Looking at buying a subaru forester at around 6000 miles and its all very confusing and a bit scary.. Subaru says only to inspect fluid every 6000 miles but the way the transmission is built I cant imagine it wont produce a lot of metal dust within.. I have to ask, do you have anu numbers to support your claim and wasnt the Subaru warranty ONLY for the 2014-2018 cars?

@@garremannen change oils as often as possible. For the CVT Subaru sais 8 years and 120.000km for a Forester. WTHail?! Just change it with quality oil( not what you get on tv)

My original question was: is it a CVT or an ECVT.

Not true, you are a rare case then ! Its not the fluids, its the contact surfaces! my experience it 75,000 miles or less. And excessive friction damage. Ive seen the CV drives, they are dust and toasted to nothing. EVERY single one EVER built! Its part of the design. Look at the schematics! They are super weak and friction prone. Overheat ONE time, YOU ARE BONED!

​​@frosthoe utter nonsense. I am on my 3rd forester with a cvt and all have done 200000 + km, all have been fine, It is either your driving or poor maintenance. That simple.

people who complain about CVTs dont properly maintain their vehicles.

@@Marco-qe5zw If only that were true! then we coulc point a finger. bur you are 100% wrong. Cvts use a consumable friction member (the belt). how mant Cvts have you had apart. im at 7 CVts repaired now, How bout you? 🤣

YES SIR!!! Mine shift radically while trying to hustle hardly.

You cannot change the filter in a TR580/690 without a complete disassembly of the cvt.

That’s fine if you own since new but if you’re buying used you usually don’t know how the last owner treated it.

@@jayson657 Still change the oil, do some tests- not that hard if looking for a bargain!

@@jayson657don’t ever ever ever buy used!!!

The trouble you will get there is the engine. The tiny engine is pushed to its limit with the added turbo pressures. Keep your oil checked. I have four GM vehicles with the CVT and 1.6 waiting for parts. One needs a new engine due to oil starvation.

I can absolutely back up your claim. I had a 2020 Subaru Onyx XT. I loved the performance and the towing capacity. The problems for me began around 40,000 miles. I started noticing the transmission stuttering at different speeds. Took it to the dealer not once, but twice. They could find no issue, The second time I took it in was after a recall was issued concerning programming for guess what, the transmission. Recall was sent out in January and stated that a fix wouldn't be available until April. Recall specifically stated that the transmission could completely fail. Well mine did. Right after I exited Interstate 95. Thank god it happened after I exited the Interstate. I would have been a sitting duck on 95. Anyway, Subaru replaced the transmission although the recall fix still had not been implemented. I traded it in on a 2022 Outback premium after some research that indicated that most of the problems were with the XT (turbo) models. I haven't had any issues with the 2022 which currently has 71,000 miles. I still don't have 100% confidence in Subaru transmissions now though. I'll probably go back to Honda or maybe Toyota for my next vehicle.

I totally agree. My Legacy's trasnmission failed at 160k miles. I won't be buying Subaru ever again

Subaru CVTs aren't made by JATCO 😂

As the person in the video stated, Subaru warranties its CVT for 10 years or 100,00 miles. If you service the CVT before then, that will void the remaining warranty.

I change my Nissan cvt transmission fluid every 30k u can do it every 20k if u wanna keep it for 5 years or more

as per user manual- 8 years and 120.000km. No- not doing that! 45.000km. But 99% of users have no ideea that the oil that they use is low quality. Engine oil, CVT oil, diff oil- all of them are low low quality. Thats why your engine blows, VCT goes into limp mode, etc..because you are using a low quality oil. Even if its OEM. PS- quality oil is not on TV, nor in a marketing campain. You need to find it.

So how do you know is a car is garbage when you buy it?

1998 forester 5 speed still trucking at 215,000 miles.

Had my 2012 cvt for 6 years and I love it

We had all 3 generations of Forester and never have a problem with them . Forester is still assembled in Japan (big advantage for quality)

@@cristianstriblea792 I decided I wanted the 2.4 turbo engine so I cancelled my Forester order and purchased a 2023 Outback Touring XT last week. It was $5000 more than the Forester (ouch!) but I have no regrets. I absolutely love the Outback and I can't believe how comfortable and well equipped it is, feels like a full-on luxury vehicle. It's well worth the upgrade in my opinion. I'm sure the Forester would have been fine, but I prefer to have ample power in my vehicles when I can and I plan on this being my last vehicle purchase for a long time.

I felt the same way. But I can tell you that if you service them they will last 200+thousand miles.

2020 forester premium with cvt 45 k no issues yet. I also live in a cold climate.

The Outback Wilderness is the best car I've ever driven over the 30 years I've been driving. Subaru's CVTs are made inhouse, not by JATCO which is the company that has caused Nissan so much grief. There's some 'master mechanic' talking shit about CVTs as if they are all made by JATCO. Subaru also installs a CVT cooler on new cars since heat, like with everything else, is what kills the CVT. The Subaru CVT will fail like any transmission if you launch it repeatedly, or will become less reliable if you tune it beyond 320 whp and TRQ. The only manual cars Subaru makes are WRXs and BRZ, there are so many Crosstreks and Outbacks on the road, this video would be a never ending stream of people talking about failures if they happened often enough to be a known issue. Subaru did have failures around 2015 model year which is why they took control of the issue and started doing stuff like adding coolers, better fluid, and stronger chain. Oh, all Subarus are CVT in Japan, including the 2014 STI S4 WRX which had 295/295 HP and TRQ. Once again, the Internet would be full of people bitching internationally, instead of a few folk on reddit who over tuned their cars and raced every chance they could.

I have a 2016 forester as well. The valve body went out at 98k then the entire transmission went out at 108k. The remanufactured transmission lasted all of 6k. I'm done with it.

The eCVT doesn't use belts or chains and is completely different in every way to traditional CVTs. The eCVT is nothing more that a planetary gear set, which makes it dead reliable.

JATCO hasn’t had a widespread failure since 2013 for the judder/shudder campaign. Since then, JATCO has been excellent. It’s also important to note that the whole Nissan cvt thing is one of the biggest false news stories to perpetuate since the GM diesel debacle in the 80s. Since the JATCO cvt issues in 2013, Honda had issues in 2013-2014, Subaru had issues from 2014-2017, and Toyota had issues in 2018. All cvt’s are reliable now.

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Glad Nissan sorted out the Jatco Cvt’s then.

reduced cost for the manufacturer also reduces cost for the consumer. Only a minority want the "driving experience"

Real talk. I always want the driving experience!!!

I'm personally bored of regular transmissions that have same rpm at same speed. Cvt always has different revs at different speeds and with throttle u can manipulate the rpms u want mid corner to get some grip and rpms u need

Good point on towing. Anything with a torque converter gets incredibly hot when towing. This is why trucks have an optional "towing package" to add additional cooling to the torque converter.

@@shawn576 thanks. I did not know that towing package includes cooling.

Man CVT Impreza burns a lot of gas but I only drive in automatic… you think driving in manual actual saves gas?

@@carlingtonmccormack1850 yes, this is true for mine

So does manual works best for u?

How did that happen lol

What the hell did you do to it? 😮

The fluid should have been changed every 40k miles

@@danielfair4675 They did better than that, 30,000 miles. Still had the issues listed.

That's good to know.

Ive heard quite a bit about that as well. It does seem to be with the newer ones, my 2012 has its original windshield still. Got hit with a quarter size rock at 65 mph and it bounced off. GL

They've extended it to 100,000

How many kms do you have on it? This should be covered under warranty

Old c6 corvette? What c6

@@ImaYamA Ford C6, 3 speed automatic. The C6 and the GM TH400 were used behind the Ford and GM big blocks.

the problem i had was gearbox failer on my 96 toyota. no trans shops hear would even go near a manual transmission. one guy even said manuals are not even made anymore im like wtf are you talking about and listed brand new cars with standerd shift.

The United States has its own Subaru headquarters and own sets of standards for Subaru vehicles sold here. For example, they say in North American, the Subaru Outback 2.5 can tow significantly less than the same exact specifications of Outback sold in Australia. Why? Political and legal nonsense. Japan likely has a very strong consumer advocacy stance and Subaru Japan knows that cvts require diligent maintenance for longevity. Short answer? Trust Japan on this one.

Very true, I’ve heard of a lot of people with these cars going through a clutch as quick as 60k !

My 04 Honda Accord has almost 300,000 City miles on it and I'm still on the original clutch I'm noticing the throwout bearing is starting to make some noise now so it's going to be soon. But since I'll be replacing the clutch myself it will only be a three to four hundred dollar repair

LMAO i drove like a moron burned through a clutch in 30k in several models fords, Hondas, toyotas, nissans no suburus, there is no way a clutch will make it the entire span of the cars life not if you actually drive a car with some purpose.. maybe if you just babied the car its whole life but i do my own clutches takes you about 8 hours total but i generally just enjoy the process of working on the car so spend the weekend putting in a new clutch, also oil change intervals are a joke to, i have had many vehicles make it past 300k doing sporadic maintenance every thing they mention is merely a gimmick to take your money you can go 10k miles in between oil changes easily with no issues, i had a ford ranger only changed the oil 6 times sold it still running strong at 308k miles and its a ford every one says there junk lol, all these videos are only opinions not actual facts, you want a suburu go get one they seem like any other car, what you should look at is how much do replacement parts cost for that model, ex ford alternator 80$ Mercedes $380 hmm wich car should i buy? Thats my thoughts but CVt Transmission are like any other Transmission nothing exponentially bad about them every thing wears out eventually just slap a new one in over the weekend and drive on. Super simple.

On my '14 Accord the CVT failed at 60k miles. I bought it at 32k miles, not sure if the fluid was changed at 30k or not, but I'm thinking it wasn't. Luckily it was Certified, so it was under warranty (would've been $6k!). I'm now at 127k, so 67k on the second CVT, with 2 fluid changes at the dealer (not cheap, unfortunately), and no issues. They told me at the time they replaced it that when they are regularly serviced, they don't have issues. So I'd recommend having it serviced every 30k.

I have 130k on my 14 honda accord with the cvt. Change my fluid every 40k miles. Runs me about 200$ every time but worth it.

@@thinbrickspec77 Subaru does not want you to touch the fluid, and it can and will void the warranty. We purchased a 10 Year/100K Warranty (out the door) with a $100 deductible. It was very reasonable. So I will not be concerned about the 10th year as the car will probably go. Unless Subaru starts changing its maintenance procedures. I will not touch it while still under warranty.

​​​​​​@@Calabrese1966 it won't void the warranty if done at any Subaru Dealer. Canadian sold Subaru's suggest changing it at 40k, its every 25-30k in Japan. Do you think U.S. sold Subaru vehicles have a different fluid put in them when shipped here from Japan? Lol If your dealer tells you NO if you request it be change, call SOA or go to a different dealership.

⁠@@Calabrese1966that’s extremely misguided. ONLY Subaru North America has those guidelines. Subaru, in every other worldwide location they have, recommends cvt fluid changes between 30-60k miles. As this is a critical mileage point where the fluid breaks down and begins to varnish the internal structure of the transmission and valve body. I’d strongly recommend a fluid change at 60k miles at the absolute latest.

They’ve been around for 10+ years at this point

@@KurtofTrades ok I missunderstood what you said then, cheers

Don’t believe so. They use the cvt only.

I have a Nissan with a CVT and I don't have any complaints at all. but to protect myself I did buy a Ten year/100,000 mile extended warranty

Was it fixed and is it still an issue?

Fixed now with full transmission replaced under warranty. Considering getting a manual version next by proceeding with a california lemon law case for the CVT. At 60k miles this car already has a replaced engine and transmission. @@TheDirthound

How would they know?

@@TheLostSquadron It would be clean oil and not 100k mile black.

@@majorkursk780 If you put 1000 miles (maybe less) on a flush and fill, it be black. It will have better viscosity, but they're never gonna know.

Seems like the 2017+ ones seem to be a little better, hard to tell yet though

PZEV Warranty, covers emission up to 150k miles unlimited mileage, Call subaru of America ive heard many stories of them covering the cvt under this warranty.

What does PZEV warranty have to do with the CVT. Isn’t PZEV emissions?

Probably not very good. I wouldn’t trust it with anything heavy.

I’m in northern Michigan, but I’m sure it will be fine there too

@KurtofTrades ok thanks for the input, our winter here could be cold at -30 C for quite a long time...

Depend where you go I guess and the vehicle.

Vacancies?