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Are Crossbows Getting TOO POWERFUL?
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7 ай бұрынTenPoint just announced a 515 feet per second crossbow! Is that too powerful?
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@silverstreak232 7 ай бұрын
Hi Rich. I'd like to say how much I appreciate your content. In fact it was coming across your podcasts a couple of years ago that sparked my interest in crossbows, and now I'm hooked! Anyway, after listening to this episode a couple of times, I have one question for the nay sayers in the vertical bow crowd. Would they settle for slower, more antiquated equipment for themselves. Are they willing to give up their modern compound bows and accessories and resort to hunting with long bows and recurves only? And use handmade arrowheads? No! they won't. Even they understand that progress doesn't mean going backwards. and progress isn't necessarily a bad thing. In my opinion it's the allowance of crossbows and it's newer innovations that is attracting newer, younger hunters to the field. It definitely makes my hunting experience more enjoyable. Thanks again for turning me on to crossbows and have a great day!
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Great points here, thank you!
@quantumfx2677 6 ай бұрын
It's all about Ego! I have heard crazy comments and sure everyone has too, Real hunters don't use crossbows, crossbows are cheating, this is archery that takes real skill by using a real bow, crossbows are wounding more deer because unskilled people are shooting way to far and I'm sure I missed a few. So many of these comments can be picked apart. But isn't that what we want more accurate ways of taking down an animal? I bet we have had more wounded deer by compound bows way more than any crossbows. We are not in the stone age anymore and yes, crossbow or any bow you still have to have skills to be a hunter and I will always go for whatever allows me to make an accurate as possible clean kill and sticking to my crossbow.
@robertpeet3781 6 ай бұрын
Many give up compounds and go to recuves and long bows , it show how much you know, you want to make it as easy as you can , challenge os a word not on your vocabulary, why not use a gun it the same thing and you know it , you just wont admit it.......
@PaulOgie 6 ай бұрын
@@quantumfx2677you've heard crazy comments and I've heard crazy EXCUSES. Crossbows are a cop out. 90% of archery hunting is getting the draw, having good form and making a good shot WITHOUT BEING DETECTED. It took me 2 arrows to sight in my son's (10 years old) crossbow. The third was a Robin Hood. While you can make the clean ethical kill EXCUSE all day long there is NO SKILL in crossbow. That's why they are not recognized in any reputable archery organizations. I know. I've used both. Crossbows are for people who don't have enough skill for archery. And yes, they take the same unethical shots turkey hunters do with TSS. It's a cop out for weak pathetic hunters with minimal skills. My son graduated to a REAL bow because even he knew(on his own) that crossbow was for pathetic weaklings.
@PaulOgie 6 ай бұрын
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@MichaelLakota-vc4tk 2 күн бұрын
Hey Rich it’s Mike (the reason you made this video). Just wanted to say thank you and your 400-400 philosophy is perfect! MPO Have a great day 😀
@richardscroggins2096 7 ай бұрын
I got a new crossbow last season and chose to stay under 400 FPS even though I spent well over $1000 and could have gotten a much faster bow for that price. Watching this channel was a part of that decision. People were having so many problems with broken limbs and I just didn't want that to be an issue. I wanted a de-cocking crossbow and I put the extra money toward that and I am very happy with the choice. I don't know if you can have "too much" power, but I certainly think you can have enough power to get the job done even in a lower powered crossbow.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
A very good point! Thanks for watching too!
@baileymichael4326 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 I got a Killer Instinct for $200 400 ft per second and it's very accurate at 50 yards and more
@JohnDoeEagle1 7 ай бұрын
So you chose the standard Mission Sub-1 over the higher speed XR model too?! Same here!
@kurtglo 7 ай бұрын
I personally think that too much power promotes problems, such as premature cable and center serving wear. This is why Excalibur has a large audience of whom I now belong to. I started 2023 with buying a Ravin and ended with an Excalibur. I've also purchased the X1 in between those two sales thanks to all the hype on crossbow nation. Power equals faster speeds which equals lots of s&c changes. Personally, I would rather have that Matrix hanging on your wall (which I also have) than I would the Swat X1 because it has been sent back to KI due to cable problems and burrs on the cam. With the Excalibur, I can work on it myself and not worry about it. Nice video Rich!!
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
It's not a Matrix lol
@kurtglo 7 ай бұрын
@@Deathbybunjie my bad, sorry!
@robertwhite3752 7 ай бұрын
Death by Bungie what a coincidence that Ten-Point has just released the new TRX 515 crossbow. The new crossbow is measuring just 29” short and 6” narrow, it features new twin risers that reduce riser flex and limb torq for greater down range accuracy, a newly developed custom built trigger tech trigger, a new zero trac barrel, an AR style ambidextrous safety, and new Centerpoint HPX carbon arrows with snap in knocks. And I’m sure as everybody knows by now for a small fortune it can be yours. Here we go again fellas. As usual, what a great talking point, and a great video for us crossbow hunters. Thanks for all you do Rich.
@MichaelLakota-vc4tk 7 ай бұрын
Thank you Rich for not only addressing this issue but also for thinking it through! I honestly believe that if we shoot the manufacturers recommendations you will have no problems. But…. If you do there is a ton of wasted energy and I personally think that is hard on the equipment. Now that I’m trying different types of setups I have also found that the heavier the arrow the nocks wear them selves to the point of being loose after only a few shots. Thank you again for addressing my concerns and I will keep in touch with you and my test results 👍🏻 ! I truly do love this channel!! Thanks again Rich! Mike
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
You're bringing up another great topic and that is nocks! People don't realize how much energy is forced upon that nock, and what that means. We've seen failures, and that is definitely a piece of equipment that takes a lot of abuse from these Ultra Modern speeds! Seems like they're doing a pretty good job overall with them though.
@MichaelLakota-vc4tk 7 ай бұрын
@@Deathbybunjie agreed
@robertwhite3752 7 ай бұрын
Well, now Ten-Point has a new snap in knock style carbon arrow with their new TRX 515 crossbow. So it looks like at least they are starting to address this issue on their end. Although I must say with their newer knock design before these new snap in ones, I’ve personally never had an issue with their knocks.
@billprager1566 7 ай бұрын
Great video rich,bad season for me,work in health care ,and got covid x2 in a 3month period, got out 12 hours the whole season,hoping I'm well for spring turkey season try to bag one with cross bow.Congrats on your fine season
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Good luck!
@johnnyrook6371 6 ай бұрын
I first came across your channel many years ago. It's nice to see how it has grown and matured! Good work!
@JimmyDickens1 7 ай бұрын
Love the grips, Rich! Happy to see you showing support for your law enforcement colleagues.
@brianmiller1149 7 ай бұрын
I compete in the IBO and ASA with my KI X-1. I have to detune it to get down to 350 fps with a 450 grain arrow for IBO. I have put over 10,000 shots on a set of limbs. I really think 350 fps is a sweet spot for today’s materials. The bow is very quiet. I have not shot a deer yet that I didn’t get total penetration. I shot a Scorpyd Aculeus with the heaviest limbs they made. It was a pain in the butt. Very loud, and tore up my target. The same bow with 130 pound limbs was much nicer to work with. Your video is quite refreshing in the world of 515 fps crossbows.
@JessicaSimonson1976 6 ай бұрын
I just looked at crossbows yesterday. I am contemplating on buying my first.
@roberthomiak5003 13 күн бұрын
Thank you you are appreciated and you're something about children can watch I really appreciate you
@briansupermag3918 7 ай бұрын
MHO short answer is No. Elaboration is.... More speed gets us more range for ethical easy shots. Gets us less time to impact so less ducking. Gets us more forgiveness for bad shots to reach vitals such as very hard quartering away where u have to penetrate lots of deer to get to the vitals. I never worry about shoulders as I love a quartering too deer to bust through that shoulder. I just like the increased range the speed it affords us.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
100%
@iBleedStarsAndBars 5 ай бұрын
Tenpoint is killing my wallet with the new 515. I have 3 tenpoints already but really want the railess model. I have found on the new bows that serving wear from the rail to be the killer of strings. Great video as usual, thank you
@Deathbybunjie 5 ай бұрын
Lol I get it 💯
@diyonthefly 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant video. Im a long time archer and was given a KI Bone Collector 405 for Christmas from my wife. Never had a crossbow other than the cheap pistol version found on ebay. Im trying to Nerd out before I start sighting & targeting. I May even get back into harvesting..... been 23 years since Ive been hunting. Thank you for your time and research.
@Deathbybunjie 6 ай бұрын
Good luck out there!
@linescum444 7 ай бұрын
Good vid i just recently picked a new used matrix 380 and i gotta say wow what a beast???years ago a buddy of mine had an exocet excaliber 200lb draw and after deer season he put bow in case cocked ,safty on no arrow and he forgot about it for the whole year till next season,he pulled it out couldn't believe he did that ,he put arrow in it and fired it, bang on ,shot another same spot and he went hunting never had a problem????older excalibers❤
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Oh yeah Bunjie approves
@baileymichael4326 7 ай бұрын
Hey how you doing my friend how was your Christmas and New Year's I got $200 Killer Instinct it's just 400 ft per second and I think it works great me personally I feel I don't need any more power especially being a beginner that's why your videos are so helpful thank you Mikey Daytona Beach Florida
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
That sounds like a perfect setup to me! Thanks and good luck down there.
@douglasborgaro6801 7 ай бұрын
There have been a couple of trolls commenting in this chat area. They’re talking about the same wrongheaded ideas while declaring themselves as experts with the final word that all of us should follow. We are all students of the craft of hunting. We never stop learning. It doesn’t matter if you have your own tv show or not. There are too many that look to themselves as the last word of everything. Mores the pity. Crossbow technology continues to evolve and we all have choices. Isn’t that part of what America is all about?
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I don't disagree. We should let people choose what they want to hunt with that's for sure. Why some people think the line should be drawn at this speed or that speed, I don't get it.
@darrontabor3139 7 ай бұрын
Great video, as usual. As I posted on your Facebook post about the new bows coming out, I think we are starting to encroach on the limits of the materials being used. That energy is reeking havoc on the components. That being said, I have a 2023 Nitro 505 and love it so far. Its holding up. I got custom arrows from AJs and have a total arrow weight of 491 gr. I have only estimated the speed based on the TP tested speed minus each fps of my heavier arrows and came up with about 487 fps. Thats over 100% efficiency on your website calculator. Hoping this bow will last me many seasons without too much wear and tear. I see on the CBN forum that One Eyed Archer appears to have gotten rid of his 505!
@denissmith7434 7 ай бұрын
Same thing happened a few years ago with compound bow was all about speed i don't think we need more speed.I want a safe,reliable,bow that will shoot very well out to 40yds and not break the bank by the way love my swat x1
@Popularshorts83 7 ай бұрын
Hi Rich, love the channel! I believe there is a trade of speed vs accuracy…I’ll take the OG on the wall any day of the week! It’s proven and how much speed do you really need? The recurve crossbows simplicity is undeniable and accuracy repeatable. Crossbows are tools that need to be dependable…compound wheels and cables shooting over 350 fps w/electronic range finding scopes tend to make things harder not easier in my experience. Simplicity is key but to each their own…Ive had speed bows but my favorite bows have been my Excalibur 308 shorts probably near Bunjie’s speed and absolutely no complaints here…
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I can understand that, I really can, but there is no comparison between 300 ft per second and 400 ft per second. Look at the deer I killed at 22 yards at 263 feet per second and compare that with the deer I killed at 32 yards. I could not have killed that deer at 32 yards with that old crossbow. I really believe that. That would have ended badly.
@Popularshorts83 7 ай бұрын
I can appreciate that Rich! No doubt technology is beautiful thing. I can’t necessarily explain it, but there’s a definite cool factor shooting recurves bow or crossbow knowing this is similar to what our ancestors used going all the way back in time!
@ieatcaribou7852 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. It's a great start to 2024!
@jrd8640 Ай бұрын
The best time to shoot animal is when the head is down eating cause they are already close to ground and can’t drop to load legs as much.
@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын
But watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNWCdtWf0dCUiac.htmlsi=qjIS7BE59DneKTtH
@gixxerrydder 7 ай бұрын
Love the Ravin 29x I ran over the season. Pretty fast at 457 fps and does major damage on animals. I added the Integrated Garmin X1i and it's just too easy. Very nice hunting rig. Great video Bunjie as always.
@kienton6795 7 ай бұрын
Deer tags generates money. I don't think they care about how fast a crossbow shoots as long as they are selling tags!
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
100% agree
@lisandromurphy6894 7 ай бұрын
Great job. Keep up the great work and looking forward to your future videos.
@jimjordan5630 7 ай бұрын
Another good and informative video! Happy New Year to you, your wife and Genevieve!
@congerthomas1812 7 ай бұрын
Spine shot from stand is my favorite shot. Nothing has walked away.
@billgalante1181 7 ай бұрын
Great video, keep up the good work , Rich. Appreciate all your hard work.
@douglasborgaro6801 7 ай бұрын
As to blood trails with ultra modern speed, the 505 has created blood explosions against trees, limbs, brush and the ground. The trails I’ve seen were to the point of slippery in the woods! 😂
@erikbrazzale6978 7 ай бұрын
I have a siege 410. I am using 150 grain sevr broadheads with the factory arrows. Total is 450 grains. The 3 deer I took with it in the last 2 years the furthest went 56 yards from me. I watched all of them drop. I saw the new 515 ten point and thought that was insane.
@user-pb5du1tj5e 2 ай бұрын
It's awesome that they make such powerful crossbows but honestly I don't see much need in them when hunting my Excalibur throws at 330 and that seems to be plenty with the right bolts and tips 😁👍♥️🇺🇲🙏
@Deathbybunjie 2 ай бұрын
I've been there, too. I just suggest using a more modern one and see for yourself though.
@user-mk1yq9mu2n 7 ай бұрын
First love the Quiet Riot reference! Second great topic, I live in Massachusetts where you can only hunt with crossbows if you have a permanent disability. I have an injury to my shoulder that required me to make the switch as my shoulder started to dislocate when I was at full draw. I’m looking at crossbows and really have focused on the ravin 500, nitro 505, now the trx 515, this gives me something to think about. I still like the idea of getting there faster with greater kinetic energy. Also like the reverse draw styles. Lots to evaluate here.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Video on 10 point coming out soon
@douglasborgaro6801 6 ай бұрын
Crossbows are not comparable to firearms. This is true not only in the legal definition, but by practical and hands on standards. Those who try to define what or how hunting “should be” for everyone, routinely fall short in their judgment and understanding many of the issues. Crossbows have been fully included into the fabric of hunting. No one will take away crossbows anymore than they will take away hunting completely. Money does make the world go around. Hunters and the service they provide is to vital to take away. If you live your life based on what makes others happy or live in such a way as to not make some mad, what life are you living? The problems that arise from those who take shots that are too long, or commit other indiscretions is far more about the individual hunter. That’s something that has existed long before any of us were around. People can be imperfect to one degree or another. I hope for a day when antagonists can relax and pay attention to their own business. Or perhaps even support all hunters, wether or not they choose to hunt with a different type of weapon. Hunting is a tradition! A important one at that! This tradition is applied in personal way, based on many individual aspects and teaching experiences. All hail Bunjie!!
@rwmack3523 7 ай бұрын
Just to note, that's a genius idea of soaking up some of that kinetic force by not using a swhacker broadhead that penetrates before opening with something like a rage or cut-on-contact that uses hide resistance to open a larger entry cut. Might I suggest the muzzy trocan hbx hybrid broadheads for that? You've got the added resistance of substantial bleeder blades with the nearly 2" cut of the expandables. That's a lot of cut entering an animal to soak up some of that kinetic power. If you're gonna overpenetrate, it makes sense to put some resistance on entry and get a larger entry hole with the almost guaranteed large exit hole.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
That's a broadhead I'd look at closely, 💯
@EHM0341 6 ай бұрын
I have a question for you to explore, if you haven't already. What is the bare minimum needed to kill a deer? What is the bare minimum crossbow power and bare minimum arrow weight to send an arrow downrange and will pass through a deer at 60 yards max? I live by the philosophy of match the tool to the job you hope to accomplish, a minimalists perspective. In other words, what is the point of driving a Corvette, Porsche, or Lambo when you can only drive 55 on standard highways? Why drive a race car if you are not racing, or have access to a racetrack? Same concept with crossbows. Why would you bye a Porsche crossbow when your old Jalopy (Bunjie) did the job well enough? I love your videos, by the way. Good hunting to you.
@Deathbybunjie 6 ай бұрын
I kinda think Bunjie is the bare minimum lol and with a whole new world of crossbows, it makes no sense to use that IMO but my next video on budget crossbows covers this.
@pabloco091 7 ай бұрын
Awesome discussion, I really appreciate your take on the subject I shoot a parker Thunderhawk, 320 fps @400 grains so prolly alot slower with the 450's, and definitely gonna be slower with the 480's and 506's that I'm building as we speak, but its definitely dependable. I'm in a nuisance deer program so I get alot of practice. I'm a little fearful of some of these new high energy tools, so much energy. 400 seems to be a good number to me, maybe get one when my bean jar allows it.
@Dutch.1722 7 ай бұрын
Yes. You hit lots of points I was gonna make in comments. Alert deer duck bolts. Never shoot an alert deer with an archery device as you will miss or wound that deer. Use a firearm.. Its not just the noisy discharge of the crossbow. My 2003 Hoyt Ignite is sniffy compared to the amped. I never had issue with deer ducking arrows until I switched to the xbow. Its the person operating the trigger that alerts the deer by scent, noise, being seen, or stand noise. These modern crossbows are like airguns that shoot arrows. Both get an arrow a high velocity but its hard to slow them back down. Now I only own a Centerpoint Amped 415 xbow. With a 400 grain arrow it chronies at 380 fps. 425 runs 375 fps. The comment from the guy at shields is that the newer faster centerpoint models have issues with timing. Older ones are better. And arrows sometimes are easily found close to where deer got shot and some are lost. I lost 1 bolt the season and took 3 deer so far this season with the xbow. I dont have the loot for the state of the art as I am just a common man that can get it done. Its heavy but I compensate with a single point sling. I hunt in a saddle now as I feel safe. I will try blind hunting next year. Fashioning a blind from natural materials. Also grabbed a computer flat screen mount from work they were gonna pitch last week. I use this to make a crossbow shooting platform for the blind....so I don't have to hold it and it doesn't move around....but thats a different topic. Perhaps you need a common man series. Originally I was gonna sell this xbow to pawnshop when string went bad and buy a new one. But it does such a good job, I put a $150 string on it. Like I mentioned to you in the past, I zero at 20 yards with 3 bolts all numbered each shooting at a numbered corresponding 3/4 inch sticker dot at 20 yards. Then I go to 40 and 50 and refine poi with the speed dial on the scope. Still my rule is this side of 30 to 35 yard deer that are unalert. GOD BLESS
@Airon79 7 ай бұрын
I'm thinking that blowing on a caller , not a buck caller but maybe a songbird , crow , turkey , etc . , whilst shooting might mask the noise of crossbows and hopefully not alert the deer ? What are your experiences with calling ?
@brucezechman1557 7 ай бұрын
Yep you got that right my crossbow supposed to shoot 415 ft./s with my heavier bolt or arrow I’m only shooting 350 but I still have them at 50 yards I have one jump the arrow at 20 yards in between everything is fine
@oldpolak5203 7 ай бұрын
Great video ! We just bought a 380 fps Barnett and love it . Put a couple pairs of old jeans into a shoe box and tape it onto your target. Tell me if your crossbow penetrates that shoe box 😮
@ericsmith6443 7 ай бұрын
I’ve never heard the “slugs” before. Slugs of momentum?
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Yep, it's just the word used to measure it
@keiththompson2289 7 ай бұрын
If you step up in power, you'll also have to step up string and cable, and limb strengths. Our current strings and cables, and limbs are pushed to the max as is.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Definitely true with some models! The new 515 TP is 300lb draw, and some Excals are more than that I think. That's a lot.
@susanliggett3982 7 ай бұрын
Always excellent data to consider sir, in general I also lean toward speed as much as possible, if the deer is keyed up like the doe you shot with the OB it matters, the other doe did not react before impact, I always plan for a quick deer, crossbow speed is crucial, my crossbow set up is a Ripper 425 with a 290 grain bolt plus a Swhacker 2" cut 100 grain head, many deer harvested, always an exit. Flat, fast and accurate, it has worked great for me. -W. Liggett
@douglasborgaro6801 7 ай бұрын
I knew this discussion would emerge. Once you get to see what 500+ fps really is, you learn the consequences of what it is also. Is 500+ fps the most practical option? No. This is wholly different from 450 fps. Once you get your hands on it, you see that now you need more careful attention to the archery targets you buy. You need to more carefully select the broadheads you use that are up to the task. You also run the greater risk of loosing your arrows. These consequences are real and meaningful. On the upside, you get super flat trajectory, incredible time of flight and the flexibility to use varieties of good broadheads, no matter the weight or width. Who cares if your arrow setup is 600 grains! You still have the speed and power beyond all else. Jumping the string? If anyone thinks that a deer could truly do so out to 50-60 yards, so me the proof! I don’t believe it. In fact, I think the 505 hits a 50 yard target faster that a lot of crossbows could on 25-30 yards. I know now that 500+ fps isn’t for everyone. Still, I do love my 505! I haven’t lost any arrows with it yet. I have found targets that will take a close range shot, but only one to the same bullseye. I have taken deer with it and so long as the arrow is placed through the chest cavity, death can be timed with a stopwatch, not a wristwatch. Literally seconds. I do hunt at times in urban areas where allowing the chance for the deer to run any further than necessary would be an inconvenience that is not desirable. With a shoulder shot from the 505, I’ve seen busted joints and broken ribs. The carnage is substantial and perhaps this is a bonus with quick recovery of the deer. Nonetheless, I have had no problems with my 505 and it’s been super accurate. Would I be tempted to buy the TRX 515? Personally, nah. The 505 is bad enough. Anything beyond that seems to stretch practically further and thinner.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
You make a great Point here about the difference between that speed and 400, I should look at the numbers and maybe do a video about that.
@KD8RAP 6 ай бұрын
No, I want supersonic, we need over double 515fps still...
@congerthomas1812 7 ай бұрын
I have a exomax 355 shooting 300gr at 360 fps, shoots it's own hole off a rest at 30y.
@kadyscout 7 ай бұрын
Excellent teaching 👌👍🦌 love what you do. Thank you for all your hard work. Cheers, Ken
@EricBynog-zd4rd 7 ай бұрын
Anything over 450 fps is where it’s at I will not go back it’s just faster further range and more energy pass thru etc and there is a lot to said about the crank system also no more rope cocking for me
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I think we're all headed that way over time I bet. Good stuff 👍
@jenniferrobinson5813 7 ай бұрын
Last year I was in the market for a new crossbow. I could of bought a 505 Nitro or an R500, or a cool looking ultracompact Ravin 29x. What stopped me is the realization that there's no free lunch with the über high performance bows. One pin out to 45yds? That's pretty cool, but at what price? I can't justify 4 grand+ for a bow and optics to tote around public land. Actually, that sounds kind of ridiculous the more I think about it. But poorly made financial decisions aside, everything changes with these short hotrods. They don’t exactly check off any boxes for reliability or ease of use. They just look cool and go fast....
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
SWAT X1...lol
@jenniferrobinson5813 7 ай бұрын
Pfft, the SWAT X1 is "only" 400fps,😂
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
@jenniferrobinson5813 I know rub it in 😆
@bradsthrone 7 ай бұрын
I think there could be some more efforts put towards making targets that can effectively stop arrows/bolts out of a 400 fps crossbow and above.
@ieatcaribou7852 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@rockmclaughlin3199 7 ай бұрын
Oh yeah! That's a problem for me too. I have a good field point target that handles my 415 KI and my fast pistol crossbow bolts but nothing for verifying my broad-heads/dummy-mechanicals.
@cray-z7404 7 ай бұрын
DUNMOR compressed bail of hay will stop any bolt … google DUNMORE COMPRESSED HAY BAIL ! 20$ comes wrapped in plastic and has tote handle just like a target 🎯
@dougkahler7152 7 ай бұрын
My Ravin is 390fps with a 400 grain bolt and punched through a rib going in and another rib on exit at 80 yards and bolt still was a total pass through! That’s perfect performance in my opinion. I want a pass through so I get a massive blood trail.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
💯
@jimowens381 7 ай бұрын
I think in some cases the speed and technology are overcoming the available materials, causing some bows to literally to blow up. Until materials are improved, i think we've got plenty of power and speed now. I'm not sure if this answers your question but those are my thoughts.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
They seem to be doing a better job of that recently but yes I think until there are substantial leaps in materials there are still going to be problems
@kingrider75 7 ай бұрын
Agree 100 percent! Granted there are more people than ever shooting crossbows but the archery shops in my area of WV including cabelas have walls of crossbows with busted limbs. The common denominator is they are almost all new crossbows! We are building sports cars here and forgetting about the brakes😂
@konstantinvojvodic2803 Ай бұрын
You can't have too much power. If you can kill something or assassinate someone, you need power. Also, if you have " too much power" the target would drop dead faster
@Lsmith-ly2cm 7 ай бұрын
I'm an old timer had a couple crossbows never a compound crossbow. Did they ever figure on how to give longer life to the strings. That was the biggest problem with my crossbows string life. thank you
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I think they're all different. My scorpyd does great on strings. The new KI I haven't had long enough yet but we'll see.
@michaelcurtis8114 4 ай бұрын
I bought the new Barnett Hyper Raptor 410 and I was shooting a 460gn arrow with a cheap Amazon lighted nock that I've shot from my other crossbow that shoots 400fps with no issues. But when I was sighting in my Hyper Raptor the nock got pushed into the shaft splitting it and cutting my string. So, I think that there is such a thing as too much power.
@Deathbybunjie 4 ай бұрын
Nocks are more important than ever with modern xbows, that's for sure!
@yourdaddy8139 6 ай бұрын
Can we have supersonic arrows
@brob-zy8zi 7 ай бұрын
My 390fps rated Turbo S1 is more than enough for me. Great ratings, it came in under my budget, adequate speed for 30 yard shots, and less issues in the long run, in my opinion, than the 500fps + crossbows will have. Plus it has the accuslide cooking and decocking mechanism which I needed this year after surgery on my arm. I could have gone with more speed but I think it really hits the sweet spot for me. And it has already killed two deer for me its first year of use. Plus, getting it from wyvern creations it came with extra arrows, 3 broadheads, and a sling for the same price. Time will tell if it holds up but for now I'm very happy with it!
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Sounds like a good set up to me!
@douglasborgaro6801 6 ай бұрын
@brob You’re concerned that it will have more problems. Do you have a 505 or 515? I’ve had mine for a couple years. Very accurate and no problems at all. Not one! I know a couple people who did buy a much cheaper xbow and both of them have had many problems. Doesn’t mean there all the same.
@mikelinder6630 7 ай бұрын
Back in the days were they had bows back then they had a draw pan on it that shortens the Earl, just like they were shooting a crossbow
@stepheno.2730 7 ай бұрын
“Too much power” just sounds un-American to me. Technology and innovation is part of our heritage. We should be pushing the limits in speed and innovation.
@one-eyedarcher 7 ай бұрын
Hey I made it to the big screen again! 😂 Great video as always Rich! 👍
@cybercat2567 7 ай бұрын
I'm stoked cause it'll end up getting xblows taken out of archery season 😂
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
😁😅🤣😂
@redred2772 18 күн бұрын
When its fast enough to hit the deer at 100yards before it can move its fast enough. We have a ways to go. Super sonic arrows?
@Deathbybunjie 18 күн бұрын
They aren't going to hear the crossbow 100 yards away lol
@joshblainer2652 7 ай бұрын
How do you use 500fps without wasted energy? Use a 6 inch cutting diameter broadhead lol
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I love it! I call it the Swahacker Twinstrike! (A 4 bladed swahacker lol) 😄
@huntryx1 7 ай бұрын
I think there are a couple of levels to this. On one hand, speed, arrow weight, FOC, etc. are all measurable and real, and have mostly predictable results. On the other hand, there is the issue of perception, which doesn’t always line up with reality. I have been hunting with long bows for 40 years, and as I have aged the poundage, I could manage has decreased I have played with FOC in my low, poundage bows and managed pass-throughs deer more than once by being careful and shot placement and distance. But then my shoulder just gave and in order to continue to hunt with archery equipment I had to go to crossbow. I bought an Excalibur which produces about 325 FPS with my 425g bolt. I’ve also shot this through a deer or two. Wow it really seems fast to me. I can’t imagine needing more speed than this thing has so if I had come from shooting a compound at 300 FPS might my perception of this be different? Yes I think so.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
That's a good point. I went from 305 fps xbow to 420/405...yeah, it's a huge jump lol
@frederickbierweiler8020 7 ай бұрын
great info Rich and HNY to you and family
@patrickmoran5636 7 ай бұрын
Good job, quick question do you use flats or moon on your swat 1 ??
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Lumenok GTC
@davemeise2192 7 ай бұрын
That extra speed you're talking about isn't a waste of energy. It's for the plan "B" idea. What if the deer/moose/elk etc is standing a bit different than you originally thought and you hit big bones? The extra speed gives the arrow more ability to compensate. Definitely not a waste!
@stevesansburn1504 7 ай бұрын
If you can blow through the shoulder the deer will drop in its tracks that’s my goal rifle well do it all the time but 415 grains at 380 ft./s will not blow through the best off switch in a deer is right through the shoulder blade
@Kurtdog63 7 ай бұрын
Shot one rated at 405 fps last week. Speed is impressive, but not possible to use a string cocker. Required a crank which I find annoyingly time consuming and rattly to fool with. I think it pulled 210 lbs. Crossbows that shoot around 350 work great to 30 yards regarding impacting the deer before it can significantly drop at that range. More fun to shoot too, and I guess they tend to not self destruct as much based on other people's comments.
@chuck300mxc 7 ай бұрын
I’ve got a Ghost 360 that’s rated for 175 draw weight and I used to draw it back with my bare hands , my shots went all over the place. I’ve never heard of drawing by hand that would cause accuracy issues before doing this. Went back to cocking rope and accuracy returned. 360 fps is on the slow side, but it does what I need it to.
@Kurtdog63 7 ай бұрын
Yes, even if you’re strong enough to pull one back, the string does not seat consistently every time and will give you poor accuracy very inconsistent shots
@georgekeith7969 7 ай бұрын
My Swat X1 has too much power. Lol. Still burying arrows in the ground after pass through. 500 gr taw. Maybe lighter arrows would help that issue and get the advertised speed. I still worry about limb damage though.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I see 500 out of that crossbow is fine, I really like it on mine. At least you can find the arrows in theyre not singing off into the woods haha
@MichaelLakota-vc4tk 7 ай бұрын
If you like it, stick with it!👍🏻
@tomlastname9163 5 ай бұрын
I do miss the days of easily being able to see exactly where my arrow hits. Now after the shot, I have no clue. Even with illuminok. It makes a big difference for tracking. Unless they drop in sight, I wait at least 2 hrs. and always concerned i didnt wait enough, just to find dead deer just out of sight with dbl. Lung. And unless shooting straight down...almost never find bolt. Im very much against electronics in the woods, but maybe some type of camera just to see where shot lands..any reccomends?
@Deathbybunjie 5 ай бұрын
I film with my cell phone, able to review seconds after the shot. Also like the Tactcam as long as they still make them.
@jedBSME 6 ай бұрын
Even small pistol crossbows are getting more powerful. Recurves could reach 40 joules and compounds could punch harder.
@jonathang8571 7 ай бұрын
While I love the industry pushing the limits (which only benefits us the consumers!) as it forces companies to continue to improve their equipment, I think it only makes sense to avoid buying the absolute latest from not only a cost perspective, but to also give the industry time to answer questions around proper broadheads, targets, etc to use with such new technology as crossbows continue to evolve. :) Truly is exciting times to be a new crossbow hunter!
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
100% agree 👍 I try to avoid the latest and greatest, as long as I'm not stuck with the slowest and oldest haha
@quantumfx2677 6 ай бұрын
When we start getting into some serious power we can kiss a 20-30$ arrow & broad head good bye, taking game can then start to get very expensive. Crossbow companies should aim at accuracy as much as possible and I will be looking at ten points new center brace that's suppose to increase the accuracy for even more accurate tighter shots! I think we are getting to advancements in plenty of speed and should be working on if its possible to make these crossbows more quiet, lighter, well balanced, excellent safety, easier to draw. 2024 will be interesting on how much more has improved.
@roosterqmoney 7 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a supersonic crossbow.
@craighofer7890 7 ай бұрын
Hey Rich, converting from compound to crossbow this year due to a bum shoulder. I am really confused by what to get without blowing the budget. How about a video on buying a crossbow for the first time?
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Buy a SWAT x1. LOL haha. But seriously something that shoots about 400 ft per second with a 400 grain Arrow will be just fine for most modern targets. Blocks and bags alike. If you go up to 440 and above you will be looking at 500 ft per second and 650 ft per second targets which are a lot more expensive and harder to find. Especially for broadheads. Not that that is impossible, but I think the sweet spot right now is that 400 at 400. That's for me personally. Going to do a bunch of videos in the next month or so about new crossbows so there will be lots of tidbits in there about choosing one. Hope that helps! Welcome to crossbows!
@anvil49 7 ай бұрын
These manufacturers need to be carefull. Example...an air rifle up here in Canada that is over 495 fps has to be licenced!! If these bow companies keep it up the Gov will do the same to the Bows!!
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
That's a government problem not a crossbow company problem lol
@peterdaniels2671 3 ай бұрын
I honestly have only just recently found your channel. I have a question. That may not be really to do with this video. But no idea where else to ask. As a person been using crossbows for some time. Could I please ask, what would be your personal opinion for a newbie just getting into crossbows. Archery for years but health has stopped me from compound and recurved. How would you rate the new 2024 Excalibur micro mag 340, and the pse coalition frontier? Just for target use. Not hunting or competition work. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated
@Deathbybunjie 3 ай бұрын
That 340 will last for years and be fine for Target, the scope is going to be the big thing.
@peterdaniels2671 3 ай бұрын
@Deathbybunjie thank you so much for your reply, scope wise, at the moment just getting into crossbows, I'm happy with what it comes with. But down the line, will be upgraded on both mine and my sons. Again. Thank you for your fast response. Victoria Australia
@brianpoor763 7 ай бұрын
always great info, thanks.
@allen_p 7 ай бұрын
Very relevant topic. Hear in Texas on some public hunting lands, they limited the calibur of rifle we can use. If crossbows get too powerful will they be allowed in some public hunting lands?
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
That rifle law is common elsewhere too, like NYS. Not a crossbow thing. There just aren't the numbers out there for it I don't think.
@nobodycares8480 7 ай бұрын
With great power comes great responsibility !
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
Lol indeed!
@mundekmundek4920 4 ай бұрын
Piękny sprzęt. Używam excalibur 340 TD i assassin extrem,moje wymarzone kusze. Chciałbym kiedyś dokupić celownik burris Oracle x,ale narazie wykracza poza mój budżet. Super filmiki, świetnie się ogląda i słucha. Pozdrawiam
@shane3878 7 ай бұрын
Yes. Anything pushing much above 400fps is ridiculous speed. I can't see the bolt when I shoot my Axe405.
@jeremyskoczelak2262 7 ай бұрын
Rich I shot a big Md buck with a mission sub 1 at 36 yards and he ducked 6 in and I hit spine. He was totally relaxed. It shoots 375fps with a 490 grain bolt. They can still duck. I have it on video if you would like me to email it to you to see
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
What would have happened at 300 fps?
@douglasborgaro6801 6 ай бұрын
@jeremyskoc If a deer can jump the string of a 505 out to 50 yards, I want to see it! I also saw a video of a hunter taking an extremely alert doe at 37 yards. Snorting and stomping her foot, she was ready to react at light speed! She tried, but nope. Right through the vitals like nothing happened.
@JohnDoeEagle1 7 ай бұрын
Anything between 300 FPS and 400 FPS is plenty powerful and fast enough to get the job done. I happen to settle comfortably between that 340 FPS and 400ish FPS on most of my crossbows. The only one I have that peeks out of that is my Ravin R10 Camo. That's the fastest crossbow I own thus far.
@foxbow90 7 ай бұрын
Firenock makes the traumahawk with the intent to put as much energy into the animal
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
It's a fixed blade though (albeit a good looking one!)
@toddhatten354 7 ай бұрын
I have no problem with crossbows as long as it's during the regular weapon of choice season.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I have no problem with vertical bows as long as they remember they are hunting in our crossbow seasons and act accordingly.
@kingrider75 7 ай бұрын
What we need to do is start building better arrows. As these velocities have increased the longevity of these new crossbows are decreasing. I’d encourage everyone shooting these super fast bows to lean toward the heavy side on arrows
@user-ms9go9ko5y 6 ай бұрын
Never should have been allowed in archery season. Should have been in primitive arms season. It's a shoulder fired weapon.
@Deathbybunjie 6 ай бұрын
😅
@jeff_8789 7 ай бұрын
My buddy has a co2 powered air rifle that shoots aluminum 24" 500grn arrows at 550fps so i cut down an axis 415grn carbon an it cronographed at 618fps at ard 10 yrds so just wondering how long before they are legalizing them here in pa since texas and cpl other states have already done so thats where i think the crossbow is gonna lose its reputation an be taken over once there legalized everywhere
@REIronminer 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful Work
@josephcormier5974 7 ай бұрын
Very informative video thank you for sharing this six stars
@blacksrfm 7 ай бұрын
Although the price tag on it is a little steep I’m not gonna lie. It would be pretty cool to have the 515 except for I would be shooting heavier arrows probably in the 600 grain area to slow it down a little bit and bring the momentum up it would still be pretty cool to have… I’m shooting 479 grains at 396 fps the shot was 54 yards and I’m not having any ducking issues
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
That's cool, and I bet that this one shoots a 600 grain Arrow around 475 or so
@jasonkrohn5416 7 ай бұрын
I just noticed your awesome fireplace is a tv. 😂
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
😁
@chrisruzsa2798 7 ай бұрын
I agree with a lot of you are saying here rich 400 is really the only “”necessary”” speed and they should really focus on perfecting what they have because things are going faster but the now old models are still having problems.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I don't see "necessary" as being relevant. I WANT as much speed as possible. But at 500 fps there's too much energy for modern targets, components, nocks etc or at least in some cases there are. In a few years maybe we'll be caught up and 500 will be the new 400. In fact, I'd say that's likely, just like 400 is the new 300.
@chrisruzsa2798 7 ай бұрын
@@Deathbybunjie maybe hopefully not though because that will have other issues too. Different countries have different laws. If all crossbows went 500 plus they won’t sell in Canada because now you need a gun licence with anything 500fps plus. If you need the license you may as well buy a rifle it’s cheaper. One of the benefits to the crossbow is that it gets you into early season and don’t need the extra license. If I had to buy the extra license I would not have my crossbow I would have a bow or a rifle.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
@chrisruzsa2798 you don't need the pal for crossbows...that's firearms and air rifles. I even called them about that. Did video on it a few years back.
@chrisruzsa2798 7 ай бұрын
@@Deathbybunjie interesting….. I must have missed that video or forgotten it. I guess we will see what’s going to happen.
@dougeldredge 7 ай бұрын
i bought a single limb crossbow,recurve, is there a trick to stringing them?
@SuperDave-pe1zw 7 ай бұрын
I think under 400 fps is best, I think the crossbow shooting so fast that your going to have a hard time with arrow flight and broadhead problems not to mention how loud they are. I shot a fast compound bow at 333 fps thru the chronograph. I now shoot a Ten point viper S400 at 392 fps. I had to switch to a crossbow after 2 neck fusions 😢 . I have shot some nice bucks with a crossbow and me personally after bow hunting for 40 years I think archery hunting should be a close range sport not the 60- 100 shots people are taking with a crossbow. It's still a stick flying through the air and unlike a target deer move and just one step is enough for you to make a bad shot and wound a deer you won't find. Me personally the crossbow shooting super fast is too much and just causing flight problems and wounded deer. I still shoot my deer at 25 yards or closer.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
I'm all for close shots too...but 400 fps does 20 better than 300 fps (ask me how I know lol)
@SwampOperator 7 ай бұрын
Law enforcement: on the front lines of tyranny since the concept was dreamt up.
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
😆
@gregorysucher6987 6 ай бұрын
4:16 my compound bow shoots a 420 grain arrow at 300 fps, I don't see anything wrong with that!
@Deathbybunjie 6 ай бұрын
That's great for a compound bow...but we're crossbow hunters. 😃
@petehohm7171 7 ай бұрын
Great video but in my opinion speed and energy go hand in hand with accuracy shooting a modern crossbow gives your target less time to react to the sound of the crossbow going off and the animals ducking the shot . Energy is a great byproduct of the modern crossbows as far as penetration go's when it comes to a not so perfect shot like hitting a shoulder blade and driving that arrow through into the vitals to recover your animal
@Deathbybunjie 7 ай бұрын
All good points for sure!
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