Also just thought I’d put this in here - I know everyone kind of ribs Andy tongue in cheek & I know it’s amongst friends, but for someone who was such an incredible runner & still is really, he is so down to earth & has absolutely none of the ‘ego’ that a lot of people who run fast nowadays have. Very refreshing & really speaks for his character. Really like Andy.

Major love and kudos to anyone here who considers themselves as either a runner or a jogger. Whatever it is you do or identify with, you are doing more than most! My long runs are more like jogs, but my jogs are sprints compared to some! As I’m training for my first full marathon on 5/7, people in my life are floored at the kind of miles I can put my legs through. Remember no matter how fast or how far, you are doing something some people can’t even fathom doing. We are SUPERSTARS! ❤

As a former ESL student, the grammar tangent cracked me up. 😂 Glad to know English is just as confusing to you. They’re just words. I appreciate TRC’s philosophy: If you’re running in any capacity, you’re a runner. 👍

Ok, love the podcast/video! When I first started running ( At 54 ) I looked up the definition of jogging versus running. It said that running was sub 13 min miles. This was so disheartening. But, the Running Channel & The Messy Happy kept saying I was a runner. It took me a while to believe “I am a RUNNER “ These two channels had big influence on me not giving up. So THANK YOU all. I have just completed my first 15K race, faster then I thought possible for me. I am now training not only for a 1/2 marathon by the end of year, but also doing it in under 2 hours. Why can I do this because any age any pace you are a RUNNER!

I've gotten my head around identifying as a runner, but as I'm not fast, I'll tell friends I'm going for a jog. Good conversation!

I think jogging Vs running is about pace and perceived effort at our own individual level. What might be a jog for me might be a run for someone else and what is a run for me might be a jog for another. For the record, overall, I consider myself to be a runner. It's an awesome channel btw. Lots of tips, motivation and website training guides have helped me drop my 5k PB to 27:02. I'm aiming for sub 25 min this year and probably as close to 20 min next year with some 10k runs thrown in. Keep up the awesome work!

Great to hear Black Trail Runners get a mention in todays podcast (avid member and supporter here), Sabrina and the other BTR Founders are doing great things. Loving the podcast and as always great subject, I’m a plodder, probably 11:30-12:00 min miles but I’m defo a runner 🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️🏃🏾‍♀️

To me, jogging is what you do when you randomly decide one Saturday afternoon to go for a jog, then maybe go again a month later. It's just a casual form of exercise. You're a runner if you do it regularly.

I love the close up of Rick because it feels a little dramatic mid convo every time 😂

I think a runners proverb is "Dont be a jogger. They are the ones who finds dead bodies" 😉🤣

It's been a regular thing now, listening to you on my long runs. Really enjoy it 😃

Pace is definitely a factor for me - I felt I was a jogger while I was building up through couch 2 5k Now I’m able to run a park run fully and further I consider myself a runner (no matter how slow) It’s taken me 30 years as an adult to finally become a runner 👍

Here are the facts: I spend a ton of money on running shoes, therefore, I'm a runner. I've never bought a pair of jogging shoes. My running shoes have never done a 5k in under 25 minutes though...

Great podcast as always and love the relationship between the 3 of you, it radiates through the screen! And the "I'm incredibly good at turning left" nearly had me spitting out my water! Lol

I ran track in 7th-9th grade (sprints & Cross Country). Began running again just before I turned 52 in 2019 & ran a 10k at Disney with zero training. Started Galloway training in late 2020 & ran local 5 & 10k’s until I attempted to run the 2022 marathon at Disney & suffered a lateral meniscus tear & IT band strain tripping over an unattended child running in a restaurant 2 nights before the race. Managed to complete 8.7 miles of the marathon before my knee completely gave out. I have spent about 75% of the last year on running rest with PT a very little training. But, I have completed 3 Half marathons & 1 full at Disney since then & I’m still not completely healed & my left knee is bone on bone. It took me 7:07:25 seconds to run/walk the January 2023 marathon, but I did it! I work hard & have constant pain & I’m proud to call myself a runner no matter how slow I am. Y’all are amazing & I wish I had found my love for running sooner! I know I’ll never be an ultramarathoner, but I’m content to run my way as long as my body allows it!!! Thanks for all the great info & inspiration!!

Love this as I am training for an Ultra and I am going to watch the Barkley Ultra film tonight for Mothers day. I have 2 gorgeous girls and I am a jogger but like you I don't differiante in my head either. I agree with everything you have said! I have always watched your channel and your advise has helped me so much. I started out with 5km and weight loss and now 6 years later my husband (Runner) is helping me to hopefully finish Ultra Coastal Vale on the 15th April 2023. Positivity in the running community is so important to allof us x

Calling Olympic Andy a jogger is the greatest trolling I've ever heard 😂

Im an English teacher who runs and, for fear of sounding patronising, may I clear up a couple of things. Verbs are doing words, ie. 'Running or jogging'. Adjectives are descriptive words, ie. 'Fast or slow'. BUT verbs can also be used to describe things, ie. 'They are running' which describes to us how they are moving. Anyway, back to my book marking.

It's like that rule from math class. All Joggers are Runners, but not all Runners are Joggers.

Run slow to run fast-means we all jog at some point in our training, but we are all runners.

On sickness recovery time, it really depends for me. Flu and colds I bounce back from pretty quickly and it usually only takes a couple of days to a week to get back to where I was. When I got (very mild) Covid I had to stop running for 10 days (being an "older" person) due to cardiac concerns (walking 2k slowly sent me to zone 4). It took me over a month to get back to 85-90%, 2-1/2 months later with 8 weeks of marathon training under my belt, I still average 15-20 seconds/mile slower than week before I tested positive.

I haven't watched the channel so much in the last year and a half, as I haven't been running as much. I would however still watch at least a video or two every month. Recently I have started dreaming of running races again, started running more again, and I find myself watching the channel more often as well. On another podcast Andy mentioned that he co-founded The Running Channel. I realize this might not interest most of the people watching the channel, but could you make a podcast about how the Channel started, what is the history of it and so on? Anna must be invited too, of course!

Great podcast and very informative, Any chance of rotating the presenters would be good to see Anna voicing an opinion.

Whenever I’m talking to somebody that isn’t a runner I’ll say jog as in I’m going for a jog but I agree with Andy. It really depends on what pace you are running at. Easy run equals a jog. Faster pace equals a run. Side note I love listening to Sarah talk. She has a great voice and accent.

Runner Or A Jogger? I always tell people "running is the sport, not the form you are in." The forms we use are walk, trot, jog, run, sprint, skip and prance. Each form is a different demand on internal and external hamstring/glut/calf/hip muscle straight. What you are better at you probably will enjoy :)

Thank you for answering my question about being ill and not running! I'm happy to report I am back running to (almost) my paces and distances pre illness! Also very interesting you mention about peeing blood after a run, I have a friend who this happens to on a regular basis if he runs 10K or more hard, he's had tests, cameras in places you wouldn't want cameras and it has all come back fine. It is just put down to "exercise-induced hematuria".

ANDY, RICK and SARAH need to do a marathon together! Would be amazing!

I actually kind of think of myself as a jogger (but don't say it a lot as people have some thing about it) I came late to running , while I am a midfoot striker my style is very much a shuffler , and unless I am doing strides or short intervals , I just shuffle quicker. So I guess I could call myself a Jogger who can pick up the pace when required. But any who use MAF or a gentle reduced stress aerobic effort is jogging in my mind. But if someone gets some sort of insecure feeling by calling what they do a JOG then no problem, call it what you will , just enjoy!

Great podcast very informative and entertaining

I got paired during a round of golf with an amateur triathlete and when I told him I do most of my runs @ 7:00-7:30/mi he was just like "oh you're just a jogger then" and I wanted to slap the shit out of him

Real runners don't make a distinction, as long as you move along towards your goal it does not matter if you are a runner, jogger, strider, walker, or you crawl towards your goal... you are one with everybody...

Why not a challenge series that sets specialist distance runners (5k/10/HM) against each other across all distances?

Really enjoying these podcasts

I agree with Rick. I feel the difference between the terms is a matter of seriousness. If you take it seriously, you're a runner (regardless of pace). If you take it casually, you're a jogger.

One of the few times I've been trolled on twitter was around jogging/running. When I posted anything sub-9mm the troll wouldn't bother me. 9-10mm the troll told me I was a jogger. If my run was 10mm or slower, the troll would say things like 'nice walk'. I blocked said troll, mostly because they were annoying!

I think outside of the "Junner" community, I think Jogging/jogger is seen as a very dated word, from when jogging was the universal term recreational running back in the 80s/90s. I almost feel like "jogging" was rebranded "running" in some respects because "jogging" is something olde timey people did in silly outfits in the 90s but running is vigerous sporting activity done by cool people. Personnally I don't mind and i'm happy to think of myself as jogger or runner, but I desribe my running as more of an advanced waddle.

Currently doing Couch to 5k. I view most of what I do as jogging, due to the form. For most stuff it is a shuffle with shortish strides. I now have two programs on the go and view the interval days as run/walk. This us because my form changes, cadence is same but strudel length longer ( thus faster). Either way it us all good exercise.

I can confirm having followed Sarah on Strava for some time that she has never described a run as a jog.

I'm currently Training for the Brighton Marathon 🏅 and this morning went for my Sunday long run at 17.7 miles. I would say I was 60% Jogger and 40% Runner, although if I didn't have the 30% Hills on the Route, then I would of been a 90% Runner and proud of it. RUNNING ON GRADIENT CAN CREATE YOU TURNING INTO A JOGGER❗ ON A TRACK I WILL ALWAYS BE A RUNNER😊

I make a point of stating to my running friends that I am "not a runner' even though I did a 3 mile jog this morning as a friend's accountability partner for her couch to 5k and then did my 10 mile session 😊

Love the energy!! Listen to this during my slow runs. Only thing is today I found the topic (runner vs jogger) a bit dull. Feel like this could have been an email (or in this case a short). "Everyone is a runner and don't talk down to people by saying they 'only' jog". Anyway, keep it up!!

Everyone's a runner whether it takes you 15 or 45 minutes to knock out a 5km. Also, race wise 800 and 3000 are by far the hardest (unless just looking to complete). Although yeah, Pole Vault and High Jump if we include field events.

When I first joined a club I was told the difference between running and jogging was being able to do a sub 40min 10k, thankfully the world has moved on. My definition of jog is a run at easy pace for less than half my long run duration.

Jogging and running are gerunds :-)

Like the podcast. Would love to see some of the other presenters…

Regarding the peeing blood after a marathon... my first guess would be Rhabdomyolysis, which is literal breakdown of muscle tissue due to physical exertion. The components that are released into your bloodstream are hard on your kidneys and cause the blood in urine

I'm doing 7 minute miles and my friend said I saw you jogging earlier 😅

As I said on Insta I consider Sarah a runner cos she's like a whippet.. Sarah's pace is quick..I consider myself a jogger at the minute as am really slow due to getting COVID last October. Still got lingering symptoms. Makes running hard

Love the podcast, looking forward to next episode.

Great discussion folks! Any chance we are getting update from Rick on how his return to running (jogging, LOL) is going?

Jogger; someone who runs for a variety of reasons, one of which might be to achieve certain times for certain distances, but enjoyment is the main reason. Not competitive vis a vis other people. Runner; someone who is fully committed to their craft, committed to improvement measured in terms of beating people rather than hitting times. Prepared to do whatever it takes to improve (within the rules!). I was once a runner, decades ago made the transition to jogger, struggling to manage even that at present!

Those speed walkers move faster than I run 🙈

Runners enter running races. Joggers jog for fun and exercise. That's how I distinguish between the two in my head.

I'm an elite jogger

A great wee podcast team.

Currently training for my maf since I didn’t run for long time…now need to restart again from below…until now I’m not sure if I’m a runner or jogger😅😅…learning a lot valuable lesson since I’m watching this running channel…anyway Sarah you look so cute😂😂

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Adjective: a word that tells you more about a noun. Noun: A word that represents a person, thing, concept, or place (e.g., “John,” “house,” “affinity,” “river”). Verb: Are words that show an action (sing), occurrence (develop), or state of being (exist).

Would you pause your watch if you were doing a "backyard" ultra where you have a maximum of 1 hour to run a 4 mile lap? Most runners take about 40 minutes and then rest between each re-start of the race at the top of the hour. Last runner to continue completing laps wins.

I try not to assume too many labels but I do some running, some jogging, some race walking (actually quite a lot) and some of what I call "shuffling" which is a combination of all the above. Variety is the spice of life, so all forms of locomotion seem worth trying. A couple of points, though: Maintaining contact with the ground is important in race walking, but it doesn't constitute the entire definition. Someone who runs (or jogs) without breaking contact is not automatically race walking. As for the hardest discipline, I have to vote for race walking. All of the tactics and endurance of distance running but also the concentration and precision of technical events, plus a fairly unique mental edge from the threat of disqualification. Peeing blood, while not a good thing, is usually not something to panic about after a long endurance event and is probably a result of moderate dehydration. I have certainly coped without needing to waste the time of a medical professional. That said, you don't need to take medical advice from the comments section on youtube.

I would say that running is done with an "intention" (like training for a race or to get faster) wheras jogging is more a freestyle thing. It's interesting that right after that you discussed an ultramarathon, which is mostly by hiking. Would it be insulting to call ultramarathoners hikers or walkers rather than runners?

I listened to this podcast on Spotify on my way to my 5k race this morning ❤

I don't care if I'm called a runner or a jogger.I just enjoy it.I 'm just glad that I'm physically able to do it.On a side note I'm one of five siblings and my mam and dad took a lot of stick.I sympathise with Andy and hasn't he only got three children?

I recently found this channel and love it ! Any advice that I might gleam from you would be greatly appreciated. I will be running The Original Marathon in Greece in November and I want to do better than my last marathon three months ago.

I'm surprised no one has suggested that jogging is a sub set of running. Maybe get a Venn diagram going.... although if you paid as much attention in maths as you did in English then maybe not.

I hope your english teachers aren't watching! Hilarious though, really enjoying the podcast and camaraderie!

Peeing blood means you have pushed your body to far and have a major kidney issue. It is a think, same as any form of over exercising. Rhabdomyolysis is very dangerous which is why you need to remain hydrated and be careful with how much you train and what you put in your body.

My high school coach (America in the 90s) let's just say our relationship dynamic wasn't "collaborative"😅 - I knew the tongue- lashing I was in for later, if during a race or workout, he spat "you're joggin'!" Now, a few decades older and happier, and a few months into trying out low heart rate training, I'm going to own "going for a jog" 😊

theres a question is a elite marathon runner really running harder in effort compared to a person who is out there for say 5 hours / i ask this because yes the elite person is running much faster etc but in reality isnt the average runner in their own way putting in just as much effort according to their ability i like to see a graph showing heartrate perceived effort etc showing the difference between

80 percent of the time in any case we should be jogging.

I think it depends on an individuals fitness, but if I can still talk and I'm still smiling then I'm jogging :)

I personally refer to myself as a runner, but I don't think there's anything wrong with either term, I'm happy to say "I went for a jog today". Having said that, several years ago an acquaintance had seen me out on a run and commented on it later saying "I saw you there the other day" "oh yeah, I was running" "running!? looked more like you were jogging to me". That just didn't sit right with me. Like excuse me, but for me whatever pace you run doesn't matter, you're still a runner, you're still running. I really dislike when someone thinks a person isn't running or can't be a runner because they're not "fast enough", whatever that means.

I label my recovery runs as jogging. Easy runs are running though, as are steady, hard, tempo, etc. Sprinting is sprinting haha

In the States, if someone sees a lady out, she’s jogging. But if it’s a man, he’s running. I think in the States “jogging” is a term used to devalue things that women do. No one would ever say to my husband that he’s “jogging.” But I get it all the time. We run together, and at the same pace.

When I am pushing or doing a race I am 'running' but I go 'jogging' if I just want a chilled jog on a trail where I am not too focused on pace.

Wow, Sarah has 4080 followers on Strava. The last one added is me. :-)

Proud jogger. Slow and steady!!

Did Andy call the classic Blur song Park life Park run or did my brain do that? Andy’s slip or my brain filling in?

I consider myself a runner, however I do some long distance, fast-paced walking, sometimes. I'd honestly rather do a fast-paced walk than a jog, since you're moving the same speed.

I think there is BIG diffrence between run and jog.For me i did jogs becaude my pace ip and down compare to running who completely pace up.

Interesting discussion about the running/jogging when i was young it always bothered me. Now i think the best way to define would be that running is a low intensity run defined by heart rate

7 km in the morning and 7 km in the afternoon!

I am a runner - the slowest runner ever to have run.

I don't enjoy running nor jogging; so, not sure what to call myself, I do it for *body composition purposes* . I do a few miles during the week (10-15) with a 20-23 long run weekly. The anxiety of preparing for a 20+ miler the day before is nerve wrenching; which, is something I NEVER enjoy. Actually, going for an easy 8 miler in about an hour or so...to prepare for a scheduled 23 miler in a few days. Call me a runner or jogger -I wouldn't care. All that matters is my health, symmetry and body fat levels....along with having some "firepower" under my skin because "running or jogging" isn't the only thing I do.

I would say you're a jogger when you do it mostly for health benefits and just getting some fresh air, so with no ultimate goal on either distance or time. So as soon as you have a goal, no matter what time or distance (or both) you qualify as a runner.

Well that turned into Anchorman. "I'll think you'll find it's pronounced 'yogging'." "No Ron."

I wee'd blood after my first trail mara. Mid August and not enough water stations. It wasn't real blood but unbroken down blood cells. Fine by the next wee!

I freaked out a bit there with the grammars 😂

I'm both, a runner and a jogger

For reference there were 3 finishers of the Barkley Marathons this year and still no woman has completed it in time. Also, the race is based on the poor distance that James Earl Ray (the assassin of Martin Luther King) covered in a 54.5 hour escape from a nearby prison. There's a whole wikipedia page about it.

There’s a KZfaq doco on the Barkley titled “The Race that eats its young.”😳😬.

You guys are great 👍 🏃‍♀️

I got the Blur referance 👍

What was the name of the documentary on Netflix they had mentioned after the Barclay marathon?!?!?!?

I did a 22 min Parkrun and someone literally passed me walking; quite a bit later, I did a 20 min Parkrun and was passed by someone dressed as Santa, pushing a stroller - felt like a jogger on both occasions

Surely the difference between running and jogging is intensity - rpe?

I feel old because Sarah didn’t get Andy’s Blur reference 😢

What's the name of the documentary on netflix reference the 100m race plz

If you pee blood during a long duration event stop and seek medical advice. I don't remember the technical term but basically your muscles are breaking down and your kidney is working hard to remove the resulting toxins. It does happen more than people think. Listen to your body, one thing is being exhausted and another being sick. BTW tomorrow I will run my first marathon. I've trained for a long time so hopefully I will have a blast 😎

For me, a Runner got the passion to push himself, to improve times and or distances for over years. A jogger instead is up for a health reason. Doesn‘t mean a jogger can become a runner.