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So while I agree with the intention of your video, I don't believe your answer will necessarily resolve the issue. Firstly, we need to remember that the Pokemon Company is owned by Big N, Game Freak (the developers of mainline Pokemon) and a third company called Creatures. They all have an equal share and an equal call (though Big N owns shares in Creatures too I believe), so we can't just say that the games need to be divided between multiple studios, as that is Game Freak's bread and butter (their share in the company and their primary revenue source). Big N and Creatures would basically have to try and turn against their 1/3 partner, which is a big ask (especially given the profitability of the games). Rather, I think pressure needs to be placed on Game Freak (as well as potentially some capital invested) to greatly expand their staff. Depending on the source you are looking at, GF has anywhere between 130-200 employees (in total). That is barely enough for a single game, let alone multiples. No amount o spin-offs or whatever can overcome that limiting factor. Instead, they need to create several independent teams within the company with full staffs of their own and assign each of them their own role in the Pokemon game franchise. Consider this: GF expands their roster from sub 200 to around 600 developers (not counting management and associated employees) and they are divided into 6 equal sized teams. Let's call the teams X, Y, A, B, C, and P. Each team is then assigned a development role within the greater Pokemon mainline framework. X and Y will work exclusively on mainline. A will work remakes B will work on let's say Let's Go titles (for argument's sake) and C will work on Legends. Finally, team P will work as a support team for testing, additional last-minute touch ups and also working on DLC. Now it would be impossible to just begin this overnight, but let's say they can get this going by Gen 11. Here is how that would look in terms of releases: Year 1: Team X releases Gen 11 in Fall. Year 2: Team P releases first Gen 11 DLC in Spring. Year 2: Team A releases a Gen 5 Remake in Fall. Year 3: Team P releases Gen 11 DLC 2 in Spring. Year 3: Team B releases Legends Johto in Fall. Year 4: Team Y released Gen 12 in Fall. Year 5: Team P releases Gen 12 DLC 1 in Spring. Year 5: Team C releases Let's Go Johto in Fall. Year 6: Team P releases Gen 12 DLC 2 in Spring. Year 6: Team A releases Gen 6 Remake in Fall. Year 7: Team X releases Gen 13 in Fall. Year 8: Team P releases Gen 13 DLC 1 in Spring. Year 8: Team B releases Legends Hoen in Fall. Year 9: Team P releases Gen 13 DLC 2 in Spring. Year 9: Team C releases Let's Go Hoen in Fall. Year 10: Team Y releases Gen 14 in Fall. This model would allow for not only yearly releases, but an extended mainline dlc release, resulting in there being sales throughout the year to equal up to what we are seeing currently. Also, the releases vary so there is not as much chance for burnout. More importantly though, if you look at the above you'll see that this would GREATLY extend the development time, without impacting the 3 year generation structure, or the yearly release schedule. We see that Team X has a 5-6 year development cycle between games, while the lesser teams (ABC) have about 4 years for their windows. The only team that would need to release annually is Team P, but DLC is much easier to dev since all the assets are basically made and the size of the project is greatly reduced. Further, I think the fans would be fine with delaying the DLC if those parts were a bit beafier, which extended releases would allow for. The issue of course is money. To my understanding GW does not get significant developmental support from their partners. They make all their money from the shares they get from the PMon company and from the sales of the games, meaning that if they have to greatly increase their overhead they won't necessarily get any more money to offset it. To me, this means that Big N either needs to step in with a sizeable investment package, or (more likely) the profit-sharing model needs to be reimagined between the 3 parties that make up the Pokemon Company. That all said, they could also increase the overall revenue if they did summer spin-offs (like Snap and Mystery Dungeon) and partition some of that towards GF to offset their own expenses.

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Actually a "classic Pokemon top down' isn't a bad idea

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Well yes. But the games are not what makes them that amount of money. So the way they see it... everything else (what makes them money) is more important. Sadly

no shit?

@@tumultuousvwhere are you getting this data from? I’ve heard this argument from a lot of poke fanatics. The games sell an obscene amount of copies. More than most triple a studios could dream of selling.

​@@Evenmorestevenand yet the 17 billion dollars they've grossed from game sales is still dwarfed by the 64 billion they've made in merchandise

​@@tartagliax804that's an awfully lot of words just to say "agreed"

I'd say that formula is piggybacking on the fact that it's a beloved franchise with a reputation that took decades to build. If they continue staining that reputation it will inevitably go down in some years, not enough to kill it but enough to hurt the pockets of the suits. It's like what's been happening with Marvel and Disney, people are starting to push against formulaic and mediocre action and woke films by not going to the theater or watching the shows on streaming either.

​@@ICharlylthen when that point hits (IF it even does, it will take years and years), they can simply pump out one good game and they would get EVERYONE back. hell look at cyberpunk. they dropped one of the worst products of all time to the point where they had to PULL it from stores, and here we are now with everyone super hyped for the DLC even though NOT ONE THING has released between the two. everyone got won over by an anime that has nothing to do with it. Pokemon will be fine.

Late-stage capitalism at its finest for the most valuable brand in the world

@@ICharlylImagine unironically using the word woke.

​@@ICharlyl "woke" and just like that you've lost me

Not really. You have to consider that Zelda has the benefit of being able to be delayed. Zelda had a development cycle of 5-6 years. Pokemon has so much other stuff that revolve around each new generation. The Card game, merchandise, apparel, toys, the animated show, etc. They have to buy ad space for many of these in advance not to mention the promotional marketing, etc. I am not justifying or excusing this. But that's currently the reality of the situation regarding Pokemon being so big. It's a multimedia behemoth so even if Game Freak wanted to delay and take their time? They can't because there is so much other stuff tied up and around each new generation. That's why the Pokemon Co. was created in the first place to manage the brand. Zelda can take 5-6 years because it can. Pokemon? I wouldn't be opposed to a longer development cycle. But Scarlet and Violet alone had 3 years of development which is frankly crazy to build any open world game in 3 years time. That's unsustainable.

@@Linkman247they have MORE than enough Pokémon to make a show and card series around a rotation of Pokémon that are already out and underutilized. There’s no reason they NEED a new generation to make a new season of the show or more cards… charizard cards prove this theory pretty well. They could pump out gen 1 and 2 based merch and toys for eternity and sell their balls off. Pikachu charizard and the gen 1 starters are still EVERYWHERE… they have over 900 underutilized Pokémon

@@V8chump I mean they are already releasing a 151 set with the original 151 including Kadabra after 20 years. You argue they could make sets for underutilized pokemon...but that's kind of the point of releasing sets to coincide with a new generation. These sets often highlight many of the new pokemon. That's why you have cards featuring the likes of Scovillain, Spidops, etc. So let's say they focus on the previous generations? Where are the cards for the new generation then? You typically have a base set for a given generation with sub sets/special sets. Crown Zenith in particular featured many art gallery cards featuring the likes of....Charizard, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Zeraora, Bidoof, and many more. And Charizard isn't the heavy hitter people think it is. Sometimes you have a Charizard that goes super high in price. The Charizard/Venusaur V card from Brilliant stars for example. Other times you have charizard cards that maybe only fetch $5 or so. Zacian V in Crown Zenith actually is worth more than Charizard. Meanwhile trainer Irida is worth $17 or so. Glaceon V Star is worth $18 or so. Leafeon V Star is $22 or so. Arceus V Star? The Ultra rare? $64 Giratina $84 So again Charizard is a draw to be sure. But there are cards that dwarf some Charizard cards (that look great imo) in terms of their value. As far as the show is concerned? Part of what keeps the show going and driving the show is seeing the characters explore a new region with new pokemon. That's part of what has allowed the series to persist for 20+ years. If all they did was continue to recycle old Pokemon? I'd wager interest in the show would have fallen off long ago. That's why I said the games, the show, and the TCG are so interconnected that it's not like Zelda where they can just delay a game and spend 6 years on a game. There is a new TCG set that comes out about every three months. We could argue that they could space these out more. Part of what killed Hearthstone was too many new sets too quickly. But physical cards are a bit different. People are still collecting brilliant stars, silver tempest, etc. Paldea evolved, and what have you will continue to be collected for a while. I'm not sure what the answer is. But I would like to see things spaced out a bit more as I am sure most people would.

... By re-releasing the same game twice? BOTW and TOTK aren't really _that_ differen't. They just added stuff - it's pretty lazy, honestly.

Don't forget super Mario Bros wonder! That game as long didn't have a deadline!

And it was also uglier than the original game. Like aside some upgrades in the underground - it was literally worse than the originals. Especially as it totally missed all the stuff Platinum added, it straight up continued the move-exit within the games, where you have Sinnoh Pokemon missing the moves they had in original games. And it's just ugly AF.

The DPP era is absolutely my favorite Pokémon era, and I didn’t buy BDSP. I wouldn’t touch a ‘BDSP style’ Pokémon game with a 10 foot pole plus a glove

Until Gen 8, Gen 4 was the most in need of a remake because the region design, sleepy music, and poor planning of Pokemon availability really hurts on replays.

@austini.5262 No major game company is likely to keep their source code. What is most likely is that after not having the source code on hand, they found one of the many sources of the available decompiles that are available on online. Pokemon is widely hacked and very deeply understood in almost every generation. There are a fuckload of resources out there for Pokemon.

​​@austini.5262considering how it's made in unity, i doubt they'd be able to use much of the original code, if they based their rewritten code on the original it could explain it

Where did they aknowledge it?

​@@user-wu5zx7tk1bnintendo released a statement on it iirc

The probably went to fix their lack of employees either post DLC or during the DLC development

​@@user-wu5zx7tk1byou can't post linkson KZfaq because it'll think you're a bot. But they released a statement on their website and iirc in the news section of the poké portal.

@@user-wu5zx7tk1bif I remember correctly they were giving refunds to people that bought copies of Pokémon scarlet and violet.

The cards didn’t even line up with Gen 9 like before. Cards released couple months late like the anime

The shareholders do

@@thefonzpart it’s always been like that, heck some countries are several generations behind in the tcg!

I concur

The marketing department. (Screw 'em tbh)

Everytime I see a new pokémon design, I think how cool it would look in Mystery Dungeon. And then I cry.

@@alexcoffey8804 I hear ya man. The struggle is real!

A guy made a video saying what if we had a Black and White 3, in 2.5D in the style of Octopath Traveler and that idea is BRILLIANT

​@@ryannamecati came here from that video, and that idea could also work for a mystery dungeon game

Reminder part of the reason they sell poorly is that Most of the mystery dungeon games were rush jobs that people hated. The remake of one of the Good games was tainted by the reception of the previous ones

I think that, but look at Hogwarts Legacy, they hadn’t made a big game before. And yes it had issues, but still

Funny thing is the same team that made BDSP made One Piece Odyssey, Bandai Namco money and TIME to make the game helped that out, even though the game was easy.

BDSP sucks lol

I loved BDSP, I get the frustration with the removal of the platinum content but other than that they were really solid games. I also loved the Chibi arts style and preferred it over the N64 graphics that is Scarlet and Violet.

@@censoredquotes3518 Honestly when I forget that Platinum exists I think BDSP is actually pretty solid. I just expected more given that i've been a fan for SO long and I know they can do more.

Been saying omg DO A FALLOW YEAR for so long

it's what COD does. They have yearly releases but it's because they have 3+ studios handling the games and they release every 3-5 years. And each of those studios are 3 times the size of Gamefreak. They had the right idea with BDSP even if the execution fell on its face. Let Ilca and other studios handle spinoffs and even remakes. I don't mind Arlo's idea of making smaller games too, but that seems to be a proble 90% of AAA studios have todayy

@@raze2012_ That sounds nice in theory but BDSP was... Like that Pokémon has always had good spinoffs, far better than the main franchise, but fans have still demanded more and more main games and TPC won't miss the easy money

@@armintargaryen9216 That's part of the problem. Spinoffs could fill a void between mainline-releases, but they lack the wider appeal of the mainline games to really effectively tide people over until the next release. And when there is one that seems close enough to get there, like New Pokemon Snap I think... well, that's not really the kind of game you can just pump out every 2 or 3 years. They have the engine for it now, which certainly helps if they'd want to reuse it, and a decent amount of Pokemon, but graphically alone, the environments probably need quite some time. On to Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, the most successful game of that series would probably be the Explorers-games, and I think DX at least got a lot of attention, but I don't think to a degree where it'd tide people over, not to mention I think I remember hearing that they have trouble finding a developer to take over the series, don't know how things are standing there. Pokemon Ranger was great, but never really saw the same success I'm pretty sure, and nowadays there'd be the problem of how to even play the game, since the games were of course made with the DS' touchscreen in mind for its core gameplay, the Switch may have a touchscreen but it obviously can't be used docked, so aside from the same issue of "won't tide people over on its own", there's the gameplay-issue they'd first have to resolve. Pokemon Rumble was a fun thing, had multiple entries, but I'm pretty sure the WiiU-one that tried to make use of the NFC-reader before amiibo became a thing just sunk that series, they just had that f2p-one for the 3DS from there, but in general it also left most people uninterested. Pokemon Conquest has A LOT of potential, but it was a crossover with a relatively old Japanese series, and said crossover basically already drained most of what they could do with that series, so... unlikely, as much as it pains me to admit, the best we could maybe expect is a spiritual successor... but also, I don't think it did that well, especially in the west, hell, I think the only European countries it officially released in were the UK and the Netherlands, maybe also Belgium and Luxemburg. Pokken was quite successful and even had its place at worlds, but I'd assume they're probably waiting for the Switch 2 if they're even considering a new one. Also, of course made in collaboration with Bandai Namco, don't know if was the same team that's responsible for Tekken, in which case they're probably held up by the new Tekken-game, or if it may have been the same team that did New Pokemon Snap. Detective Pikachu has its 2nd game coming, the first one didn't do too well, I think, but the movie was a huge success, so we'll have to see how the 2nd game does before we can even really tell if it even has the potential to bridge a gap for most people. So yeah, Pokemon Spinoffs just are in a rough spot, that wasn't even all of them, but those were the most noteable ones imo and they just underline that one or two spinoffs a year probably won't be enough to tide people over a year without mainline games.

@@armintargaryen9216 well bdsp was an half-assed attempt

The first three generations were three years each. Gen 1 was _longer_ than that in Japan. It's the same thing as how the original Star Wars and the inferior prequel trilogy were spaced out with three years per movie. Disney insisted on churning out something like two movies and a TV series per year.

i am basically getting this DLC almost entirely to get more nemona arven and penny and see more of their stories, and i've had the sinking feeling since the first trailer that we will not be getting that nemona's rival for life and greatest treasure apparently just ditches her with no remorse without ever having gotten to genuinely hang out or train together in the postgame (a repeatable battle and one line of dialogue on loop do not count, even if the kids' room designs are super interesting) all in the name of Marketable New Stuff ... we'll probably get to do that in our new dorm in the indigo disc, but that's still not story, and they still won't show our old friends in any prerelease stuff. like... c'mon. their arcs were clearly not over yet. they and the 3 or so hours we got to adventure and bond/bicker together are the main reason people defend the game even though it's... like that. they should've at least been available as companions in postgame even if it didn't do anything. nemona had to run away alone to a freakin gacha game to get a happy ending that actually lasts rumors from leaks are they're barely in the DLC at all and basically forgettable. i don't... understand... i'm more obsessed with the injustice of it all than the jump in character writing quality itself at this point, never fixing the framerate is just an extra layer of "i wish you cared as much as i do"

​@@HamOfJustice They should just have more of an overarching story because the way the games are set up is perfect for introducing new content while still having a story. they probably did this so they can have new characters and having the old ones would just be too many. they should figure out a way to use them other than masters ex

Honestly, with how big farm sims like Stardew Valley, life sims like Animal Crossing, and even games with a solid gameplay loop, but also a tonne of side crap to do like Dave the Diver, have become in recent years, Game Freak really could stand to add some mechanics or interactions that really could extend the lifespan of a single Pokémon game, couldn't they? Even stuff like a robust house decoration and expanding side goal, or an in depth berry garden has potential to have people interested in doing that alone for hours, never mind the rest of the game.

You put it into words!

Honestly it's genuinely quite pathetic that something like that even needs to be a consideration.

If they could do something like Octopath traveler I feel people wouldn't mind.

@@MrSpy13011 hell hire the fucking studio that made the octopath traveler games to make an octopath esk pokemon game.. that would free up the pokemon team to have an extra year two work on the big 3d games.

They are already making ungodly money so they have no reason to improve

They’ve had an Team A-Team B system since I believe gen 3. They alternate releases which is how they did the old “main game, remakes, 3rd game” model.

This is pretty much how monster hunter work especially on making games for either the portable and home console which let them swap ideas and feature during development

Right? Where’s Lets go Teddiursa and Let’s go Hoothoot?

They did once so gamefreak can make more games B team was making pokemon

That would really fix much, all that would do is maybe save time on preproduction. We likely got Legends Arceus due the sheer amount of work bringing Sinnoh into full 3d on the scale of Galar would have taken and would put a limit to the amount of new pokemon.

They're not going to do this for new generation games. New regions are an easy win for marketing because it's much easier to entice people with a new location they've never explored before than one they've already explored. I would like to see new games in old regions, but that sort of thing is better as mid gen games to pad out the generation instead of the big flagship next gen game.

Or just give us one game with all the regions (a few to start and add more as we go). Just keep building with what’s already there, make it stable, charge for new region DLC with new stories (not remakes.)

@@glitchy000 They couldn't even make a good game with two regions. Even the remake barely fixed anything. A game with "EVERY REGION EVAR" would be a disaster.

@@glitchy000 All the regions might be a bit ambitious, but I have wondered why they've never pulled the second adventure card since Gen 2. If feels like an easy way to add more content if you just got done with whatever new or remake region you just played from the new game, and them Professor Tree says "I have this extra ticket to Kanto/Hoenn/Unova/any of the others." and most players would say "No. Freaking. Way. Did they just Johto Kanto us again?"

My brother said the same thing after the first time he played it lol

That one needed one more year at least in the oven but still was the best pokemon on the switch, in my opinion.

Arceus was the first time I enjoyed playing a pokemon game since gen 4 lol. Granted, I think black and white is awesome, I just didn't play them at the time. I was super sad when scarlet and violet didn't have the Pokeball throwing mechanic to just capture pokemon on the overworld.

Arceus was a good idea and had fun gameplay But it still needed 2+ years in development

I hope they don't bring back (fall) damage and don't force me to scroll through several mons to travel anywhere. They should have just let me assign them to a special button like the ride Pokemon. I took so much unnecessary fall damage because of jank selection and how quick you need to be with it. Also, give us more to do than catch Pokemon and research tasks.

I would cry tears of joy at an Explorers of Sky remake

@@kazenna pmd fans unite 😔✌️

What a world we live in, where 2 million sales is considered "poor" 🥲

​@@rewind_kitsunefor pokemon it is poor

considering how obscure shiren the wanderer style dungeon crawlers are, PMD's sales are actually mind-blowing lol

Yes! PokéPark is an underrated gem.

Pokepark.. now that's a name I haven't heard in a long long time.

Imagine how good a crossover like Pokémon Crossing would be

Pokémon Coliseum was one of my favorites on the N64.

I would commit a crime for a new Ranger

People who do put pride in their product aren't that rare. The problem is that investors are the ones calling the shots. Investors are not rational; they don't care anything about a company's long-term survival or reputation, only about number always go up and number keep going up faster. When they ends up destroying the company, they just shrug and move on to ruin the next company.

Late stage capitalism

@@Yellowc0ld More accurately, END stage capitalism.

Under the alternative system, there is no product at all. If you want improvement in quality, stop buying the games. This argument totally ignores the role of consumers in capitalism. It’s not going anywhere, but it will produce more or what you’re already buying.

@@anthonydavis5826 I agree. It is the customers who continue to pre-order games they know will be broken at launch. It's also the customers who buy tickets for terrible super hero movies. there's endless examples of stupid customers. Just wish they didn't ruin everything for the rest of us.

Ranger stopped selling well. Mystery Dungeon stopped selling well. Pokepark stopped selling well.

Pokémon GO made more money then every spin-off combined.

@@internetguy7319 Yeah. Modern Pokemon Company would rather not make anything at all than *only* sell 1.5 million copies.

New gens have an unfathomable amount of marketing that makes sure it's in everyone's heads at all times. The content of the games probably makes little difference when you throw that much media attention into the mix

Retro shooters have been killing it lately. Ultrakill and Dusk are both amazing games and are very loved. I think retro style Pokemon games would also do very well. Prodeus, Octopath, Sons of Valhalla, Sea of Stars, and Gungeon all use more modern techniques to add visual depth and eye candy and they all look fantastic. Retro Pokemon with some modern effects would look amazing. If they get some good art designers working on it, the end result might make me cry lol

Please no. Not another 2d/3d split mario and sonic does plz

Agreed

but then it just means they're gonna have to invest energy into another game, which would bring us back to where we started. the ideal is that they take two years to develop the next game and just stay low for one Christmas

As long as the subpar games make money, that'll never happen.

Or they can incorporate more of the quality of life issues from Legends into the main series with Gen 10 and then simply continue to refine them beyond that point. Legends can still exist, but be more focused on story rather than having particularly unique gameplay.

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Another thing not many people know about is that they kept losing employees over the years, despite Wikipedia, claiming otherwise. Don't trust the clowns at GameFreak about it

Small problem with your logic, Game Freak IS an indie studio when it comes to anything that isn't pokemon

@@marxxplaysgames That's like saying id Software is an indie studio when it comes to anything other than FPS. It doesn't count if your bread and butter isn't indie material.

The problem isn't one of manpower, for the most part, but of technical competence. Even during the gameboy days, these things were pretty glitchy. Iwata famously swooping in to make them a program to compress their data in Pokemon 2 has always been the go-to example. They're just not the best programmers in the world. As for the lack of things like in-door rooms in Scarlet or Sword's copy-pasta rooms.... you might think that's from a lack of artists, or designers, right? WRONG. So very wrong. It leads right back into the competence thing: making a room in a 3D game should not be that difficult. You write a happy simple little utility. It should take less effort for a map maker to make one of these rooms than it does for you to get your Animal Crossing room juuust right. If their tools suck or map data was made to be difficult to alter, it's because their developers suck. Everything is just numbers. The N64 tree has no excuse. Quality control issue. Take five seconds to unblurify your tree texture, guys.

​@@BMoser-bv6kn To add further fuel to fire with devoplers who left the compony saying the same things as we have been saying is not concerning Saying there is not enough devoplers Not enough time It will sell well no matter what It is tiring making the same thing over and over again So on and so forth

In my opinion they instead should go for a new and great story while also maintaining classic style and putting effort and TIME (multiple years) in developing it (also adding different difficulties would make wonders). For example, imagine how S/Vs story would have been much better if it focused on the 4 swords of ruin and their history and just that and not all of the garbage subplot of Titans and Team Star. But yeah that’s just an Utopia for me cause they will never make more mature stories since the majority of buyers are probably kids.

More employees is not the fix for a broken schedule. The more people you bring in, the worst the management of people gets. Theres a reason why the saying of “too many chefs in the kitchen” applies to every single industry. A healthy amount of people with a good schedule is what every game needs. We honestly don’t need 1000s of people working on a game like some other studios are doing

@@jesspeedthe whole point of corporation is that you hire more people on each level as you become a bigger franchise. A lot of employees are difficult to handle? Then get more managers for those employees and trickle up the pyramid with managers til you get to the CEO

​@@Champ0222the point is that there are more layers of communication to work through. More chances for a breakdown of communication, makes it more likely something can slip through the cracks. Their pace needs to slow down and frankly they need to maintain their size and just become more focused on QOL, rather than pumping out more stuff in order to sell new merch. At a certain point the quality starts to slip so much that it hurts the value of the whole. We are in that period now, I'm hoping they work on it. But I have my doubts. As an example, sword and shields dlc, was better than the base games was. They didn't have to build the whole game from scratch. They had a solid foundation they could work off of and flesh it out. Balder's gate 3 is another example, they took their time in Early access until they felt it's ready. Listened to players feedback and iterated on it, until something astounding was made.

@@jesspeed And there are currently NOT ENOUGH CHEFS IN THE KITCHEN. Too few people that don't know what they're doing well enough are being stretched too thin.

@@jesspeed Numbers are always a bonus if you know how to use them.

I wouldn’t call it optimism, but simply stating the best case scenarios

Criticism isn't usually an antagonistic act. It can be, but despite our initial assumptions, the fans and people who like something are the ones who tend to be most critical. They want the thing they critique to be the best it can be. You have to recognise the negative but equally strive for the positive.

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I want Pokémon to EVOLVE too

I see no way that it gets better with GF developing it. It's not just the technical mess. They seem to have a design philisophy that's all about making the games stupidly easy and doubling down on the c0ck-sucking pointless dialogue and now the charm there used to be is outweighed by the cons.

mentality is if not broke, don't fix, how well last two games did, tells you even broken game still sales, which is really sad. I don't support any half ass game even if its Nintendo.

​@kyotheman69 Pokemon is made by GameFreak Nintendo has little to no envolvement in them. Nintendo games are usually finished polished and playable even the ones you would categorized as half assed like the Mario sports games and Switch sport are at the very least playable and are better in quality and present no glitches the way scarlet and violet did the only real problem these games really have is the content not the quality.

​@@arminarlert7273Nintendo has far more involvement than you think. Pokémon games have two publishers: Nintendo and The Pokémon Company. The Pokémon Company is made up of three different entities: GameFreak, Creatures, and Nintendo. Just to reiterate, it's published by Nintendo and a company that is partially owned by Nintendo. On top of that, GameFreak's development studio is located within Nintendo's main building. They moved to that location around 2019 or so so Nintendo would be able to give them more resources. The Pokémon brand is also heavily associated with Nintendo, so I would feel that Nintendo would do all they can to step in if something is wrong and prevent a poor release. Something clearly didn't happen.

​@@arminarlert7273scarlet and violet had plenty of content it just had no polish

​@@internetguy7319I 100% it in 60 hours and won't replay it because the game lacks replayability it may have a lot of content but I'm never going to play it again due to the lack of polish so that tiny extra step has probably halved my playtime on SV

That’s probably why they started to add new Pokemon mid gens since gen 7

@@NintenSegaPlay good point. that definitely helps, but they don’t come out with as many as they do at the start of each generation. that could easily change though.

A year is enough time to make a good game, especially when your game strictly follows a formula and reuses assets and gameplay from previous games.

@@iminumst7827 Especially since they should be using an engine designed to aid with this, as it massively simplifies things even further like how Valve uses Hammer.

I was legit mad when Scarlett and Violet were announced for 2022. Three years is too short.

I think they actually did this in the 2d DS games and worked really well.

Masuda, not Matsuda. Also, He didn’t direct SwSh or SV and quit GameFreak last year. He is irrelevant.

​@@UltraBall23Oh, thank goodness. You brought a sliver of hope to my heart.

@@MusicComet Nah, the reason the games are bad is because Masuda isn’t in charge. Ohmori is the one messing up the games.

Agreed.

I guess? The ideas are largely things fans have been asking for for years because most other JRPGs have had them for years. I can't think of many uniquely pokemon ideas that are particularly good. I'm tired of the new battle mechanics they try our and drop every gen and the other ideas they have are stuff from other games, except done half assed

@@stupidmonkey089 Scarlet & Violet's story and character writing was great but not many people experienced it because of the quality of the game itself.

@@Cue-Ball. Nah arvens story was great everything other story was okay at best, the team star story was predictable although I thought the bosses were cool. And the pokemon league story was one of the worst with no replayability being baffling.

Not having enough time is definitely an issue however them being incompetent is also one as well, they still haven’t fixed the problem with the game rendering miles of water yet causing fps issues. These are problems people found out week one of the games release and fixed with mods

​@@stupidmonkey089That will never happen because people will keep on buying the games. Even if they are a bad.. The pokemon company will only listen to the fans if the fans refuse to give them money

It would be stupid to not do that

⁠@@TheRibottoStudiosWhich is why they won’t do it

​@@time2e636this got me great reply

No shot they’re gonna wait basically 3 more full years to release 2026. Honestly I would be down bc gen 10 would then probably be insane with that amount of time to polish, but there’s no chance that’s ever happening

We honestly don't need anymore Generations until they can straighten themselves out. The quality is dropping like a bowling ball off a skyscraper. We can't "Catch Em' All" anymore, and they clearly don't care about detail or fine tuning.

SO true and based

It’s the Pokémon brand. This is one of those things where… we can talk about it online all we want but we are so little of the total fan base. Parents are going to get their kids “that new pokemon game” no matter how busted up it is. They don’t know anything about it, they don’t care.

The transformer movies also make record profits

​@@clickycalNot anymore...

Profits can make companies blind to the gaping holes that are growing.. if it grows too large, the fanbase can quickly leave it, in favor to something with a similar formula.

@@jesusramirezromo2037 After years of bad movies. Let's see how Poke sales are after a few more rough gens...

@@clickycalRough gens? Scarlet is the best game in the series so far. I absolutely loved it.

Same. I miss those days.

Come on now. It is clear Scarlet and Violet are games with a lot of effort put in to them. That is one of the reasons why they were in horrible state. They tried to do something new and big. For X and Y they put almost no effort and made the most generic Pokemon games despite having a gimmick to them. In the end I don't think they should have gone that big. That was a mistake, but you CAN see that they did care. They did put effort in those games. They just didn't have enough time.

X&Y are underrated. They’re still not as good as the older games, but they’re at least playable.

I dunno I still have PSTD flashbacks of the story being interrupted by plot and handholding every ten steps

@@TheFlashzapit doesn’t help that the story is incomplete

I stopped unfortunately plenty of others didn't. I liked it up till Sun.

Graphics isnt gonna save a cash grabby unfinished game.

I just hope they wouldn't do a 2d sprite on a 3d plain like Octopath. I think the style looks horrendous.

Cassette Beasts

@@beech5950You have to be the only one that thinks that.

​@@beech5950?

Honestly a solid idea for Black and White remakes

I would leave my money for that every day of the week

100%

Game freak just dont have the talent to do that, Im sorry lol. Pokemon Company is partially to blame not just from a time management standpoint, but also staffing. Gamefreak is a very untalented dev as far as AAA devs go

I'd love that but they won't do it because they'd need to make new sprites and animations for hundreds of Pokemon

Imagine a Black/White remake in that style, it'd be so cool

100% this

The artist Zaebucca did a bunch of pieces showing how a 2D sprite-based pokemon game could look. By just adding a bigger sprite-sheet and sticking with limited palettes and resolutions. It looks amazing. Once they'd figure out definitive specs, and build a decent developing toolkit for editing maps and dialogue, they could pump new games with some consistency. They just need to slow down with the expansion of the pokedex. Maybe start with the original 151 and start expanding them regularly 50 at a time. For whatever years it takes to build an entirely high-detail, seam-less pixel art pokeworld. Throw in some randomly gerated areas, some "camp building" function and some multiplayer options and the games would be endlessly replayable.

They have to do something like platinum or emerald though… don’t just give me a shiny new port like let’s go pikachu. That game was boring as hell because they didn’t try anything new or cool… or at least nothing worth while that meaningfully changed the game

I hate that you've made me imagine that. That'd be so good and they won't do it.

As much as I would love that, that's never going to happen. SEGA ae probably one of the few studios that not only tolerate, but encourage fan games. Nintendo/TPC are the opposite extreme and want to punish people who do it.

@@notrod5341Valve is another, but you still have a point. I wish Nintendo would tolerate them, I feel like both fan and company could get a lot out of them

@@jaretco6423 That's not why the devs left, Christian Whitehead himself has stated his team was in talks with Sega about what they might do with Sonic after Mania and that there is no bad blood between them and Sega. Why they went their separate ways, I'm not sure, but it doesn't have to be because something bad happened.

Legit, have any of y’all played Vinemon? Seriously, Google it, download the latest patch, it’s the best Pokémon experience I’ve had since Unova. It’s unironically my game of the year. You have legit sick Fakemon mixed with things like a draconic Teletubby and a TF2 Furret, plus online battling and trading. It’s ruled my whole Summer since launch and it’s the entire reason I haven’t touched Violet in so long. (I do wanna finish Arceus though so I can finally gain spoiler immunity)

Ever play Coromon or Nexomon?

not only that, but they've been using the same models since gen 6, so they only need to make another model if they introduce a new pokemon or form.

@@thekenyonsquad5672 funny you say that the way new forms have been just stylized top coat over regular pokémon, not entirely new forms (take this as not all gigantamax pkmn stay the same, but my point stands)

Or just have some games that cater to the people who would prefer a more challenging pokemon game

Pixel art games would actually be more expensive for them to develop at this point to my best recollection ^^'

Black and White and their sequels were the best looking pokemon games, legitimately. There was the most personality to them. Something like Skyarrow Bridge hits so much harder than anything in Sword and Shield (or Scarlet and Violet) because they really push the contrast from the rest of the game. That and the animated battle sprites in Gen 5 has been the most... 'alive' feeling Pokemon has ever been.

Skyarrow bridge hits hard

@@elizabethhicks4181unfortunately they were the weakest performing in sales.

I see that as a way to have the games: -look better -run better -be easier to make The one downside there is that a lot of people still have this arbitrary idea that it'd be worth less simply because it's not full 3D.

something something limited 3D graphics something something charming

USUM were also scummy, just in a different way than the modern games. Sun and Moon feel like they were beta versions released to the public at full price, and many people expected USUM to be continuations of the story similar to BW2 and gamefreak did nothing to say otherwise.

@@dorugoramon0518 Thats true, but at least if you bought them without playing sun and moon first you got a full fledged and polished games. In the case of Pokémon games of the switch, no matter what you bought you got half baked game

@@joltx9909that doesn’t excuse it though because multiple people played sun and moon first

Didn't they admit 80% of USUM was the same as SM? That's what we're praising??

Having played through both moon and ultra moon it its probably closer to 90%, with the only things being changed are a lot more polish and an actual end game and postgame instead of the disgrace we got in SM.@@squirtleislife1312

Their creative teams are peak, their development team has been struggling since the transition to 3D, their corporate is trash

Also the character designs. Literally never miss

Just give them more time, and manpower and things would work out.

Remember all the easter eggs, cameo characters, and sidequests in the Alola games? Yeah me too, and I miss it. I stopped playing SWSH when I learned Looker wasn't returning again.

The Scarlet/Violet credits to me seemed really short compared to the number of people lots of other projects do, even the number of programers compared to some animated films. I have no doubt all the people working on pokemon games are talented and passionate, but wow is it not a lot of people to make a triple A game on the time scales of pokemon regular releases.

Your library has newly released video games to check out? Wish my library did that, that sounds awesome.

​@@donovanjoseph737depends on your location. There is one here that has 3 vr sets donated to it and a nice game library. Be the change in your area! Bring up the idea to your library and see what happens. Worst they can say is no.

Same! I'm hesitant to buy the Pokemon games and even merch now bc it feels like rewarding poor behavior. My local library has an amazing catalog of those games to play, I wish more people had the option

The local library?! In addition to free audiobooks for rent?! Going to your local library is AWESOME!

Yeah I freaking hate the school thing too.. especially the school uniform which doesn’t have a skirt…anyway! I really like wondering around walking straight into peoples houses and learning new things about the game at my own pace. It feels like I was learning everyone’s secrets about the game and kind of special. I don’t want a quiz and learning about the game in boring “lesson” format. Give me the classic home intruder format! Otherwise what’s the point of having other human NPCs? They are empty shells.

That could theoretically in my mind probably give them time to cram in the rest of the pokemon maybe?

@@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo I wouldn’t even be mad if they had random outbreaks of pokemon that weren’t from the base games either… they could have outbreaks of random pokemon, that would be a way to reintroduce them into the new games without the mass dump of dlc mons

There's also Beastie Ball, which while it plays a different to pokemon (it's like if volleyball was a turn based RPG) is obviously heavily inspired and also has that 2D 3D style like Cassette Beasts. And while it's only had it's kickstarter + demo it's still got some really good attention so far

Unless they upgrade their pixel art significantly I’m actually not sure that there is. Right now pokemon is really the only option for a high quality monster collection game so people are starved for releases like tem tem and cassette beasts but I remember how big a deal it was when Pokémon went 3D with X&Y. If Pokémon went back to 2D with sprites I think a large portion of the fan base would fall away and there would be major backlash.

​@mostlyghostey are you kidding? this is the same fanbase that hates the new 3d models and constantly criticizes the battle animations. A lot of the fanbase likely grew up with pixel art era, and would probably love a return to that if not out of proper quality, but for sheer nostalgia.

The problem with Cassette Beasts, Beastie Ball, Tem Tem, and many other Pokemon like games is that they're brand new franchises and are mostly indie or AA games, not really triple A. So even if they become a cult classic/semi-popular with people, they just won't be able to get as close of the amount of monsters The Pokemon Company has. Not to mention they have merchandise, anime, shorts, and movies done as well, not just video games. So if any franchise wants to be pokemon like, they not only have to dive into gaming, but also television/internet, merchandise, movies and tv shows to name a few. And they also have to be vastly different from Pokemon itself as well.

So I think doing what Nintendo did with Cadence of Hyrule would be a relatively cheap way to start this strategy. Focus on talented indie developers and let them take the franchise in brand new directions. A lot of indie developers have devoted fan bases that will absolutely play a Pokémon game made by them, and I’m sure there’s a ton of developers who would jump at the chance to release an official Pokémon game.

honestly I'd pay another $60 for the same game if it was actually fixed to be a game worth $60

No, we don’t want to encourage them to release a game that’s not finished just so they can finish it later and get our money all over again I’m glad we’ve moved away from the third game type of mentality like emerald and platinum. The games need to be good when they come out.

@@Oscarsome idk they've always kind of done that with third versions. And you can still wait for the definitive versions to release before buying them

ScarletRegret and WeepingViolet

​@@Oscarsome Except the third game mentality was actually pretty sound to start with. They were all basically a bug-fix, plus expansion pack. Pokemon Yellow cleaned up a lot of Red and Blue's bugs and added a lot of new, fun content. Same with Crystal and Emerald and Platinum. Gen V is where they started to get greedy as why release one third version, (Gray) when we can release two? Not to say Black and White 2 wasn't good, but it opened up a can of worms (that they tried to make us forget by NOT releasing a third version for Gen VI, Z which was expected). Because lo and behold, Sun and Moon came out, and they tacked on the scrapped content from Z into Ultra S&M. SwSh was interesting as the game itself generated a ton of controversy with the Dexit (a major corner cut that they assured us wouldn't happen due to the work they put in for Gen VI) and then, as many predicted, they sold us the missing Pokémon as part of not one, but two DLC's. The split third versions were back, but in a clever way that cost them even less resources to make as they only needed to add a single new area and a couple new Mon's and NPC's. What's more, they no longer had the logic of the third version being a bug-fix, as they could do that via patches (and as a result, we ended up with even buggier games from jump). "You've done half a job and you got a full smile!"

The good people from Genious Sonority have been working at GameFreak for almost 2 decades and have had leadership roles in recent games.

More staff doesn't equate quality. Not really how development works. BUT it couldn't hurt

They need more time. 3 years is not enough for an open world JRPG. Stop talking about this if you don't know what you are talking about.

the people in here actually have no clue what theyre talking about. Gamefreak NEEDS MORE EMPLOYEES PERIOD. of course more time would help, but you could give them 3 years and they would still pump put a mediocre game. they have slightly over 150 workers which is absolutely microscopic in the games industry. for reference, the damn Bayonetta devs have almost 400!! Cyberpunk over 1000! CoD over 3000!! Pokemon makes the most money of any of them, theres no excuse not to hire a bigger team.

@@Ronbotnik not only that, but their 150 employees are usually split between two different projects. Even having all of the existing employees focus on one game would be a huge improvement.

Masuda likes a smaller team and that isnt gonna change for him because it is easier for him to manage (which to be fair I can't blame him) the issue is time between releases. Yeah competitive can help keep pokemon alive but you cant get more people into it if the main game feels unfinished

I agree with you about the games being treated as an afterthought. I really do think that the games are merely a vessel to introduce the next generation of characters you can buy merchandise of. I wouldn't be surprised if certain characters (Pokemon or human) were designed with this kind of merchandising in mind, first and foremost. There's always so much merch being churned out that it really feels like Pokemon is something like a "lifestyle" brand now than a video game franchise.

@@fuyuseetaa I do agree and the thing is Pokémon got big initially because of its games. Pokémon just exploded in popularity so fast that merchandising became the main money maker. I feel they spend more money and time on the marketing campaigns for new content than the actual games themselves. The latest games just have felt incredibly lackluster for a franchise as huge as Pokémon.

If the problem is a corporation releasing a game every year because there are people who will buy it, the problem is with the greed of the people releasing a game every year to make the most money. ‘Oh, but you can’t expect a corporation to choose to make less money’ actually yes, I can. Because the Zelda team are very aware they could make more money spitting out a game a year. But they don’t. In fact most corporations control their greed for something, be it greater audience respect, for greater self-respect, for being artistic, or innovative, or ambitious, or making leaps forward in technology and creativity. The Pokemon Company won’t make that decision because they don’t care about any values, at all, besides making as much money as possible, as regularly as possible. I don’t blame the consumers for that. When there’s a crappy teacher who gets dismal grades out of their class, but the students like them because hey sometimes they give out candy, I don’t blame the students saying that they like the teacher for the teacher’s poor performance. The Pokemon Company needs to hold itself to some standards, and unless they *choose* to do that, no ‘collective action’ will change anything, because even if it worked they would blame everything other than the fact that they are an embarrassment to the profession and position they have found themselves in.

@@RowanTS Yeah I agree, expecting fans to protest with their pockets assumes prepubescent kids won't nag their parents for the next game. They will, Pokemon is primarily marketed at children and that won't ever change.

I doubt the issue will ever be truly fixed unfortunately. At the very least I'm proud to say I'm not buying new pokemon games anymore, arceus was my last and that was cuz it was finally something different. We need to vote with our wallets, and Sword and Shield sucked ass, so I already knew I wasn't giving them my money on the next gen, but unfortunately people forgot how much they hated SS and bought the new gen anyways.

You're not wrong about the depressive state of the world but man... Also, nice seeing you here. Of course it's on a Pokémon video

You got a point

At least we have the Pokemon side games, which more often than not tend to be a more enjoyable experience. Also ayo, lockstin?? Pog

Unfortunately you’re right

To be fair, the fans are to blame as well. If they want better games, they need to stop defending GF being lazy. Considering how many people defended GF removing the natdex, it’s no wonder they’re constantly trying to see what they can get away with cutting corners on.

no shit the game that is just on rails movies is gonna look better than an entire open world JRPG you can make the argument that scarlet and violet isnt polished like everyone else without sounding stupid to people with game development knowledge also, legends being more fun is an opinion

I don't know if things aren't changing. People said the same thing when Sword and Shield came out, saying they sold millions of copies so they won't ever improve the games' stories or give us an open world game. We then got Legends and Scarlet & Violet that fixed those complaints. When Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon were releasing, the big complaint was that it wasn't DLC for Sun and Moon and that the game will sell millions, so they're never going to do DLC. They then made DLC instead of a third version. There's still a ton of problems but there's more seemingly impossible changes than you'd think.

New Pokemon Snap was everything I ever wanted from a Snap sequel... I enjoyed it and I hope other folks also got to enjoy it but it is a bit of a shame it didn't do better.

I was so surprised NPS didn't get DLC. It was such a great game and improved on the original by leaps and bounds.

@@DragonicMonkey21 It did, actually…

Legends was not made by gamefreak

French revolution in a pokemon game 🔥

We will know soon enough, but I am pretty confident that we are getting another Legends game in Gen 9. In my opinion Gamefreak has clearly shifted the way they develop the franchise starting with Gen9. Up until Gen 9 EVERY pokemon game was for everyone. However generation 8 completely threw that idea of the window. the only game aimed at the competitive players was Sword and Shield, BD/SP would only be interesting to the people that sit there whining they want the games to be like the old ones, without the gimmicks without the new graphics etc. While Legends has the target audience of people that do not care about the traditional forumla much and instead want innovation in the franchise. The way they introduced it also - at least to me - pretty clearly stated that Legends is the new series of pokemon games. Gen 9 - I'll be honest S/V is nowhere near as good of a VGC format as SwSh was. Though it still is widely considered a fan favourtie due to having possibly the best story in the pokemon series so far, and if you follow the intended order it's actually a bit higher difficulty than the games before. I do not know what they will do for the second game of this generation, as it's too early for a remake, and I'm not 100% confident they would go with Let's go for this slot. But I fully expect it to be a simpler, less gimmicky and more "old school" style game again And of course - the last game of this generation I'm very confident is going to be a Legends title. Remains to be seen if it will be similar to Arceus or keep trying to innovate more

Oh God Pokémon manifest destiny...

@@yddet4369 I was going to say obviously they probably wouldn't want to adapt all elements of that idea, but now that I think about it if they have to whitewash the history, maybe they shouldn't touch it at all. Okay better idea: Don't make it about the white European people for once: An American Legends game with a heavy Native American aesthetic with the PC and surrounding cast being original natives to the Unova region. Lots of open landscapes, no big cities yet.

I’d die. I’d love that so much I’d just die. I’m so easy to please but that’s just such a charming idea

don't forget the background looking like it came out of a gamecube instead of a switch. Scarlet and Violet had that same issue as well

@@Sassafrass95 Seriously. I don’t enjoy being a naysayer but for all the praise that game got, I just didn’t get the hype. This game should’ve come out ten years ago

Lifeless humans have been a problem in the series for a long time, its very rare we get a very expresssionate person beyond the secondary characters.

You mean mainly with how baren the environment was. It seriously looked like a 90s tech demo

And the world looks like a nuclear warhead just went off and we are now exploring a post apocalyptic landscape

Unfortunately its just PR speak. They won't do jack about getting the game to a stable state let alone improving the quality of everything else.

The only people who think their reputation is bad are haters. True fans enjoy the games for what they are

That's an odd way to say _braindead sheep who are more than happy to be fleeced for broken unfinished products_@@sam4255

As a child, I did soo much research on the Unown Ruins in Gen2, I dont even think there was that much lore to find? But back then, I was sooo intrigued and thought of various theories. I miss the wonder, the unknown, the mystery ):