Are eBikes Sh*t For Good Mountain Bikers?

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We've all had eMTB envy before - after putting all your effort into a climb, having an electric mountain bike pass you with ease can be extremely frustrating! Surely there must be a trade-off for the climbing ability, or does the extra weight help with descending as well? Neil Donoghue and Blake Samson are used to riding fast and jumping high, will a heavier bike affect their ability to perform or will it just enhance the fun?
⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - How do they feel on jump trails
4:14 - The Bikes
4:50 - How do they feel on tech trails
8:08 - Epic climb and jump montage
9:54 - Conclusion | Are eMTBs bad for good riders?
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@gmbn 6 ай бұрын

Do you own an electric mountain bike? Have you ever towed your friend or even a stranger up the hill?

@JohnRonFonz 6 ай бұрын

@embn?

@lukasvrana6388 6 ай бұрын

Yep, I own Reign E+1 (170/160) - pretty capable ebike, nice for riding around my area when I have no access to the lifts. I used it as well in Saalbach due transportation over the top to the Leogang. I am regularly towing my little boy (7) so we can enjoy local trails together. Time to time I help some of the friends. In our group we already have 4 ebikes with 5th on the way :) Its perfect for local trails around the city. But I have to say I have another (DH) bike for bikeparks :) I used to have trail/enduro bike, but I found I used it purely in bikeparks since my buy of the ebike....so I switched to DH.

@PedroMartinsEnduro 6 ай бұрын

Yes Sir! At my age 46, and my background of Enduro (Moto) I never done or have a MTB. So I went for it and discovered very fast that this is a good way to keep in shape and just go out and ride with your friends. And Yes, I towed some people during some events. I think people o "boo" or dislike the ebikes never had the chance to really appreciate and just complain for nothing. Honestly is 2 different categories and for sure we get help, but if you want to push as hell you can. Just change the assist mode like I did and ride only on eco, profile 2 Stock, 25kg and eco mode on my Canyon Neuron on 7 is a good workout! Good Job!🔥

@jonekone3769 6 ай бұрын

Yes, best way to ride with a non-ebike friend. Just need a short towing leash.

@mtootm 6 ай бұрын

Yes, I carry Towhee tow strap with me everywhere for the occasion that someone has a catastrophic failure.

@MTBPerspective 6 ай бұрын

I think the real solution is to move where the limit is 20mph ;-P Seriously, I rarely bump off the 20mph limit on trail and if I do it is somewhere I'd be coasting anyway on any bike. Coming up on 1000 miles on my Giant Trance E+ - right at 1 year owning it. Still riding my other bikes too and getting better on those because of the eMTB repetition and after a much heavier/longer wheelbase/longer travel bike for much longer rides, some new skills along with upper body strength are showing up - at 56y/o!!!

@KarstRats 3 ай бұрын

The point is. Some pros are going upwards of 50 mph. It was a video about are they shit for good riders. Not saying youre not good. But lets be real neither of us are jackson goldstone.

@pauljnicholls3929 6 ай бұрын

One of the best and most honest ebike reviews I've seen. All the things I would have said. Top marks for that one.

@Flexy1234 6 ай бұрын

If I would go Emtb I would pick the something big with huge travel most powerful motor and largest battery. For normal mtb I would go totally opposite so that you enjoy ridding both in different way.

@lechprotean 6 ай бұрын

n+1 indeed - I have a road bike for fast riding on flat asphalt, an MTB. I would love to try something like Trex eXe which in it's highest trim weight almost the same as my mid-range non-e MTB

@garethrobinson2275 6 ай бұрын

It's certainly a valid choice. I love my Specialized Levo SL though, far more downhills in a session and you don't feel the limit at all, it's just not a thing.

@pennmikael 6 ай бұрын

I have a 100mm XC hardtail and a 150/150 f/r emtb

@arranodoherty4372 6 ай бұрын

I've got opposite ,light hardtail with motor and battery in back pack and no speed limit

@fzr1000981 6 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I did...Crestline

@jokermtb 6 ай бұрын

Coming from a motocross background, I got into MTB in the late 1980’s. Always missed the ‘heft’ of a motocross bike when mtb’ing. Modern geometry Mtbs have certainly made this sensation reduce greatly for me, but one ride on an Orbea Rise felt like I’d finally come back home. It’s a real effect, one that most riders won’t ‘get’, but you guys did hit on that sensation very accurately. While emtb access lags greatly behind Europe, the 20 mph limit is a sweet spot. Michigan (where I live) is set to go fully legal regarding class-1 eebs in 2024, so I might finally justify getting an Orbea Rise….

@nigelrandtoul8646 6 ай бұрын

You are right, 20mph is the sweet spot, only those restricted to 15mph seem to derestrict

@nathantoney.1501 6 ай бұрын

One word: YUP

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ 6 ай бұрын

If I didn't get a Heckler SL I would have gotten an Orbea Wild. Probably the best full power on the market and it's pretty damn light too compared to the others.

@paulmca9731 6 ай бұрын

Great filming too. The last two jump shots were brilliant.

@gmbn 6 ай бұрын

Majestic! 🤘

@-DUTCHY- 6 ай бұрын

De-restricted my nukeproof the week after I got it. Its like night and day riding. So much more enjoyable

@martinkrutz5698 5 ай бұрын

A good honest review. I have owned an E-bike for the last 3 years and love the way they descend. My limiter is 32.0 k/hr and I think that makes a huge difference. I still feel there is still a place for normal MTB's. I am almost 59 and have just brought a new enduro bike as well.

@tomekkrr7806 5 ай бұрын

Enjoy; here in Germany we have 25kmh which is too low

@Dawes-Engineering 6 ай бұрын

My ebike is a heavy full fat 2020 giant stance e÷2 and i have recently made it a mullet. The full power allows me to blast through the deepest boggy terrain which my analogue bikes just can't cope with. It is one of the best bikes i have ever owned. I will always have an ebike, even for DH and bike parks.

@REVVINGRODNEY 5 ай бұрын

E bikes are brilliant for tech climbing then smashing the downhills... it's win win... I don't understand how anyone finds negativity in them... especially the ones who have never ridden one 😂😂😂 Great vid guys 💪

@ormondjosh 6 ай бұрын

That hip session footage was incredible. Such rad shots.

@shafiqjan1474 6 ай бұрын

20 is plenty for getting into trouble or having fun where I ride. My eMTB has been an awesome addition to my quiver for a mid-50s MTBer who refuses to stop. Don't knock it until you try it, it's not cheating anymore...

@jonekone3769 6 ай бұрын

Regarding the limiter. If Im riding a shallow downhill where I need to pedal a lot, I always put my bike in eco mode. That way you wont drop out of turbo and be in a too heavy gear just before a jump.

@egbah428 6 ай бұрын

Ive d restricted mine and what a hell of a differenc. I have way more control and dont have to worry about the motor cutting out. Way better for hitting jumps. I actually feel a lot safer without the worry of it cutting out and that sudden feeling of being dragged back.

@hdcbhgzu7479 5 ай бұрын

I felt that only in the beginning.the motor learns and it knows when to cut power without the feeling of driving into a wall

@garryhaines3066 6 ай бұрын

I have had 3 EMTB in total and inbetween them going back to HT and FS, but I just love my Levo great for jumping, trails, DH and all important getting up the hill for more rides. Love them. ❤

@johngreason9964 6 ай бұрын

The EMTB has so many advantages, but one really stands out, compromise or lack of. You can run big suspension, brakes, tires, aggressive geo, etc, with NO climbing penalties. Traverse any terrain, any time, any conditions.

@rickweber2556 5 ай бұрын

I really enjoy my Norco Sight VLT. We have big mountains to ride up in Vancouver area and it has actually brought back joy in climbing again. Downhill is not quite the same but pretty darn great! I still keep my regular bike for bike park or shuttle days. The ebike gets me more laps and leaves me less tired to enjoy the downhill and the downhill is why is the reason I ride.

@chantsmantrasandrelaxation5079 6 ай бұрын

Great slowmo shots...and riding obviously.

@aberdeendeltaforce 6 ай бұрын

The speed limit is a deal breaker for me, got rid of my e-bike because it is the single biggest restriction and ruins the bike, it’s heavy and you need that assisted power at any speed.

@cycologist7069 5 ай бұрын

Good or bad, the speed limit is what probably allowed them on trails that otherwise would not allowed any kind of motorized craft. It may or may not make sense that that's kind of how it is. Also the low speed in Europe IMO is why there's pretty much no contention between e-mountain bike riders and regular mountain bike riders.

@thechillcactus4042 6 ай бұрын

Love the vids guys but I was just wondering do you guys sell or know where to get the glasses you were wearing today as I also live in Europe and I usually ride in the rain and kinda need them. Thanks for the great videos you guys post.

@tylersvensson4468 6 ай бұрын

I think e bikes are great, they bring the fun back into riding. Not only does it save time riding up hills but when your on the trails it makes it so much easier. But I’ve had 2 different e bikes because 1 of them were faulty from factory and the other one has broken on me once within 130 miles. Other then that great bikes, don’t even notice the weight difference

@DaveJC85 6 ай бұрын

I bought my first E bike 3 months ago. Done about 100 mile on it far. Are they worth it? If youvdo alot of riding I will say yes. Don't buy one if you get out once in a blue moon as they are expensive and when I don't use mine for a week I feel guilty it's sat and I paid 5k for it! I've ridden hardtails and full sus for 20 years and I thought I'd give E a go. All I can say is they are amazing in every aspect IMO. Yes the climbing post a good downhill trail is a breeze and allows you to crack on and get a few more runs in. But I found the transition between fun sections mid trail is where it stands out. You can pedal are create so much more speed then you would on a regular bike. Allowing you to make most of the flat sections like a downhill! It makes the whole trial more fun! And it allows you to do trails more often without needing a breather. I love mine. The speed restriction can be annoying when it maxes out but I also think if I was derestricted I would of been in hospital a whole lot more! I find my self blasting into sections at max chat when the original design was to take X corner at the speed a mere mortal good generate, not a turbo mode e bike. I have had some near misses on sections yu shouldn't! When the warranty runs out and I can safely remove the restriction will I? Maybe but I end up breaking myself. Also I found myself riding I full turbo mode all the time. This week did 4 trails I normally scream down in turbo in trail and gave it big licks and the areas I sometime get a little sideways or close to trees and rocks I wa safe. My first thought was "wow I'm so much better now!" No the answer was no you are not! I proceded to do all thr trials in full turbo mode and the same areas ended up a problem as you simply carry so much more momentum the whole trails is obsurd! Am I pro rider? No? Does my ebike make me feel like one? Yes! Would anyone else think so? I doubt it!

@rottieshepcalibre9156 6 ай бұрын

You two are still pro riders. If y’all entered a competition you wouldn’t come last. Far from it. 😊 mad skillz

@gmbn 6 ай бұрын

🤙

@a.kolokotronis 6 ай бұрын

you are the pros we need guys! 😊😊

@the_spanner_ch7mp 6 ай бұрын

Blake and Neil shredding EMTB's 👊🤘 No more words needed 😁

@LaurentiusTriarius 6 ай бұрын

Everyone's doing its job, production is also killing it 👌

@rubendelange1076 6 ай бұрын

Love your videos

@earthcoaster6 6 ай бұрын

I love my Pivot Shuttle SL. Granted it’s my first Full Suspension as well but I don’t think I need to go faster than 20mph going up hill lol. It comes in at a little more than 35 lbs so it still feels fun & poppy! Fits my style pretty well. Thanks for the cool video! Cheers!

@FIGHTTHECABLE 6 ай бұрын

Wow amazing slow-mo of Neil and Blake on that jump, seeing the chain whip the ground and the bike and tyres compress! Interesting to see you both are riding coil shocks! I ordered a emtb with a coil shock and the new pinion mgu. I am still thinking if that was a good choice on the shock, the bike weighs 27 kg, despite being carbon framed.

@jcrewguy123 6 ай бұрын

1) Rippin' good riders. 2)Fantastic filming. 3) The UK speed restriction must suck. I'd imagine some there are program hacking or buying 20 mph bikes and shipping them in?

@glynskimcflynski1813 6 ай бұрын

sshhhh, don't tell anyone

@dunkie976 6 ай бұрын

That clacical jump edit feels very Forth Phase ;)❤👍

@danwood4750 6 ай бұрын

Who ever edited the soundtrack to this video needs a payrise 🙌. I use my e-bike for big adventure days, it takes me places a normal mtb wont, and for that alone I love it.

@markjames6129 6 ай бұрын

Just got my first web! Neuron 8 freeride, see ya on the trails

@dlauric 6 ай бұрын

Great video. Why is it so difficult to call an old style mountain bike a "PUSH BIKE" or "PUSH MTB (P-MTB)" as I see everyone pushing these bikes around, especially up hills. Other names used are normal mtb, acoustic mtb, it's like they are in no mans land. Love the channel.

@Dannyjones1 6 ай бұрын

Just got back from a wet ebike adventure. I do so much more riding these days because of the battery and motor, no matter the weather. The extra weight is brilliant once you get used to it.

@Acill 6 ай бұрын

I was very anti E-MTB for quite some time, and to some extent I still am. I picked up an S-Works Kenevo SL several months ago after taking one out for a weekend demo ride. (If you hate them don't demo one is all I have to say now) I can absolutely say the SL is a blast to ride. The speed limit doesn't bother me at all. I ride an Intense Tracer as my Enduro race bike and love to go fast as well. The Kenevo lets me go nearly as fast since its only a few pounds heavier. Its the perfect bike for having fun getting up the mountain and then blasting back down it again several times in a row. Its completely changed my opinion on E-MTB. I haven't been on a full fat, and dont plan on it any time soon, but I am sure they are a blast as well.

@johnboylan5235 6 ай бұрын

Amazinglyly I have done the exact same thing...went from tracer to Kenevo SL...love the SL because I have more energy after techy climbs...able to work the rocks at the top with energy left for cheeseburger and beer.

@steveoconnor4615 6 ай бұрын

Bought an ebike first at the ripe old age of 50 lol, hit some fun steep climbs and trails, after a few months of getting in to it I bought an analogue mtb to get a different experience and feel, love them both for different reasons, I try to get out on the mtb 1-2 times during the week and every Sunday is Ebike fun where we can just ride as much tracks as we want and enjoy the steep climbs.

@Racer3x 6 ай бұрын

Its actually 28mph here in America. And im sure the 15mph speed limit can be removed. Its not like there are mountain bike police on trails.

@timsnewromann 6 ай бұрын

What is that jacket Neil is wearing? Looks like something really good for over here where i need to wear different amount of layers underneath..

@bostondye3736 6 ай бұрын

As a US citizen with a modern ebike...if ebikes in the USA had the same restrictions as in the UK, they wouldn't be half as popular. Even at 20mph in the USA. I prefer analog on local flow trails.

@busslayer4790 6 ай бұрын

Is there any standardization with eMTB battery packs or are they all bespoke?

@KevisSquatchin 6 ай бұрын

Out of the two bikes which is your favorite?

@N911GT2 4 ай бұрын

The biggest pro for me is that I have no self control, so I ride my bike to the bike park give everything I have and then have to ride back again. The ride back was always hell, keeping me from going the next time, until I got an EMTB. Now I still do the same, but the EMBT gets me home comfortably en motivated to do it again.

@leonpersoons475 6 ай бұрын

What brand & type of raincoat is that (the one where you can put the cap over a helmet) ?

@stephenday9553 6 ай бұрын

Definitely prefer the weight of my wild to a standard mtb. I’m not a jumper so it’s great having the stability for the rough tech trails.

@Lee-ic2yn 6 ай бұрын

Same here I actually prefer the feeling of s heavy bike, feels like they can handle bumps much better

@metalwheelz 6 ай бұрын

Nice hip jump at 9:10. I think your chain smacked the ground on the landing.

@xrocket100 6 ай бұрын

As a rider for years and just got a full fat emtb I would say as a heavier rider (beef cake) of 100kg the weight doesn’t bother me. If your a light rider I could see it might feel heavy but you’d get more range and you could maybe get a lite emtb

@DoesItTrack 6 ай бұрын

When I'm not on my Demo 8, i'm on my Kenevo. It's a great tool for full smash.

@adamwharmby4864 6 ай бұрын

I have a Whyte E180 absolutely love it I don't do trail centre riding but do a lot off wild riding honestly you can't beat the ebike it's taken me further and done a lot more then I usually would do on my normal bike I chipped mine to 28mph makes a huge difference and I use it for commuting everyday

@glynskimcflynski1813 6 ай бұрын

Had mine for a couple of years now and about 3000 miles, removed the speed limiter after about two weeks and never looked back. So fast on the downhill sections and the speed they climb on steep tech and long thankless climbs make them worth the money alone. I hated them until I tried one and was instantly converted.

@RobDuggan 6 ай бұрын

Recently got to have a proper ride on an E bike visiting New Zealand. I hired out a Husqvarna 180mm 27.5, it was an absolute blast! Loved it... But thats as close as I'll get to one... here in Australia they're just waaaay too expensive for people on lower incomes to afford. So, regular bike it is for the foreseeable future.

@MarvinWestmaas 6 ай бұрын

I you have a bit older frame, it's not much work to fix your own kit to it. tongshen makes some nice, cheap, torque sensor mid drives. Tsdz10 is designed for emtb usage, but I'm using a tsdz2b which is meant for e-city/e-touring but so far it's been steller anyway. Thing is, the spindle is rather weak due to it being small diamter and there are circ clip grooves in it. For me it's not that bad, I am a lightweight. But if you're not. jumps/drops will probably result eventually in a broken spindle. Which you can replace for not much cash... Or, if you got a little bit more cash to spend up front, TOSEVEN makes nice kits. Thing is, you can forget mounting any of these to a carbon frame, just never going to happen. And even newer bikes with >73mm bottom bracket can be a pain, there are kits with longer spindles though so that should be fixable. And both TOSEVEN and Tongshen make torque sensor mid drives at good prices, unlike BAFANG which is cadence based and not suited really for embt usage.

@kyleslater5245 6 ай бұрын

I dunno they have some bloody good sales on. I grabbed a rocky Mountian a30 for $6k Canadian (normal price is $7900) this winter. So far I’m loving it.

@stephenlord599 6 ай бұрын

I think you hit it on the head. The 15.5mph limit really sucks on jumps that need a bit more speed and I find I'm either riding different trails or on some where pedalling is required putting in way more effort than I'd need to on my real bikes or mates who have chipped theirs. I ride 4-6 times a week and probably take the eMTB less than half but if anything I just ride more especially if I might otherwise lack motivation and that somehow overlaps with the speed limiter being a pain on some gaps. I tow people all the time, probably 1/2 the eMTB rides and swapped bikes yesterday just so I could tow someone who was having a bad day. As 'lighter than Neil ' the full fat MTB weight doesn't bother me at all except with the caveat of jumps I need to pedal past assist.

@wonderingjo 6 ай бұрын

I ride a Rotwild RE375. It kinda sits between the light and the full e-bikes as it has a full 85nm ep8 alongside a small quick release 375wh battery. Riding downhill I rarely notice the resistance from the motor. On more flat trails where you are pushing into that 25km/h restriction I just drop the assist down to eco to make them legs work. But a 32km/h limit would be better.

@sicmic 6 ай бұрын

If I ever get an ebike I will 100% be removing the limiter. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for people who don't.

@masterofdisaster7427 5 ай бұрын

I own a Cannondale moterra with shimano motor. de-restricted with a Speedbox. This is a must do to have max fun with an Emtb.

@nopenope5812 6 ай бұрын

Love you guys!

@jamesdoyle1764 6 ай бұрын

I didn’t realize that they limit e-bikes to 15.5 mph in Europe. That would be frustrating. The 20 mph limit in the states is much better. For regular trails and jumps, you don’t hit the limit as much and I am able to go way faster than I can on the regular bike.

@junka1975 6 ай бұрын

I haven't ridden an E-bike myself but I have ridden with guys who were on them and they certainly have big advantages for people who have had big injuries and want that assistance to take the punishment off their bodies. Which allows longer rides.

@andrewrivera4029 6 ай бұрын

I’ve got the Canyon Torque ON with the 900Wh battery and it flys down hill as well as up, I don’t notice the weight til I have to lift it to put in my truck!

@IGLJM 6 ай бұрын

The limiters are dangerous. My bike had the 30km/h limit, and I found I would always hit it right when i needed it the most (Before jumps etc.) I bought a Speedi. It changed the limit to 45km/h. It's like a whole new bike now. Best purchase ever.

@Lee-ic2yn 6 ай бұрын

I agree 100% Especially when riding on the road (yeah i know its weird) at least you're not holding the traffic up and getting in the way

@jamesmccarthy427 4 ай бұрын

Hi. What make are those hand guards fitted. They're a good size. Not too big.cheers

@madmick6805 6 ай бұрын

I ride the Canyon Spectral:ON 9.0 with a 9ooW battery and yesturday I rode a 32 mile route around the Peaks taking in Win Hill then onto some down hills in the adjacent to the Hill then onto Edale then a hook around near Hayfield and a decent down Jacobs Ladder. The total climbs for the day was 5240 Feet, and a lot of the climbs you would struggle if not need to push up on a normal MTB. I had 4 miles of range left according to the computer. And yes the odd time I would super man my mate on his normal MTB, and that is where I extend my arm out and push his shoulder area. Really need a bit rope though.

@onsight2822 6 ай бұрын

How can Neil still look as young as he did in the Sprung 4 film 🤷‍♂️🤯 Great video as always guys 👍

@pierrefpv6537 6 ай бұрын

How did you like the vittoria mazza race under this muddy conditions?

@chrissaltinstall8916 6 ай бұрын

Hi Guys, I have a Focus Jam2 SL with the Fazua Motor and you can effortlessly ride through the 15mph in fact you it only has about 4 watts of resistance! 19kgs enough power to assist up the Climbs Perfect! Ride mainly at Cannock Chase! Chris👍

@tobyehillier 6 ай бұрын

I have the Wild 2 years now. Great bike...Bosch motor is really quiet, had no issues. Upgraded the brakes to Hope tech4 and they're perfect for handling the weight. Put a Halo Gravitas on the back with a rockstop insert. Ive a magic Mary on the front and a big Betty on the back, but i don't like the big Betty... It doesn't do lateral grip at all, so I'll put Mary on the back and an Assegai up front. 2 years riding; 5000 kilometres; I've had 3 mechs, 2 hangers and 4 chains. I'm on my second chainring.... Just bought a Santa Cruz Nomad V3 off a lad for 800 quid and I have to say it's a bit more fun downhill, and I need to pedal up properly a good bit or else I'll lose the power in my legs again. The Eeber is way better fun when you've the fitness level to ride a normal bike. Once you've had an emtb for a while, it kinda starts to make sense that you ride it less. One thing it is good for which nobody has seemed to mention, is session'ing .... The emtb is the ultimate session tool

@adamwright2477 6 ай бұрын

What’s not to love! Loads of laps baby

@CraigFyfe 6 ай бұрын

Having ridden heavy and light e bikes, the lighter ones do feel more normal bikes on the descents but the cost is just too much for me to get such a light one and they aren't as light as my 160mm travel enduro bike at 14kg

@jokermtb 5 ай бұрын

I don’t normally ride my acoustic bike for more than 2 hrs at a time. So, I don’t anticipate needing a mega range system in an ebike. But, having that capability could allow me to actually do long 3+ hour rides, as I’ve never considered it as a regular option

@mikerbwind 6 ай бұрын

my bet is both of you will only ride EMTB when you hit 70 years old!! Good video and I agree the assisted speed limit is just a little too low but on the downhill runs with jumps ( little ones!) that I ride there is only one that I notice it....the rest gravity does the work assisted by the weight of the bike and 29 front and back wheels....and some pumping.......so no pedalling required! You mentioned riding different terrain and the challenge of techy uphill climbs that no standard MTB could negotiate but beware......long, slack, big travel bikes are not the best climbers.....as Blake demonstrated!!😁

@earlwhiff2012 6 ай бұрын

Great tunes btw , who chooses the music ?

@crush1221 6 ай бұрын

Can't imagine that Canyon feels great anywhere unless it's vertical.

@robkillick7050 6 ай бұрын

I've a friend that has developed tendonitis in his elbow since purchasing his full fat ebike due to trying to ride it like his old acoustic bike, he just has to plough through things rather than popping over roots and rocks.

@claudiufloroiu7957 6 ай бұрын

Work is work, sunshine or rain, appreciate you guys going out there when you probably wouldn't want to..

@brandonmcauslan 6 ай бұрын

Don’t understand the complaint of speed limit? It’s just that the assist cuts off? There is no limit? When going downhill on an e-bike I generally turn assist off or at least to low. It may be that when pedalling down when you hit the limit the assist cuts out. Likely you will be in a more difficult gear than normal because you’ve had assist artificially making your legs stronger. So the trick is to tailor the level of assist on the downs (or turn it off) and get the gear into the right place so you can control the speed better at that higher pace? Also weight wise in terms of trail damage as people have mentioned - something to think about - what is heavier? A 100kg person on a 12kg bike? Or a 80kg person on a 20kg e-bike?

@myroslav6873 5 ай бұрын

I have one, with the 500Wh battery. I find it quite frustrating to pedal when you are out of charge. Movind those 24 kilos is hard. I have the speed limit removed (live in a place where the limit is much higher and the limit is on power, not speed). I'd say it's worth it if you've got 650-700+ Wh battery and with no speed limit. Maybe that's because I tend to go on multi hour rides every time. Commuting to work or going to a shop is very cool on a bike like that though.

@sharonhockey9184 6 ай бұрын

where is that hip jump nearing the end of the video!??

@razorree 6 ай бұрын

i guess it starts to be unwieldy with 900Wh (especially that extra 1kg is close to the headtube)

@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v 6 ай бұрын

Do you get to ride the 20mph version much?

@christianmasters3240 6 ай бұрын

I finally bought a high end ebike after riding analog for many year... It did 110 miles then the engine broke... I regret my decision......

@mole3481 6 ай бұрын

Where in the FOD is this at 09:02 I've never seen this jump there before. Looks fun.

@spdaltid 6 ай бұрын

Kinda the weights of the old gravity sleds I used to ride, without the uphill coronary. I think maybe the comment that you ride it differently is the most telling. eMTB's are sure capable fun in their niche, but they're not MTB's. Thankfully, some of us can still ride those well into our sixties. I'll get an eMTB when I'm old enough for golf!

@peterrew1023 6 ай бұрын

Where was Blake when he recorded the run-down of his bike at 4:30? A portaloo??

@AzDub2 5 ай бұрын

My problem with eMTB is, that a lot of the people riding them are not, at the skill level that the trail requires. I've been riding my local trails for 30 years with little change to them. The trails have taken a beating with a lot of easier bailouts created in the last year or so. Some parts have gone from single track with a step up, to something you can drive a MAC truck on.

@sjaan7370 6 ай бұрын

Can't wait till we see more advancements in battery tech! Looking forward to my 180mm/170mm travel enduro eride with a 1000w battery, all at ~35lbs 😎

@Tumid1 6 ай бұрын

Hope you are R-E-A-L-L-Y patient (and young) because you won't see those specs in the next 10 years...or more😂

@sjaan7370 6 ай бұрын

@@Tumid1 I know 1000w at 35lbs may sound inconceivable at the present moment, but with the world becoming ultra focused on e-everything new breakthroughs are happening rapidly. As of today, most SL emtbs are matching the average weight of DH race bikes(without inserts). That said, the next 5 years should be exciting 😎

@Zaaxun 4 ай бұрын

Depends on what your riding, a trail with a lot of jumps and big drops a lighter bike would be better. My ebike is 62lbs it's like a flying tank, but it's fun as heck on intermediate runs. Whatever trail I'm riding I'll choose one or the other that's why I have both electric and regular.

@user-hg6br3dr1d 6 ай бұрын

Chip, chip, chip. I ride in BC where the limit is 32 kph. I ride an RM PP, big bike that handles almost anything with ease. Early on I found out how dangerous the limiter can be when I cased a gap jump that I would normally sailed over on my analog Slayer. Big hit, hard landing. When you hit the limiter it’s like dropping an anchor, not what a guy needs upon approaching a jump. Chipped my bike and now make the gap no problem. I know, warranty is fucked if it ever has to be sent back for motor repairs but that is small beer compared to crashing hard due to the limiter. And besides, I really don’t think the chip is that hard on the motor, it really only kicks in for perhaps 2 seconds at a time 2-3 times per really fast DH.

@toddjohnson838 6 ай бұрын

These guys are showing exactly why I do not like e-bikes on the trails - they go out on muddy days and rip-up the trails with deep ruts. If e-bike riders would just stay off the trails on wet days and show some consideration for other riders, I would have no problem with them. In fact, I believe that handicapped or >50 year-old riders should be allowed to use them anywhere.d

@rodmarker2071 6 ай бұрын

Im no longer young and have a bad ticker (couple of heart attacks behind me), without an e-bike my biking days would be over . Ok there is no free lunch, higher maintenance, heavy .. but without it Im just watching KZfaq or staying on the flat. But guys Im regularly getting up to +40Kmph downhill - the motor is only stops at 25kmph - but my bike doesn't ????

@MrFlapstick 6 ай бұрын

Speed limit should be full power 250W to 25kph, then reduced power ~50W above to 35-40kph

@CorneliusMinfur 6 ай бұрын

40 seconds is crazy

@waynepennock115 6 ай бұрын

Gonna start calling my Megawatt “The Beast” from now on 😂😂😂😂😂

@iansingleton 6 ай бұрын

Does having a motor help with traction? I'm sure having the extra weight will help but I actually mean using the power of the motor! You guys were riding up some pretty wet and slick looking root rock sections, I'm pretty sure I'd be struggling to get up there.

@gmbn 6 ай бұрын

I think it's a combination of a few things. The weight would help with traction but the motor itself wouldn't change anything, tyre choice would make the biggest change for traction. Because the motor is doing a lot of the work you can focus on balancing more than putting down power which definitely helps!

@iansingleton 6 ай бұрын

@@gmbn that's exactly what I thought. Thanks very much for the info. Great film as always 👍

@Robert-df3fn 6 ай бұрын

I ride o norco shoe 2 2006 and my bike has 20 kg it’s not electric and it doesn’t bother me so the weight of a bike is not a problem for me so am I missing something or what ?

@Robert-df3fn 6 ай бұрын

Shore*

@cornishcactus 6 ай бұрын

A demo Whyte E180rs made me feel like a hero, I could ride turns and rough faster than I ever could on my trail bike. The weight, the travel, the extra grippy tyres that you can afford to lug about. Totally useless for our weekly down country style rides and the many styles and hedges we go over.

@evansnr 6 ай бұрын

Totally agree with the weight thing and riding differently. I love drifting my ebike through corners, it's just so much easier to control. I rarely drift my acoustic, it just doesn't give the same feeling back to give me the confidence to do it.

@8FunGuy8 6 ай бұрын

Just a thought, but it could be possible for ebikes to hurt the mountain bike industry. I saw this in the radio control Helicopter hobby, with drones. You see, when you make something easier, then you seemly open the door for more people. What I saw in the R/C industry, was an advancement in technology and electronics that help a new person, or advanced a seasoned veteran. The influx of those that really don't want to work for it, or quit when they get bored with it, started killing the hobby over time. Part of this was directly related to manufacturing and business. The client changed, and sales/marketing changed. Within a few years, the whole hobby changed. The details could be argued. But mark my words, we could see bikes marketing changes that actually hurt the sport. We seem to be at a peak of some of the best mtb right now. I just wonder what companies will survive this new era.

@geoffreypease3585 6 ай бұрын

We are spoiled here in the US , EMTB go to 20mph

@VelkePivo 6 ай бұрын

Looked like unwieldy behemoths to me.

@Lenswide 6 ай бұрын

Put a Speedi on your rear disc and you are good to go

@eXaviar 6 ай бұрын

Sorry, but I don't get it: Why does the speed limit bother you? It not link the bike gonna throw an Anker and slow you down, when you hit the limit. You can pedal way beyond... Can someone explain? I have ridden some E-Bike and on the uphill it is really nice with the boost and on the downhill, it is pushing onwards because of its weight and I need to break harder...

@oklahotb3217 6 ай бұрын

Most motors have significant drag when the assist cuts off.

@eXaviar 6 ай бұрын

@@oklahotb3217 oh shoot. That would be really bad and a real no go for me, if I would ever consider buying an ebike. Thanks for the answer

@oklahotb3217 6 ай бұрын

@eXaviar the Trek Fuel Exe does not suffer from that issue due to the TQ motor it uses. When you reach speed cut off, the motor disengages from the cranks. Feels like a normal bike.