Making it felt the exact same

​@@qmanchu but now we have data to back it up. :)

if your stuck on floor five i just got one piece of advice. Learn to anti-Air, that will carry you to floor 7

Maining Sin feeds my victim complex.

The first ever sin I've fought was on floor 6 and I perfected him on a round and beat him 3-0. Haha it was so underwhelming and sad. Buff sin

A good Sin can beat any fox

Sin’s my main and I’ve qualified for heaven a couple months, you can definitely win with him but it takes 2-3x the work than any other character, but I haven’t clicked with anybody else so I’m stuck till they buff him or till I just get absurdly good at using Eat after knockdowns 💀😂

@@Marcolepsy22 he's an easier to play character than pot, but pot is definitely a better character.

I'm just gonna let you know. Millia "was" weak prior to this current patch. Extremely powerful character rn and heavily downplayed.

Actually, shes good and was always pretty good, Millia mains were just unable to come to terms with matchups like Millia Pot and in general were dooming.

@@h4rdtr Millia is one of few characters that I generally don’t know what to do about when fighting against, her pressure is crazy

@@h4rdtr quite frankly, I’m going to keep downplaying Millia until she can skip neutral for free like the upper Half of the cast.

@@cronoz-sensei4259 she was definitely not always pretty good. When the game dropped mirage had counter hit state and she couldn’t cancel into anything from it and basically had no safe ender. Pot isn’t a bad matchup anymore IMO. You just need to know how to finesse

As a Ky Main, I just thought Dragon Install was absolutely sick when I got Strive

I hardly believe you can cS from halfway across the screen :p

I couldn't agree more!

With exceptions. Some characters are super easy to understand like sin, so when they’re low tier it’s just hard to be carried

goldlewis

Does it depends on regions too ? Because I've compared my stats in SFV to my NA friends and I faced three times more Fangs in my Region than them. And there are other characters like Lucia or Menat and I never run into them

@@qmanchu is ramlethal considered a ‘unfair’ top tier?

Many thanks! It's definitely a blue print for even cooler things to come

That's honestly pretty impressive, I thought he was a boring badly designed character tbh.

@@devindameron I can understand that. He feels outdated in a way compared to the other fighters using all these flashy new moves. I love his gameplay the most since it's almost like a dance each game due to his movement options.

@@TheSealedAngelthat's fair, I played big band on Skullgirls just to play the trumpet in game haha. I just looked at his kit, his options on block, the way he was designed and his damage, and was immediately like "nah" lol. Although, I do kinda like his butterfly and his like parry spin move, those are somewhat unique. But besides that he just feels lackluster comparatively to other characters. I play nago btw

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed

What games do you have in mind?

@@qmanchu Outside of Strive and SFV, I don't think any other game has this much data.

@@leaomarinho5023 yeah as far as I know for now, you're right. But considering this one was a fan made resource, there could be others. I don't know. I'll have to look into it

@@qmanchu I actually tried using wireshark to find kof XV's replay server, but them remembered I'm a brainlet 😅

​@@qmanchu also CFN has a lot of ressources to make it easier

Glad it could inspire you! I've still got a lot of work to do myself but I'm glad to see FG content growing! 💪

Yeah it's mostly matchup unfamiliarity that leads to characters like that having a high index. Your opponents not knowing how to fight you, can be considered being carried by some. But I respect Axl and Jack-O players alike

I was doing some math in my head and I do think you're right that it'll hurt character specialists 400 games is a little under 2 months of game play if you average 60 games a week (60 a week would be low for pros playing every day but fairly doable for people with a 9-5/other responsibilities). By 2 months time that's usually enough to get a character up to competitive strengths and by game 100 you'd likely know if that character clicks enough to put time into. So it does likely hurt you if you much prefer a style of gameplay only a select few characters bring there's enough scrutiny that a single character marty isn't bringing down their average for trying out a new character for a week.

@@Mucmaster this is such a good point that I only kind of thought about briefly.

You are one strong willed man, whenever I’m playing sin I dodge every chipp player. I’m playing online and want to have a good time, not playing against that character

@@SkitZiee i just lie to myself and say "i will learn this match up, there is defenetly a good rps situation here somewhere" while snorting some copium

Faust mains 🤝 Sin mains One Struggle against our mostly minus moves

@@-cams. no, Sin has a plus 8 move. It’s just that his normals are so bad he still tends to get hit out of it.

The thing I've noticed about applying statistics to fighting games like this is that while yes, all of those things do affect HC's index, that's kind of the point. It's not a problem with the numbers to say his unique style and complications make him hard to fight against. That's a general reason why he carries so hard, along with him just being strong

@@qmanchu yeah I realised as I was typing that the first point works for it,but since he's weird he kinda encourages being a HC specialist, and if your worst matchup is a couple 5-5s, why would you need anyone else?

Lol tell that to i-no.

Maybe you drop floors because you're not familiar with the character you swapped to (or as familiar with 'em as Pot)

👀 huge inspiration of mine. I wasn't sure anyone would notice!

yes

These values change month to month, and restart every month. So recency wouldn't affect it since he's been out for months now. People had more than enough time to try him out and didn't stick with him is pretty much what happened lol. Less data would make sense yes, but not only is he at the bottom of usage, he's winning less than most, and he's not helping anyone's ratings much

Sin might actually just be pretty bad. When I fight a Sin player, my monkey brain immediately chimes "FREE" and I proceed to put them in their place at the bottom of whatever graph they're located on.

Chicken and egg scenarios are maybe likely but I'd say HC has been out long enough and been nerfed multiple times, so it's unlikely people are picking him now just to get easy wins. But obviously, it's still possible. And the ratings reset every month I think? It might actually be even more than that so the games are all at most, a few weeks old. Also when it comes to the order at which you pick up a character, the index picks your main based on your highest rating so it doesn't really matter what order things happen in. The thing with tracking stuff like this in fighting games is that it'll never be perfect and we can kind of only work with what we've got. The Fraud Index is the closest thing we have to telling us who is "carried" but it's also flawed in tons of ways. At the end of it all, it's just interesting and fun to talk about

I know what that term means in terms of smash but no idea what that means in the context of GGST. Care to explain?

I'm so sorry

@@qmanchu Daisuke owes me an apology not you thank you though o7

If you want a real super conclusive answer, it would require averaging out more data from over time than just the time period listed here. But I mainly wanted shine a spotlight on this resource so it gets more use and more people make informed opinions

I'd recommend checking the website yourself to get answers on specific characters. The data changes all the time as well so. The data is pretty easy to understand if you use my video to guide you thru all the charts

@@qmanchu Thats rough. I simply only got that HC players are carried. I saw that Chipp is like 117 but idk exactly what that means.

@@HardendEnt basically, it means that Chipp mains aren't winning that much more with Chipp than they are with their secondary characters.

@@qmanchu Gotcha. Now I get it, thanks for the video!

Fraud index doesn't account for the floor, but it looks like br doesn't carry people that much

Lol nope, just a mistake I made when doing the voiceover and by the time I noticed, It was too late to fix. Been on allergy meds so I'm kinda loopy

@@qmanchu ❤️

Anime fighters like this push the limits though, no way in real life a bridget yoyo would propel someone the size of goldlewis 2-3 meters into the air lol, mass just doesn't work that way no matter how hard the yoyo was swung.

honestly, at high rank, it probably has to do with two factors: a) people don't know how to fight Axl. he's a little less popular, and requires a major adjustment in the way the player thinks, as well as significant matchup knowledge, before he becomes the mediocre character we consider him to be. anyone lacking the adaptability or knowledge to fight an Axl will lose very handily most of the time, since at his core, Axl is one of the biggest knowledge check simulators in Strive. b) good matchups against high tiers. axl's matchup chart is, as with most zoners, very heavily varied and somewhat lopsided. much of the cast walks all over him, and the rest of the cast is nearly hopeless against him. it just so happens that several high/top tiers, such as Goldlewis and Nago, fall into the latter camp, and a few others like HC, Zato, and Testament are part of his rare group of even matchups. so the most popular/powerful characters are actually kind of manageable for him, which is the characters you see at high level mostly, and it's really much of the rest of the cast that actually reminds him of his mid-low tier status. this means that he can actually take games against high ranked players, despite his flaws. and at low-mid level, it's mostly just the first point but twice as much. no one wants to fight a zoner, so they don't because they don't think it's fun or hard to do, and then they get into a match with one and remember that they actually have no clue how to approach it.

Lol I'm glad to hear it! Still finding my footing on the kind of content I'll be making but it's fun having a bit of variety!

what ? bridget is kinda hated by a lot of people and potemkin is a popular character. most people are indifferent about anji

Zato is harder to learn overall compared to Nago. In lower levels, where I am, people play Nago like he’s Gio and I can guarantee you after playing those Nago’s people come out thinking they’re bad, and carried. It’s mostly a ‘people don’t care to learn the matchup’ situation.

I'm not sure how you could not know what Umisho's pronouns are. They go by she/her and every commentator ever has pretty much said as much during tournaments.

I agree with you in there's different meanings being carrying. But if what you said were all that we should look at, Happy Chaos players would be better with other characters more often, lowering that value. But instead, they win tons more with him, than any other character that should be carrying them. So it's interesting to say the least

@@qmanchu i mean maybe i missheard what you said, but at the low to mid range level he loses on average more than he wins. so at the average level, yes, a happy chaos player would probably be better off playing a character that wasnt happy chaos, unless they plan on carrying him straight to the skill ceiling

@David Knight yeah that's the thing, he loses more than he wins, but those same players apparently lose EVEN MORE with other characters they have as secondaries. That's why the fraud index value is high, because their HC numbers are still better than their secondaries. If that weren't the case, they'd have lower discrepancy in the numbers. So this implies HC still kinda carries these players, even at low level. It's hard to make sense of over YT comments but I recommend checking the website. The numbers are hella different now than they were when I recorded this a week ago

@@qmanchu maybe they lose even more with other characters because of HC’s unique play style making it trickier to switch to a more conventional character afterwards?

His conclusion is based solely on 51 Happy Chaos players that have played more than 400 matches on both happy chaos and another character. there is no actual analysis that happens in this video. He disregards any points you try making that poke at his conclusion.

You thought I'd just let this comment Drift by unnoticed?

U thought u could just fade into the black sea...

The weirdest factor of this data also probably affects Axl in some significant ways. And that's the fact that people can duck matchups in the tower. As a goldlewis main I tended to avoid Axl's considering how bad the matchup used to be.

@@qmanchu yeah, i play axl since gg sign, its a good character and i tell u, most of the people choose they matches by the matchup and win easy to get to the next floor, i avoid to do that tbh i don't like to feel like a cheater, i assure u i saw a Lot of people in floor 10 when a Lot of points and lvl, but they don't have skill at all, yeah they are good but spaming the same shit and don't having a backup plan or a way to read someone tells u about the fraud

It's funny because it can still definitely be used as scrubquotes fodder but I really hope it isn't. It's easy for us to get a certain "reality" in our heads when it comes to FGs. I'm hoping content like this can help us view things more objectively moving forward. I think it's more fun that way

Playing? Yes. Winning with? Debatable. Admittedly, the charts aren't gonna be a perfect representation

Yeah, starting the Fraud Detection Index explanation. Ever heard of side-chaining? I think it'd help elevate your videos to a whole new level and once you set it up, the rest of your videos can benefit from it. My bad if you do actually know about it and have used it before, i'm new to the channel but you have excellent videos👍

@@Iwatoda_Dorm bro forgot the first spam bot

Axl is a pretty ranged character too so I wouldn't say HC is the only one. Plus he's been out over a year now. He's not new to people who are playing thr game in March of 2023. In lower ranks, his win rates are low which would imply the bulk of the carrying is happening in higher levels, not lower. Which makes sense cuz he is one of the harder characters to learn

@@qmanchu so, kind of the reason he's being carried is soley _because_ he's punching through the high ranks? It's really hard for me to conceptualize being carried by your character in higher ranks, but can't argue with statistics. Great video all in all.

@@Iwatoda_Dorm Consider it this way: Happy Chaos has a unique and mechanically demanding gameplan that has the potential to be very punishing if executed poorly or incorrectly, but when piloted well allows him to negate or avoid interacting with other character's best strengths or elements. What happens is that at low ranks, weaker players fail to meet the skill floor of execution and decision making to pilot him effectively, leading to a VERY poor winrate. However, once you hit the skill floor needed to pilot him effectively, you do NOT need to polish the necessary skills other characters might to continue winning against stronger players because of your character's unique mechanical quirks, and as such he 'carries' stronger players. Essentially, his gun is a REALLY difficult mechanic to be both consistent and correct with all the time, but the time spent learning how to operate the gun is universally applicable, and in terms of value, tends to outpace nuanced and complete matchup knowledge or familiarity with system mechanics. Miss the floor and you're dogshit, clear the floor and suddenly you have access to the best tool in the game and you're 'carried' against strong players only.

It doesn't actually. Well for Potemkin yes. But when I recorded this, Goldlewis was the most popular character at the 2 highest levels with a great win rate to back it up. He actually does really well in the tower

I'm a goldlewis main and basically the thing about him is he's a very "Do they know?" Type character. He's gotba lot of knowledge checks. But if you FD him, he has to commit to something sooner or later. Also you should practice interrupting the slower BTs. They're reactable and it can be done. I play the character and I agree he can be dumb but it's mostly because of how reliant his gameplan is on players not knowing what he can do.

As a Goldlewis main, yeah totally lmao

Eh there's not really a point. It's for anyone to determine what the term means cuz as you said, it means different things to everyone. By the end of the video it's pretty clear what I'm talking about, but obviously you can also apply the data however you want! In the case of what you said, both definitions work and I can't really define and clarify every version of the term that works and doesn't work. But you're right in that I could've addressed what I just said. Appreciate the feedback!

@@qmanchu You're welcome, sorry if I was pedantic.

@Mr.Thorpe I mean only a bit lol. but this type of video invites that kind of thought. It helps me do better to understand what the audience is thinking/hearing when I speak. If my goal is to educate and entertain, I need to make sure I can do it clearly and effectively! The channel is growing quickly and I'm still learning

lol yeah it's already been noted

Thanks so much! These are a lot of work to put out but they're fun to make and research

I wish I took AP Stats before making this video. Had to brush up on a lot

It truly isn't

Yupp! Made a mistake! I'm well aware, thanks though! Appreciate the heads up

Indeed it is! I mentioned it earlier but I've been adjusting to spring coming and my allergy meds had me making all kinds of mistakes on this video lol

i'm very interested on hearing why do you think HC is hard. i basically always hear that argument when his performance comes to discussion, but almost never got any development on why he is actually hard. i actually think he is easier than half the roster in many regards, but of course he is a bit more demanding in a few. i even know pro players who thinks he isn't particularly difficult (marvelo, LK, even umisho herself), so yeah, i'm curious to know why do people think he is difficult