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The moment I gave up on trophies altogether was when they started to include multiplayer ones

They've been doing that for years. Complete a million mind-numbing, difficult, pointless tasks that don't gel with normal gameplay and would be impossible without a guide...or be haunted by the lack of completion.

I play through a game, then look at achievements that I still haven’t gotten. If they don’t take forever and a day, I’ll go for them

Stupid thing is, Microsoft invented achievements, so you could trade in the points for free xbox live arcade games, then pulled back at the final moment.

I had this achievement-hunting addiction last year and I can say it's exactly that - an addiction which can ruin the enjoyment of playing games or simply experimenting with different and new genres. It got to the point where I would refuse to play good games just because they are hard to 100%. I'm currently "recovering" (lol) from it and I started not caring. They should be either completely reworked or made very easy as a way to track your progress, motivate the player to try something new in a game they enjoy, find some secret/easter egg, etc.

Totally forgot about the million bolts achievement in the first R&C when i played it a few years ago. Was the only trophy i needed to get Platinum.

Achievements locked behind DLC is sooo annoying!

Trophies are cool and all but so many games require WAY TO MUCH time to complete. As soon as i roll credits and see all i want im on to next game. It would be agonizing trying to complete many games. I actually like to have FUN when gaming!

As a Platinum Trophy Hunter that's Platinum'd almost all of the Ratchet & Clank games, there are certain games that I've decided I want to complete solely because I love the game / series that much, and there are other games that I've decided I just want to play for fun. It's awesome seeing trophy hunting gain traction on KZfaq and other platforms, but letting digital collectibles determine whether or not you play a game you actually want to play is absurd to me. Great video, definitely subscribing!

The hell rush trophies ruined Neon White for me. The game is about bitesize 30 second level speedruns, that’s the main challenge and that’s what makes it fun. White’s hell rush is a run of the full game with one life, where some of the hazards can instakill you, which goes against the entire gameplay loop. I criticised this on the Discord, and they said “it’s meant to be hard”. I mentioned that it would make more sense for the platinum to require dev times instead, as it’s a more challenging yet less frustrating objective, with less time lost to failure, they said “that’s too hard, so it should be optional”. Weird people.

Banger video homie, hit the nail on the head a lot here. Pretty much agreed with all of your points!

Glitched Trophies/ achievements are the worst feeling

the backlog ad at the end was the best ad ive ever seen

I never thought about treating achievements like challenge runs. Will consider in my design work in the future.

Depends on the developers and the person. Achievements are a wonderful thing that, like you said, can have you expand your playstyle while also having you find things you usually wouldn't because without any clues to do so would have you stick to how you usually would play or go through a game. So I think they are awesome in that aspect, but then you get terrible ones that are unbearable(bolt achievement) or are very difficult so they drive you insane because you want to fully complete a game you love but it tortures you lol(hardcore ironman type achievements). So long as developers input the correct achievements then I think they should keep it going, hell, start putting even more random ones too cuz they can be funny as well. I only chase full completion on games I love very much or do personal completions like doing most but ignoring multiplayer/super hardcore difficulty ones.

I see achievements as convenient side quests

I’m completionist and I have a very big problem with achievement system. Most of the trophies are either no challenge or grind. Games with well designed achievement system are very rare. I was thinking about turning off trophy notifications and don’t give a shit about collecting the trophies but it’s very hard, something is very addicting about it

I don't play games to be presented with chores. There's a huge difference between setting your own challenges in games and following a checklist like a braindead zombie. It's crazy to me that people engage with this type of stuff, but for those of us with OCD, the option should be there to opt out completely.

I don't mind them but I'm not going to sit there for days trying to 100% a game.

Many people that like trophies say they enjoy doing things they would have never done otherwise and I get that and also liked that aspect sometimes but after many years my opinion changed. Today I think trophies slow down my playthrough for no reason. Secret of Mana and Final Fantasy VI are some of my favorite games of all times that I played a dozen of times on the SNES over the years and I was excited to platinum them. It's not hard to achieve but when I played the remake and the pixel remaster I was very annoyed that I couldn't leave locations when I was done there. Secret of Mana has an achievement which requires to collect every gear in the game and in the near end game there are monsters with rare drops that are missable if you finish the location. I had to stay there for 3-4 hours to get those rare drops. In the original version I wouldn't have cared and progressed the story, the gear isn't even worth all the hassle. I made similar experiences with Final Fantasy VI where I couldn't leave locations because I had missing bestiary entries or I hadn't open a chest and I couldn't leave until I had those. I love both games but these were my worst playthroughs.

Ayyy Prey mentioned I love it's trophies. like killing every human on Talos 1 or finish the game in a certain way

In my opinion achievements are cool but i hate the collectables achievements

Honestly, for me, it depends on the game. If I play a game I really like playing, especially when it has a huge replayability, then I actually do my best to get 100%. I 100% completed all InFamous games on PS3, because the games are so much fun. I even went as far as getting a platnium trophy for the first Dead Space game on PS3.

I love that sound never gets old for me

POV: Idk dude I think trophy hunting Toy Story Mania on PS3 was worth 30 hours

I removed the notifications of all those trophies, I'm playing to play and giving me a trophy for completing the main mission is honestly.. dumb. I used to be a perfectionist, still sort of am and this just stresses me out and removes the fun. I just want to play. Even in Spiderman 1 on PS5, I realized all the side quests were taking away from me enjoying the game for the sake of collectibles that don't add value to the game and I don't think it adds XP either. They were also getting repetitive. I'm much happier for this, I've also removed my notifications on my phone when I did a social media cleanse (made a video about that on my channel).

I hate trophy they feel pointless

Im ok with extremely hard challenges like the wolfenstien one But the tedious ones like run on a horse for 3h and collect 100.000 *game currency* are a big nu uh

The thing is, it´s not an achievment that makes the game fun, it´s the challenge behind getting it. But if that´s the case, why not implement some sort of in-game reward (the easiest one would be some special skin for your character). That way, it encourages you to try out new things in the game, while also giving you some little reward. And then you don’t have to see that Steam achievment pop up, because important is trying that challenge, it´s not about getting a stupid online icon, right? Riiight?

Dmc5 platinum broke me

The most stupid thing is that there is 1 achievement/trophy for spending another "100 hours" to complete a game again in NG+. Then there is the Bomberman Act Zero on Xbox 360 where you need to place 1 million bombs for a achievement... Some actually wasted who knows how many weeks or months on that one.

i am tired of achievements, well it was fun back in xbox360 days. right now i am just ignoring it and enjoy the game

Trophies in games should ALWAYS be something where the player will emjoy the game and have more fun by playing for them. Unfirtunately a lot of devs get it backwards and make players hate their game by the end of it.

As a trophy as of last year I have platinumed 20+ games some ranging from uncharted 4 to Spider-Man to telltales newest game the expanse (highly recommend) and even ones like Ac odyssey or until dawn I’ve done a hell of a lot of and I’m currently going for a plague tale innocence and after that finish up watch dogs legion I love doing these for some game and there are some that I would love to get like Outlast 2 or hell the new one coming to ps5 later this year or like you said in this vid the evil within you just gotta know what your getting yourself into before doing these

I've turned the sounds off for them and I've never felt they were rewarding to get or strive to get them all unless I enjoyed doing it. However, I like them in the sense that I can look years back and say, okay so I beat [insert game] on this day, and at this time, and compare it to when I played other games and think about what I was doing in life around that time.

As someone who's reached 1 million gamerscore. I still appreciate the value of completing a task and being rewarded for it. And a lot of games get creative with the names for an achievement or what is required to unlock specific achievements. Sometimes I enjoy looking back at everything I've completed over the years. It's like a digital book of memories. And I'll always want to add more just without the pressure I used to have trying to get 1 million. Now I just enjoy gaming and if I choose to unlock everything then it's just a bonus reward for me.

The worst thing is when you decide to simply dont play an old game because it doesnt have achievements/trophies

I just pretend we're on the PS2/PSP era and play like nothing ever happened and like trophies were not a thing, same with all other games I play

I only hate impossible trophies that i need to finish game on hardest difficulty either buy a timer or just use one weapon or dont use heal etc...

This is how I feel about ff7 rebirth. I’m 100 hours in and there’s no way with my work schedule that I’ll replay it on hard and do all the other crap for another 100 plus hours. I go for platinums that are reasonable and well structured without useless grind.

I just turn off the notification and never look at them. They were fine when I first got my PS3, but when they started adding multiplayer shit to the main set, I stopped. I couldn't care less about online.

Singelplayer games with multiplayer trophies like tomb raider and tlou and games with stupid amounts of collectibles like assassins creed are killing console games for me!

I mainly play games just to enjoy them. Trophies and achievements are just bonuses on the side. But I'm just happy playing the game and getting the most out of it. Sometimes I get Trophies and achievements without trying. I either don't know what they are or just get them by playing the game. They're nice to get but they don't mean everything if you ask me.

team fortress 2 has over 500 achievements, ranging from piss easy to being literally impossible to obtain because of bugs/feature removals. most of them are actually good, since they encourage you to play with different weapons on different classes, making you explore the game's content fully.

“The part where he kills you” is probably the funniest achievement ever because you don’t even get it for doing anything specific or involved, its literally just part of the bit

I think they prey on people with obsessive personalities. I trophy hunt and even though I can rationally see it for what it is (pointless) I still do it. It has a negative effect on my experience fairly often and yet I still do it. I don't think it's coincidence that I also struggle with OCD and addiction. Of course I'm not saying everyone who trophy hunts is like this but that's the conclusion I come to for myself when I think about it. Good video. Good points made.

I think achievements are a reason to keep playing a game. Whenever I feel that a specific achievement isn't worth it, i don't push myself to get it

To me, trophies were never meant to be actively achieved. I just see them as acknowledgement of playing a game well or exploring. Actively trying to get every trophy is just stupid to me. Same goes for collectibles, I only pick them up if i find them in the campaign or if they give xp/stats or if theyre fun and there isnt too many of them.

I only 100% again if I really like it I won’t even bother if you have play it twice or any multiplayer trophies.

I have been personally attacked.

The problem is when someone gets all trophies then act like they have superior opinion just because they platinum a game while disregarding players who only play for fun and complete the game

To me. I absolutely hate achievements. Its like work. I used to log on and do what i felt like, but whats the point in doing something if i get a reward for doing something else and not only that many achievements are so stupid its better to even look at what achievements exist before playing to make sure i dont have to replay it 5 times or if mods/cheats exist to make dure i can finish the game properly. Because if its not 100% i didnt complete it as the developers wanted. By completing it i am forced to grind so much i hate the game and never want to see it again. So yeah i stopped playing new games

I don't buy games that have no achievements on Steam unless they're online multiplayer only.

2:25 If this isn't proof that Nintendo hates their fans, then I don't know what it is

Some of the few games that got the achievement system right was Wolfenstein: the new order, and the old blood. Since the perks translated into a better gameplay experience. But even without perks, gameplay is still excellent. The 2 examples of who got it wrong were tbogt, and gta5. Since after doing a grueling mission, you get greeted by a 🥉 and shows you objectives of what you missed. So instead of feeling fulfilled after all that work, i feel impotent, and frustrated. So i need to do that mission again. Replaying missions immediately never feels better than the first time.

Ac unity: we got the most collectibles Ac valhalla: “laughs historically”😈

Instead of 100% in the achievements, I hundred percent the game pretty much ignore achievements, but I would do a side quest if it has an arcade mod or something or try and get free stars on all of them and stuff like that, which feels more fun and less of a waste of time, then getting all the achievements

It has to either be really easy or i have to really like the game to get all achievements

The problem with trophies are that the devs makes it stupidly hard and nonsense often.

Titanfall2 has mostly good achievements

idk how you choose to go through that torture man lmao. as soon as something isnt pleasurable, i cease chasing it. screw all those achievements.

Trophies always existed to get people involved that have no place in gaming to begin with. Trophies makes them play the game up to 100% once. Seriously. Who ever deleted the entire game data just to collect all trophies again? Nobody does. And when you got all trophies the game is literally over. This artificial replay value is in reality the opposite. Trophies suck just for that alone but there are people that would never play games if it wasn't for them to feel rewarded. They never understand that the games themselves ARE the reward. The reward for being born, doing your stuff in the world outside of your home, job, friends, family etc. Video games are the reward. But most gamers today have no sense to realize shit.

You make a better case for achievement hunters ruining games...

how to make video game achievements actually feel gratifying to get step one: get rid of all the story progression ones step two: get rid of all the "do a random obscure thing" ones step three: only keep the ones that you get for doing an actual challenge

7:00 Speaking of AC: Unity... I got all the achievements but I don't got all the achievements. Doesn't make sense, right? What I mean is I first started playing AC Unity during those glitchy days several years ago, and well... even my achievements got glitched, EVEN TO THIS DAY!! Why don't I just replay it you might ask? Well, that's because I'm pretty high ranking in the game, almost max even, and the game has only 1 save, I'm not gonna lose all that progress, and AC Unity is the first AC game since AC1 (aka since 2007) where there's only 1 save too. I LITERARY got a permanent glitch that will stick with me for the rest of my life cause the game doesn't allows me to start over on a new save. The achievement was just getting that best sword from the DLC, it's that simple, I got the sword but nothing, that's literary the only achievement I have remaining in Unity, no matter how many times I use that sword, achievement never popped up. I was such a big AC fan back than, so I wanted AC to be the first game I got all achievements on the new gen hardware aka Xbox One, only for the game to LITERARY prevent me from doing just that. That's not the only permanent glitch I encountered too. If you have the best gear, then it'll show 5 golden diamond, but for me it's stuck at 5 silver diamond even when wearing the best gears. ;0; The only game I got that literary gave me the permanent glitch, even Mass Effect Andromeda didn't gave me one like that.

I never got into achievements too much, and mostly hated them at times. Seemed to add to an already toxic community and/or created very hollow ways to try to lengthen the time spent with a game. I feel interfaces are designed to shove achievements in your face as well. To be fair, I do think some games do achievements well. I think if they're sensible and there's not too many in accordance to the size of the game, it can be fun to put a little extra time in a game you enjoy and pick up whatever achievements you don't have. Indie games in particular I think are better at that balance. But overall it feels like that's only like 5% of the time in my opinion. So ultimately there's just far too much negative with them than positive for me to get behind them.

I try not to care about achievements until I play the Yakuza games, which I love, and have completionism inside the game. It becomes like a really unnecessary addiction trying to complete all of them silly minigames...

Well about a sound. There is only one satisfying one - the platinum. The rest are just okey?

I love TNC but the Mein Leben achievement is ridiculous

Ubisoft does have achievements and trophy on the consoles I do not know do other one first assassins creed game I got is assassin creed 3 on ps3 it hade a trophy my thought on them is this 50 50 I can complete it I will if I cannot them give up love on

Achievements are very cool, I remember when it was first brought up on my xbox 360, but 100 percenting a game is too much time and too much of a hassle. I like to complete the game around 50%-60% if the achievements are fun to do.

ayy don't disrespect the 250 riddles most of them are pretty fun to do as U get a lil puzzle to do with most of them

I have Mein Leben btw and everyone needs to know

It definitely is ruining games, it takes all the fun out and is way too time consuming

5:14 name of the game ?

Those last few line other then backlog thing was soooo relatable i stopped caring about achievements unless its one of those easy and fun plat like playstation exclusive games or resident evil because i am fanboy of that franchise

Short answer Yes they do

I just came to say yes, yes they are.

Anyone know the game at 1:59?

4:53 Just no. I do not need achievements to make me play games in ways I would have never thought of without them. This clearly shows what an otherwise idiotic marketing joke trophies and achievements are. If I never figured another way to play a game because I might not even enjoy doing that, how would trophies change that? To make me feel rewarded? Are developers stupid now? If their games are not rewarding as being games to have fun playing, then trophies will not leave a dent in my gaming life. Just a hollow visual spook when the games tell me that I ever only finished them from anything like 56% up to maybe 78%. Because of achievements nobody asked for to begin with. Replay value is when the game itself is fun.

how can achievements ruin games when they 99.9% of the time be ignored and not affect gameplay at all... that makes no sense. If its ruining games for you then just stop achievement hunting. I have to take breaks all the time for this reason.

Im on quest to play AND platinum ALL soulsborne games

Achievements are so useless and break immersion . Nothing worse than experiencing a really intense cutscene for story purposes and all you see across your screen is “blink, blink,blink,blink” 10g. Best the game on easy 20g. Beat the game in normal 30g. Beat the game on hard 25g. Beat the game on every difficulty 😒

Hahahah... I have like 80 compleated games on my steam account...I just bought Crash 4... I ONLY STARTED THIS STUPID JOURNEY CUZ OF THE PANDEMIC AND NOW I CAN'T STOP AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

I feel bad for everyone who’s a completionist on Xbox. I got a feeling xbox will shutdown by 2030. Especially after the recent drama

All achievements in Steam can be hacked using the Steam Achievement Manager. And Valve does not punish for it in any way. Therefore, achievements in steam are garbage

The concept itself is brilliant and needs to be integrated into every major system IMO (Nintendo could never), but it ultimately comes down to the game, and if the developers appreciate your time. Because achievement should require skill or a full 100% completion of a game, not mind-numbing, tedious tasks that ask you to do the same garbage for 10+ hours. That's not an achievement. That's just boring

just ignore them problem solved

yes they ruined my life

RER4 Trophy list sucks. Hot Take.

*promosm*

"beat game on hardest difficulty" achievements are awful and shouldn't exist

Just dropped by to say absolutely not (As an achievement hunter)