Are DIMINISHED Chords Just DOMINANT Chords In Disguise?

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MusicTheoryForGuitar

MusicTheoryForGuitar

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Sometimes doing the same old dominant to tonic resolution gets boring, how can we use diminished chords to spice things up? Keep watching to find out!
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@jeremiahlyleseditor437
@jeremiahlyleseditor437 Жыл бұрын
Great thomasso. I learned something today. I never knew that the diminished symbol meant zero root, or no root. I had never heard of that before. Thanks
@kadengaines4829
@kadengaines4829 2 ай бұрын
That's because it's bullshit. Don't believe what you hear on the internet.
@tjp7154
@tjp7154 Жыл бұрын
Musical Proofs. Reminds me of Geometry, Trigonometry, and Calculus proofs, and I like it!
@brandex2011
@brandex2011 Жыл бұрын
Short answer: "Yes."
@bohnulus
@bohnulus Жыл бұрын
again, blown away by the simplicity and clarity..... ( º ) = 'No Root'.
@julianschamper5639
@julianschamper5639 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I would like to share another angle: I like to organize a key in the circle of thirds like C E G B D F A C or more general like 1 3 5 7 2 4 6 1. On paper one could draw an actual circle and add a label to the edges which distinguishes minor from major thirds. One would find that they alternate except for one spot where two minor thirds come in a row. I find it beautiful that this very compact representation alows so many insights about the major tonality and the relationship between its diatonic chords. Things it directly shows: - every major chord has its relative minor chord and the union of their notes give the minor 7 or 6th (major) chord - there are two major chords followed by a minor chord, thus there are two major 7th chords - as for the topic of the video: there is one major chord followed by the dim chord, together they form the dom7 chord I guess there are many more relationships which can be grasped easily by looking at this organization of the notes. The circle of thirds is also great for practicing chord inversions: If one goes through the chords in this order only one note changes per chord change and the nearest inversions just change by "one degree" in a consistent way, this could be also added to edges of the circle...
@zummo61
@zummo61 Жыл бұрын
I use the progression E7 C#7 G7 Bb7 in 12-bar blues progression format and migrate to Fdim, Ddim, G#dim, Bdim. Soloing over that is mind expanding.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 Жыл бұрын
This vid is a revelation to me, particularly that zero!
@kadengaines4829
@kadengaines4829 2 ай бұрын
It's false, and a common misinterpretation.
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar 2 ай бұрын
That it is a zero, and with that meaning, is documented in Walter Piston's Harmony (1959 edition) among other sources.
@rebeccaabraham8652
@rebeccaabraham8652 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation - and it’s rounding out my basic knowledge of chord substitution - which should be very helpful when trying to sound interesting when playing the blues - as well as fumbling through some basic jazz! PS - I've just thought back to 'Autumn Leaves' - and there's a C# diminished in there that's part of a ii-V-I - which is sort of a classic example of how to do it!
@dragasan
@dragasan Жыл бұрын
Shit!!! B° means zero root! I never put that together. I learn something new every day. Thanks!
@kadengaines4829
@kadengaines4829 2 ай бұрын
It's a misunderstanding, it does not signify the absence of a root.
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar 2 ай бұрын
That it is a zero, and with that meaning, is documented in Walter Piston's Harmony (1959 edition) among other sources.
@thymick5581
@thymick5581 Жыл бұрын
I am still amazed by theory when I finally understand it because it is explained so well! So much that you could apply this theory on any instrument, even drums and triangle for sure! Thx dear teacher
@someonesomewherewithsometh9604
@someonesomewherewithsometh9604 Жыл бұрын
Do you want a dominant chord or diminished? Me: Yes
@geofox6430
@geofox6430 Жыл бұрын
I used a Bm7b5 to go from A to Am...is that the same principle but borrowed from the relative key
@geofox6430
@geofox6430 Жыл бұрын
(also I only did this after watching your older video explaining how diminisheds act dominantly - thank you Tommaso!)
@arrestedshrimp
@arrestedshrimp Жыл бұрын
Isnt this the same for other chords tho? Like the 1 and 3 chord share the same notes minus the root in the 1.
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar Жыл бұрын
And indeed, you can substitute one for the other too.
@christopherheckman7957
@christopherheckman7957 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the creepy-sounding Hermann Chord / Hitchcock Chord / Psycho Chord C Eb G B is an augmented chord with a C added below it.
@not-on-pizza
@not-on-pizza Жыл бұрын
Isn't this just a special case of the tritone substitution?
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar Жыл бұрын
nope
@YannisFyssas
@YannisFyssas Жыл бұрын
Νόστιμο !
@M2Mil7er
@M2Mil7er Жыл бұрын
if you treat the root of the diminished chord as a major third, by adding the 6th degree of locrian as a bass note. Source: I'm guessing.
@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592
@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 Жыл бұрын
What is all this? Then likewise, if you are removing the root from a minor 7th chord, it becomes a major chord. Whats the point of all these word games? Why not just name the chords from the root and never not from the root. What is this no root business. How does it help? It seems like "oh look! 2+5+5+2+3+2 = 3+4+4+4+3+1. Wow....."
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar Жыл бұрын
Because you can substitute them for each other.
@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592
@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 Жыл бұрын
Is there something non-trivial here? We can always leave out some notes from the chord and get an approximate sound. How does calling them with different names make any difference?
@christopherheckman7957
@christopherheckman7957 Жыл бұрын
Actually, you're in good company. In Heinrich Schenker's book on harmony, he breaks apart a seventh chord and a dominant ninth in the same way. He dismisses any other use of 9th chords and all use of 11th or 13th chords, as they're really "overlapping triads".
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar Жыл бұрын
I never know if I have to answer when people ask "something non-trivial" or words of that effect, as I can never tell if they are asking sincerely or just mocking, but just in case you are asking sincerely, this is a good starting point: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9-JYKh3upjNm2g.html
@colmivers
@colmivers Жыл бұрын
​@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 it's about function more than names
@kadengaines4829
@kadengaines4829 2 ай бұрын
Scale degree 5 and 7 are dominant chords, it references harmonic function. They share notes, but the root of a 5 chord is 5 and the root of a 7 chord is 7. Stop spreading lies.
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar 2 ай бұрын
Could you quote the exact sentence (+timestamp) in the video that is a "lie" in your opinion?
@kadengaines4829
@kadengaines4829 2 ай бұрын
@@MusicTheoryForGuitar 0:08 "Diminished chords are dominant chords in disguise." No they are just dominant chords, no disguise. 0:35, Fully diminished chords are dominant and don't contain a minor 7th. Also, the mental gymnastics at 4:36 is gross. The diminished symbol being a zero and then implying it meaning no root is absolutely ridiculous, especially since you say it with such confidence, smh. Humble yourself man. 6:51 "A root that is not originally a diminished chord" is absolutely false. Scale degree seven is a completely different tendency tone than scale degree five and serve different functions when harmonized. Stop confusing people.
@MusicTheoryForGuitar
@MusicTheoryForGuitar 2 ай бұрын
*Sigh* 0:08 is correct, as I explain in the rest of the video. 0:35 is not a quote of what I say - if you have to resort to invent quotes, are you sure you are on the right side? 4:36 is not mental gymnastic, it's a well-documented fact (one source among many: Walter Piston's Harmony, 1959 edition). Also, "gross" is not an argument, just an insult. If you have to resort to insults, are you sure you are on the right side? 6:51 is a misquote, and even correcting the quote, that is simply you disagreeing, not me "lying". Yes, scale degrees 5 and 7 are different, of course, but that has no bearing on your or my argument. And yes, music theory has the unfortunate multiple meaning of "dominant" ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mpyff7mh1Mu0pXU.html ), but again, that's not a problem here. If you want to continue this discussion, happy to do it, but cut the insults or you're out.
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