What other ErgonoMyths would you like us to test?

It would be lovely if you did an unboxing video of Dygma Defy to show the packaging, and what's inside the box from the perspective of a customer.

As a kid, I fell off of my bike and sprained my wrist. Ever since, I'll get chronic pain if I strain that wrist too hard. Wrist pronation from typing on a normal keyboard for too long counts, so ErgonoMyth 3 is absolutely confirmed in my case. In fact, your dedicated and more robust tenting kit is why I bought the Raise instead of the Moonlander (that and I wanted a Defy, so I figured I'd get used to your tech before that finally released).

Context is king! I'm really looking forward to comparing the defy with my kinesis advantage 2, firsthand, for _my_ hands. I'm sure there will something(s) I like better about each. I suspect I'm going to miss the keywell, but I *do* find my fingers curl a little too much for the bottom row. Another area where context seriously matters: as a programmer, I need to type {}[]()~,.:+-*/\"_ more frequently than non-programmers, and I probably and use esc/meta/alt/cntl/shift/super chords more often too. I've heavily customized the symbol and special key mappings on my kenesis, and I've been playing in Bazecor ... but there's always a period before the new muscle memory is learned where it isn't yet clear how fast or ergonomic the mapping will be. I'm curious if _your_ software developers are sharing their bazecor configs. If so, what editors/IDEs/languages have they optimized for?

Production quality of these videos is incredible 👍

It is kind of sad to see less views on your videos despite of being top notch. But keep making these vids, you guys are awesome.

Great stuff as always Nixee, will be showing this to my students this year!

You have sick humour in those videos. This quick 3 -4 seconds jokes are simply perfect🤩It's just a short and the story continues no one gets distracted. Others drag on and drag on till the joke is in a retirement home and one loses focus.

Holy crap!! The negative tilt thing is the best advice I've received all year in terms of ergonomics! I got a squishy pad from hyperx and it's worked wonders to relieve back and wrist pain. There's so many things that go into "good" posture, it takes time, pain, and experience to learn.

I feel sorry for those with hands too big or small for a welled keyboard, the difference between my kinesis & moonlander is night and day, even though they're both splits.

Tenting means that you're fighting gravity to stop your arms from dropping the whole time. This also puts extra strain on muscles such as the flexor carpi ulnaris, abductor digiti minimi, and possibly other associated muscles around the elbow and the ulnal collateral ligament over time. Obviously there's a lack of empirical data, anyone who's carried too many shopping bags at once will tell you that sometimes the proof is in the pudding.

OMG!...I would love to see the "Garcia Defy Untouchables Edition", you can look but you cannot touch. Ooh la la cest magnifique! Thank you "Dygma Team" for another great informative video👍. Keep them coming❤. 🙋‍♂Saludos de Nueva York 🗽.

The bullshit I see is in terms of supply-chain issues around availability for keyboards like these outsides of the USA. So much for the Global Economy. I'd love the Glove80 from MoErgo but don't want the import and shipping costs to the UK that I'd have to deal with. This makes me sad :(

ErgonoMyth: You must sit up straight. The advice should be: Do not slouch forward. I love to lean back so that the back rest takes some load off my spine. When you lean back, positive keyboard tilt can become a benefit. I'm not sure I fully agree with the mentioned negatives of a keywell. A keywell brings keys closer together. Those with smaller hands may still need to stretch to reach function keys (if not moved to layers), but less so. Also, although the keyboard inevitably becomes thicker (all else equal), you may not need to sit higher if the halves are (significantly) tented. In the extreme case of 90° tenting (45° may already be enough), no difference in seating height would be required.

This is great! Your scriptwriting has improved massively in the last 2 videos or so... Love it!

Keywell for everybody Glove80 nuff said

I find elevated typing instently get rid of pain in any keyboard

With the exception of those with very small or very large hands the well is better period. That one is not a myth.

In my experience of using various things, everything is ergonomic if used for sparse and short enough periods. It's the 12h marathons where every detail must be optimized.

I have to say that when I got a Kinesis all my RSI went away

steps #1 seat properly, your hips should be higher than your knees, this will make comfortable and easy to seat with straight back, and then adjust monitor(s) to your eyesight. #2, get your keyboard.

Wow, this really opened my eyes to some things I never even thought about. By the way, I've got a pretty important question: what's the model of wristwatch Dominique is rocking in the video?

Weird to say key wells are busted for the horizontal rotation, when the biggest impact i've had apart from keys being easier to reach, is the vertical rotation of the wrists. Key wells allow you do have a completely neutral wrist even when you lift your fingers to press different keys regardless of position

Eh, I’ve tried both the kinesis and glove80 and a handful of other ergo keyboards and you can’t convince me keywells are not more ergonomic. If the “tenting myth” can get a plausible rating, then so should keywells 😅.

I just type with my hands at an angle on a regular keybard… i.e. my "home row" is approximately adfv njlå (å is the key right of p on a Norwegian keyboard), though I don't have my hand locked in one particular position anyway, I never learned some "proper" touch type technique; I just realised I could type without looking at the keybard after programming for several years. I also type a lot left handed whenever I'm doing something that requires a lot of mouse and only occasional typing. I can type fairly fast using only the left hand (though then I need to look at the keyboard to reach all the way over to p). But of course since I'm a programmer I don't actually type a lot continuously… programming is way more thinking and testing than typing. I've never actually had any strain injuries from working with a keyboard, but I have had carpal tunnel issues when gaming, mainly from pressing the wasd keys and the mouse too hard when I get excited; which is why I think the whole idea that the keyboard needs to be bent or chopped in half to improve ergonomics is rather weird. How does that have any effect on pressing too hard? Also I stopped using my fancy "gaming keyboard" with tall mechanical keys and started using the relatively flat rubber dome keyboard instead somehow the tall keys just made me press harder than the flatter low travel keys of a laptop or a flatter than model M rubber dome keyboard.

Keyboards are great, but the Big fingerball Trackball was the only thing that helped me. Kensington Slimblade was a game changer.

thank you for this! i feel like so much advice about ergonomics is in the format of simple rules without context, and the truth is that ergonomics is very much about context. one thing i'd like to see in a new video is the myth that ergonomic tools should hyperfocus on sustaining a single 'correct' position for hours, when we evolved to thrive on range of motion. split keyboards are great for this.

Dominique really channeled the old spice guy for that segment :P

Amazing video! Keep rocking, guys! ❤

Awesome video. Super entertaining (and informative). Checking out that keyboard at 10:50 now 😊

im just casually curious so i went down the youtube rabbit hole and found this video. you're a hoot! you should be doing everyones' boring safety and orientation videos for workplaces.

That negative tilt eample right at the beginning is kinda not at all ideal. When you initially put her arm there it looks okay, but once she seems to get comfortable shes having to bend her wrists down. I can imagine this being okay if you dont bend the wrists. Trust me, ive had to learn the hard way. I thought i had carpal tunnel for a couple years until a doctor told me it was actually tendonitis. I was using wrist rests that made my hands tilt down while my arms came up ever so gradually to the desk/surface just before the keyboards/mice etc. Once i removed the wrist rests and started favoring the positive tilt posture you give as an example and ive yet to have any pains or issues for nearly a decade. I am building my own keyboard though and i tuned it with too much positive tilt so i am feeling some fatigue i want to fix. Ill likely be tenting/tilting one of my keyboard halves to be higher on the left side than the right.

This is a direct attack on my beliefs.

Great intro and production quality, I love the information in this video and that RGB ergonomic keyboard is fire 🔥 I’m subscribing!

I'm pretty sure negative tilt is relative to the angle of the forearm, not the table. You want to be just slightly flexed from neutral, so about 5 degrees to the floor, or negatice 5 degrees. Your high-table negative tilt is actually way over tilted, something like 30+ degrees down. Its often poorly described in terms of keybaord height though so its definitely a misconception/myth. Anothing thing I'll add for those interested in the muscle physiology is that there is something called the length tension relationship of muscles. Because of the amount of overlap in actin and myosin filaments, muscle strength is greatest when the muscle is in its midrange, and its weak when its in a shortened or lengthened position. Since the tendons of the fingers cross the wrist, that means that being in a neutral position actually makes your fingers stronger and so each keystroke takes left effort. Additionally, because the flexors of the fingers are actually one complex interwoven muscle, being in that neutral position means thay flexing one finger is less likely to compromise the power of another. All that to say, your fingers are more dextrous with less effort when your wrist is neutral. It isn't just about comfort and compression.

I was a little peeved with myth one since, while sure, if your desk setup puts the keyboard above the level of your elbows the negative tilt won't make it ergonomic, any keyboard set above the level of your elbows will be equally not ergonomic making you put undue pressure on your wrists. The problem there is not the tilt of the keyboard but the elevation of your desk. A more fair test would be, with proper ergonomics otherwise, will the negative tilt be better for you?

Aside from the jumpcuts blaming my keyboard for my chair or desktop height is kinda myopic.

Well, I don't like every aspect of the video, but your arguments are valid an a great help. The way I understand modern algorythms... Just skip my not on that video aspects. For me none is busted or plausible since your arguments are what matters. Thanks for them ;)

Cute video. Maybe I'm just "old school" but I have been using a Logitech K350 keyboard for over 8 years and have only one complaint about it. I use Linux, so all those extra command buttons are useless. This brings me to my questions: Does the Dygma keyboard (any of them) work with Linux? I'm constantly packing my keyboard into my backpack, which is full of other computer stuff I use (mouse, cables, headphones, etc.) and it takes a beating. So, my second question: How sturdy are the Dygma keyboards?

Just slicing that keyboard in half makes it hella ergonomic, but obviously, if the keys get all jammed up, start feeling stiff, or pull a disappearing act now and then, it's not gonna be comfortable. So, bottom line, a decent keyboard with nice, split keys is the way to go.

That was a great video, although you made a disservice to yourself (as a competitor to ZSA) by not even mentioning their Wing Wrist Rest, especially when mentioning that your product had a similar addon.

You guys are very talented! Production level is insane!

Great video and an amazing device. My question is whether I can use Bazecore on a Chromebox.

ergo's are good! i just received my Q13 Pro. Loving it so far.

Finally, kinesis keyboard :) It is funny, yet very inspiring, to see how you fellas try to compete with kinesis. First of all: why do you show older version of kinesis? they already have split models and cool magnetic wrist pads. Second of all: you will not find kinesis keyboard to be ergonomic if you press the 'A' key with your Ring finger instead of pinky. Seriously guys, your marketing team is best i ever seen. Dominique is great as always. I know that nobody cares about my opinion, but if I were you I would utilize approach done by OnePlus 1 mobile phone seller. Where they accepted the fate of being at most number two since number one belongs to Apple. or rebrand yourselves and become full time marketing company.

Its funny I watch these videos while having the trashiest laptop set up my laptop is so high up an my elbows trying to do the chicken dance can't wait for anything else lol

Thanks for sharing this video. ❤❤❤

“Hey! I didn’t even eat the mousse.” I only wish my budget were bigger or that ergonomic keyboards weren’t so expensive. Otherwise, I’d have a Glove 80, Advantage 360, and would be waiting for a Defy.

The answers I never knew I needed to know. Thanks!

2:15 if you do that, that's its own problem

how ergonomic old typewriters were? Thanks!

1. why would anyone have their elbows like that lmao 2. so negative tilt is good again...

Love the video. Never red the ny timez.

kinesis is a great keyboard for programmers because of Vim. If you are someone who go back and forth using mouse, keyboard, mouse , keyboard 600 times, why do you even need a kinesis keyboard? You are fooling yourself, the point is your hands will barely leave the keyboard, that is possible with Vim, it only makes sense only if you are a programmer

I laughed, I learned, I subscribed. 😊

i live in germany and have almost no choice bc nearly all ergonomic keyboards use the qwerty layout lol

Which is better keyboard? Digma Raise or Ligma Bolce?

You should offer Topre switch clones as they have only 30-35 grams of actuation, and their domes make the experience like typing on pillows. Very good for arthritic fingers.

I played piano, so I always elevate my wrists anyway. Still, I want to try one of these keyboards just because I think they look super cool lol.

this video tries so hard to throw shade on the Kinesis keyboard.

Anyone know the brand and model of the ergo keyboard they picture with wooden look top plate and thumb keys?

lol the keyboard costs over 600$ with everything. Wtf such a high price

Moonlander.

Funny vid. 5:40 I find this info definitely. I made a mouse pad that does this also. Requires flat magnets. I never thought about the negative tilt. I might have to re designing my table top/desktop.

Typing with the kinesis advantage sitting on your lap works wonders (arm rests can get in the way so I remove them). Highly recommend, it has been my solution for RSI in my hands, wrist, forearms, shoulders, and neck

1:53 vs 1:56 The ads vs painful reality :))

You guys are funny. That's how branding should be done. By the way... what vertical mouse goes best with a Dygma keyboard?

YOU CANNOT CREATE A PERFECT OUTCOME ALL THINGS OF THIS NATURE ARE SAME TROUBLE

how do you not have more subs?!

@DygmaLab what is this song when you put Portuguese flag?

what is that wooden keyboard at 5:02? With rounded thumb keys 🤤

What is the red keyboard you show on de video?

dygma DYGMA BAAWWWWZZZ gottem

Too many distractions in this video. Didnt learned anything

This editing is making me hyperventilate

first: QWERTY never "ergo", so I ignore every keyboard with this layout, despite whatever fantasie name they try to claim themselves. No thanks!

Didn't like this video. It's nothing more than a clickbait.

stop clowning