын

In Germany it is the other way around, there the Boston costs 5k more than the Kawai.

@keithcloyd6097 3 жыл бұрын

Personal, I don't think you chose the best music to evaluate the sounds of both pianos. Something classical that covers the entire range of the piano.

@theroninpianist4443 3 жыл бұрын

To me it sounds like in the Kawai it is easier to get the pianissimo sound than the Boston and on the Boston it would be easier to get a fortissimo.

@benjaminsmith2287 3 жыл бұрын

The Boston 163 should be compared to the Kawai GL30. It's closer in size. This comparison favors Kawai. I personally Kawai better but I think the pianos should be as similar in size as possible. Also, Boston competes with the Kawai GX line, the conservatory line, not so much Kawai's entry-level grand GL line. Bostons aren't inexpensive when you get to 5 foot 11 inches and above. Essex is the more affordable "Steinway" line.

@todd-leepatterson8077 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a Kawai. Haha. Designed by Steinway, built by Kawai.

@historyfan0651 Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Also, you seem to be on every piano video by the piano forever or any other piano related video, and I always see you on piano related quora’s. You are everywhere!

@marcusvaldes 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job with the recording of the audio samples. They both sound satisfactory to me. I'd likely buy the Kawai as it isn't a marketing ploy like the Boston is.

@seandoherty925 3 жыл бұрын

I like the sound of the Boston. I think it has similarities to the familiar Steinway sound which appeal. Having listened to both here however, the Kawai sounds really nice. I think after a little more exposure I would be hooked and it definitely offers a better price/value proposition. Thanks for the comparison!

@tuanpiano 3 жыл бұрын

That is a marketting branch, Boston is onother way to use branch STAINWAY & SONS to earn more money :)

@kylemiller3386 3 жыл бұрын

In my last year of university, they replaced all of the practice room pianos with Bostons. In my experience, the actions all felt very stiff and heavy. It made it difficult to achieve subtlety, and every practice session was a workout. The Boston did have a lovely sound overall (very rich tone), but personally, I prefer the kawai. The Boston sounds a little too mellow for my taste, while the kawai has a beautiful clean and bright color

@todd-leepatterson8077 2 жыл бұрын

Kawai isn’t going to put the same amount of work In the Boston as they would their own line.

@ScaramouchedaVinci 11 ай бұрын

I had 2 Boston grand pianos. At the beginning it wasn't so good, also stiff, but after tuning and great voicing it became fantastic. So there's still a lot of room for improvement at Boston.

@kevintran1070 3 жыл бұрын

The Kawai sounds so beautifully!

@eddiehuss5707 Жыл бұрын

The Kawai had a nicer sound, more of a "round" sound, or bell like. I would like the nice action as well, since that is very important . I have an old Steinway that has a good action, with , nice repetition. Although it is not the accelerated action that Steinway built starting the late 1930s, it is still nice. I would like to play the Kawai someday. I also play a 1970s Mason and Hamlin, 5'4" (?) that has a dull sound and the action is not as responsive as Steinway. The Mason and Hamlin pedal sits higher off the floor which makes it uncomfortable to play.

@echochambers777 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review. Both pianos sounds great to me. At some parts the Kawai is better. Sometimes the Boston is. Maybe slight edge to Kawai overall. That said, for the future it seems a better comparison would be to focus on similar sized grands - say the Boston GP 163 (5'"4) vs the Kawai GL 30 (5'"5), not where they're made. This is key for Boston, because it's selling feature is that their grands sound bigger / richer in size due to the tail design. By going with the smallest Boston in this case, you're taking that so-called advantage over a similar sized Kawai (in this case) out of the comparison. Not necessarily fair in my view. Also, can you do the comparisons in the exact same location / room setup to negate any room acoustic difference (I realize that's not always possible). That said, keep up the good reviews and discussions. Very informative.

@ramonrivera7888 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the review!! Boston pianos sound very nice!!! 👍👍

@clydebermingham121 3 жыл бұрын

I guess maybe is it like asking is there a difference between a Bösendorfer & a Yamaha ? Since Yamaha purchased the Bosendorfer company? 🙏🏽

@benjaminsmith2287 3 жыл бұрын

It's different. Yamahas are built by Yamaha in Japan or Indonesia. Bosendorfers are built by Bosendorfer in Austria. Bosendorfers aren't built by Yamaha. There are some Bosendorfer strings in a European Yamaha upright, but mostly they use different parts. Steinway designs the Boston but Kawai builds them.

@juniorlucio 3 жыл бұрын

Not totally true. Bosendorfers are designed to have a powerful and rich sound. Yamahas have a crystal and bright sound. Despite Yamaha owns Bosendorfer, they are still having totally different built process, which maintains that sound difference i just mentioned.

@benjaminsmith2287 3 жыл бұрын

@@juniorlucio Yamahas are taking on more of Bosendorfer sound characteristics now. Whether or not it is due to them examining Bosendorfer pianos and owning the company or not, Yamaha's sound palette transformed with the CFX and that trickled down to the CX and influenced the SX pianos as well. But, yes, I agree. The two are mostly separate and Bosendorfer builds their own pianos and Yamaha their own.

@tuanpiano 3 жыл бұрын

The Kawai win!

@parkthoven 2 жыл бұрын

Well, it'd be interesting if we try blind test the two~~:)

@tnmtemerity 2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to know what Steinway patients are used in the Boston.

@LucieGrandPiano 2 жыл бұрын

Please the Name of the song a-t-il 12:43….it seems Dustin O’Halloran…

@YoToddYo 2 жыл бұрын

So how much do they cost?

@frederickchao 3 жыл бұрын

I was surprised how much more I liked the Kawai over the Boston. The tone of the Kawai was beautiful and the Boston was thin. It could be the few more inches of length that made the difference. I see that the Kawaii GL-30 is about $5,000 more expensive than the Boston GP156.

@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags Жыл бұрын

I love my Boston 178... but I'm new to playing, learning how to play... people who come here from my church tell me they think my Boston is much better than the church's 10 ft Steinway they said the Steinway at church plays like a truck and they hate it so they like mine the way mine plays and sounds better so I don't know...I had a QRS player system added, plus a stop rail is being added soon..I love having the QRS player system and the added "strings" make it sound incredible...plus I can record anything that one can play...then add to it making 4 hands...I was practicing 3 to 4 hours per day but a failed spinal fusion causes too much pain to sit for more than 30 mins...I'm very sad about this.

@ecoRfan Жыл бұрын

Boston definitely brighter sounding.

@viphomeconcerts Жыл бұрын

@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags , I bought a gp178 too and really love the quality for the price. It is about as small a piano as you can have and still have a decent bass sound. My only complaint is the action is a little heavy, but the upside is It is very consistent and even. Very durable piano with good volume and size economy. I hope you will be able to get back to playing soon.

@EntertainmentWithHimal Жыл бұрын

@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags aww I hope you're okay now ❤️

@delanobersan7344 Жыл бұрын

@@viphomeconcertsIt still heavy? They need some time, maybe years, to roll smoothie

@TanjaStoyan 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. I always find the Kawai sound "phumpy" and flat when compared to the Steinway sound. Steinway sounds much more open and exansive to me. I own an Essex piano, and contemplating to upgrading to a Boston at some point in the future. Steinway gives the option to upgrade within the line by trading in the piano of lesser value for full price!

@PassionPno 2 жыл бұрын

Essex is shit. Lmao.

@gustavopaulette3496 2 жыл бұрын

Shame on you for having a cheap Essex

@ApostolosK06 2 жыл бұрын

@@gustavopaulette3496 lolz

@ian757 3 жыл бұрын

The Boston was so out of tune in the bass that it sounded almost like a Honky Tonk piano! Not able to make any assessment because of that. Please redo this but with properly tuned pianos and maybe a closer size match.

@AL-pu7ux 3 жыл бұрын

I closed my eyes and couldn’t guess. It would have to come down to the action. If the plastic feels different it would be a dealbreaker

@smuggyduggy3170 3 жыл бұрын

I bought a Boston...very unsatisfied.Sold it after 3 months.Its unfortunate that Steinway has put there name on an inferior product to their own building standards. You must ask yourself , why wouldn't Steinway just build these in their own factory in New York ? Notice the comments section are turned "off" on the official Boston / Steinway site ..hmmm

@Petro00D Жыл бұрын

Is Boston the equivalent to the Kawai GL series or the GX series?

@matthisalbert Ай бұрын

Good question would like to know too

@FIFIx30 2 жыл бұрын

Despite steinways, I played both boston and essex at their salon. Not only by sound, but also touch those two weren't even close enough. Though, I haven't got comparison side by side to yamaha cx3, I think boston (compared length) would fail with big margin. (Remember I was disgusted by essex but boston was just "meh", and I know steinways were around but...).

@JoeLinux2000 3 жыл бұрын

My opinion is the Boston is the lesser of the two. Boston is built by Kawai, but the design is substandard. It's not a Steinway either.

@ruperttmls7985 2 жыл бұрын

Its a cheat… the same with Essex-Pianos, made by Pearl River but Steinway prices 🙄🙄

@brentwitten3237 2 жыл бұрын

@@ruperttmls7985 The Essex 5' grand is approximately $40,000 cheaper than a Steinway 5'1 model. How is that a Steinway price? Every major company has had second line offerings that the average buyer could afford. They're not cheating anyone as long as the salesman is up front about who are where they are manufactured.

@Genevieve8002 6 ай бұрын

I know little about either model. I’m an adult piano learner, started my journey nearly 17 months ago. To me, the Kawaii has a much more balanced sound, especially when you’re playing the bass notes with middle range melodies on top - the Kawaii sound, literally cuddles me!!Yep, Kawaii for me!!

@noone-uw6ui 3 жыл бұрын

its more than a feeling

@mt-nv4jd 2 жыл бұрын

"Just a Kawai." Well, I for one would be pleased to own one.

@kaygnp 2 жыл бұрын

The Kawai sounds nice from the bottom key to the highest... All sound more ballanced

@bassface84 3 жыл бұрын

demo starts @8:17

@alissonrose97 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@markmusic8276 3 жыл бұрын

Am buy a kawai n 506 just wanted to know if am making a good decision ?

@pianoplayer2516 Жыл бұрын

Having played both, a Kawai is a better purchase.

@philosophicallyspeaking6463 Жыл бұрын

How much voicing have they received, and was that voicing towards or away from the brand? There is...insufficient music here to 'challenge' either instrument I'm afraid. It's hard to judge the relative registers of each instrument if you don't demand the complexity of resonances that cause and reveal the success of failure of each instrument's scale, otherwise a music box will as well amplify single tones distanced from one another 'intervallicly'. As they are, the Boston sounds like a capable American piano, while the Kawai sounds like a 'better' European piano. If you like Baldwin, Mason & Hamilin and New York Steinway you'll likely gravitate towards the Boston, but if you like Bosendorfer, Schimmel, or Bechstein, you'll likely find similar roots in the Kawai.

@stevesmith1493 2 жыл бұрын

Playing starts at 8:20

@lee200012 3 жыл бұрын

what is the name of the piece 17:13 ?

@LucieGrandPiano 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to Know…..is it Dustin O’Halloran’s piece…..which One please?

@Puran. 9 күн бұрын

Hey, did you find that song? I’m also looking for it."@@LucieGrandPiano

@LucieGrandPiano 9 күн бұрын

@@Puran. no body responded me…sorry

@dslape86 3 жыл бұрын

Name of the song at 12:07?

@Ray_Yang182 Жыл бұрын

Here is the Essex recorded with an iPhone kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLBlh7qmmN_Kgac.html

@tueseinfach896 Жыл бұрын

In Germany, the Boston costs 29k. For that price you get a restored Steinway M or O from the beginning of the last century. In my opinion the better choice.

@ivorystroker 3 жыл бұрын

NO ...Bostons are NOT Kawai pianos ! I bought(6 months ago) an upright 118s from the original buyer, who bought it new in 2007.He was an older gentleman who never learned to play it. I owned a 1996 Kawai upright previously ...in my opinion , my 2007 118s , so far, does not seem very stable as far as maintaining tuning stability. I'm going to give it another 6 months with further tunings . The piano has a dampchaser and is in a stable environment , well insulated home, on an inside wall.I did find out my 118s is made in Indonesia, my 1996 Kawai was made in Japan. All things considered, Boston claims both factories produce pianos with the same specs, materials and quality.Lastly , I realize we are not dealing with their grand piano level price point, but this 118s sold for $7000 in 2007 so at that price point it should perform. The general appearance of the 118s is beautiful , still in like new condition,the action is very good , the voicing is rather impressive..I so much am hoping the piano will mechaniclly match its appearance ,but like I said , I'll give it another season or so and if it does not submit...she's out the door... I'll report back in 6-12 months

@trymacslover911 3 жыл бұрын

bought a 126 today :)

@jen43072 Жыл бұрын

How did this turn out? Did you keep the piano?

@delanobersan7344 Жыл бұрын

A never played piano is worst than a played everyday.

@amlecciones 3 жыл бұрын

Pianos are so expensive! And beautiful.

@irinaprimakova448 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely, Boston for me. The sound is much brighter, more alive. I guess, I am old school, prefer the real wood.

@drfisheye 6 ай бұрын

Both use wood for everything that makes the sound. The action doesn't make a sound and you don't want it to change by temperature and moisture, so a carbon fiber action makes sense. Like the tuning pins aren't made of wood either.

@cabotcat1 3 жыл бұрын

The Kawai sounds sooooo much better.

@sirmaxwellvonfleckenstein5376 5 ай бұрын

Kawai had a better tone, but it is 10 more cm in length. Also not a fan of the close micing - there is no bloom in the piano recordings.

@delanobersan7344 Жыл бұрын

The Boston Grand are made in Kawai JAPAN, not Indonesia.

@HorseFromHell 2 жыл бұрын

I can tell a lot of the people watching this video have no idea when it comes to Piano. You need to play it to hear what it sounds like, not listen on your iPhone….

@alfredogomezluna9368 3 жыл бұрын

Definetly Kawai has a better sound. Loved it

@loubody3723 3 жыл бұрын

The Kawai has a fuller, richer sound than does the Boston. For my money, and my home, there is nothing finer than my K. Kawai. It has the best action of any piano I’ve ever played. I wouldn’t trade it for 2 Boston’s or 2 Yamaha’s for that matter.

@clydebermingham121 3 жыл бұрын

Really ? Thanks for sharing that testimony 🙏🏽💥👍🏾. I’ll have to make personally comparison. 🙏🏽

@vickiehorowitz1934 2 жыл бұрын

I'm.with you there. I enjoy aging a y of Kawai's pianos with that amazing. Illegal immigrants action. I was "meh" about it until I aged several over the weekend d - an SK 2 Shigeru, gx-2 and even one from the gl line. Yeah, the Shigeru was AMAZING, but all had that same incredible action

@GonzoTheRosarian 9 ай бұрын

Kawai for me.

@mohammedrokaya1625 3 жыл бұрын

The Boston sounds a little heavier/darker The Kawai sounds a little brighter Edit: i rewatched and i can't see the difference anymore Wtf?!

@grzegorztomasiak 3 жыл бұрын

KAWAI FTW!

@ruperttmls7985 2 жыл бұрын

Made by Kawai… but Steinway high prices 🤣🤣🤣

@zzp1 2 жыл бұрын

One can design a Guarneri, using the parameters of the master. That will, however, not say that the created instrument will sound the same. It is all a matter of materials and craftmanship!

@anrianri1205 2 жыл бұрын

I have Boston and i have kawai I prefer kawai

@nikbuckingham1132 3 жыл бұрын

Like the Kawai sound. The Boston sounds like an old timey saloon piano.

@elmerwilliamson1970 3 жыл бұрын

Kawai wins by a landslide! When I bought my new Kawai RX 3 I tried out Boston 178. Kawai sounded better, was far less money. Kawai dealer put it in perspective: Everyone knows Kawai makes Boston. Why would they manufacture a stencil branded piano that played and sounded better than their namesake brand?

@mroaquin 3 жыл бұрын

Because.. money?

@KevinR3i 2 жыл бұрын

You do not compare Kawais GX or RX model with Boston. Those pianos are a factory-machine build of the handcrafted Shigeru Kawai. That it can be voiced by Kawai Piano Artisan to sound like Shigeru. Therefore it's competition is Steinway & Sons.

@ronartest7748 26 күн бұрын

boston is a boombox in a cabinet

@todd-leepatterson8077 2 жыл бұрын

Designed by Steinway, built by Kawai. The Boston’s are made at Kawai. Im a former piano salesman, this is the fact of the matter. So, there’s that. He said that, and it is the truth.

@user-ve7hx3hw1y 3 ай бұрын

Tough to compare two pianos when neither is in tune. The Boston particularly so.

@MadisonTen 3 жыл бұрын

Both sound slightly out of tune in the lower registers. Possibly emphasised by the microphones. So impossible to choose.

@michelprimeau4531 3 жыл бұрын

So there is Essex (China), Boston (Indonesia/Japan) and Steinway (Germany/USA). So budget wise, Boston might be the best choice if I really really really want to boast that I'm part of the Steinway family...

@benedictdsilva3954 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly both are average... Generally Boston sounds better...but this particular piece is not good...and GL 30 is not the to be compared...it should be GX 1 at least..GL is the lower series..( ofcourse Shigeru Kawai is higher up )

@benjaminsmith2287 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. GX1 to GP-163 should be the comparison.

@stevenbeer6005 11 ай бұрын

No comparison, kawai so much richer sound!

@qwincyq6412 3 жыл бұрын

The Boston has a metallic edge to the sound. The Kawai is far richer and warmer especially in the middle and upper registers. Boston sounds nothing like a Steinway, even a poor man’s Steinway. As a bonus the Kawai has the carbon fibre action. Buy the real Kawai, not something built for the competition.

@MystiqWisdom Жыл бұрын

Man, you put it better than I could have. This is exactly what I noticed. I'm trying not to be biased when listening.

@mroaquin 3 жыл бұрын

People forget that a good technician can voice a piano up or down according to your taste.

@nikbuckingham1132 3 жыл бұрын

that doesn't make sense

@mroaquin 3 жыл бұрын

@@nikbuckingham1132 voicing the hammers to adjust the tone? Mellow vs. Bright?

@frederickchao 3 жыл бұрын

@@nikbuckingham1132 Mark is correct. A technician can do many things to voice a piano. My technician works on the hammers when he tunes my piano to achieve just the right tone on each note. A top level technician can also regulate the touch of the piano to make the action heavier or lighter to the player's taste. Having said that, there are still qualities that make one piano different from others.

@call_me_rushy Жыл бұрын

Me who has no idea what either of those Ok

@user-xxxxxn 11 ай бұрын

the boston wasn't tuned.

@jisyang8781 3 жыл бұрын

No sane business will manufacture superior products for its competitor.

@stevenreed5786 3 жыл бұрын

Good point. I wonder if Kawai's marketing research determined that Steinway type buyers would not consider a Kawai.

@bikedawg 2 жыл бұрын

The Kawai sounds nasally.

@juniorlucio 3 жыл бұрын

Kawai has an extreme crystal and clear sound. Specially in the high notes. Im not saying Bostons are bad, because they're really not, but it is perfect clear that Kawai is much superior.

@saufiwahid2506 6 ай бұрын

To my ear Boston more on bright sound and Kawai more on mellow sound

@tzyijiang9884 2 жыл бұрын

It is pronounced Ka-wa-i, similar to Hawaii.

@PassionPno 2 жыл бұрын

That's what you think because you're pronouncing Hawai'i wrong.

@nowkentapplegate5315 Жыл бұрын

The Boston was out of tune so it was hard to hear its voice.

@Er-sv5tn 2 жыл бұрын

Why are you wearing a mask while playing the piano?

@philosophiaentis5612 Жыл бұрын

Isn’t those pianos out of tune?

@pianospectra 3 жыл бұрын

Yea this some dumb composition repeated over and over. Dynamic range? Really need some work on your touch if you want to showcase different pianos.

@Ted655687653 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I couldn't even listen to the pianos because the performance is such a challenge to appreciate.

@williammason7100 Жыл бұрын

Boston has wooden parts. Kawaii has plastic parts.

@drfisheye 6 ай бұрын

Expensive sports cars use carbon fiber because it's much stiffer and stable than wood. And you want stability in the action parts of a piano. Which is why Kawai uses carbon fiber.

@myboibill 2 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of either. They lack depth and sound cheap.

@robertbangkok 3 жыл бұрын

It's impossible to judge when the Boston was so painfully out of tune. Unlistenable. And the bass note on the Kawai - same issue.

@TheDrakulie 3 жыл бұрын

Kawai has better tone and depth

@donkgated8074 3 жыл бұрын

Answer: no. They're WORSE than Kawai. Steinway doesn't care about Bostons as long as they make money and Kawai can't be bothered making them properly.

@williammason7100 Жыл бұрын

Boston has a much better tone. Kawaii is to high toned.