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Are Dangols and Jyapus Really from the Kirat Dynasty? | Dr. Jagman Gurung | Sushant Pradhan Podcast

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@RavishPatel-q2t
@RavishPatel-q2t Ай бұрын
Faking the Kirat Identity A Closer Look at Historical Manipulations In recent years, the narrative surrounding the Kirat identity has come under intense scrutiny. Traditionally celebrated as a unifying force among the ethnic groups of Eastern Nepal, the Kirat identity-chiefly associated with the Limbus and Rais-has been revealed to be a historical fabrication. This manipulation was not only a bid for political power but also a campaign of ethnic antagonism against the indigenous Lepcha and Bhutia communities. The Roots of the Kirat Identity The term "Kirat" has been strategically adopted by certain groups to forge a collective identity. However, a detailed examination of historical and linguistic evidence challenges this constructed narrative. Before the intervention of scholars like Iman Singh Chemjong, the Limbus, Rais, and Yakkhas did not identify collectively as Kirats. The term was first popularized by Rana Bahadur Shah and later adopted by Prithvi Narayan Shah, who referred to the Limbus as descendants of Yehang, not Kirats. This indicates that the Kirat identity was a political construct, lacking genuine historical roots. Lack of Archaeological Evidence One of the most compelling arguments against the Kirat identity of the Limbus and Rais is the absence of archaeological evidence. Historical narratives promoted by the Kirat movement claim that these groups are ancient inhabitants of Eastern Nepal. However, unlike the well-documented presence of the Sen Thakuri dynasty and the Bhutia Chogyals-evidenced by numerous forts, palaces, and inscriptions such as those at Makawanpur Gadi, Udayapur Forts, and Bijaypur Durbar-there are no corresponding sites that can be attributed to Limbu or Rai rule. No inscriptions, palaces, or forts bear witness to a long-term Limbu or Rai presence or governance in Eastern Nepal. This stark absence of material evidence contrasts with the rich archaeological heritage left by other ruling dynasties, underscoring the fabricated nature of the Kirat identity claims. Genetic and Migration Evidence Genetic studies have further debunked the Kirat narrative. Research indicates that the Limbus and Rais possess a high proportion of Mongolian DNA, distinguishing them from other Tibeto-Burman ethnic groups in South Asia. This genetic evidence suggests that these communities migrated from the Sichuan province in China to northern Tibet during the Mongol conquests and later settled in Eastern Nepal in the 17th century. This migration narrative contradicts the Kirat movement's assertion of an ancient and indigenous lineage in Eastern Nepal. Political Manipulation and Ethnic Tensions The Kirat identity was not merely a historical inaccuracy; it was a tool for political manipulation. Iman Singh Chemjong's efforts to foster a unified Kirat identity were driven by a desire to incite resistance and revolt against the Bhutia-dominated Kingdom of Sikkim. This movement was rooted in ethnic animosity and aimed at undermining the Bhutia community's historical and political significance in the region. The rebranding of the Yakthung Mundhum to Kirat Mundhum was a deliberate attempt to erase the Bhutia community's contributions and presence. By promoting a false narrative of historical dominance, the Kirat movement sought to marginalize the Bhutias and assert an unsubstantiated claim to the region's heritage. The Impact on Lepcha and Bhutia Communities The Kirat movement’s divisive tactics extended beyond historical revisionism. By positioning the Limbus and Rais as the rightful heirs of the region, the movement marginalized the Lepcha and Bhutia communities, undermining their historical significance and contributions. This sowed seeds of discord and ethnic tension, fracturing what was once a more cohesive cultural tapestry in Eastern Nepal.
@Sajangrg69
@Sajangrg69 Ай бұрын
No inscriptions, forts or any archaeological evidence of historical significance? Have you actually visited Eastern Nepal or come from the Kirat community?? And how dare you say Sen thakuris are the indigenous to Eastern Nepal. Kiratas or ethnic groups such as Rais and Limbus are the original inhabitants of Nepal. Mahabarat, despite the controversy surrounding its existence, also talks about Mongoloid people living in the northern mountains and their king Yalambar. Also, Victors write the history. Kiratas may have lost many 'forts' and other materials of historical significance over time since they are on the losing side as the Nepal unification began and came under one ruler. From then on sanskritisation began and the rest is history.
@UnishSayami
@UnishSayami Ай бұрын
Chup indian dhoti patel mula
@ssuuy
@ssuuy Ай бұрын
Nice try, RAW agent.
@pratikking2272
@pratikking2272 Ай бұрын
@@Sajangrg69 Why the Indigenous Status of Limbus Should Be RevokedThe question of indigenous status in Nepal is a contentious issue shaped by historical, cultural, and political factors. The Limbus, a community claiming indigenous status, lack substantial historical and archaeological evidence to support this designation. This essay argues that the indigenous status of Limbus should be reconsidered due to their migratory history from Sichuan to Tibet and later to Nepal, lack of historical artifacts, and manipulation of documents with colonial assistance.Historical and Archaeological VoidUnlike other indigenous groups in Nepal, such as the Lepcha, Bhutia, and Newar, who possess rich historical records, architectural landmarks, and cultural artifacts dating back centuries, the Limbus lack tangible evidence of ancient settlements, palaces, temples, or significant archaeological finds that would substantiate their claim as indigenous to the region. The absence of such evidence raises doubts about their historical ties to the land compared to other established indigenous communities.Migration PatternsHistorical records indicate that the Limbus migrated from Sichuan, China, to Tibet in the 13th century, and subsequently moved to Nepal in the late 16th century. These migrations, marked by geopolitical shifts and cultural exchanges, highlight their origins outside the current borders of Nepal. Unlike indigenous groups with deep-rooted ancestral ties to the region, the Limbus' migratory history suggests a more recent arrival, challenging their claim to indigenous status based on continuous presence and cultural continuity.Colonial Influence and Fabrication of DocumentsDuring the colonial era, particularly under British rule, the Limbus reportedly fabricated documents to bolster their indigenous claims. This manipulation, facilitated by colonial authorities, enabled them to assert a historical narrative and gain recognition as indigenous in certain administrative contexts. Such historical revisionism and document forgery undermine the integrity of their indigenous status claim, especially when compared to the rigorous criteria and historical authenticity required for indigenous recognition in other regions.Contemporary Status in SikkimIn neighboring Sikkim, the Limbus have lost their tribal status, indicating a recognition shift that reflects deeper scrutiny of their indigenous claims. This precedent underscores the inconsistencies and challenges associated with defining indigenous identity solely based on self-proclaimed historical narratives and manipulated documentation.
@Millionaire_Rai_Adcb
@Millionaire_Rai_Adcb Ай бұрын
Indian raw agent again to destroy nepal 😂
@HarvestLovee
@HarvestLovee Ай бұрын
Dr. Gurung made a very valid point, “certain group of Nepal people used to claim that Rai and Limbu migrated from Mongol and but now the statement has changed. Instead of Mongolia, they say China.” This makes us think twice, use our critical thinking, do research because wars, famine, and geopolitical issue change the geography n history of your ancestors. The most important thing to know that the true historian will never change the original names to please current political views.
@pratikking2272
@pratikking2272 Ай бұрын
Why the Indigenous Status of Limbus Should Be RevokedThe question of indigenous status in Nepal is a contentious issue shaped by historical, cultural, and political factors. The Limbus, a community claiming indigenous status, lack substantial historical and archaeological evidence to support this designation. This essay argues that the indigenous status of Limbus should be reconsidered due to their migratory history from Sichuan to Tibet and later to Nepal, lack of historical artifacts, and manipulation of documents with colonial assistance.Historical and Archaeological VoidUnlike other indigenous groups in Nepal, such as the Lepcha, Bhutia, and Newar, who possess rich historical records, architectural landmarks, and cultural artifacts dating back centuries, the Limbus lack tangible evidence of ancient settlements, palaces, temples, or significant archaeological finds that would substantiate their claim as indigenous to the region. The absence of such evidence raises doubts about their historical ties to the land compared to other established indigenous communities.Migration PatternsHistorical records indicate that the Limbus migrated from Sichuan, China, to Tibet in the 13th century, and subsequently moved to Nepal in the late 16th century. These migrations, marked by geopolitical shifts and cultural exchanges, highlight their origins outside the current borders of Nepal. Unlike indigenous groups with deep-rooted ancestral ties to the region, the Limbus' migratory history suggests a more recent arrival, challenging their claim to indigenous status based on continuous presence and cultural continuity.Colonial Influence and Fabrication of DocumentsDuring the colonial era, particularly under British rule, the Limbus reportedly fabricated documents to bolster their indigenous claims. This manipulation, facilitated by colonial authorities, enabled them to assert a historical narrative and gain recognition as indigenous in certain administrative contexts. Such historical revisionism and document forgery undermine the integrity of their indigenous status claim, especially when compared to the rigorous criteria and historical authenticity required for indigenous recognition in other regions.Contemporary Status in SikkimIn neighboring Sikkim, the Limbus have lost their tribal status, indicating a recognition shift that reflects deeper scrutiny of their indigenous claims. This precedent underscores the inconsistencies and challenges associated with defining indigenous identity solely based on self-proclaimed historical narratives and manipulated documentation.
@Mt.Chomolungma8848
@Mt.Chomolungma8848 Ай бұрын
​@@pratikking2272😂😂😂 copy paste
@bob_009
@bob_009 Ай бұрын
​​@@pratikking2272 nice Wordplay brother ..but you need - 1. To read .. seriously READ A LOT!! ; 2. PLEASE GIVE PROPER REFERENCES TO YOUR CLAIMS ...even it it's "Dante katha" ...please GIVE REFRENCES!! ... otherwise it doesn't mean shit "shite!!". 3 .Limbus/Limboos/Yakthungs/Tshongs- ARE LITERALLY RECOGNISED AS INDEGINOUS PEOPLE IN SIKKIM ...bro Even the BHUTIAS AND LEPCHAS' RECOGNISE THAT ...bro Sikkim history is literally filled with Lepcha - Limbu participation and if you want document proof regarding limbu existence there's ample proof to that... (Yes many of it was burnt like so many other INDEGINOUS peoples records/books during the formation of Nepal especially during the Grokha- Limbuwan wars ..but there's still limbu chronicles of those times.. thanks to the British and their meticulous record keeping)....tf you talking about bro stop making a fool out of yourself 😂😂 ...even the BRITISH in their anthropological Survey TAGGED LIMBU people as "ABORIGINAL -TRANSHIMALAYAN" ...and you don't even need some special permission to access it.. just do a simple google search bro ..tf!! Man🤣🤣🤣 ..je paye tyei!! ..go do some proper RESEARCH instead of making a fool out of yourself!! ...and if you're gonna ape on the migration theory bro all of us came from Africa at some point of time or the other...😂😂😂.... But the Term aboriginal/aborigine is applied to people who FIRST SETTLED in the area ...like Australian Aboriginal or Native American or any group of aboriginal... Jus because that group creates a state for itself doesn't make it non Aboriginal... Stop clowining🤡🤡 yourself Maan go read!! .. Maybe some Limbuni must've broken your heart to garner such hatred 😂😂 ...but that doesn't mean you throw away logic😂😂 ....je paye tyei mula😂😂 ...lose a bit of that hate read more mate😂😂 ...ppl like u have me rolling down with laughter damn man .ty for the entertainment tho🤣🤣🤣
@bob_009
@bob_009 Ай бұрын
​@@pratikking2272​​@pratikking2272 nice Wordplay brother ..but you need - 1. To read .. seriously READ A LOT!! ; 2. PLEASE GIVE PROPER REFERENCES TO YOUR CLAIMS ...even it it's "Dante katha" ...please GIVE REFRENCES!! ... otherwise it doesn't mean shit "shite!!". 3 .Limbus/Limboos/Yakthungs/Tshongs- ARE LITERALLY RECOGNISED AS INDEGINOUS PEOPLE IN SIKKIM ...bro Even the BHUTIAS AND LEPCHAS RECOGNISE THAT...bro Sikkim history is literally filled with Lepcha -Limbu participation and if you want document proof there's ample proof to that...(Yes many of it was burnt like so many other INDEGINOUS peoples records/books during the formation of Nepal especially during the Grokha- Limbuwan wars ..but there's still limbu chronicles of those times.. thanks to the British and their meticulous record keeping)....tf you talking about bro stop making a fool out of yourself 😂😂 ...even the BRITISH in their anthropological Survey TAGGED LIMBU people as "ABORIGINAL -TRANSHIMALAYAN" ...and you don't even need some special permission to access it.. just do a simple google search bro ..tf!! Man🤣🤣🤣 ..je paye tyei!! ..go do some proper RESEARCH instead of making a fool out of yourself!! ...and if you're gonna ape on the migration theory bro all of us came from Africa at some point of time or the other...😂😂😂.... But the Term aboriginal/aborigine is applied to people who FIRST SETTLED in the area ...like Australian Aboriginal or Native American or any group of aboriginal... Jus because that group creates a state for itself doesn't make it non Aboriginal... Stop clowining🤡🤡 yourself Maan go read!! .. Maybe some Limbuni must've broken your heart to garner such hatred 😂😂 ...but that doesn't mean you throw away logic😂😂 ....je paye tyei mula😂😂 ...lose a bit of that hate read more mate😂😂 ...ppl like u have me rolling down with laughter damn man .ty for the entertainment tho🤣🤣🤣
@homochomosofo
@homochomosofo Ай бұрын
​​@@pratikking2272Bro proof sahit kura gara na. History ko kura garda tmi biased dekhinxeu Limbu Rai haru kirat kal dekhi Nepal mai xan khub kura garxa P.N shah ley kirat lai kehi bhag jitera kehi bhag sandhi garera Nepal ma gabiyekl ho Limbuwan Kirat ko rajya lai. Tyo bhanda aghi tw KTM Valley ma Mahispal pxi raj gareka hun. Lichhavi sanga harera Purba jhareka. Critical thinking gara hawa guff spam nahana. Limbu Rai haru sanga problem xakk kya ho? Anyway have a good night. Timro aru cmt ni testai hunxa with superiority complex
@limbuckl
@limbuckl Ай бұрын
@pratikking2272 and @RavishPatel-q2t - These 2 people probably ran by same person has been writing same copy paste comments all over this podcasts when it comes to Kirats mainly Rais and Limbus history. He is challenging these so called Rais and Limbus are betrayers, and not Kirat etc. Not sure what his agendas are. Let's consider some facts: 1. The Government of Nepal officially recognizes Kirat people, including Rais and Limbus, as indigenous groups on their official pages and in policies. 2. Current historical understanding isn't solely written by these communities - it's based on scholarly research, archaeological evidence, and historical records. 3. Kirat history and identity are well-established, even if some specific details may be debated. 4. Dismissing entire communities as "betrayers" or "not Kirat" contradicts official recognition and academic consensus. 5. Remember, those in power (like Brahmins) for the past 250 years have had more influence on historical narratives.
@Millionaire_Rai_Adcb
@Millionaire_Rai_Adcb Ай бұрын
These people are Indian Raw Bot 😂 patel itself is an Indian. No more to say
@limbuckl
@limbuckl Ай бұрын
@@Millionaire_Rai_Adcb But what’s their agenda? What will they acheive by doing this?
@bob_009
@bob_009 Ай бұрын
​@@limbuckl bro they're propaganda bots ..copy pasting the same thing all over.. without any proper proof... making total fool of themselves 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@homochomosofo
@homochomosofo Ай бұрын
​@@limbucklanti kirat hola bro History jasto kura lai mpdna badalna khojxan yrr. Kasto facts lo aadhar ma kura garnu ni propoganda failauxan tyo Praytik king rw patel
@prabhuewai9905
@prabhuewai9905 9 күн бұрын
​@@limbucklthey want to rewrite history, create fake history to mislead the world because Limbu, Rai have been challenging to Aryan sphare of influence! (2 more fake names being used now- copying and pasting anti Limbu Rai message)
@meseeamrai898
@meseeamrai898 Ай бұрын
सस्कृतमा किर को मतलब सिह र आतको मतलब जस्तो देखिने भनेको छ।डा. गुरुङको कथन सहि छ।
@RavishPatel-q2t
@RavishPatel-q2t Ай бұрын
The Rai and Limbu communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities. Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbu communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes. The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbu is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbu hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions. The Newar Connection The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbu. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbu seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories. However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbu. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself. Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbu have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources. This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbu' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region. Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbu. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbu attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups. Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbu. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions. The Role of the Khas and Tharus In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbu, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal. The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbu. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity. Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbu attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing
@meseeamrai898
@meseeamrai898 Ай бұрын
@@RavishPatel-q2t rai limbu not migrate from china mongolian race is migrate from nepal nowadays known country by china mangolia korea japan etc hindu thakuri is migrate from india in mugal piriad.
@meseeamrai898
@meseeamrai898 9 күн бұрын
@ManitaShrestha-t3x तिम्रो दिमाग ठिक ठाउँमा छ कताको पागल पास्टरजस्तो नबोल्नुहोला?किरातको राजा यलम्बरले महाभारतको लडाइ लडेको इतिहास छ भने चङ्गेज खान 14 सेन्चुरितिर होला सिचुवानमा हमला गरेको। राइ लिम्बू त के मगर तामाङ गुरुङ्ग थकाली शेर्पा सित कतिपय हाम्रो भाषा पृत पुज्ने सस्कार मिल्छ र यसकारण पुष्टि हुन्छ कि कालान्तरमा हाम्रो पुर्खाहरु एउटै थिए र यो देशको आदिवासी हुन बरु नेपाल बाट चाहिँ किरातिहरु चीन मङ्गोलिया कोरिया जापान अन्यतिर बसाइ सरेको पुष्टि हुन्छ।
@ssuuy
@ssuuy Ай бұрын
Bahuns are refugees from India.
@subashrijal6227
@subashrijal6227 Ай бұрын
U r tibatan.
@ManishMaharjan-y5o
@ManishMaharjan-y5o Ай бұрын
Fun fact: Mero Hajur Ba ko Nickname (Magara) Thiyo.... Waha same Magar jasto dekhnu hunthyo.. And I look the same as my Hajur Baa... Ra koi naya manche sita vetda, tmi ta magar jastai dekhchau vanxa..🤣🤣 I'm Pure Jyapu from Kathmandu.
@bipinoli2592
@bipinoli2592 Ай бұрын
maharjan rah tandukar same ho
@ManishMaharjan-y5o
@ManishMaharjan-y5o Ай бұрын
@@bipinoli2592 Dubai farmers Nai ho.. tara Tandukar Jyapu haina.
@bipinoli2592
@bipinoli2592 Ай бұрын
@@ManishMaharjan-y5o tandukar k ho tah sir jyapu nabhayerah
@ManishMaharjan-y5o
@ManishMaharjan-y5o Ай бұрын
@@bipinoli2592 hami maharjan haru lai "jyapu" vane jastai tandukar haru lai "khusa" vanxa.
@bipinoli2592
@bipinoli2592 Ай бұрын
@@ManishMaharjan-y5o khusa ko meaning
@sumitkhapung
@sumitkhapung 21 күн бұрын
Nice 👍
@milanmaharjan12
@milanmaharjan12 Ай бұрын
Dangol pani Jyapu nai hun. Newa bhitra 80% Jyapu hun jo yeha kai mulbasi hun. 20% jati matra bibhinna kal khanda ma migrated bhayera aye ka holan. testai Suwal, Prajapati, Singh pani Jyapu hun. Bhaktapur ma sayau thar ka Jyapu haru chan. Malla kal pachi ko hindukaran le garda thar ferne haru pani chan. Thar ferne haru ma Kathmandu Valley bahira ka Newa haru badhi chan. Jyapu nai bhaikan Thar ferera Pradhan, Shrestha, Bhaju, Newar rakhne haru chan tara Sabai Shrestha, Pradhan haru Jyapu hoina. Jyapu Samudaye bhitra Mangol ra Negro/dark skin duitai nasla dekhincha. Mangol face Newa haru praye sabai Jyapu nai hun, pahila sabai Kisan nai thiye tara Mangol face ka Jyapu bhayera pani thar ferera Shrestha, Pradhan, Bhaju, Newar rakhne haru pani chan.
@Ishitmypantsfull
@Ishitmypantsfull Ай бұрын
Caste lukayera afulai thulo dekhauna dherai le shrestha pradhan singh lekhne gareko cha.
@RavishPatel-q2t
@RavishPatel-q2t Ай бұрын
Faking the Kirat Identity A Closer Look at Historical Manipulations In recent years, the narrative surrounding the Kirat identity has come under intense scrutiny. Traditionally celebrated as a unifying force among the ethnic groups of Eastern Nepal, the Kirat identity-chiefly associated with the Limbus and Rais-has been revealed to be a historical fabrication. This manipulation was not only a bid for political power but also a campaign of ethnic antagonism against the indigenous Lepcha and Bhutia communities. The Roots of the Kirat Identity The term "Kirat" has been strategically adopted by certain groups to forge a collective identity. However, a detailed examination of historical and linguistic evidence challenges this constructed narrative. Before the intervention of scholars like Iman Singh Chemjong, the Limbus, Rais, and Yakkhas did not identify collectively as Kirats. The term was first popularized by Rana Bahadur Shah and later adopted by Prithvi Narayan Shah, who referred to the Limbus as descendants of Yehang, not Kirats. This indicates that the Kirat identity was a political construct, lacking genuine historical roots. Lack of Archaeological Evidence One of the most compelling arguments against the Kirat identity of the Limbus and Rais is the absence of archaeological evidence. Historical narratives promoted by the Kirat movement claim that these groups are ancient inhabitants of Eastern Nepal. However, unlike the well-documented presence of the Sen Thakuri dynasty and the Bhutia Chogyals-evidenced by numerous forts, palaces, and inscriptions such as those at Makawanpur Gadi, Udayapur Forts, and Bijaypur Durbar-there are no corresponding sites that can be attributed to Limbu or Rai rule. No inscriptions, palaces, or forts bear witness to a long-term Limbu or Rai presence or governance in Eastern Nepal. This stark absence of material evidence contrasts with the rich archaeological heritage left by other ruling dynasties, underscoring the fabricated nature of the Kirat identity claims. Genetic and Migration Evidence Genetic studies have further debunked the Kirat narrative. Research indicates that the Limbus and Rais possess a high proportion of Mongolian DNA, distinguishing them from other Tibeto-Burman ethnic groups in South Asia. This genetic evidence suggests that these communities migrated from the Sichuan province in China to northern Tibet during the Mongol conquests and later settled in Eastern Nepal in the 17th century. This migration narrative contradicts the Kirat movement's assertion of an ancient and indigenous lineage in Eastern Nepal. Political Manipulation and Ethnic Tensions The Kirat identity was not merely a historical inaccuracy; it was a tool for political manipulation. Iman Singh Chemjong's efforts to foster a unified Kirat identity were driven by a desire to incite resistance and revolt against the Bhutia-dominated Kingdom of Sikkim. This movement was rooted in ethnic animosity and aimed at undermining the Bhutia community's historical and political significance in the region. The rebranding of the Yakthung Mundhum to Kirat Mundhum was a deliberate attempt to erase the Bhutia community's contributions and presence. By promoting a false narrative of historical dominance, the Kirat movement sought to marginalize the Bhutias and assert an unsubstantiated claim to the region's heritage. The Impact on Lepcha and Bhutia Communities The Kirat movement’s divisive tactics extended beyond historical revisionism. By positioning the Limbus and Rais as the rightful heirs of the region, the movement marginalized the Lepcha and Bhutia communities, undermining their historical significance and contributions. This sowed seeds of discord and ethnic tension, fracturing what was once a more cohesive cultural tapestry in Eastern Nepal.
@prabhuewai9905
@prabhuewai9905 Ай бұрын
Marich man Shrestha ( ex PM), Hiranya Lal Shrestha ( ex ambassador), Bihari lal Shrestha ( scholar, famous personality) look 99% mongoloid. ( Mongolian/ Mongol means people or language of Mongolia. Mongoloid means all chimse, thepche race) Most of Pradhan in Darjeeling, Sikkim look mongoloid! Maharjan ji, I agree with you.
@pratikking2272
@pratikking2272 Ай бұрын
Why the Indigenous Status of Limbus Should Be RevokedThe question of indigenous status in Nepal is a contentious issue shaped by historical, cultural, and political factors. The Limbus, a community claiming indigenous status, lack substantial historical and archaeological evidence to support this designation. This essay argues that the indigenous status of Limbus should be reconsidered due to their migratory history from Sichuan to Tibet and later to Nepal, lack of historical artifacts, and manipulation of documents with colonial assistance.Historical and Archaeological VoidUnlike other indigenous groups in Nepal, such as the Lepcha, Bhutia, and Newar, who possess rich historical records, architectural landmarks, and cultural artifacts dating back centuries, the Limbus lack tangible evidence of ancient settlements, palaces, temples, or significant archaeological finds that would substantiate their claim as indigenous to the region. The absence of such evidence raises doubts about their historical ties to the land compared to other established indigenous communities.Migration PatternsHistorical records indicate that the Limbus migrated from Sichuan, China, to Tibet in the 13th century, and subsequently moved to Nepal in the late 16th century. These migrations, marked by geopolitical shifts and cultural exchanges, highlight their origins outside the current borders of Nepal. Unlike indigenous groups with deep-rooted ancestral ties to the region, the Limbus' migratory history suggests a more recent arrival, challenging their claim to indigenous status based on continuous presence and cultural continuity.Colonial Influence and Fabrication of DocumentsDuring the colonial era, particularly under British rule, the Limbus reportedly fabricated documents to bolster their indigenous claims. This manipulation, facilitated by colonial authorities, enabled them to assert a historical narrative and gain recognition as indigenous in certain administrative contexts. Such historical revisionism and document forgery undermine the integrity of their indigenous status claim, especially when compared to the rigorous criteria and historical authenticity required for indigenous recognition in other regions.Contemporary Status in SikkimIn neighboring Sikkim, the Limbus have lost their tribal status, indicating a recognition shift that reflects deeper scrutiny of their indigenous claims. This precedent underscores the inconsistencies and challenges associated with defining indigenous identity solely based on self-proclaimed historical narratives and manipulated documentation.
@prabhuewai9905
@prabhuewai9905 Ай бұрын
Mongoloid dekhine/ physical features hune Newar haru marich man Shrestha, ex PM Hiranya Lal Shrestha, ex ambassador Bihari lal Shrestha , scholar - jasta laakhau chhan. Mechi paari Pradhan haru purai/ dherai Mongoloid dekhinchhan!
@Neesxal
@Neesxal Ай бұрын
Chiri babu maharjan jssto lagira
@puranchhetri4660
@puranchhetri4660 2 күн бұрын
Sanskrit ma KIR ko Artha SUNGUR re, SUNGUR palne vako le kirat vaneko re. (Lato manche ko chaypto kura)
@yobahang
@yobahang Ай бұрын
हिन्दु धर्म ग्रन्थलाई आधार मान्ने हो भने गैर वैदिक नै किरात हुन । त्यो कुरालाई त मान्नु पर्यो । गैर वैदिक भनेकै नेपालका खश मगर गुरुङ थारु तामाङ हुन नि ।।।
@adityalimbu3470
@adityalimbu3470 Ай бұрын
Tharo baw ko kirati haru hendu hoina, ajaw nepal ma dhamocraty aya pachi dharai kirati rai Limbu haru hendu dharma chard dhai cha ra hendu chard dhasai manu chard dhai gaya ko cha,
@user-tg5ut6ic8l
@user-tg5ut6ic8l Ай бұрын
How Rai and Limbu Claim False Association with Rich Tribes to Legitimize Their Own False History Throughout history, the Rai and Limbu communities have been known for their resourcefulness and adaptability in various regions of South Asia. However, there has been a growing concern that these communities have often engaged in fabricating associations with richer and more prosperous tribes such as the Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, Tharus, and others. This alleged fabrication is seen as an effort to legitimize their historical claims and to integrate more seamlessly into these regions. The complexities surrounding these claims raise significant questions about historical authenticity, ethnic identity, and inter-community relations. Historical Background of Rai and Limbu The Rai and Limbu communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities. Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbu communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes. The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbu is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbu hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions. The Newar Connection The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbu. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbu seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories. However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbu. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself. Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbu have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources. This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbu' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region. Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbu. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbu attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups. Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbu. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions. The Role of the Khas and Tharus In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbu, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal. The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbu. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity. Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbu attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing
@sentvchannel
@sentvchannel Ай бұрын
यीनले प्राय मनगनत्य बिना अध्यन हावा कुरा बोल्छ्न ।
@brickrai3127
@brickrai3127 Ай бұрын
Yeslai amaaley rah congress ley Kirat Limbuwan pradesh nahoss vanerah khataaiyeko euta hanumaan ho yo
@nihsyub1039
@nihsyub1039 Ай бұрын
@@brickrai3127bhai uni haru kirat hudaihoinan, malla le jitepachi uniharu Ko bangsaj chai newar bhaniyeko ho kirat haru ta bhagera purba sareka thiye … aru lai hawa dos nalau
@bikashff4509
@bikashff4509 Ай бұрын
Lol k proof xaa tme sanga chaii😂 biased proof le chaldaina nii bro​@brickrai3127
@brickrai3127
@brickrai3127 Ай бұрын
@@bikashff4509 cha ni jati bela Kirat Limbuwan pradesh ko kura utha cha yo khaatey ko tetti kherah interview badhcha herr napatyaaye aba chunaab taka yo khaatey ko kati interview aaucha.
@bikashff4509
@bikashff4509 Ай бұрын
@@brickrai3127 voli parsi un ma dekhaunu parxaa haii
@unikvlogger
@unikvlogger Ай бұрын
Yi baa afai newar jasto dekhinxan, newar lai kirat ho bhandaixan! Newar futaune khel po kheldaixan ki k ho ??
@SamraatMaharjan
@SamraatMaharjan Ай бұрын
His name is written as Dr Gurung
@pratikking2272
@pratikking2272 Ай бұрын
@@SamraatMaharjan Sushant Pradhan newar ho ki bihar bata aaeka seshya hun?
@samkazi8
@samkazi8 Ай бұрын
Sabai newar jyapau hainan tesari nai sabai mangol kirat hainan mangol kirat nepali ho aadha vanda badi mangol bahira ko hunn Nepal ma vanda badi kirat indina ma xan k vanee aba yaslai research garaam hai sabai le ramro sanga Antya ma gara kirat sabdha aafai ma auta sanskrit bata niskeko sabda dekhinca ani nepal ka kirati hami hindu hainaumm vanxan indina ma sabai kirati hindu xann .......bujhi nasakdo xa
@pratikking2272
@pratikking2272 Ай бұрын
Why the Indigenous Status of Limbus Should Be RevokedThe question of indigenous status in Nepal is a contentious issue shaped by historical, cultural, and political factors. The Limbus, a community claiming indigenous status, lack substantial historical and archaeological evidence to support this designation. This essay argues that the indigenous status of Limbus should be reconsidered due to their migratory history from Sichuan to Tibet and later to Nepal, lack of historical artifacts, and manipulation of documents with colonial assistance.Historical and Archaeological VoidUnlike other indigenous groups in Nepal, such as the Lepcha, Bhutia, and Newar, who possess rich historical records, architectural landmarks, and cultural artifacts dating back centuries, the Limbus lack tangible evidence of ancient settlements, palaces, temples, or significant archaeological finds that would substantiate their claim as indigenous to the region. The absence of such evidence raises doubts about their historical ties to the land compared to other established indigenous communities.Migration PatternsHistorical records indicate that the Limbus migrated from Sichuan, China, to Tibet in the 13th century, and subsequently moved to Nepal in the late 16th century. These migrations, marked by geopolitical shifts and cultural exchanges, highlight their origins outside the current borders of Nepal. Unlike indigenous groups with deep-rooted ancestral ties to the region, the Limbus' migratory history suggests a more recent arrival, challenging their claim to indigenous status based on continuous presence and cultural continuity.Colonial Influence and Fabrication of DocumentsDuring the colonial era, particularly under British rule, the Limbus reportedly fabricated documents to bolster their indigenous claims. This manipulation, facilitated by colonial authorities, enabled them to assert a historical narrative and gain recognition as indigenous in certain administrative contexts. Such historical revisionism and document forgery undermine the integrity of their indigenous status claim, especially when compared to the rigorous criteria and historical authenticity required for indigenous recognition in other regions.Contemporary Status in SikkimIn neighboring Sikkim, the Limbus have lost their tribal status, indicating a recognition shift that reflects deeper scrutiny of their indigenous claims. This precedent underscores the inconsistencies and challenges associated with defining indigenous identity solely based on self-proclaimed historical narratives and manipulated documentation.
@user-tg5ut6ic8l
@user-tg5ut6ic8l Ай бұрын
How Rai and Limbu Claim False Association with Rich Tribes to Legitimize Their Own False History Throughout history, the Rai and Limbu communities have been known for their resourcefulness and adaptability in various regions of South Asia. However, there has been a growing concern that these communities have often engaged in fabricating associations with richer and more prosperous tribes such as the Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, Tharus, and others. This alleged fabrication is seen as an effort to legitimize their historical claims and to integrate more seamlessly into these regions. The complexities surrounding these claims raise significant questions about historical authenticity, ethnic identity, and inter-community relations. Historical Background of Rai and Limbu The Rai and Limbu communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities. Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbu communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes. The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbu is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbu hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions. The Newar Connection The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbu. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbu seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories. However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbu. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself. Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbu have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources. This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbu' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region. Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbu. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbu attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups. Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbu. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions. The Role of the Khas and Tharus In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbu, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal. The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbu. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity. Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbu attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing
@nepaliwarrior2746
@nepaliwarrior2746 Ай бұрын
@@pratikking2272 Your claims about the Rai and Limbus are not only unfounded but also incredibly offensive and ignorant. The history and heritage of the Rai and Limbus are well-documented and respected, and it's high time you stopped spreading baseless accusations. Indigenous Status of Rai and Limbus 1. Historical and Archaeological Evidence: Kirata Dynasty: The Rai and Limbus are descendants of the ancient Kiratas who ruled over Eastern Nepal long before the Sen Thakuris appeared. This is supported by various archaeological findings, including ancient relics and settlement ruins, that establish their long-standing presence in the region. Licchavi Inscriptions: Historical texts, such as Licchavi inscriptions, and records from Newari chronicles, further confirm the existence and rule of the Kirata tribes, which included the Rai and Limbus. 2. Cultural and Genetic Evidence: Cultural Richness: The rich cultural heritage of the Rai and Limbus, like the Sirijonga script and Mundhum oral traditions, showcases their deep-rooted civilization and historical continuity. Distinctive Practices: Their unique cultural practices, attire, and rituals distinguish them clearly from other ethnic groups, indicating a well-established indigenous identity. Brahmins as Refugees 1. Historical Migration: Mughal Invasion: Historical records show that Brahmins migrated to Nepal from regions like Bihar to escape the Mughal invasions. They integrated with the Khas people of Western Nepal, contrary to your claims of them being indigenous. Strategic Alliances: Brahmins cleverly allied with the Khas to secure influence and power, a far cry from being indigenous to Eastern Nepal. The Role During British Era 1. Anglo-Nepalese War: Military Bravery: The Rai and Limbus fought valiantly alongside Gorkha soldiers against the British, proving their loyalty and martial prowess. Their recruitment into the British Army was due to their demonstrated bravery, not because of some fictitious betrayal. Addressing Misinformation Your constant spamming of false information is not only disrespectful but also illegal. Misleading the public and falsifying history can have serious legal consequences. It's time you faced the facts instead of peddling lies. Conclusion The Rai and Limbus are true indigenous people of Eastern Nepal with a rich, verifiable history. Brahmins, on the other hand, migrated into Nepal as refugees. Your attempt to rewrite history to undermine the legitimacy of the Rai and Limbus is not only baseless but also offensive. The Rai and Limbus have always been integral to the region’s history, and no amount of misinformation can change that. Stop spreading lies and start respecting the truth. Your baseless accusations only highlight your ignorance and prejudice.
@nepaliwarrior2746
@nepaliwarrior2746 Ай бұрын
@@user-tg5ut6ic8l Your claims about the Rai and Limbus are not only unfounded but also incredibly offensive and ignorant. The history and heritage of the Rai and Limbus are well-documented and respected, and it's high time you stopped spreading baseless accusations. Indigenous Status of Rai and Limbus 1. Historical and Archaeological Evidence: Kirata Dynasty: The Rai and Limbus are descendants of the ancient Kiratas who ruled over Eastern Nepal long before the Sen Thakuris appeared. This is supported by various archaeological findings, including ancient relics and settlement ruins, that establish their long-standing presence in the region. Licchavi Inscriptions: Historical texts, such as Licchavi inscriptions, and records from Newari chronicles, further confirm the existence and rule of the Kirata tribes, which included the Rai and Limbus. 2. Cultural and Genetic Evidence: Cultural Richness: The rich cultural heritage of the Rai and Limbus, like the Sirijonga script and Mundhum oral traditions, showcases their deep-rooted civilization and historical continuity. Distinctive Practices: Their unique cultural practices, attire, and rituals distinguish them clearly from other ethnic groups, indicating a well-established indigenous identity. Brahmins as Refugees 1. Historical Migration: Mughal Invasion: Historical records show that Brahmins migrated to Nepal from regions like Bihar to escape the Mughal invasions. They integrated with the Khas people of Western Nepal, contrary to your claims of them being indigenous. Strategic Alliances: Brahmins cleverly allied with the Khas to secure influence and power, a far cry from being indigenous to Eastern Nepal. The Role During British Era 1. Anglo-Nepalese War: Military Bravery: The Rai and Limbus fought valiantly alongside Gorkha soldiers against the British, proving their loyalty and martial prowess. Their recruitment into the British Army was due to their demonstrated bravery, not because of some fictitious betrayal. Addressing Misinformation Your constant spamming of false information is not only disrespectful but also illegal. Misleading the public and falsifying history can have serious legal consequences. It's time you faced the facts instead of peddling lies. Conclusion The Rai and Limbus are true indigenous people of Eastern Nepal with a rich, verifiable history. Brahmins, on the other hand, migrated into Nepal as refugees. Your attempt to rewrite history to undermine the legitimacy of the Rai and Limbus is not only baseless but also offensive. The Rai and Limbus have always been integral to the region’s history, and no amount of misinformation can change that. Stop spreading lies and start respecting the truth. Your baseless accusations only highlight your ignorance and prejudice.
@sameershrestha8654
@sameershrestha8654 Ай бұрын
Jyapus ko 99% anuhar Dravidian or Indian mul ko dekhincha...akha ni thulo huncha so kirat rai huna sakdainan
@user-tg5ut6ic8l
@user-tg5ut6ic8l Ай бұрын
How Rai and Limbu Claim False Association with Rich Tribes to Legitimize Their Own False History Throughout history, the Rai and Limbu communities have been known for their resourcefulness and adaptability in various regions of South Asia. However, there has been a growing concern that these communities have often engaged in fabricating associations with richer and more prosperous tribes such as the Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, Tharus, and others. This alleged fabrication is seen as an effort to legitimize their historical claims and to integrate more seamlessly into these regions. The complexities surrounding these claims raise significant questions about historical authenticity, ethnic identity, and inter-community relations. Historical Background of Rai and Limbu The Rai and Limbu communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities. Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbu communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes. The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbu is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbu hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions. The Newar Connection The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbu. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbu seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories. However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbu. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself. Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbu have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources. This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbu' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region. Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbu. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbu attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups. Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbu. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions. The Role of the Khas and Tharus In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbu, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal. The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbu. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity. Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbu attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing
@nepaliwarrior2746
@nepaliwarrior2746 Ай бұрын
@@user-tg5ut6ic8l Your claims about the Rai and Limbus are not only unfounded but also incredibly offensive and ignorant. The history and heritage of the Rai and Limbus are well-documented and respected, and it's high time you stopped spreading baseless accusations. Indigenous Status of Rai and Limbus 1. Historical and Archaeological Evidence: Kirata Dynasty: The Rai and Limbus are descendants of the ancient Kiratas who ruled over Eastern Nepal long before the Sen Thakuris appeared. This is supported by various archaeological findings, including ancient relics and settlement ruins, that establish their long-standing presence in the region. Licchavi Inscriptions: Historical texts, such as Licchavi inscriptions, and records from Newari chronicles, further confirm the existence and rule of the Kirata tribes, which included the Rai and Limbus. 2. Cultural and Genetic Evidence: Cultural Richness: The rich cultural heritage of the Rai and Limbus, like the Sirijonga script and Mundhum oral traditions, showcases their deep-rooted civilization and historical continuity. Distinctive Practices: Their unique cultural practices, attire, and rituals distinguish them clearly from other ethnic groups, indicating a well-established indigenous identity. Brahmins as Refugees 1. Historical Migration: Mughal Invasion: Historical records show that Brahmins migrated to Nepal from regions like Bihar to escape the Mughal invasions. They integrated with the Khas people of Western Nepal, contrary to your claims of them being indigenous. Strategic Alliances: Brahmins cleverly allied with the Khas to secure influence and power, a far cry from being indigenous to Eastern Nepal. The Role During British Era 1. Anglo-Nepalese War: Military Bravery: The Rai and Limbus fought valiantly alongside Gorkha soldiers against the British, proving their loyalty and martial prowess. Their recruitment into the British Army was due to their demonstrated bravery, not because of some fictitious betrayal. Addressing Misinformation Your constant spamming of false information is not only disrespectful but also illegal. Misleading the public and falsifying history can have serious legal consequences. It's time you faced the facts instead of peddling lies. Conclusion The Rai and Limbus are true indigenous people of Eastern Nepal with a rich, verifiable history. Brahmins, on the other hand, migrated into Nepal as refugees. Your attempt to rewrite history to undermine the legitimacy of the Rai and Limbus is not only baseless but also offensive. The Rai and Limbus have always been integral to the region’s history, and no amount of misinformation can change that. Stop spreading lies and start respecting the truth. Your baseless accusations only highlight your ignorance and prejudice.
@atomvirus949
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WTF is going on this country ? Talking about cast , religion, blablabla,जो जाहाँ बाट आओस जाहाँसुकै बसोस, कस्तो खाल्को गीदी ? हामी नेपाली 🇳🇵❤️✌️🙏🫶!
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