Ariel Castro Victims' Horrifying Torture and Miscarriages

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11 жыл бұрын

"Like many others, I have feelings ranging from horror to disgust to macabre interest as facts emerge from Cleveland concerning the many awful crimes committed on at least three young women for a decade. But, as a lawyer and law professor, one of my biggest concerns is how Ohio's criminal law can and will respond to these crimes."*
Ariel Castro is the main suspect in the kidnappings, repeated rapes, and torture of three Cleveland women over several years. Now details are coming out with the horrifying acts he allegedly committed against the women; what kind of punishment does he deserve? Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian break it down.
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@SoninhaRC 11 жыл бұрын

I read in another article on this case that is already considered a death penalty offense if you force a person to undergo an abortion (in this case a forced miscarriage) - can anyone corroborate/confirm/correct that?

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Not caring is just as bad as advocating it. It's like not caring about a child being raped and just standing by, not doing anything to stop it. To say you don't care if that happens makes you just as guilty as approving it. Letting him "rot"? Deary me.

@ZaidAlabud 11 жыл бұрын

"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster" - Friedrich Nietzsche

@brierlappin5889 11 жыл бұрын

I am amazed at the fact that the same word used describe a sick pedophilic, kidnapping, torturer is also the same word used to describe a harmless socially awkward dude: CREEP -_-

@scottpastry 11 жыл бұрын

"Keeping a person in a cage to be beaten and raped until they are dead is what I'd call cruel and unusual punishment. " No need for the rape and beatings. Keep him in isolation. Society protected, and no cruel and unusual punishment, and no necessary rehabilitation.

@RavenBlaze 11 жыл бұрын

The irony of justice among thieves. People who are put in prison or jail for rape, spousal abuse or child molestation are way more likely to get the shit beat out of them than those in there for other crimes.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

You did not cite any, you just typed it. A citation means to show where you got your information from. You did not do this. This, again, shows you have trouble understanding what words mean :(

@standoughope 11 жыл бұрын

Mental illness is an increasingly alarming issue in America that has been manifesting itself in various ways be it shootings, rape, torture etc.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

"Your argue that..." Are you the same person trying to educate me on how to form a sentence? ROFL!

@pyrrho314 11 жыл бұрын

btw, saying it's worse to get imprisoned because we happen to endorse and supply cruel and unusual punishment in jails, is not particularly civilized, it's not a good reason to keep someone alive.

@Skateandcreate9 11 жыл бұрын

saying words on the internet about what could possibly be a more harsh punishment than the death penalty is like becoming someone more gruesome than the guy who actually did these horrific thing??? WOWWWWW

@Ocelllian2 11 жыл бұрын

How can you ever want to deny someone a trial? No matter how much you hate them, I'd always want to give them a trial. You have to know the person is guilty, otherwise you're hating the wrong person. Once found guilty though, prison, torture, death, none of it is enough.

@CharlieApples 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think the death penalty should have been based on forced miscarriage, it should have been based on attempted murder _of the three women,_ through the acts of starving them, beating them, and forcing them to endure physical and psychological torture for an entire decade. Any of those three things could easily kill a person _on their own,_ let alone in combination.

@croakerchoker504 11 жыл бұрын

It sets an even more dangerous precedent when our justice system goes soft on the most despicable people on this earth.

@Saucypants1000 11 жыл бұрын

This is as close to murder as I get, I'm usually against the death penalty, but at the same time I don't think people like this deserve to be on this planet.

@DarthAzabrush 11 жыл бұрын

Cenk's point on setting a precedent is correct. In the UK a foetus has never legally been a human being due to a 1790 ruling that "a child is not a child till it takes breath independently of its mother" This ruling was later overturned in a very emotive traffic case with a miscarriage and ever since the anti abortion lobby have been on fire despite being pretty much non existent before.

@SpitViciouz 11 жыл бұрын

When they said that he starved them for two weeks and then punched them in the stomach until the baby was "aborted" I had to stop the video for a second. Man, that's some harsh shit.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Look at it this way. Do we punish people with tourettes for swearing? No. Do we punish people with Parkinson's disease for spilling our beer? No. Of course, what he done was much worse than the examples given, but the same principles apply. Punishment doesn't work, especially if he has psychological trauma, which he almost certainly does. You need to ask yourself what made him do this in the first place. Lack of empathy? Urge to harm? If so, then how and why did he get this way?

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Nobody said it gives them a fee pass to commit crimes. If their crime is harsh enough, they need to be taken away from society so they cannot do it again, but to punish them for actions not under their control is just vile.

@alexanderthor5374 11 жыл бұрын

At least five children dead, 3 women forcibly confined for 10 years. This guy is beyond "having issues".

@sggidlyrehc 11 жыл бұрын

With our system, the death penalty is currently very expensive, far more expensive than prison for life...

@AstroidSizeZit 11 жыл бұрын

whether a victim is innocent or not.....has no bearing on whether thinking of the most cruel way to hurt someone else is barbaric or not.

@NonDeUn 11 жыл бұрын

Apparently being giddy about the prospect of someone being abused and raped in prison, when those are the exact things he is being put in prison for, seems an appropriate response to some people...

@ShotRage 11 жыл бұрын

The irony of this is if you examine it closely enough it's pretty much what he did to his victims.

@christophermartin8685 11 жыл бұрын

The cycle of violence must be broken, LOVE your children, neighbors, family, friends, strangers, enemies, and this will end. One Love Yall!

@ReadingRhinoPress 11 жыл бұрын

That is definitely a huge part of why I don't believe in the death penalty. Killing him would just end him and his miserable existence, there needs to be more done.

@sdrawkcabgnipytmai 11 жыл бұрын

"You cannot comprehend an understanding of "guilty" and "justice"." Yea, except that a lot of people are falsely convicted of crimes. That's a fact. We find cases like that all the time.

@AstroidSizeZit 11 жыл бұрын

you know, in letting your emotion take over and trying to think of the most cruel way of "punishing" him, you think the same way he did when he was thinking of ways to hurt his victims.

@d3221ck 11 жыл бұрын

do you know almost every killer bargains to avoid the death penalty? the victims family should decide not people who assume prison is worse than death, if that were the case millions would not be making deals to avoid this sentence. it's selfish to the victims.

@tigertailave2394 11 жыл бұрын

When I was 13, my mom used to buy name-brand clothes and purses from stores in my area and then sell them on eBay at a good price. She made a good amount of money and, at the height of her 'business', she bought a cheap mannequin from a friend of hers. The mannequin creeped me the fuck out at 13 and it continues to creep me the fuck out at 18. Mom rarely uses it now and she keeps it in the corner of the garage. As a result, I'm scared to go into the garage at night. The logical part of (1/2)

@findmeifyoucan 11 жыл бұрын

He wrote in a journal that he wanted to commit suicide, so capital punishment is exactly what he wants. Death is an easy way out compared to rotting/ getting raped in jail. Don't let him have death, let him suffer.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Allegedly, he was violently raped numerous times as a child. How do you know what life this man has had? You don't. And he probably does have a fucked up limbic system, which means he is a victim of that and has hardly any control over his actions. It's the equivalent to that guy who went on a raping spree, then found to have a brain tumour. He was fine after it was removed, but then started raping again...because the tumour had grown back. This guy was also a victim first.

@Gamesman01 11 жыл бұрын

What really needs to be investigated is how he got away with these crimes for all these years.

@FluffRecordings 11 жыл бұрын

You're basically embodying what Anna was talking about. Good Job.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

"Revenge is nothing that comes from nothing" - No idea what this means. I am not neglecting the victims, this topic is not about the victims, it's about Castro facing the death penalty or not. Are you actually saying he decided to take part in being raped as a child? Let me make it simple for you. Would it surprise you to learn that these three victims will now have suffered psychological trauma and may very well act irrationally? What would you do if one then went on to harm another due to it?

@YY4Me133 11 жыл бұрын

You've got the cart before the horse. The bar exam is taken after graduation.

@lopirobinson1991 11 жыл бұрын

Death is not a punishment, It is a release. Period.

@MetanoiaMan 11 жыл бұрын

Because you know, 3 scared, starved, tortured women could kill a guy who held all the cards.

@kght222 11 жыл бұрын

try not to say or type "yo" again, if you do you might be guilty of murder. reading that comment melted my mind, and i fear that it is permanently attached. the ambiguation "yo" is something you can no longer say, i don't want to die.

@Greg_Ulmer 11 жыл бұрын

no. A fetus is not a legal person. You can only murder people. You don't just get to say a fetus has rights when you feel like it. The crime was starving her, beating her, and forcing miscarriage on her, not murdering a fetus.

@kiailol 11 жыл бұрын

The crimes he committed are so horrible that I think most people see him as less than human.

@rayjayo 11 жыл бұрын

Good, that Cenk said that thing about the two other brothers, but on the other hand you gotta ask the question, why the media and tyt showed this type of pictures of them without any evidence?

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Not if the guy is under lock and key now. It's not like he is in the middle of raping a baby and needs to be taken out. In this case, the logic is to keep him out of civilised society until (if possible) he can be rehabilitated. The logic is not to murder him for your own blood-lust.

@YOURsexDOCTOR 11 жыл бұрын

Don't give that guy the death penalty, let him taste his own medicine in prison instead

@pyrrho314 11 жыл бұрын

some states have laws about that some not, CNN has reported Ohio is a state where if they can prove that it's a murder. However, they may need physical evidence (like finding buried fetuses) which of course may be difficult assuming he didn't dispose of them at his house.

@AstroidSizeZit 11 жыл бұрын

be clear, you advocated torture. not imprisonment as a result of trial.

@quaxk 11 жыл бұрын

here's 100% logic: get the trash to the curb, no need to let it linger

@BerzergerR 11 жыл бұрын

Oh, if only I needed your approval. For, like, anything at all. In any case, when someone drops a gem like "i am speaking good english" it is rather hard to ignore.

@ForFucksSakeWhy 11 жыл бұрын

Because it costs more to kill put someone to death than to keep them in jail Putting him in jail and potentially getting raped everyday is somewhat poetic justice

@Sweetp000433 11 жыл бұрын

I know what happens to criminals who rape children 13 and under but when they're 14 and up do the inmates still consider them pedophiles? This story got me so mad I'm actually hoping they the answer is yes so he gets passed around till his dying day.

@Greg_Ulmer 11 жыл бұрын

Setting an example doesn't work as a deterrent. There are 0 potential serial killers/rapists/etc who would not have done it if they heard that someone else got put in solitary confinement. You just want to torture people.

@Brudof 11 жыл бұрын

How is keeping this guy alive for life in prison at the tax payer's expense better than the death penalty?

@heff4heather 11 жыл бұрын

I don't get why people think killing someone is worse than locking them up. Let them suffer in prison forever, killing them is doing them a favor!

@Henbot 11 жыл бұрын

Sex criminals and pedophiles are utterly smashed when they get to jail by the other prisoners.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

It's not justice, it's revenge, Why do you think the most civilised countries in the world have abolished it long ago, yet countries like America, Saudia Arabia, et al still have it? The "Do onto others as they've done to you" quote has long been dismissed. Why don't you drag yourself into the year 2013 and do your part to be a civilised member of society, rather than someone advocating the death of a human being?

@ZennTempleRiffs 11 жыл бұрын

Abused kids grow up to identify either as an abuser or as a victim. I spent most of my life playing the victim during my drug addiction. I blamed it, and my suicide attempts, on my abuse. Not true; I'm an addict bc it's a disease and I'm clean three years now. I'm no longer a victim. Nor do I have any shred of sympathy for this sicko. The scariest thing is how he acted normal for so, so long before he was caught.

@IceBlueBeard 11 жыл бұрын

Comparing the forced abortion to a real abortion is not the same. It would be like comparing a doctor having to dismember a foot from someone in order the save the patient as the same as someone cutting your leg of in an attack.

@Skeluz 11 жыл бұрын

Lifetime in prison is the same thing as not being on this planet, in my book.

@ScottyG543 11 жыл бұрын

How do you even marry someone like that in the first place?

@DanteKael 11 жыл бұрын

Is it wrong of me to want to create a sentence above life in jail but below death penalty where the guy has to undergo mandatory rape in prison for the rest of his life by increasingly scary prisoners?

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Yep. It's a whole new field of discussion that has been opened for debate when it has been discovered that a) free will doesn't exist, and b) if you have a psychological disorder then you are a victim of it. People can't get their heads around not wanting to punish people. But what does punishment achieve? Smacking a child causes underdevelopment in their brain, particularly with the parts which influence emotions, making them worse. Punishment has NEVER worked, and never will work.

@ChristopherNFoster 11 жыл бұрын

You could have gotten your point across without trying to insult me.

@no2religions 11 жыл бұрын

Which is exactly why justice isn't decided by angry mobs. Civilization figured that much out thousands of years ago.

@ZPSBestProfileName 11 жыл бұрын

"To say it's okay to kill someone because they don't have a positive influence is the same as saying to kill anyone with a severe spinal injury who is unable to work." Clearly he had one in which he seeked to harm others and that is my point. Obviously I am not advocating the murder of anyone who is physically ill, for example. In fact you just used the slipper slope fallacy on me - I'll let it go because perhaps the mistake was warranted.

@BaronDeCobray 11 жыл бұрын

I'm glad they are addressing the precedent issue with them wanting to propose the death penalty. That is a very dangerous precedent to set.

@ziltoidtheomniscient2398 11 жыл бұрын

i highly doubt they've ever said that gun owners are inherently heartless.

@howiplayrunescape44 11 жыл бұрын

I don't think people still understand that people in jail get better health care and other better thing that others just don't have.

@TheBeastacus 11 жыл бұрын

I don't agree that prisoners being mistreated by other prisoners has anything to do with justice. I think it has everything to do with an instinct for cruelty. It's easier for society to vent their cruelty onto someone who's been cruel as well. Not to mention lots of innocent people are in prison and get mistreated as well.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

I accidently thumbed up your comment instead of down. I do apologise.

@chrispriveco 11 жыл бұрын

"I ain't gotta tell him 'go to hell', cuz that's the shit that makes them other niggas sick in jail" J. Cole- See World

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

*Sigh* He doesn't deserve worse. People get too lost in emotions rather than the science and logic. I have no doubt that this guy had been through some shit, and most likely has some deep psychological trauma, as all offenders like him have been found to have. Some people can't be rehabilitated and need to be locked up away from civil society, but to want this man who is now under lock and key to then be murdered is just as bad as what he done. It's not justice, it's revenge and murder.

@DoodooBean 11 жыл бұрын

Safe and sound? I don't think that's what this guy would get in prison from his fellow inmates.

@xXprettyxkittyXx 11 жыл бұрын

I also hope they don't sentence him to death. I think we are all aware how rapists/child molestation is treated in prison.

@Digital111 11 жыл бұрын

I really hope he doesn't get the death penalty. If he dies he cannot be punished for the decade of torture he gave to those poor girls, I hope he gets locked up for the rest of his life with zero chance of getting out no matter how good he behaves in there.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

I gave you a better definition of the word 'sentence.' No capital letter for the word "two" after you started with the letter "A." Of course, someone that also typed "Your argue that..." is not to be taken seriously when it comes to semantics and grammar.

@Telexic 11 жыл бұрын

Best punishment: left alone in a dark windowless room only big enough for him to stand, then give him food and water so he can survive and make him live that way for the rest of his life.

@TheLastLineLive 11 жыл бұрын

not true in the slightest. Costs more to house a prisoner for life than for about an average of 10 years before you kill them.

@Greg_Ulmer 11 жыл бұрын

if you disagree, maybe you should try to rebut what i'm saying, rather than just insulting me.

@Yvaelle 11 жыл бұрын

The miscarriages are trivial compared to everything else he did. He's a serial rapist, serial torturer, hostage-taker, with a history of assault a mile long. If the death penalty is considered appropriate for anyone, it should be those people who are beyond rehabilitation - which he is - if you execute him, execute him because he's fucked in the head. Going after the miscarriages is like arresting an assassin for breaking and entering, but ignoring the murder.

@DePhoegonIsle 11 жыл бұрын

No, my logic is, that they are going to be in prison the rest of their life with no chance of parol, & do nothing but drain on society, with zero chance to be able & turn their life around. The part that makes people a monster is when they go on and want them to be tortured for the rest of their life, so that person can get smug & think about the pain that they are in for their own pleasure. My mentality is, "Why the bloody fuck should we waste resources on people who'll never be free again."

@Locrian08 11 жыл бұрын

Torture warrants the death penalty or mandatory life in prison. There's no paying a debt to society. We're never safe if torturers are released back into society.

@DePhoegonIsle 11 жыл бұрын

Amusing considering our nation is spiraling into debt, & we have people who legitimately argue to rid the death penalty for those who have life in prison w/ no chance of parole, so we end up spending far more money on say a murder of 5 people, to keep them alive for decades all because people want a sense of 'revenge' instead of actually trying to make the country better. Glad to see you got your priorities in order, revenge over stability. *pats you on the head*

@pyrrho314 11 жыл бұрын

you have no idea if the brothers are involved.

@Henbot 11 жыл бұрын

Considering he was friends with everyone in the neighborhood. He clearly was very well versed in how to create a mask of his nature. You fear the roaring monster, but the quiet civilized one. Is the one you should be terrified of.

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Would you agree that a person with tourettes suffers some kind of brain damage? If yes, would you agree that the person with tourettes is a victim of brain damage? If yes, should we punish them for their actions? If you're answer is "No." to the first two, you are demonstrably wrong. If you're answer is "Yes." to the first two then you either want to punish them for brain damage which is not their own fault, OR you would want to help them recover (if possible) from such an affliction.

@abstractfacts 11 жыл бұрын

All of a sudden there is inconsistencies in all the latest TYT videos, new video editor?

@DiamondStylz 11 жыл бұрын

why do people think that prisoners give a fuck about another prisoners crime enough to punish them in jail? and what he is a bad ass in prisoner..and become one of the goons that run the joint that impregnates female prison guards...its not like it doesnt happen... yall just did a story about it

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

Explain why you think it's pathetic. These are the countries still using capital punishment. Afghanistan, Bahamas, Belarus, Botswana, China, Cuba, Egypt, Guatemala, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Lebanon, Malaysia Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Suriname, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tonga, United Arab Emirates, United States, Vietnam, Yemen. With the exception of Japan, NONE of those countries listed could be classed as civilised.

@XXNiCoLe2012XX 11 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine this. Those girls are gonna be tramitized forever. This story is so sad I really wish things like this never would happen in this world.

@activistapress 11 жыл бұрын

I think if you kill someone's unborn baby against their will it should be considered murder. You've literally killed a living and complex and unique organism that is on its way to be becoming a human being. There should be special laws for that. It should be murder. Now, If you want to say that if its WILLFUL/Consensual and that it is not a crime then okay...but this should definitely be a murder-like crime.

@klondike444 11 жыл бұрын

The reaction to this case shows that America will never, ever condone and will always punish torture. Oh, wait...

@PolemicContrarian 11 жыл бұрын

When did I once say that prison where he can be abused is the answer? What good will executing him do? Nothing. It just means the govt. has spent millions on doing it when it's cheaper and more humane to try and get him rehabilitated.

@Greg_Ulmer 11 жыл бұрын

justice and revenge only both entail that if you ascribe to "eye-for-eye" justice, which is revenge. It's making punishment (suffering) the point of justice, rather than actually accomplishing a PURPOSE (deterrence, rehabilitation, removing dangerous people from society). "eye-for-eye" justice is a popular belief, but it's arbitrary. Why should the government be doing something that isn't benefitting society? Why should they be doing something simply to cause suffering?

@Plainbear 11 жыл бұрын

Jail is not about punishment. Its about rehabilitation. Its the governement version of sending somebody to the corner for X amount of time so he can learn to calm down. Now, in some cases they will never get out because they cant go back to society. .

@AXSofHFDS 11 жыл бұрын

life can be the best punishment, death can be freedom.

@goldeyeblue 11 жыл бұрын

I agree, death for miscarriage is dangerous. So why not make laws to apply the death sentence for repeated rape, murder, or torture, based upon 100% forensic evidence. In this case we have rape, we have torture, and we have 110% evidence. Isn't rape or torture in some cases worse the death, the least he can get is a painful death in return.

@squeky267 11 жыл бұрын

Death is a punishment you only live once

@TheRealKBJ 11 жыл бұрын

What's the point of punishment?

@Thecuriousincident1 11 жыл бұрын

Im so amazed these girls survived that beign starved for three weeks. Its just so horrific to imagine it, I feel like crying thinking about it. Those poor women who were just girls at the time they were captured.

@EclipseClemens 11 жыл бұрын

Can anyone else not understand why putting someone in a cardboard box and closing it on them is bad? I mean, push on the box? My cat can escape from a closed cardboard box, why can't a grown-ass woman? I'm not saying it's right to put people in boxes, but is that really something that should make the list of top examples for this man being awful?