I think this topic also boils down to who's talking about it. If an "older" fan who didn't originally like the Elder is now raving about it than perhaps it's because they're bored with the classics, but if a "younger" fan is raving it might be because they don't have the same expectations today that a fan had when it was originally released. Some styles or genres age better. They may have been out of place upon their release but more in line with today's sensibility.

King Crimson is one of those bands you can always go back and explore more - musical integrity and willingness to constantly try new and different things helps create an interesting discography that can defy time.

This relates to what I've said for the last twenty years or so: eventually every band over twenty years old will have a documentary made about them with people talking about how influential and, at the same time, underappreciated they were at the time. And more than likely, all will feature Dave Grohl and Flea at some point

Sometimes when you got back to an album after a long time you hear it with fresh ears & as a result have a new appreciation. Your taste may evolve over time as well & that becomes a factor too

I've loved all those Purple albums Who Do We Think We Are,Stormbringer and Come Taste The Band from day 1

One thing you got to consider is that your musical taste does alter somewhat as you get older and the nostalgia helps you enjoy the lesser know albums.

Pink Floyd's Obscured By Clouds is an album I have re-discovered. Not as good as the classic Floyd albums but it's more interesting than I initially thought.

Thx guys / you both always crush it on Friday mornings here in NJ. 👍💯

PS. Glad Martin and Pete still do their show every Friday. I wish there would be more but least this was one of the shows that didn't take a hit. This and Hudson are my favs. I'm growing towards UK Connection as well. Thanks for all you do Pete.

I’ve always liked both Lizard and Islands and Steve Wilson’s remix and remaster of Lizard has made it sound even better. Islands one of my favorite albums by them.

An interesting conversation . Your comment about groups playing songs in concert from these sorts of albums was very apt . I saw King Crimson in Toronto in 2019 , and the standout song of the night , for me , was Islands . It pushed me to go back and revisit that album , which I now appreciate a lot more . As for Who Do We Think We Are , I have always liked that album a lot . Martin , image and style of music aside , Max Webster should have been bigger ! ( because I grew up watching them in clubs around Toronto , I am , of course , biased here ) . Thank you gentlemen !!

Oh I forgot you nice gentleman should do a show about artists who want to do a solo album but it becomes part of the band’s discography. Keep doing such a great job! Thanks for all the inspiration!!!

Great choices and discussion Martin and Pete!

There is a psychological aspect to this ... if there is a popular artist with multi-platinum selling records that everyone knows about, it feels special to have a lesser-known or red-headed stepchild to adore. The whole KISS - The Elder thing is exactly this ... "I don't want to be the 393,283,231st fan to have Destroyer as my favorite KISS record ... how about something different?" It's emotionally gratifying to have "your" album. I'm as guilty of this as anyone ... just not with The Elder LOL.

The two KISS books mentioned in the open are both excellent! "Odyssey" was written by Julian Gill & Tim McPhate, while "Gene, Ace, Peter & Paul" is by "solo" Julian Gill. Julian also authored "Danger Zone", which covers the Crazy Nights album. I love KISS minutiae and Julian doesn't skimp on the details!

Popoff and Pardo are at it again with how some albums seem to move up the ladder in our listening library. This was true for me even when I started collecting and getting albums so long ago. Remember giving an initial dismissal to the Stones' Let It Bleed and The Moody Blues' Question but in a year or two going back to them and they remain favorites. Seems to me it is likely that our initial listening habits were formed and those tend to be followed but as time permits - either through life or familiarity and/or boredom with other albums, that we seek something 'new' for our ears. Some of Pete's final examples - such as Captain Beyond - hit right on this point. The limited money available at the beginning meant a limit to what was bought and in continual rotation. And in the late sixties and seventies - a prime time for record buying - there was just so much coming out at the radio played such variety that there was always something new. As radio became less and less desirable listening or just too damned repetitive, then some began seeking new music. But also, the change in music formats may have had a bit to do with the delay for some of hearing music. Replacing a large vinyl collection with CDs took a good bit of time - and money - and occupied many years of music acquisitions. But looking for new music to hear is what led to finding the SoT channel. Enough rambling. Thanks for the discussion, gents. There ya go!

Wow, great topic! I’m 51 and only really started exploring lots of heavy music a few years ago. The albums that spurred this were the KC trio of Thrak, construction of light and PARTICULARLY Power to Believe. Wow! Plus I grew up with 90125, and still only like that album and Drama. Interesting to think how my age is part of this.

Totally agree on Drama...I have always loved Tempis Fugit, but recently dove deeper and love Machine Messiah and Does It Really Happen. Absolutely top notch tracks!

Mirage Fleetwood Mac. I bought this when it came out and it was just okay. Put it away for years. Dug it out a couple of years ago and realised it’s one of their best. I had totally forgotten how good Christine’s song were, to me, some of her best. Such an underrated album.

Great show as always!

This is a Fantastic topic, really enjoyed this episode

Great topic and I am always looking for that classic rock album that needs to be dusted off and given a listen, lots of great stuff out there that needs to be given a chance, excellent show gentleman !

Regarding RUSH's 1980s / keyboardy period ("Power Windows" through "Roll the Bones"), I absolutely flipped over those albums to the point where that's all that I bought from them. I got the RUSH "Chronicles" 2-CD set first in 1996 I think, and gravitated right toward "The Big Money" and "Time Stand Still". I think I liked how emotional they were and how the keyboards helped express that. So it's nice to see those albums getting a little more appreciation now.

I tend to lean toward the idea that we just never took the time to stop and smell the roses on a lot of these albums, past or present, and for whatever reasons overlooked or wrote them off unfairly to begin with. Comparison is the death of greatness sometimes...

Headless Cross was always my favourite black sabbath album. As a youngster at the time it came out I really liked that, I was getting to know all that stuff back then so it left a definitive mark. The Ozzy era seemed a bit like old people's music to me at the time. I enjoyed Iron Man, Paranoid and little else. Only later in life as I grew up I started to embrace all of their discography.

One other theory is that of “The Great Silent Majority”. If Dark Side of the Moon is my favorite Pink Floyd album, I feel no need to comment on Facebook or KZfaq about that opinion because millions of people have the same opinion. But if The Final Cut is one of my favorite Pink Floyd albums (which it is), I know that I am holding a relatively unpopular opinion, therefore I feel the need to proclaim that opinion loudly every chance I get.

The one that comes to mind is Flick of the switch. It.s become more of a great album then when i was younger. Great!

Fascinating installment. I definitely think it's younger people driving a lot of the re-evaluations...partly because they can be exposed to all albums of a catalog at the same time which really levels the playing field and also with the internet giving everyone a platform to share opinions...what better opinion to have than one that runs counter to the general consensus.

I feel that way about Iron Maiden's Fear of the Dark and No Prayer for the Dying, plus I like them more than the last 2 new Iron Maiden albums.

I just ordered Essential albums by Welsh band Man…always new music to discover when you might tire of the classics you listened to so many times…..great conversation lads…well done and thanks!

Glad to see UK. My brother and I saw the video for "Nothing To Lose" when "Danger Money" came out, so I've been a fan of this album for a long time. One of my favorite radio programs as a kid was Stone Trek (a variety of progressive rock and jazz/fusion) with Greg Stone on KOME (98.5, San Jose, CA). He was a champion of Eddie Jobson and John Wetton, so that's how I heard the first UK album. Both albums are brilliant in their own right.

The best music duo on KZfaq /internet. Period. Thanks always!

Three of the records you mentioned I have loved since I first heard them. KISS Elder I got when it came out and I have always loved that record, I don't think its their best but one of my favorites. Rush Caress of Steel... the first 5 Rush albums were played constantly by my older cousin (who is a huge Rush fan) when I was young and I took a shine to Caress and it has been my favorite since. Lizard was my second King Crimson purchase and first on CD. I have had a soft spot for that one too. I agree with your topic here with Deep Purple and Sabbath with Come Taste and WDWTWA and Technical and NSD getting more listens because of the other albums being overplayed. Great show Guys!

There are certain albums, by certain bands, that I just didn't "get," and really appreciate, as a young man, but over time, they "clicked" with me, and now, I truly love them. "In Through the Out Door" is a top example. That album *seriously* disappointed my teenage self, who mostly wanted to hear the hard rocking side of Zep. Over the last two decades, I've come to love it, and it's genuinely a Zep favorite for me!

Love your shows. I honestly believe its exactly what was mentioned about listening to your favorite albums and ignoring the technical ecstasy and never say die. This happened to me as a kid, I remember listening to zeppelin 4 for years and never turning the album over and listening to side two.

Led Zep is a very good example: I'm sick and tired of I -> IV, and I think the later part of their catalogue is now my fav. Cheers.

Great topic and discussion, gentlemen. I've been thinking about this idea a lot lately. Martin, we did do a recent Caress of Steel episode of The Contrarians. I gave it high praise. During and after, I wondered how much of my appreciation for Caress was because of it's own merits and how much was because I have heard others so much more. The whole debate was confounded by the fact that I have heard A Farewell to Kings more than any Rush album, but it is still my favorite from the 70s. I loved Eternal Idol and Turbo when they were new, so no revisionist opinions there. I still love them, even if they are not my favorites by Sabbath and Priest. Surprised that Imaginos was not mentioned, or Seventh Star. Tons to pick from, though. This topic might be good for a sequel.

Nailed the commentary on Rush. As a Rush fan who recently turned the big 6-0, I bought Caress Of Steel when it came out, and actually still rank it as one of my favorites. The Necromancer and Fountain Of Lamneth I don't ever get tired of to this day. And I remember being at my brother's (also big Rush fan) hearing Counterparts for the first time. "Wow the guitars are back in the forefront! Animate is over 6 minutes! Excellent!" were the comments we made upon first listen.

Here's one. When it comes to Dream Theater, nearly EVERY fan praises Metrópolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory. However IMO one one of their absolute masterpieces that doesn't get enough love is the follow up to that album, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence! I absolutely adore that album!

Great topic and conversation. A band I love that never gets mentioned is Tony Carey and Planet P Project, especially Pink World. They had very moderate success but had some classic tunes and Tony's solo stuff was great too. You would think coming out of Rainbow, more people would have given it a chance.

Another great show,guys👍🤘My fridays arent complete,til I see the funhouse.🙂

Good morning guys great show as always.

I think sometimes it's what you hear first, and sometimes it's not. I started with Priest on Point of Entry and had no idea it was supposed to be bad. Never stopped liking it. Turbo, I did think was pretty bad at the time, but I do like the sound of it, and "Turbo Lover" is a pretty artfully arranged and produced song, I think. It's not my favorite Priest, but I like it. I always loved the Tony Martin era of Sabbath, and have a Laney GH50L that I love because it gets that tone pretty well. Still think the last two 70s Ozzy albums weren't that great compared to the previous, but there is still listenable stuff on there. When I was getting into Deep Purple, I didn't think much of Come Taste The Band: title, cover, and sound all didn't do much for me. Now I really like it. It's just different. Took me a while to appreciate that, and get past expectations. Classic period Yes is great, but I have always really liked Drama and the first two, which nobody talks about. I think of them as similar to Mk I Purple and the first Camel and Dust albums. BOC didn't get mentioned (part two?), would be interesting to hear if anyone's favorite is Spectres or Club Ninja, etc. In the end, I think a lot of it comes from love of the classic material of these bands, and re-evaluating the less popular albums to discover a lot of effort and talent went into them. Sometimes it takes a while to really appreciate a change in direction. But if there really are people saying Never Say Die is the best Sabbath album, well, that's an interesting choice. Definitely adventurous, and poppier than they'd ever been, and I could see someone finding that endearing.

Great episode. Yes - "Drama" and Judas Priest - "Point Of Entry" are both great examples of this.

Great show. History is full of examples of artists and works highly popular and respected now who were not so much in their day - only selling a handful of paintings, books that didnt sell well and went out of print, etc only to be re-discovered later by a new generation and venerated.

I'm surprised that "Another Perfect Day" was not mentioned. It was not accepted but I see a lot more appreciation in the last few years, (I've always loved it).

I've always liked Turbo, it is one of a kind album. Point of Entry was a grower, it has more varied timbre, texture and tone than any other Priest LP. I actually really liked Nostradamus on day one and bought the CD but I haven't listened to it for years. Painkiller is the last great album they made but it is really really great

For some reason, with Dio classics, I tend to prefer the follow-up to the classic everyone gushes over. Yes. I prefer Long Live to Rising. I prefer Mob to Heaven. And, I prefer Last in Line to Holy Diver. Pretty even though - all six albums are great, but I feel all these three ”follow-ups” were able to improve from the first one and were just a tad heavier, a bit more concise and tasty than their predecessors. But all six albums are absolutely brilliant, so it is not a huge change either way😎👍🏻

Gentlemen, as always a great show! So many obscure or overlooked albums that grow in appreciation for sure. And also true, there is often a lot of crap that gets reassessed over time, but is still crap! Perhaps it’s because, as compared to music today, we are desperate to hold onto anything that represents great music that we are willing to expand that definition to include the entire catalogue of a fav band because there is nothing better that has come along and we cling to those great bands we grew up with. Who knows? Let’s just say PF’s Atom Heart Mother and Obscured by Clouds both get A’s from me. Maybe didn’t 20-30 years ago, but they def do now! Martin, I’m really enjoying your PF book so thanks again very much!!

I didn't have much money till I was old enough to work, so many of the first albums I bought (often after getting the hits packages) were these albums. They were cheaper for a reason. Technical Ecstasy and Who Do We Think We Are are both examples of that. I love Technical Ecstasy. I place it above a couple of the first six. Why? Nostalgia and boredom. I don't do the same with the Deep Purple record, but I still love Mary Long and Super Trooper. I have always loved Mob Rules more than Heaven and Hell... it is the deep tracks there that I think make it better. Country Girl, Voodoo and Mob Rules are my favorite Dio era songs. I discovered a few of the albums you mentioned late... Unmasked, Come Taste The Band and the Tony Martin era Sabbath records. I dig half of Unmasked. I do listen to a few of those songs more than the classic Kiss songs. I really dig Come Taste The Band. I listen to that and the newer Purple more, because they haven't been oversaturated. I was surprised by the quality of the Tony Martin albums, but don't think they hold a candle to anything the band did before that era. I made a mix of favorites from that era and that satisfies me. I find myself listening to Technical Ecstasy, Sabotage, Born Again and Mob Rules the most. For Kiss... I stop at Lick It Up. But I do not really love any album after the first six. For Priest, I still think the popular albums are their best. I don't mind Point of Entry, but Nostradamus and Ram It Down suck. Turbo is ok. Maiden was not mentioned and I do have to say that I listen to No Prayer quite a bit. Do I think it is as good as the classic days? No. But it isn't as worn out. I also listen to mostly new Maiden. I do think some of those records come close, but still not as good. Though I favor listening to them now.

I was born in 77 so Turbo was the first Priest album I bought with my paper route money in the 80’s because that’s what was out at the time. Not my favourite anymore as I got older & explored the back catalogue. But I can see why it would appeal more to my age group than people who were kids/teenagers when Stained Class or British Steel came out :-)

I had a similar discussion recently, about Iron Maiden. I meet more and more people who nowadays actually like the Blaze Bayley stuff. So i asked one of my friends, who i know hated the two Bayley albums back in the day, why he now thinks those are really good records. He answered exactly what you wrote in the title, he said he got bored with the classic albums and tried to listen to X Factor and Virtual XI and found them refreshingly different. I thought about that remark a bit and found that i also have albums now that i really like after not listening to them for decades. About two years ago i put on Turbo from Priest on accident. I really wanted to listen to Defenders, but then Turbo Lover started and i hesitated to skip the album and actually listened to it in it's entirety and found it to be really good. Back in '86 i hated that Synth sound and couldn't stand listening to it. Now it's one of my go to Priest albums. And when you think about it, most long running bands had stinkers in their catalog at some point, but people change over time and so does their taste in music. What sounded really bad 30 or 40 years ago, might now just be the stuff of your dreams.

I'll give "The Elder" (it was out of print when I was a kid) some props for "World Without Heroes" (Pay me Gene). I am of that age that got into Rush in the late 80's. I was the video for "Show Don't Tell"on MTV, at my grandma's house. Geddy's bass solo floored me. I went out and bought "Pretso" the next day. I saw King Crimson twice on the "Thrak" tour. Both times, absolutely brilliant.

Great show! SO many reasons for this phenomenon. Yes, sometimes we are tired of listening to the usual suspects-type albums, and naturally start gravitating towards the less-well-known ones that we didn't really listened to that much back in the day, and develop a genuine appreciation for them as we study them more closely. But sometimes our tastes also change and develop as times goes by, so that one album that disappointed us back in 1984, is sounding more interesting today. Also, sometimes people are reflexively contrarian, and go for the one album that no one likes, just to be cool or annoying. And sometimes, an album comes out and is completely panned or ignored by both critics and fans alike, and it turns out 50+ years later that the band was arguably ahead of its time, and in retrospect, that album was actually brilliant (the early Velvet Underground discography comes to mind as a perfect example). And sometimes, a shitty album just stays a shitty album.

As far as Rush goes, I never get bored with their discography. Pretty much covers all my 19 moods. I think the reason one bypasses an album in a catalogue of a beloved band, is that they are unable to "go with the flow" at that particular time, and you either want to go in their direction or not.

Flick Of The Switch and to some extend Fly On The Wall. For the most part ignored for many years but in last 10 years have consistently listened to FOTS & FOTW along with Powerage. Good albums that had songs that weren't satuated by Classic Rock stations.

Martin hit the nail on the head with the “baby boom blip”. I was 13 years old when Judas Priest's Turbo was released. I loved it as a 13 year old and I have continued to love it throughout the subsequent years. When I was 13 years old, I was not a part of the cognoscenti who determined the critical consensus that was passing judgement on the facts that Priest softened their sound in order to appeal to a more commercial audience. But as an adult, I leant my voice to that consensus to contribute to the turnaround in the opinion about that album.

waitwaitwait, I was the only one in my town who defended "Nostradamus" when it came out and I stand to my opinion to this day, it's full of great songs! and Airey's keyboards! it's epic, man; the problem is too many slow songs and way too many interludes, make it a single disc album and it's a classic 🍺🤘 Thanks for another great show!

I've been a fan of Aerosmith's "Done With Mirrors" since it came out. It was super aggressive and the first side fires off 4 salvos that just about overwhelm you like a freight train barreling past you. The second side is less so, but there are still fines songs as well. No "radio hits" like those on "Permanent Vacation", but just a rocker of an album.

I loved Yes Drama at the time but thats when I first got into Yes . Still in my top 3 favorite Yes albums .

Great discussion Martin and Pete. Alot one could be said of Aerosmith albums and finding classics that you thought weren't but in time you appear to think so today. Now when they throw in reach album like Just Push Play what is that but trash. Unless we get looking for something new and ask what the thing was they trying to do and can you have really fresh ears on a really bad album. Not sure I got there yet with the album and many may never will. TC and a great day. Happy St Patrick's folks.🍀

That's a thought that first came to me in the early 2000s when I became aware of Uncut e Mojo. I mean, an special issue about Neil Young's Time Fades Away? Well, that's what happens when you decide to put together a magazine about 60's and 70s rock (for the most part). It becomes hard to talk about the same guy for the zillionth time. So you gotta bring something new to the table. "Everybody knows everything about Harvest, so lets talk about Time Fades Away".

One of the best shows you guys ever did.

Two points you didn’t touch upon; 1. An album can grow over time. Back in the ‘80s I was into heavy stuff - thrash etc, and I thought "Power Windows" and "Hold Your Fire" were soft pop albums. But man, those have grown on me through the years, and I love them now. 2. If critics decide an album is crap, you often think of it with that mindset. "Music from the Elder" is a good example - back in the ‘80s I couldn’t afford to buy everything I wanted, and "…the Elder" was considered crap, so I never bought it. But when I bought the CD in the late ‘90s, I really loved it, and I still do. Back in the day I just bought into the critics and condemned it without really give it a chance.

A similar discussion are “let down” albums that didn’t live up to the predecessor at the time…that the bands basically disowned them…but 5-7 years later because of the fans love them so much the band reassesses them. Weezer -Pinkerton and Therapy? Infernal Love. In both cases they were a departure from the predecessor, that the public/record companies couldn’t deal with at the time, but later people realize how strong they are, and are now “classics” for the band

One of the reasons that we're "rediscovering" great, lesser known albums could be because of channels like SoT and Contrarians. You are shedding light on albums that deserved more attention.

I know a bunch of people who loved the Tony Martin era albums even in the 90s/early 2000s! Eternal Idol has been my favorite alongside the first six Ozzy albums and the Dio ones at least a decade now. So, no, not everyone dismissed those albums (even if a lot of people did). Sabbath, Priest and Maiden have always been appreciated and revered even by the younger generation of metalheads😎

Very cool show as always. My comments are: 1. Each of the albums "rising" in popularity has to be looked on an individual basis. Don't think the older generations being bored with the classics explains every case. 2. Have to be careful in determining which are true cases of albums rising up. 3. We are now in the era where most of the old albums are now accessible to everyone and can be listened to fairer light. The album that I could speak on was Who Do We Think We Are by Deep Purple. That album to me rocks. I like it better than Fireball. Jon Lord's performance as always is stellar. The critics at the time said at the time that the band mailed it in, which sounds furthest from the truth. Sometimes people do their best work under duress. Anyway, being able to listen to it objectively under a different context is the point.

My favorite show of the week as always. You guys are the best

I feel this way about Zep- In through the Outdoor and Coda and Stones- Emotional Rescue and Tattoo You ..

Part of this discussion needs to be more about the upsurge in more opinions being heard in the internet era. Some of these albums were trashed early in print reviews, and that was the only opinions you heard pre-internet. Now that everyone has the ability to voice personal opinions, albums that were trashed by the critics, are now defended by those fans that have loved these albums from the beginning. Another point worth mentioning is how personal taste evolves as we get older, and things we used to hate become more tolerable as time passes.

In my opinion, there are two kinds of listeners. The old listeners that have been with bands since its inception or around that time and new listeners that were born in 21st century, they look at the whole discography retrospectivly when it all has already been released. I'm the one of the second listeners and I can say that I love Van Halen III, The Elder and etc. New listeners love more albums, but old listeners love classics more.

One big one for me is “Pretzel Logic” by Steely Dan. I am very attached to like “Aja” or the first album, but since it came out the year I was born and my parents loved it, I re-listened to “Pretzel Logic”. It’s now maybe my second favorite in the catalog after Aja! Songs like “Any Major Dude Will Tell You”, “With a Gun”, and the title track are amazing! It isn’t just “Rikki Don’t Lose That Number” anymore! 😎

Who Do We Think We Are was my first Deep Purple album (friend's older brother gave it to me) and probably my favorite and Mary Long is one of my favorite, if not favorite, DP song.

2 examples you brought up…I always liked Drama from the start. I missed Jon Anderson but the music was so powerful that it won me over and is still high on my Yes list. I always liked Thrak as well….still think that is a strong KC record. The great example was Aerosmith…never heard anyone say they liked Night in the Ruts until recent years, but it is very good!

Drama was my first yes album and I still love its heaviness

Paul Stanley's solo album is power pop heaven!! 🎉Very fun and enjoyable!!🤩

I'm 54 to give a little context. I tend not to over-listen to stuff, so I don't think that I'm sick of any albums, really. There are songs that I'm tired of because I grew up with the radio. My theory is that a big part of it is that people like to be different. It's now cool to be different. In the 70's and 80's, it wasn't as cool to be different. Also some people like to be contrarian - Martin's even got a show called that. Some people like to troll other people in the comments to get a reaction. I don't understand that way of thinking, but some people get off on it. I tend to be influenced by what I hear first from a group - definitely not all the time, but many times. There also seems to be a sweet spot where I like a lot of music. And that seems to be the years of 1978-1982. Many albums that I love fall into those years from what I can tell. I've never really taken inventory of this. Very interesting topic and show.

I still remember being the only kid in middle school who liked Born Again. Speaking of that album, I read that they found the master tapes. We need a 40th anniversary remix release that includes the Worcester MA show, (coulda gone to that one dammit).

Interesting discussion....I think another factor is that the record buying public's tastes were definitely shaped by influential music journalists and reviewers back in the day. A clutch of stinker reviews could bias some listeners, then over time the 'bad' reputation of a particular album could become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Nowadays though, a lot of younger listeners come to these records without the baggage of the accepted critical consesus.

Nice proto-metal summary Pete! Certainly after a point when Black Sabbath no longer sounded like the original Black Sabbath, a lot of people were asking, who else sounds like 'em? Fair play! Buffalo, Bang, Sir Lord Baltimore, Leafhound, Captain Beyond, Bloodrock and Dust all gave that jolt of thrill of discovery when I first heard them through the 90s and 00s. Some hold up better than ever, though not a single one can really stand up next to the first six Sabbath albums. Thing is, I'm NOT bored with Sabbath because I still listen to them. But more is always welcome as long as it doesn't suck. I don't care about appearing cool or smart to others, I never get out much anymore. I just like discovering music. These bands also don't suck: Flower Travelin' Band, Stray, Night Sun, Lucifer's Friend, November, Groundhogs, High Tide, Blues Creation, Josefus, Hard Stuff, Jericho, Birth Control, Fuzzy Duck, Truth And Janey, Jerusalem, Message, Necromandus, May Blitz, Highway Robbery, Steel Mill, Toad, Primevil, Warpig, Cactus, Speed, Glue & Shinki, Bloodrock, Pussy, Elf, Ice, The Third Power, Bulbous Creation, Power of Zeus, Bullet, Warhorse, Damnation, J.D. Blackfoot, Orang-u-tan, Negative Space, Velvet Turner Group, Edgar Broughton Band. @Martin, don't you think Uriah Heep shouldn't have been bigger? Atomic Rooster?

I have this thing where I get very mathematical about how I rate some albums and sometimes I'll notice that certain classics have less good songs in general, even if I agree on the hits being that good. Those 1-4 lesser known songs can make an album be a #1 or slide it down to #6 if the band in question has generally consistent output. This makes for some weird tier lists- like how I'm more into Animal Magnetism and Savage Amusement by Scorpions than Love at First Sting (the breakthrough album). Similarly to Fighting, Black Rose or Bad Reputation by Thin Lizzy- all of which I prefer over Jailbreak- or several Motorhead albums which I prefer over Ace of Spades and Iron Fist. I picked these as examples because in general I like the hits on the album but not so much the filler, so I can't really blame it on the fact that some songs are overplayed at all- there's a genuine gap in quality that's making me prefer a less obvious choice...

EDIT: I got to the part of the video where they are talking about Rush and they make the exact point I am making below. I'll leave what I wrote here because it is how I feel about this topic in general. I don't think that boredom has as much to do with it as when you were introduced to the catalog (at least in my case). I became a Rush fan when Chronicles came out so all of their albums up through Presto already existed. I had no idea that longtime fans didn't like those 80's albums. To me, they were all just 1 part of the same catalog and I loved it all. So it's strange to me when fans who had been around since the earlier days crap on an album like Grace Under Pressure or Power Windows, especially considering how many "Rush" moments are on those albums. The complexity is there. Geddy's great bass playing is there. Neil's great drumming and lyrics are all there. And I think some of Alex's most creative guitar playing is there. Kid Gloves for me is an example of a stone cold Rush classic with some absolutely inspiring Alex Lifeson guitar work, but is not recognized as such by a lot of the earlier fans. Long story short, I think perspective has more to do with it than boredom with the "classics"

Drama is the perfect case for me. Until a few years ago I never even listened to it, because an album with the two Buggles replacing Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman didn't make sense to me. It is now one of the records I play most often by Yes, more than Fragile and Close to the Edge (which I know by heart)

Yes lost me a Topographic Ocean.... As for obscure bands one might want to look for Fuse (pre- Cheap Trick) , The Boyzz, Starcastle, The Flock (with Jerry Goodman)

The ones i totally agreed with was Rush Caress of steel. I really like it, but im also not sick of it , like some of their other stuff. Like moving pictures. One of mine is Black and blue by rolling stones. I love it and put it in their top 4 albums But is that due to the fact im not bored with it , like i am with some girls ? Not sure

For me; Aerosmith's Night In The Ruts.... falls perfectly into this subject. Wasn't "into" it, back in the day, but a great album!!! Despite the band coming apart at the seams with tension and heavy, drug use 🖤 it! + I personally;always enjoyed Priest's Point of Entry & The Elder - just aren't one of the first albums I reach for when I want to vibe on a particular artist. REALLY GOOD subject Martin & Pete👍. Time changes all!!!

Rush's post-Moving Pictures trio of albums have risen in my estimation. My uber-familiarity with the classics may have something to do with it, especially in the fact that I listen to them more now than the classics. But the reason I love them now is because they're super albums that I wasn't ready for at the time.

The first (4) King Crimson albums [Court, Poseidon, Cirkus, Islands]... even with all of the lineup changes I have always seen as a single continuum... Fripp was the single unifying thread, but people seem to overlook the contributions of pianist Keith Tippett who I absolutely love. I purchased all of these albums, plus the Bruford, Welton, Cross, Muir albums during my formative high school years. I sat in my room and played them endlessly, digesting the music as it became through time this special musical soundtrack of those years... For me, I can listen to the song "Cirkus" forever! It is so over the top, surreal, even demented. Fripp combines this manic acoustic guitar virtuosity with the introduction of his sustained guitar backgrounds... "Cirkus" even by itself is worth the price of admission. The album remains underrated but to me it was this fresh departure covering a new music terrain into Jazz. Fripp's guitar solo on "Sailors Tale" continues to make the hair on my head 'stand on end'! It is dark, brooding, even angry and 'letting off steam' - brilliant work - in contrast to the tranquil salt air, oceanic Pastoral qualities found throughout the rest of the album. It is the KC uiet departures classical orchestral album.

I'm in agreement with Eric here, as Motorhead's Another Perfect Day would seem to be a great example of an album that is in great need of re -evaluation. I've always liked it and thought it much better than the reception it received 40 years ago. Great tunes, vocals and a powerhouse performance from the band. Brian Robertson never sounded so good! Some of those tracks almost swing...jazzy rhythms and all. Love it to bits.

I love Drama by Yes. top 5 for sure in their catalogue

I've loved Unmasked and The Elder since they came out. My friends into Kiss at the time felt the same way. No accounting for taste I guess. I've never been on about how complicated an album is , just whether I like the songs. Same for Paul Stanley's solo album and for me , it's because I've always seen it as the most Kiss like.

As a long time Accept fan, I thought Balls to the wall, was a huge let down after Breaker & the great Restless & Wild album, I mean, after songs like Fast As a Shark, Restless and Wild, etc the next album would be heavy as f*ck, but I learned to love it over time.

Hello from Brazil. Well I just love Point of Entry and Turbo, maybe because I get into that Priest waggon pretty late, in 1991, actually. By the way Music From The Elder from KISS, is just amazing. I´m just into Under The Rose. What a epci track. beautyful song. Hey your channel is so fantastic. Cheers.

The Band’s “Cahoots” album is a great example. When it came out, it was seem as a drastic step down from their previous 3 classics. Now, with the help of a great remix by Bob Clearmountain and a change in the sequencing, it is a genuine great album that stands up to their best work. Granted, that is an album that got a remix/new treatment and that brought out its greatness. I think when it comes to bands that haven’t remixed/reissued…The Who’s “Face Dances” comes to mind. It is chock full of great tunes. I’d love to to see it remixed/reissued.

When we get into BLACK SABBATH, 1) I completely flipped out over "Cross Purposes" (1994) and have the Japanese mini-LP CD with the extra track "What's the Use?" (which I think is the best song on the album). With the original Japanese mini-LP CD packaging being as deluxe and sprawling as it is, who needs a deluxe reissue? 2) I'm ape crazy over the rough mix version of "Born Again" (1983) with "The Fallen" and the extended versions of "Zero the Hero" and "Stonehenge." I also like that some of the vocals are incomplete so you have these longer instrumental sections, not to mention that the rough mix version isn't trying so hard to be sinister/evil and is just being "Black Purple" a little more naturally. 3) Re-listening to "Never Say Die" (1978) I think if you can listen to it like you would an early FLEETWOOD MAC album and put "Lords of Gloom and Doom and All Things Heavy" aside, it's a really great record. So change your contextual approach like Pete mentioned with Purple's "Come Taste the Band."

While there are certain songs and albums that I've gotten tired of (due to oversaturation), I don't necessarily agree with the notion that middle or lower tier albums (consensus-wise) are loved simply because listeners got bored with the classics; could be part of it (for some), but there are a multitude of possible factors that play into this: timing, point of entry, personal taste, etc. Speaking of taste, you can almost apply an analogy with the utmost literal sense of the term; there are foods you enjoyed at earlier points in time, but later on, you find those foods just don't hit the spot quite like they used to. The reverse is also true. Why? Tastes changed. This happens, too. Doesn't exactly mean the music/artist/food is inherently 'good' or 'bad'...just one's personal response to it. I'm a fan of nearly every band that was covered in this episode, but I didn't experience many of the album releases in real time - I discovered them all in the '90s and '00s. With this said, I'm someone who tunes out a lot of the 'noise' - in other words, I don't pay much attention to comments/opinions from critics, or even other fans when approaching music; my relationship with a song, album, even an artist, in general, is very intimate and personal - it's just me and the song. Me and the album. Me and the music. My reaction - whether it coincides with popular sentiment or not - is my reaction. I like it, or I don't. If what's being implied is actually happening, I don't care nearly enough to join in on that game, i.e. the conscious attempt to elevate critically-panned albums to classic status. I listen to music for myself. Few comments on the artists mentioned: Yes - Love Drama, and loved it the first time I heard it. Above albums like Close to the Edge, Relayer, Fragile, and Going for the One? Nope. Top 10, though. Tales from Topographic Oceans? Love it. Not my fav, but it's top 5. KISS - Perfect example of the 'personal relationship' thing mentioned above. Hotter than Hell and the s/t debut are my top 2. Loved Unmasked the first time I heard it; my third favorite. I love Destroyer. It's my fourth fav. Three 'classics', one 'stinker'. I love The Elder - cracks my top 10. Ok, make that two 'stinkers'. Love Gun is an album that just about every KISS fan seems to hold in high regard; It has mostly left me cold ever since the day I first heard it. Bored of it? Tired of talking about it? No. Most of the songs on there just sound half-baked, and have never done much for me. Simple. Judas Priest - Defenders of the Faith is my fav. Sin After Sin is second. Turbo? Yep, I've always dug it. Still do. Point of Entry? Same. I haven't listened to Nostradamus as of yet, and the same goes for everything else after Painkiller (I know, I know...) King Crimson - Lizard I liked upon first listen. After a few listens, I loved it; my third favorite after Larks' Tongues in Aspic and Red. However, Islands has slipped down the rungs over time for me, personally. I love the album, but go for a bunch of others even more. Rush - Loved Caress of Steel right from the start. Nothing to do with any outside stuff whatsoever. Cracks my top 5. Hold Your Fire was the second album I ever heard from the band, and loved it right away; the songs, the melodies, the writing, the ambiance. Special mention must be given to the lyrics; they really connected as I was in a particularly dark place in my life at the time. Top 10 album. And it must be said, I was oblivious to the fact that it was loathed by many Rush fans when I bought it. Deep Purple - Going through a 'reassessment' period regarding this band's catalogue at the moment, so I won't say much here. I'm still not quite on board with Who Do We Think We Are, though; Didn't like it much when I first heard it, and even now, I find it patchy, some great songs notwithstanding. Aerosmith - Off and on with this band. Don't have any of the three albums Martin held up; only the first four, and the 'comeback' albums from Permanent Vacation to Get a Grip. Fav is Toys in the Attic. Black Sabbath - There are some gaps here, but I will say straight-up that Paranoid was never one of my top faves from Sabbath, and this was the first album I bought from their catalogue. Didn't listen to it a ton back then, and still don't at present. Would I go so far as to put it below Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die!? No. Long post. Interesting topic.

Loved the Elder grom day one. Still the Kiss album i go for most. Rush- test for echo fav, big generator love love

I was also a very young Sabbath fan going back further in the 70’s mostly due to older siblings. I’m old enough to remember Ozzy in Sabbath in the 70’s but also old enough to remember Dio & Gillian. In fact, my Christmas present from my parents in 1983 was Born Again. I loved it! I thought it was dark and heavy with Ian screaming his nuts off

Tales from Topographic Oceans blew my mind when I first heard it. I was expecting a boat of shit after when you guys (and others) have dragged it through! I was born in '91, so I didn't catch it when it first came out, but I thoroughly enjoyed it - yes, I was stoned.