Arknights should fix its pity system because worst-case scenarios destroy whales and gate F2P's out of desired ops despite saving for months. You should be guaranteed to get the on-banner limited within 3 6-stars. That way only the max pot gremlins would have to suffer, and they already know what they're getting into.

Kukki pulls said otherwise. Ngl but gacha it just rng. If u think rate up in AK is bad, try BA.

If every limited banner works exactly like 120 pity count on Collab banner (one time only guaranteed, doesn't apply for dupes), things would be better.

Yes, they should give us guaranteed in 100 or 150 pulls So it won't feel like a scam

After watching this pull session, I feel very fortunate to get both 6 star operators after 120 pulls. Just 1 copy of each and I'm happy.

real 100% rate, of the desired 6* with some of them back to back 6*

kukki pov : 4 6* back to back 3 6* back to back😊 Vifer pov: 2 blue bags back to back😂

wait until the statistics lineup and our boi kukki gets a really dry season in regards to summons

I can attest to this... Got lucky with NTR who was my first limited... Didn't have luck with Gavial... Lucky again with Spectre... And now with Mumu...

That is how averages work, yes.

@@ChaosMind10531 This was my first time getting the two rate up characters in 30 pulls. Every single rate up before that took at least 60 pulls. Ling and Yato made me go around 150

@@mango-float wait... Doesn't Yato have hard cap at 120???

@@ChaosMind10531 I got yato guaranteed and ling took more I what I mean

Suit diff 💀

Vifer should borrow Kukki's lucky toes.

​@@alvianekka80that sounds cursed

@@MotivationExceeds At least it isn't as bad as how the suit scammed so many people xdddd

Generosity like you said does indeed come in many forms and I'd like to add a few more that I think are really great like how easy it is to get f2p renewable orundum which are hassle free and comes from dailes, weeklies, and annihilation. And higher summon rates (very common to get a 6* on your first 10-20 or multiple 6* when doing 50 - 100 pulls). But I do think on limited banners having units like Muelsyes share a 70% is kinda rough and needing to spark for 300 if your luck is bad.

generous compared to other gachas, they're still scammers, specially that rate up shit and now that they have the reason to make you pull for 300 pulls, it's even more obvious now.

@@julz19 I understand the frustration of not being lucky and having no other option but to spark, but calling them scammers is uncalled for when they outright give everyone 22 pulls every limited event when they dont need to. They release units with potentials that aren't really impactful so you dont have to spend your entire wallet to get a maxed character, and thank god there is no weapons banner that are designed to be used with the new unit to push you into pulling for that too in order to get the complete and full experience of that new unit's gameplay experience. Sparking after 300 pulls does not happen a lot, it's a guarantee for the very unlucky, and in my almost 4 years of playing I never needed to spark nor did any person I know. But part of it's main usage and even the most common use is to spark a past limited unit that you missed on instead of being forced to keep pulling till one of the old limiteds pop up.

6 star tokens should be more common as a fix for this. Also, sparking in limited banners should go to around 200. Nowadays we still have 300, which was the number when we used to have less limited banners per year.

Thats just cope. When i started - i had half a year without a single rate-up unit i wanted, and id rather not get all those offbanners at all. Most of my 6* are from ~60 pity as well. Arknights isnt generous nor in currency income, nor in the rates.

While in Blue archive, Nikke and Princess connect re:dive JP sparks at 200. Arknights still sparks limited character at 300. WTF?

@@BinhGachaLover Arknights has the increment in 6* probability after reaching the 50 pulls without 6*, so that definitely makes up for it. Plus again, you get way more currency to pull in Arknights.

​@@BinhGachaLoverfarmable gacha currency😎👍. As an f2p, I really like this system. I have nearly all 6* ops even though I only pulled on limited banners. I do understand the problem of the whales tho.

​​@@igualdableas someone who plays Blue Archive and Arknights (recently got into Nikke as well but can't judge it yet), I can say for certain that Blue Archive gives way more gacha currency to the point that I can easily save up 200 between limited banners while still rolling 50-100 on my favs inbetween. (In general BA gives 100 pulls per month for active f2p player, sometimes more as freebies) In Arknights as f2p it's impossible to get to 300 pulls between limited banners even if you purely saving up and don't pull for anything. Also 3% in BA means in general you get 3 max rarity students in 100 pulls, while in Arknights you technically get 1 per 50-60 pulls. In NIKKE you even have 4% but I don't know how much gacha currency you usually get there yet. Also about sparks. In BA your spark is 200 on every simultaneously running banners, not only limited ones. Sadly that spark resets when those banners go away. Nikke tho has 200 spark that stays. So basically you can pull 200 on any featured banner and then when some limited or pilgrim comes around, you can just buy them without rolling. Nikke also has some farmable thingies that when you open it, you have 60% or so to open a max rarity unit. So yeah, in general, although AK system is not bad compared to some other gachas, it has nothing on BA and Nikke.

As an ex FGO player I really rather have more characters even if they aren't rate up, more options makes the game more enjoyable for me

@@bockscar916 me with 6 month grind but didn't get a shit

@@bockscar916 becareful Arknights fans are the LAST people to tell your game criticism to You will probably get spammed with bunch of replies saying how HG cured cancer after enough time lmao

Took me 290 to get a Mumu, I understand if you want to back away, but there's always hope... Backing away might be wiser, but there's always a chance

people always walk away RIGHT BEFORE they win it big!! DONT STOP BELIEVING

same I think I'll just get specter alt instead

That's a terrible Idea, anyone pulling for the none limited character instead would get fucked, best thing they can do is lower the spark.

@@theFrozenfires No, it's not terrible. You do realize you can get non limited from spook right? Limited you have to wait a year and only sparkable unless you get insane luck and pull low rate. Getting limited is FAR more important than get non limited on the actual banner. You will eventually random pull non limited, or buy in cert shop.

I got my mumu in the double mumu and 1 holo together pulls via ten pulls (190 pulls in total). Such a headache. My holo altogether P4 for God sake. I dont know anymore is this considered lucky or not. But for mumu, i had to pull for almost 200. PAINN....

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 imagine this, you're an f2p who only wants the none limited bc it's more meta or whatever, so what do you do? better skip the banner, or, you're a whale who wants p6 both characters, or just want p6 the none limited bc you like that character more, what do you do then? There's such a high chance you're gonna end up with p12 of the limited trying to P6 the other one. it's total rubbish. That's a huge fuck you the whales, and you don't want whales leaving your game if you're a gacha dev.

​@@theFrozenfiresyes, lower the spark is better idea. In that case f2p could participate on 3 limited banners per year instead of 2.

Good work 👍

How much did he pay u

One of the biggest issues of making changes to the gacha system of a game is how to deal with all retroactive pulls done by every account that fit in the new system, bascially compensation.

@@MiikiSama No need for compensation.

Or at least make a proper limited banner reruns. I'm okay with the current difficulty rate of getting a limited 6*. But please at least give players better chances to get them. Making the exact banner as a one time occurance only then putting the limited character in the shared secondary rate up pool on the next limited banners is pure evil. Like, if you miss someone like Dusk or Nian, the most realistic way to get them is only through pity. Getting them from the secondary rate up is too unreliable. And seeing from this pov, Arknights gacha is not F2P friendly at all. Like, I don't have W. And as a F2P, I will stay W-less forever unless I'm really lucky as getting her is harder than getting the rate up 6* in the banner.

@@justawanderingoldman7699 texas alter was my luckiest banner i got 3 texas 1 penance 1 w 1 rosmontis 1 skalter . Same with lone trail banner i got 0 savings yet got both new 6 stars + a specter alter potential . I only missed 2 limited one of them is yato which i just used the free ten pulls and didnt even play after that , other is chalter 296 pulls with no limited , so far the bad luck happened only once but even so i cant get chalter anymore . I think they should make it so we cant get potentials for the non limited till we get the limited and the whole problem will be gone without much change . also if you only pull for limiteds you can most likely guarentee all of them but then not pulling for your favorite operators and saving for months isnt that fun

The issue is how to make money. Unlike Genshin who rakes in crazy money every banner. Arknights banner follow a particular pattern, very low amount of money made in non limited banner (despite how good the characters are or how famous they are) and get a decent spike on limited. It is in their best interests to keep things the way they are. That's why it looks like they are reluctant to make changes to the limited banner system while makes huge changes in standard banner systems. It is their main money maker

Damn that's....

@@lingerlights Yeah that's rough, can't be helped

51 roll and all dupe 3 6 start not in banner🗿

@@_LePhi Oh my bad, at least you still got some saving ?

@@Beh672 yeah. Now i have 40 roll💀 not hope in this banner.

Nah bro. I feel the same. The lack of proper rerun here is the real problem for me.

getting 300 pulls between limiteds isnt that hard actually its just you cant pull for operators you like just to get the limited . i only lost chalter i couldnt get her with 296 pulls the only reason was i used 120 pulls on non limiteds if i had saved for chalter i would have all the limiteds i have seen . still some people wants to pull for other ops too , best way to solve this would be not getting dupes for the non limiteds till you get the limited also giving you guarentee for the limited after 3 off banner 6 stars . this would help people keep some pulls for non limited banners as well which means a dedicated f2p player can get all the operators eventually

​@@ConexCX no, 300 is very hard, even with monthly pass, impossible without it Well, if all you do is grind rocks to get miniscule gacha currency, then yes, maybe it is possible But no reasonable person gonna do that I don't waste pulls between limited and at most can go up to 200 with the help of yellow certs. Spark should definitely be lowered to 200 and I'd prefer previous limited to run simultaneously with shared spark. So now we have Spalter, Skalter and NTR, why not just give them all their own banner?

​@@arthorias06 saving 300 pulls is really not that hard i do it almost everytime with no grind, saving 300 pulls just needs you to farm the events and use recruitment for yellow certs if you dont pull for non limited banners then till the anniv you get 300 pulls, this is what i do since i started arknights and i got 300 pulls almost everytime the only problem with this is you cant pull for other ops such as how i needed to skip ines a character i wanted since the darknights event just to get the limited , i got all my limited banner results in my notepad i got all the limited so far with all my pulls being atleast 273 with only exception being lonetrail which i still got Mumu with no savings i litellary got her only from the free pulls (82 pulls only gained trough anniv) still lowering sparks to 200 would be really nice it would mean i could keep around 100 pulls in my pocket and use it for non limiteds

not to mention i did 605 pulls on texas alter banner also in between limited there was non limiteds i pulled for wasting around 60 pulls with them i could get 300 on every limited banner but again you are not wrong because if they dont change the limited banners i wont get a lot of non limited ops i really want (goldenglow,Ines,Mlynar,Blaze,Exusia,Archetto,Pallas,Lin,Fiammetta,Horn) this are just some ops i couldnt get for the sake of limiteds after years of playing

@@bockscar916 No sweep is definitely annoying also. Though I guess I did put up with FGO for a time, which didn't have even an auto function. I think the currency rates and banner rates were fine for before the limited banners were introduced. 50-60 ish pulls for a pity 6 star with an accumulation rate that rolled over between banners was really not too awful. You only had 50% chance of the rate up, but they were added to the general pool so they could spook you later and worst case scenario you could yellow cert buy them long down the line. It's mostly the limited banners that fucked everything. The pity accumulation doesn't roll over between limited and non limited, so idly pulling on interesting nonlimited banners fucks you over now. Then the 300 spark cap is insanely high for the rate at which currency is earned. Limiteds aren't ever rerun again either, making them hyper scarce and brutal to get if you missed them. Then they always are on split rate up so the odds of getting the limited are less than for a regular nonlimited banner. But an occasional limited banner as a special thing was fine, like W being the first. But now it's like half the new banners are limited banners. It's really gotten pretty bad at this point. Literally I used to have an ocean of currency and felt safe pulling for most banners, then one specter alter banner fucked me so hard that I had to hard pity for her and I've literally neve recovered and I missed both Chongyue and now Mumu.

160 pull with 3 ebenholz

For me, this is my second worse. The first is still the first Nian Banner.

My friend pulled 250 pulls and he still got no mumu meanwhile i get both mumu and ho ol under 60 pull.

it took me 320 pulls for a single mumu. All i got was max pot snek and a irene. Well at least i didnt have to spark for mumu i guess.....

220 pull no Mumu, P6 Hool :) (wtdrh)

yeah it works like genshin banner i guess

@@rottenfanger I don't play that many gacha, so it could be pretty standard I guess 😅

@@psy__ It isn't standard but it's something hoyoverse has in genshin and honkai, and hopefully more companies will copy since hoyo is the industry leader. Most japanese gacha systems are still big fat dogshit though

@@psy__ It's relatively common, but not standard. Path to Nowhere, which started as an Arknights clone uses this system, despite sharing AK's relatively high pull rates. Worth noting however is that in AK, unlike 99% of gachas, you only need 1 copy of a character for 95% of their power. It's (statistically) still easier to get a rate up character in AK than it is in Genshin, for example, even when you factor in the guarantee, but in Genshin you also need 7 copies of a 4 star for them to be decent, and usually prefer at least 1-2 copies of a 5 star for them to realize their potential.

true, thats better system. even if you get 2 6 stars, you got the limited first then you get off banner, youre now guaranteed again and it carries in the next limited banner. unlike the other system like the guarantee is in 200 pulls in worst case, meanwhile 50 50 with pity like for example within 70-90 for 6 star, that 200 pull can get you guarantee in 180 pulls in worst case with 20 pulls excess.

Which is why the kernel headhunting is introduced. It is both good and bad. The good, the new banner pools are not diluted with older operators. The bad news, if you want the older operators, you have to attempt the kernel headhunting (and miss the chance of getting newer operators) But overall, it means now that Banner is more target specific than before. Givibg player better control

nah no way gummy cursed your account

310 pulls and 4 snake lady and no mumu 🥲

303 pulls, 5 snek, no elf

Did a final desperate 30 pulls and got mumu 🙏

The off-banner limiteds don't eat into the on-banner pool though, they're just available (and weighted higher) in the 30% off-rate pool. On-rate is the same 35%-35% split as always.

There's this one time, i got 3 6 star back to back, but non are the limited banner, but my rule on playing gatcha is that have no expectation

Haha you should have seen me get 6 KALTSITS BACK TO BACK under 100 pulls in first skalter banner, and no other 6 stars. That was prime cursed luck for me

A bit of correction, 50 pulls isn't a soft pity line. When you do 50 pulls without getting a 6 star, the 6 star rates will go up gradually for each pull you do after the 50th pull. So if you are REALLY unlucky, then 100 pulls are the exact soft pity number (as the 6 star rate reaches 100% on the 100th pulls). Personally, my worst record for a 6 star was 71 pulls. It was for Mudrock if I'm not wrong.

120 not 150 and we do have guarantee system. You guarantee get 6* if you can't get any after 60 pulls and that it. Beside collab don't have spark system so there is no point adding both system on limited banner

​@@m_imran7957No. With how Arknights for some reason doesn't want to rerun older limited character, having the 120 guaranteed style and spark together is not that redundant as people might want to spark for older limiteds instead. And whales might still want to use the spark system for more potentials. I think this is good enough since Arknights limited banner always have two 6* in it and getting limited character is not that easy.

​@@m_imran7957 what are you yapping all about We have spark for limited at 300, collab banners have basically a spark but at 120 I assume op meant that we need spark for limited to be lowered but idk

Blitz and Frost were also guaranteed, just like Noir Corne on the last collab banner.

@@devotedhoshiyomi tell that to my 200 pulls, didn't get them.

It's always nice to meet fellow fgo player, all I get is CE I don't use

But at least when you get an SSR, it most likely the rate up character. And since they got rid the shared banner, the chance are higher. Meanwhile, limited character in Arknights are always in a shared banner. We, FGO players, should have know how nasty shared banner works. And in FGO, they have regular rerun. Even if it took a year, it WILL come back. But in Arknights, limited banners never have a proper rerun. FGO is a pure gacha hell. It gives few free stuff for veteran players and the chance of getting SSR is low. But it is blunt on it. Meanwhile, Arknights looks generous on the outside but for limited banners, it's a big gacha trap. I'm speaking as a nearly 7 years old master in FGO and an on release date player in Arknights. And I can say that despite of how bad the gacha rate in FGO, I hit more rate ups in it than in Arknights, where I keep getting off banners 6*. I'm looking at you, my pot 8 Exusiai who I got purely from off banners...

@@justawanderingoldman7699 I'm pretty sure Arknights has double the rates for 6 stars (vs 5 stars) with scaling pity past 50 rolls, whereas FGO only has the hard pity at 330 rolls. Which for Limited Banners Arknights matches 300 rolls gives you the headhunting Pity. With the free 11th rolls, their hard pity is at the same point, but SQ is far harder to get than Orundum. But then I'm not a day one player and still haven't gotten all the SSR's and 6 stars so if I get any I'm still pleased. EDIT: That isn't even mentioning the guaranteed 5 star in the first ten rolls, can you image if FGO matched that with a guaranteed 4 star servant in 10 rolls?

@@doubleoz1 I don't roll unless I have enough for pity in FGO.

I did 100 pulls and only got specture alter and hool

This sounds like cap. But maybe you have godtier luck

​@@thelegacyofgaming2928i mean i once got uncle+gg+reed alter+qiubai on 60pulls on qiubai banner

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 want some screenshots?

An argument from someone who have played FGO for nearly 7 years now: Yes. SSR rate in FGO is cruel. But the rate up itself straight up better than Arknights. The overall SSR rate in FGO is 1%. But the rate up value is 80%. So if you land a hit on the 1%, you have 80% chance to get the rate up character. Meanwhile, Arknights has 3% overall chance for a 6 star. Limited banner in Arknights has solid 70% rate up chance, BUT IT'S A SHARED BANNER. So as Vifer said, the chance of getting the limited unit when you hit the 3% is just 35%. Of course, if you do the math, then overall chance of getting a rate up character in FGO vs Arknights is 0.8% vs 1.05%. But it doesn't mean that getting a limited character is straight up easier. For gacha players, getting the highest rarity unit doesn't really matter. Getting the rate up characters is the main target. I speak from my experience. I'm completely F2P on both Arknights and FGO. In FGO, I have around 35 SSR and only 7 of them are off rate up characters. Meanwhile, I have more 6 stars characters in Arknights in total (potential included), but the amount of off rate up characters are also insanely high. I have more stuff, but most of them are unwanted stuff. Like, my Exusiai reached potential 6 just from off rate up pulls alone, and I still got 2 more of her as off rate up pulls after that. And it just Exusiai. I forgot the amount of off rate up Angelinas, Nightingales, Shinings, and other characters. And I'm not counting the non limited character that shared their banner with limited character. Like my current condition for example. I did around 100 pulls in Arknights, and I only got 3 Ho'ol that I don't even want. Meanwhile, last time I went crazy in FGO gacha was when Avalon le Fae chapter came out. I spent A LOT of my saving, and I got 3 Morgans in her rate up banner. Yes, spent more pulls on FGO to get my Morgan. But I did get 3 of her. Meanwhile, I did spent less pulls on Arknights, but I got exactly 0 character that I want. And to make it worse, Arknights doesn't do any rerun banner. So the chance of me getting Mumu is just lower than ever if I fail here. Meanwhile, I still have plenty of same chances in FGO as they keep doing banner reruns. So I don't need to be that desperate if I miss some character that I want I've written this somewhere in a reply section here. Arknights overall gacha system is generous. Far more generous than FGO. But the way Arknights handle limited banners is one of the worst compared to other gacha games. And for me personally, the lack of legit limited banners rerun is the main reason of why. I don't mind with the 35% chance of limiteds if I can have more chance to go for it Edit: CORRECTION. Arknights 6 star rate is 2%, not 3%. So if we use statistic math, the chance of getting a limited operator on limited banner is 2 x 35% = 0.7%. Which IS lower than FGO 0.8% rate for a rate up character. So as I said, Arknights IS INDEED more generous for a single standard rate up banner with the 2% 6 star chance and 50% rate up, which in total 1% overall chance for rate up character. But getting a limited character in Arknights is actually harder than in FGO itself.

Also, there were SO MANY streams/vids of the absolutely dog piss RNG that it seems like this affected almost everyone. This kinda crap pulls was more the norm than the exception, just further fueling the salt.

You should watch Kyostins Virtuosa pulls. He didn't get p6 virutuosa with 1 set of tokens in 600 pulls. Took him like 750.

Seems bit much to quit over, especially when the Gacha for a 6* in general in Arknight is quite generous. The only problem is specifically the Limited Banners and getting the specific operators.

​@@Zack_Zander"in general" is the key words here. Yes, in general, 6* characters are still managable to get. But for limited character, it's WAY too different. In Arknights, missing a limited character means goodbye forever unless you save a ton for the pity or having a really good luck. Arknights doesn't have a proper limited banner rerun after all. And personally, this is enough for people to quit if they fail. Especially when the character is what they want the most. After all, I nearly quit when I kept failing on getting Skalter on her banner. And now I'm on the verge on quitting too after I keep getting Ho'ol and no Mumu. I already hate Ho'ol from the Dorothy event. And now I despise her even more. Yes, there is an argument that I should have save up for the pity. But here, in Arknights, it's hard to do so. There are quite a lot of limited banners without rerun, yet the source of the gacha currency is not really enough to at least cover 2 of them in a year. So unless you skip all and focus on one banner, getting the pity is hard. And it's hard for F2P. Yes, I can just use my current team for everything and save up. But there are people like me who get bored easily unless we have new "toys" to play with after some times. So saving for a year is a recipe of early retirement for us.

@@Zack_Zander insensitive remarks like yours are the reason people double down on quitting. The limited banner system is bad, plain as day. I've been saying this since to my veteran online friends who play this. I first started playing this last year. It's too similar to FGO (which I just recently quit) and we know how horrible FGO's gacha is. Even if I got lucky this limited, but I've also been in the other spectrum where I got shafted unreasonably and it's downright horrible.

That would be godsend, yeah. Unfortunately this is what we have atm; that kind of pity only exist for normal single banner (150 pulls, btw) right now. Limited banner pity is practically at 300 (by sparking). Welp, it's better than nothing, but...

As an fgo player I’m immune to feeling hopeless against high pity

160 pull for 3 ebenholz I can't

i get mumu and ho ol under 60 pulls meanwhile my friend already did 250 pull and he still aint got mumu 😢.

true, that system is good unlike other gacha that has no pity and has fixed guarantee to 200-300 pulls. meanwhile that 200 pulls in hoyo system you can get the guarantee 180 pulls in worst case with excess of 20 pulls. even if you lose the 50 50, the guarantee can carried over to the next limited. still a win regardless.

Pulls are not valued the same from one gacha to another. It's still faster (and cheaper if you're a spender) to spark in AK than it is to hard pity in a Mihoyo game despite the objective quantitative difference in total pulls. Pull income is twice as generous in AK as it is in Genshin and Honkai 3rd (though not Star Rail, thankfully). The pulls are also worth more in AK due to the rates being over 3 times higher, no supplemental banners (weapons, lightcones, stigmatas, ELFs, etc.), and the rewards for misses being a LOT stronger in AK than in every hoyoverse game. I didn't get Mumu AT ALL within 300 pulls. It suuuuuuuuuucked...BUT I also pulled 14 other 6 stars, 6 of which were past limited ops. If I put 300 pulls into Genshin or Star Rail, statistically speaking I will see 5 characters 2 of which were rate up. And unless they were all copies of the same character or 25-50% of those pulls instead go to their signature weapon, none of them will be that strong.

May I offer a little suggestion for the other side as well? Just a little of my opinion to make you stay playing ak, 1. I think we still need to consider how low the gacha percentage in mihoyo game, 0.6% for the character and secondary power up dupe/constelation/eidolon/etc also ssr like weapon/lc etc, while arknights has 2% just for the character, and there's a chance to get a ssr you want by *6 selector ticket, something that currently does not exist in the mihoyo game 2. not to mention it's easier for arknights to farm gacha currency like orundum on annihilation and base (granted it may takes time and some say not worth it but the option still there), rather than wait for daily or possibly malding to clear hard mihoyo stage like abyss/chaos, 3. lastly and do take a grain of salt with it it, is how the dev treat the player, it does not guarantee that zzz will give a generous reward like star rail, worst case we may even get the genshin anniv treatment, while it's well known for arknights dev respect the fanbase and give a lot of reward to the player

@@ThePhilosogamer Ahh you beat me to it, but it's nice to have someone that think alike

Yeah in Hoyo games you would have probably received 1 limited and 2 standard banners xP

honestly bro I feel like it's easier to get a 5* I want in star rail compared to a specific limited 6* in ak,might just be my own experience though

@@breadman8100 I've been lucky going f2p after 1 year. Pretty much got everyone I wanted except some pretty disastrous limited banners

You should have re-rolled for her 🫡 especially since you just started the game. Luckily for you she isn’t limited so she’ll be on just about every banner from here on out.

Yeah 300 is too intimidating, especially if they run limited almost back to back

It's all RNG brother. My main got Saileach + Mumu in 70 pulls while my secondary account got Skadi alter and 2x Mumu in 30 pulls. I've done the 200-250 pull range to get a single Reed alter and Ines during their debut banners. Gotta take the Ws and the Ls