Amen brother

I paid $300 more to go from 80 to 95% efficiency! Soooooo!

Sorry, apartment managers/owners are NOTORIOUS for buying the absolute cheapest CRAP that they can because the equipment is on their dime while the cost to operate it is on the tenant. They couldn't care less if the tenant has to pay $1000/month for utilities.

Hey David, is that refrigerator in the background that GE from the pitstop? Signed your pal Rusty

I finally went from an evaporation cooler to refrigerated air. Needed a new furnace. Couldn't use the old one. I was always worrying about a cracked heat exchanger in the old one. So I got thinking about it and wired in the blower motor to the gas valve to start immediately upon the call for heat. Got room cool air for a couple minutes but other than that that furnace lasted over 30 years. I was depending on the thermal probe to roll over when the furnace warmed up to engage the blower motor. Well one day the switch didn't roll over to start the blower and the furnace got extremely hot. Could have burned my house down had there not been high temp manual reset over temp sensors. That's when I wired blower to turn on when the gas valve opened. Another thing I did was to use the probe as an over temp sensor and installed a timer to keep blower running for 5 minutes after gas valve shut down so heat exchanger cooled off. Well come replacement time my HVAC guy who is a friend of mine was sold on high efficiency units. I said no. All the extra work to try and get PVC piping through the basement and out the wall up in the floor joists was gonna be a real chore. And all the other things you mentioned I took into consideration weighing the energy savings over an 8O percenter. And the 8O percenter was an improvement over my old 60 percenter. And the 80 percenter is so much simpler in construction vs the high efficiency furnace. I didn't do any modifications to how the furnace operates so as not to void any warranty issues. The big thing is even with a simpler design and lower efficiency than the high efficiency furnace it has a control board with electronic components and relays for control of blower speeds in the heat and cool modes. On cool the blower motor runs at the highest speed. On heat it runs on a slower speed and on fan only setting on thermostat it runs on a different speed. And of course the flame sensing rod and flu temperature sensing so furnace warms up before blower turns on. The board also has blinking LEDs for trouble shooting problems. You can't get away from not having the board with the micro processor on any furnace. If they go junk, and they do, there's really no way to wire around it. A new board can cost upward if $200. And you as a consumer just can't go buy one at a supply house unless you are a bonified contractor. You probably can buy your own board or get the model number and shop around. They are relatively easy to change out. All the wiring plugs in except thermostat wire. There are terminal screws for that connection. But if you aren't handy and haven't a good understanding of how your furnace works, even if it is an 80 percenter, you're better off to hire a professional who will sell you a new board at considerable mark up and install it and test it and make sure it's operating correctly and is compatible with your furnace and the most important item is he has to warranty his part and installation, usually for a year.

Hello from Minnesota as well crazy we are both watching furnace videos and both from same state what a storm we just had !

@@mplscarsales6652 We didn't get nearly as much as they were predicting. Kind of a let down to be honest! 😅

When we lived in SE Wisconsin, I replaced our old furnace with a 93% efficient furnace. Totally worth it. Lower gas bill, warmer home. This was several decades ago, however, and I bought it in the middle of summer(best price then).

Trane is also a reliable brand

Wait till it's time to replace the blower motor or draft inducer any money you saved and then alot more will go out the window.

Unless you're talking about Carrier and their clogged secondaries

Bingo. That's exactly our scenario. This house was built with a coal-burning water boiler. And that got replaced by electric heaters in all rooms. And that got replaced by modern HVAC ... zero opportunity to vent exhaust from an 80% furnace.

​@@thenexthobbywhere did the coal burning rig vent to? Did they tear the chimney out when they went electric?

When the roof got replaced last time, they knocked it down from where it exited the roof so that the roof could be flat there. Up in the attic you can see what's left of the chimney. I like my 95% efficiency furnace. Hoping it's my last gas appliance soon.

@@thenexthobbyI have something similar in my house. It looks like there was two fire places, and the top is knocked off of both chimneys to probably reduce the cost of replacing the roof. I either have to go electric or high efficiency because the cost of venting would be drastically higher in an 80%. They only removed the very top of the chimney also, making it a pointless waste of space.

It is a fact high eff furnaces are more costly to repair. However do do save about 10% or more on your monthly bill. Buy a quality brand.

"The 95 to 97% gas furnaces with variable speeds and firing rates are costly and do have more issues." Agree there, the more crap "features" the more trouble, that's why so many new fridges with the ice and water in the door, digital controls, and yada yada yada are THE worst ones that almost everyone has problems with. My fridge is about 15 years old by Summit, a BASIC fridge with top freezer, never had one problem with it.

Exactly, the 95% units have damn near the same components as the 80% units. You can buy a brand new 95% unit shipped to your door for $2000.

most hvac contractors do not repair systems, they just want to sell new systems.

Would you happen to be in NJ and did your husband go with a large HVAC and plumbing outfit named with 2 initials and a 5 letter last name?

A man with integrity. I'm glad to see there are still some around.

That's the only thing to do for companies like that

32 years in the business and I agree with you a little. In my experience it wasn't "fraud". Management wanted higher $$$ at the end of our week/month. The larger the company the more we were pushed to sell service contacts, humidifiers, duct cleaning, etc. etc. I was never that guy. I got in, did the required work, got out and on to the next call. If a new unit was best, I would recommend it. I was the tech doing 10-15 calls a day compared to 6 for the "salesmen" techs. Unfortunately the large companies have to cover that BIG overhead and need to make every visit to a home count ($$$$). That "extra" stuff keeps the lights on is what they told us. I kept my $$ numbers up by quantity instead of "extra" sales. Life got easier when I went out on my own. I just had a van, tools, insurance and a bunch of knowledge and experience. No store front, secretary, HR, managers, department meetings, TV commercials, Christmas parties, etc. etc.. Most of my prices were about half of my previous employers. Same guy, did the same work, half the price. Your single man or 2 man operations are best if you get the right tech. Big companies come with BIG overhead that customers must pay for and the techs in the field must generate. So it's not "fraud" as much as it is covering overhead. I won't even get into incompetence of some techs. If they couldn't fix it, they would claim it needed to be replaced. But that's a different story.

Precisely why we had to go hi-eff, our old boiler was a carbon monoxide disaster waiting to happen as well as outright dangerous. We removed our chimney which is too old, and had to have it vent somewhere. Our basement walls are 2 feet thick and fieldstone mixed with cement, so when we replaced the boiler we also got rid of the old natgas hot water heater & tank. Now we have the single hi-eff furnace providing hot water to the rads as well as our domestic hot water. Still was less than the other options and has paid for itself in the 10 years we’ve had it. With gas prices rising it’s probably saving us even more.

This guy normally makes decent videos, but he is DEAD WRONG with this one. He thinks condensing furnaces is a luxury feature, something that comes with the Carrier Infinity line. It's why you shouldn't do DIY HVAC yourself when it comes to gas, unless you want to risk killing yourself.

​@@sprockketsIn Maryland a Gasfitters license is separate from the plumbing license and from the HVAC license. I'm sure it's for this reason

Thanks for the info.

The price difference between an 80% goodman or RunTru 95% or similar furnace is about a grand or so, which at the current gas rates here pays off pretty quickly. I do agree that the sales pitches that I've heard for a $4-$8k+ dual burner gas furnace are overkill unless you live in some kind of giant house and really want that. The PVC piping is usually cheaper to run as well, since furnaces here tend to be shoved away in a basement without easy external vent locations and that 30 year old 80% duct is probably about to crumble. Just make sure the pitch and drainage is good, lots of 20 year old 90%+ around here. If it's laying below a house with a duct just shooting off it might not be worth it if it'll just fail in 5 years from corrosion, crawlspaces are brutal if they aren't in good shape.

Yes, the majority of people on my channel aren’t going to replace their furnace. Some may and those are the ones who are going to save THOUSANDS. But majority are homeowners that just want more hvac knowledge. So when they are presented with their options from the price gouging contractor, with a 3-4K price difference, they will be informed. I appreciate the info you shared however! Cheers

Same here. I bought 95% 2-stage GOODMAN in 2006. It was about $300 maybe $400 more expensive than standard 80%. I installed it myself. My gas bill dropped by 65%. It paid for itself very first year.

If you’re on natural gas it’s doubtful you’ll ever see $1000.00 dollars back in energy saving’s before it begins to plug up and begin to produce high CO. Water and fire don’t mix. Wise up. It requires exotic materials to manufacture condensing furnaces. The cost of these materials is sure to outpace the cost of energy in spite of the government’s best efforts to make natural gas cost more.

​@@defenderoftheuniversesame with heat pumps? I've got an air conditioner from the 90's that still works lol

@@defenderoftheuniverse no, it's a cheap Kenmore window unit

The more efficient the more devices that can fail. I'll stick with as simple as possible. The same goes with hot water heaters that are supposed to be high efficient. With dampers that close and open the exhaust to hold that heat in. Just another item that can fail. Uf it does daily your hot water heater is out of service until you replace a ridiculously priced damper motor.

How old were the units in both of the homes and how long did you live in each house?

Which is why we put them in attics which have plenty of air and garages which also have plenty of combustion air.

General contractors are the shadiest of the bunch

I trust you have Carbon Monoxide detectors in your home; CO is called the silent killer for good reason, no odor and no smell..!

@@bobboscarato1313 Absolutely

Might be wise to get a replacement 80% before the laws change and have it on hand for when the time comes to replace it.

Your furnace from 1948 is probably 50% efficient if you're lucky. That means for every dollar you spend to heat your home, 50 cents is going up the chimney in the form of waste heat.

@@andrewludwig9251Rarely anything "efficient" these days is as efficient as it is claimed to be. Most of those specifications are performed in lab conditions, highly controlled environments plus, there's lots of motivation to over estimate efficiency. Any electric motor today is barely 60% to 70% efficient if that gives you any idea about electric consumption...I'd love to see an "electric torch" compete with Oxy Acetylene torch on jobs requiring "torch" or "gas welding" for those all bent about "electric".

Your condensate trap will clog before then. $22 on Amazon.

@@cudadoug It's been cleaned at each fall inspection. So far, so good, but thanks for the heads up.

Carrier is my least favorite brand to service. Trane is number two. You can wait a few says if you need a part.

@@bills6946 Furnaces must be like vehicle brands. Some repair techs swear by them while others swear at them. ;)

58MXA series? You may get another 2-4yrs out of your heat exchangers. Carrier messed up so bad they gave lifetime warranty on those exchangers but they don't cover everything needed to replace them.

High efficiency furnaces are really not that unreliable, I don’t get that much more frequent service calls for high-efficiency furnaces over standard efficiency. If they are installed properly and maintained regularly. I have installed many high efficiency furnaces and have only ever been back for routine maintenance and occasionally dirty flame sensor. Almost all furnaces have ECM motors these days as well so there’s no way to get away from those even though I rarely ever see those fail on properly designed and installed systems. Unless it’s some sort of geographical thing, and they do really well up here in the Philadelphia metro region. Most problems I have seen I’ve been systems installed by hacks /house flippers improperly pitched and designed venting trapping water. And just plain lack of maintenance.

Carrier has had problems for 15 years on the high efficiency secondary heat exchanger. They rust and plug up right at the inlet from the primary. Search on you tube and you will see. They made the tunnels too small and the coating delaminated......causing rust to plug it up. Can't be cleaned out. Just too deep.

Furnace will run with a cracked heat exchanger. Not with a bad control board.

@@Kevin-mp5of it would throw pressure switch codes, flame current not sensed code and that’s it. On the pressure switch codes everything was corrected pertaining to the codes. But it wouldn’t go into “soft lockout” mode. Of course this leads to burning out the inducer fan. Tried to erase the code. Wouldn’t take. Wouldn’t delete the code. Turned the unit off from the switch on the side of the furnace to let it reset. Still would do the same thing. So I replaced the board and it fired right up. I’m guessing there was a surge of some sort that fouled out the board. So now I’m thinking of installing a whole home surge protector in the breaker box.

@@dans_Learning_Curve yes, I’m aware. I kept monitoring the house for C02 readings. Did it for three days straight and nothing. So that contractor was only geared to sell me a new unit.

@@Kevin-mp5of I understand. The only reason why this has come up is because this is the second board replacement since 2020.

I'll never go with a high efficiency furnace again. Too much trouble, safety sensors, and shuts down every time the wind blows hard enough. My old 80% that vented out the roof never did that.

Alas, they are not allowed to be sold anymore in Canada

@@dmitripogosian5084 that's too bad, but it's happening everywhere. Anything that makes sense and works just fine, has to be replaced with some more expensive, more problematic high-efficiency appliance.

Completely agree. Saving $6/month on heating is quickly lost with the first $800 repair.

@@jamesklancke4319 exactly

I’d say probably 15-16 seer. If you need sme help with your future installation, check out our membership on Patreon.com/diyhvacguy where you’ll get one on one assistance with sizing, efficiency ratings, warranty, and of course help with the install itself. Cheers

@The DIY HVAC Guy awesome, will keep that in mind. Again great videos, and thanks for showing people how they can save and do things themselves. A great tool to have.

You don’t know what you don’t know… I’ll just leave it at that.

That's probably the same one our contractor installed in 1987, cutting every possible corner in our build. However, all the neighbors who put in the 80% furnaces that were the "latest" technology replaced theirs after 8-12 years. I just replaced mine this summer with a 95+% Bryant unit so we'll see how the gas bill goes (we live in Minnesota). I was having trouble finding hammock filters for my old unit, but 36 years isn't too bad. Everything original except a relay that was replaced after 15 years.

@@lennylipe6434didn’t think those g8’s had a relay…or a circuit board.

@@TheBoomtown4 Not sure if an actual relay, but an electrical part of some sort.

@@lennylipe6434 the g8’s were good but they could crack at the back of the heat exchanger eventually and did, by code, need to be replaced regardless of what this diyhvac fella says. Good luck with your Bryant, I haven’t had any egregious issues with em.

Hello what state are you in ?

@@josephpuchel6497 North Florida.

Awesome! Glad you could find someone good. I hope they treat you well and deliver a good product 👍🏼

@@diyhvacguy This morning, two clean cut guys in separate clean vans arrived on time. They worked hard all day long as a team and did a BEAUTIFUL job! (seriously, it is something to stare at and admire) The price was exactly as quoted with no surprises. There is absolutely nothing they could have done better.

"nd he also said there are more parts on them to fail. " I dont buy that claim, they all have air flow sensors, temperature sensors, electronic control board, intake air fan and circulation fan,exchanger, one would not have "more parts" than another- they both do the same thing- burn gas for heat. Only way one would have "more parts" to worry about is if it had dual heat exchangers or modulating burner or some other BS you don't need- like water and ice in the door of a refrigerator. My new furnace, Goodman 80k 96% Is on its 3rd winter, I installed it myself and I see how the inside looks and what is there, the intake fan is much better than the junk that all the furnaces at work had- those 1/12 hp fan motors were by some brand I forget the name of, made in Mexico, nothing but bushings for bearings and they would seize up because there was NO way to lube the bushings, the motors were basically non serviceable disposable crap and they were way expensive! The Goodman feels like it has ball bearings, and a plastic disk on the surface turns, and you can turn it with a finger and tell if it's bearings were getting tight, and either try to lube or replace those before it fails. I do plan to have a spare fan, board and sensors on hand.

Simplicity makes for longer, worry-free and happier life!

I would stay away from a variable speed fan( they tend to fail), but a modulating gas valve is worth it. correct sizing is the key to the system maintaining thermostat set point.

AMEN! When I bought my first NEW house about 25 years ago, I went for good old electro-mechanical Maytag washer and dryer. Maytag gas range that does have a simple electronic control that's required for the oven, but burners will operate without even electricity (you just need to light them manually). I will never get rid of those appliances! Same with my furnace. It's standard Carrier 80% unit. No multiple or variable speed circulation fan. Single heat exchanger. Standard metal flue going up through the roof. In 25 years, I've had to replace the inducer fan once and the quartz ignitor once. Total cost less than $300, because I did the work myself as it was very simple. Took less that have an hour total for both (of course they failed at different times, but that's about the total cumulative time. If I ever have to replace it, I want exactly the same thing! Sadly, that's probably impossible now,

Why do you think the 80% furnace is at that efficiency? Also a government mandate from the last oil shocks. I hate the idea of any combustion appliance inside the home that interacts with the household air- if something goes wrong it's a serious safety and health issue. The furnace or boiler also wastes money.

@@rsmith02 Modern furnaces have electronic ignitors, not standing pilot lights. Just like natural gas hot water heaters. Also have carbon monoxide detectors, for safety. You can smell NG. If the Gov't mandates something, you can be pretty sure they'll screw things up.

This vilification of the Federal Government is nonsense. Do they make mistakes, of course. So do you. Would you go back to those glorious days when we used leaded gas and got 13 mpg? Thanks to the Feds we got rid of leaded gas and they also mandated improved MPG. It is common for cars to get 30 mpg or more these days with better engine performance. He talks ill of the Federal Government then gives praise to carbon monoxide detectors which are mandated in houses by, you guessed it, the Federal Government. Go ahead and buy an 80% efficient furnace, I will keep our 97% efficient furnace and enjoy the better performance. Just don't complain about your high heating bills and blame the Feds. You have the fossil fuel industry to blame for those high bills.@@SW-nq1bx

Without a doubt. I know most of the leaks are coming from the uPVC windows around the sliders and I'm willing to bet the installer didn't insulate around the frames because I noted leaks around the frames of the basement windows. Same as the front entrance door. I've got a lot of work to do over summer to save costs for next winter.

@@DystrophicEvolution if you're in the DMV area (MD, VA, DC, Deleware) I can hook you up.

Thanks, I'd surely welcome that, but I'm up in Canada.

If you need further assistance check out our membership over on Patreon.com/diyhvacguy where you’ll get quick response times and one on one help with repairs/diagnosing. Cheers

Thank you, I will! Cheers

I have installed hundreds of high efficient furnaces,I stick to 95 and 96% models.I dont mark up the equipment I sell them,just the small pick up and delivery fee.I am not sure this goofball actually knows anything or he just reads books and watches youtube before making his own video! Now I see the savings especially with propane,16% better effociency is 16% less fuel up the chimney .Not to mention ,I properly size and properly i stall the equipment.Been at it for 29 years,and dont really go back and work on anything i have installed! Once in awhile you get a fan issue,or a flame sensor,bit not much more than that!

Ego much Peter? @petersmart1999 🤣 To answer the original question, yea the equipment isn’t much difference but unlike Peter here, the companies mark the equipment up like crazy and roll it in with the whole price so the customer has no idea how much a unit is, and typically doesn’t even know what to type in on Amazon to find the same furnace they are installing.

@@petersmart1999 yes brother,,this guy is young & dumb. look behind him he has a mini split on the wall talk a complicated piece of sh*t.try repairing that !

@@diyhvacguy No ego,just think you should cool your jets a bit! I understand your sick of companies ripping people off,and high efficient equipment is no good,but I have seen just as many people get jammed up on a mid eff furnace! And I understand that high efficient equipment is not for everyone,I never ever recommend tankless water heaters,Im not a fan of high eff boiler or combis unless its an entire rebuild! I think so many companies install those turds,is because they cant size a boiler! It pretty easy if you add up the fin tube or rads! That would be the max! Bit to say it has no place,or your just getting ripped off,thats not exactly right either.I have put alot of time and effort into training,research,and skill to give people a good working system that was installed and sized correctly and for a fair price,watch some of these other channels out there,I drive a 2011 pickup,Im not rich,dont care to be,I need to sleep at night!

@@stevestadterman9270 I get what he is saying,not everyone needs one! But to say ots all junk,and you are basocally being ripped off if you go high efficient,thats not 100% true! And there are still good companies out there. You are your own best advocate! And I understand and tell customers,not to expect a brinks truck to show up next month with the money they are saving,its not gonna happen.Now in combination with,insulation,windows and doors that is pretty big,I have seen savings in the 40% range!

Yep, plus all the municipal riders you have like $50 on the bill before you pay for any gas

Bingo! My gas useage in the summer is nearly zero (water heater only) and the utility almost always rounds it to 1GJ. Fine. Times $3/GJ I owe $3. What's that you say? Hookup, Prime Mininster Bl#kkface's Carbon Tax, municipal rider, etc? That's another 65 bucks. Even in the coldest month a couple of winters ago, my low-efficiency 1983 furnace burned about 30GJ (highest ever, far as I can tel). Times $6/GJ at the time. $180. Assume 50% wasted up the flue. That's 90 bucks wasted in the coldest month I caxn ever remember in six decades. Big whupdedoo. Prime Minister Castro's carbon tax grab costs me 60 some months all by itself.

The thing that annoys me is that this is like a sin tax for living in Canada, Many citizens in Canada think this tax is fixing our climate, people need to wake up! @@user-hm5zb1qn6g

You are so welcome! Thanks for the support!

I should have said I know it was a scam because I filled the exchanger with water after I replaced it - no leaks. I am also a hazardous materials tech and tested it with the good equipment the day the scam artist left.

I actually had a bad heat exchanger. They actually showed me pictures. Wasn't necessarily a cracked heat exchanger, but these circular rings popped off. And he said when the heat turns on, it allows the metal to expand and causing a carbon monoxide leak. So now it's time to get quotes. All the hvac guys wanted to replace everything, furnace and central air system yes my central is old. But still works well. We were in November, and heating season was coming. The cheapest or most affordable quote was $5500 to replace everything. But all I needed was a dam furnace at that time. So I too went online and bought a new furnace for $680 bucks I believe it was. Then got quotes for a hvac guy to install it. Cheapest quote was $800, and the installer was going to FaceTime with me. I still had to do the work. The most expensive was $2800. He said it would take him about 4 hrs. Not a math genius here, but that's $700 @ hour. I started looking online for help. Watched video like from this guy and other. And felt, since my old furnace was 80% and my new furnace was 80%. It was basically plug and play. I have now been through 2 heating seasons and all is good here. Saved myself thousands of $$$$$

@@robertvosburgh7540 you got a great price, thats what I found out also. Other than it's big, you just hook up power, thermostat wires, and fuel line.

@Nine Fingers exactly. The furnace isn't some name brand furnace. But for $680 bucks I will take my chances. 680 over 10 years is 68 bucks a year, or say it break in 5 years ok so 680 over 5 years is 136 bucks a year. Still not a bad trade off. But seeing how I'm doing the maintenance, again several videos to learn from. I'm pretty confident it will last at least 10 years.

Amazing. I always tell people that if a homeowner wants to replace their furnace, they’re going to be more cautious then some tech making 20 bucks an hr, because it’s YOUR home. Glad you were able to save a bundle. Cheers

So you have a modulating furnace? Any issues with that style?

@@GUITARTIME2024 Not the guy you are replying to, but this summer we replaced ours with the "two-stage" version and it is really nice. You don't get a strong blast of air when it is on low (which is most of the time), and the median temperature in the house is a lot more stable - the thermometer basically stays at one temperature instead of having wide swings. A lot of this depends on having a well-insulated house, obviously, but we are very happy we made the switch.

@@FlyGuy2000 cool. Could you tell me what brand and model?

That was back a while when furnace manufacturers had still built decent equipment and used reliable parts vs. today, mostly Chinese parts and sensors. Interesting how we "own our property and the structures on them yet our Government tells us what we will do with them and how much it will cost.

@@Garth2011you don’t actually own anything in Canada. “The crown” has ownership and control over everything. This is just about the only holdover from British common law which governments conveniently for them maintain. Trudeau senior’s charter of rights and freedoms basically eliminated all other British common law protections in Canada and the charter’s constitutional guarantees are useless. The general public in Canada believes that they have ownership of their belongings when that is not the case. That’s why governments can dictate those kinds of things and get away with it. Canada already is WEF and socialist paradise. Americans should be highly vigilant about this monster next door.

I was wondering when someone from Canada was going to point out that mid efficient furnaces are no longer available. I'm currently clinging on to my ancient Keeprite high efficient (Feb 21, 1988) but looking down the road I'm dreading having to buy anything new.

@@jimbarron8688Right behind you with my Amana 1991 80%. It's never needed any repairs, still has the OEM blower motor. Change filters 2 to 3 times a year MERV 5 or less.

Ditto in 1994 manufactured home with 80% furnace. Just redid all windows. Also in Vancouver (Langley). Furnace hardly ever runs.

Hey I have same model. I would go with regular efficiency heating furnace.

high efficiency furnaces normally use PVC for the exhaust and you won't be able to do that with an 80....... just that fact that you need double wall chimneys for 80's vs Plastic PVC for High Efficiency tells you that more of the heat is staying in your home vs out the chimney. But if your furnace goes out it might also be time to replace your AC and If you buy the AC with the furnace in a set its cheaper.. so you know its a bigger question but you will probably have to install a chimney and that could be difficult. .. so yeah .. you don't have to upgrade but downgrading is probably not a good idea for most people.

​@@zippythechicken I agree with all your comments except for the better price of doing both furnace and AC at the same time. A Bryant dealer told me 2 days ago their is no savings to doing both systems at the same time. Them contractors are not going to reduce their labor rate like the way they upcharge for emergency service. Possibly a very small price preak on equipment maybe $100 for doing heat and AC at same time.

Power bill doubled!? Are you sure you didnt accidentally put in an electric furnace!

Here when you “Break out” of the lower base power rate usage the penalties go up by 2/3 of the first rate of $.12 a KW/HR so it hits $.20 KW/HR. Then if you go past that second limited usage it goes to $.26 a KW/HR for the rest of the month. I am going over the limits almost every month now with the furnace coming on for 10 minutes on and 30 minutes off. Now that is bad enough but the amount of “Fees” that are charged on top of the power usage also go up the same rate. If I use $20.00 of power as an example the transfer, generation and administration fees are $45.00. It is a big scam the fees.

@@patreilly6826 That sounds like Alberta. Guess who owns electrical transmission in Alberta? Warren Buffett. Chiseler, government welfare bum, and author of Obama's energy transmission policy that blocked pipelines from here through the U.S. to the Gulf of Mexico.

15% colder when its -40 outside is 53.5F. 🥶 also dont forget where you combustion air is coming from.

That’s true. If you are spending $150/mo equal pay just for gas then it might be worth it.

I think longevity has a lot to do with run hours. A failed Hot Surface Ignitor has nothing to do with maintenance, It has to do with how many run cycles. Just like a light bulb is rated to last so many hours. You have been very lucky to have a high efficiency furnace that is still going after 22 years

@rodgraff Well, I also have a more than 30 year old dishwasher, 25 year old washer and dryer, 23 year old Range and Refrigerator, a 21 year old water heater, a water softener that’s older than I am and sold my last car with 427,000 miles on it. Sure, things need parts and maintenance, but surely that all mechanical longevity can’t be just dumb luck.

@@rodgraff1782 Most hot surface igniters cost $ 10.- at the wholesale house!

Ignitors and the like are easy to clean or replace, and inexpensive, one should have a spare on hand anyway. @@rodgraff1782

100 dollars for labor? Where do you live India?

@@eastsidepyro2685 😆Nope. In the USA. This was probably about 2016. It's still working great.

You are the minority. Good on you man 👊🏼

On horizontal gas furnaces all it took was a flash/drop light and a mirror and you could see the cracks! Premier furnaces wore notorious for failures. I remember getting a brand new furnace from Carrier//Day and night with crack along all bays

@@bobboscarato1313 ... good to know, but the point was, if it was leaking and 20+ years old, it wasn't worth further diagnosis. It was time for a new one.

@@rupe53 Definitely! Some owners are real tiewads! lol

@@bobboscarato1313those class action lawsuit carrier mid efficients used to crack at the dimple visualized when your removed the limit.

Usually in the old gas--fired furnaces you could spot them when blower came on and flame spewed out of furnace where burners were at!!!

The most efficient system I have ever seem is a gravity feed hot water system. NO pumps no fans. But it is UGLY. The radiators are UGLY. BUT the heat is constant and radiant. Yes you do have 6 inch pipes for feed and return pipes in the basement along the basement walls. They also keep the basement warm. That also keeps the floor above it warm. It also is efficient. Part of the cost electricity to move the heat from the furnace to the rooms. Gravity is free. The second floor is heated by the 1st floor. Air also rises. The grates in the 1st & 2nd floor also help with what is the rug rat up to now. Yes air does move with the difference in temperature too. OH and the house is more comfortable at lower temps than a 96% efficient system. But now I live in a slab house with a top down system. It is November and it sucks. Because the the comfort zone is 80F instead of 70F. The humidity seems to be pumped into the Utility Sink. Every time it starts up. Pretty much my 1966 Corvair was more reliable than my 2016 Trax. Corvair cost a lot less in time and money to maintain and got the same fuel mileage. Oh also more comfortable, without A/C. Because you could roll the windows down and to 60 MPH with no wind buffering. Some things do improve. A lot of things just change.

Regardless a HE furnace will definitely cost more to repair. And the parts are also very expensive.

No you need metal venting for any 80% furnace. If you already have it set up for high efficiency I’d probably stick with what you have. There are pros and cons of each I just wanted to stay my opinion on them. That being said, a lot of people on here have had their high efficiency furnace for 20 years no problem. An important factor is who is your installer. If you don’t have a good installer who didn’t set it up right from the start, you could have problems down the road.

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you know that Carrier has costly replacement parts

Yes! Had a guy come out and told me my heat exchanger bearings were bad and wanted to replace them for several hundred dollars. I don''t remember the exact price...perhaps $1200. 7 years later, my exchanger is fine. Unit is 20 years old now so we are looking to upgrade our entire system due to age and cooling is a bit underpowered on 110 degree days, so we need to upgrade. But we didn't have the money 7 years ago. Sad. Crooks!

The 0% interest is likely built into the sale price.

Agreed. The cost of offering 0% interest falls on the contractor, as the loan is usually done through a third party (bank). Companies will typically offset this by upping their bid. Another thing to consider is Trane vs Goodman equipment. Trane/American Standard has very good brand reputation which automatically comes with a higher price tag.

Yes because "big name" has a LOT more overhead than the independant contractor

@@CrystalwithaK1980 do not have a very good Brand Reputation and have very costly parts