Arm Wars | Arm wrestling | Vigeant Jnr USA v Barboza BRA Las Vegas Convention Centre
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@defiance3332 жыл бұрын
Just watched an interview where RVJ said he didn’t train for a 4 year span (when this match took place) because of suffering from anxiety and how he felt if his heart rate got too high…look at him checking his pulse on his neck after match 2. Shocking at how naturally gifted RVJ is…this match is a screamer!
@IgorKalember2 жыл бұрын
This!
@WarriorStatue2 жыл бұрын
Cool story bro
@monza9307 Жыл бұрын
Oh 😮👍
@HipsterBot20006 жыл бұрын
@ 5:15 forever alone
@Hi-fd8wd6 жыл бұрын
XDDD
@belkenator4 жыл бұрын
🙆♂️
@Qwickv4 жыл бұрын
HipsterBot lmaooo
@DropkickNation4 жыл бұрын
Poor Ian. LOL
@abhaydxyt62824 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@TimmyTurner4215 жыл бұрын
How lean Barboza was back then. He is so much bigger (and stronger) now
@JoseRodriguez-mp1bl4 жыл бұрын
Barboza goes in for the kill instantly! My gosh!!! He all talking to the ref in the last match while holding him 😂
@SOLIDCORNER4183 ай бұрын
And now oleg played with him like a child
@Carcaroff876 жыл бұрын
2:57 "i'm the man, man"
@debaterofeverythingpresent27756 жыл бұрын
Did you guys forget to record the dates of this matches? Please add the dates. Is it so hard to add dates of matches?
@TimmyTurner4215 жыл бұрын
They probably don't know themselves
@chaztheOG5 жыл бұрын
Timmy Turner I see you everywhere my G
@TimmyTurner4215 жыл бұрын
@@chaztheOG we must be subscribed to the same channels my duder
@theswayzeexpress13 жыл бұрын
Also, the camera didn't show their elbows most of the time. That's like a huge part of watching an armwrestling fight
@theonewhopronates76553 жыл бұрын
Yeah these guys really need to date these things. Without a date they are inaccurate representations of these athletes. Unprofessional
@NickFudge16 жыл бұрын
Damn that was a good matchup. Couple of powerhouses right there 💪🏼
@xxLLODxx6 жыл бұрын
5:14, til this day, they say that man's hands are still up.
@xxLLODxx3 жыл бұрын
@Anthony 223 Hey genius, this comment was from 2 years ago, and it has 28 likes, I find that some people found it funny, so how about you take this L and go away. Lol
@coachjohn21903 жыл бұрын
@Anthony 223 Bruh, just a joke
@mattg36966 жыл бұрын
Got to love the nick names. Thanks for the upload
@bomboclatgardener44903 жыл бұрын
Amazing performance , so excited
@zekicaneksi6 жыл бұрын
7:48 that looks like a finish to me
@zekicaneksi6 жыл бұрын
i think there supposed to be 2 refrees
@xxLLODxx6 жыл бұрын
right wtf, it tapped the pad
@rileyneufeld70015 жыл бұрын
@@xxLLODxx Rob's forearm touched the pad not his wrist. It's anywhere from the wrist to the fingertips is a pin.
@epicnavigator4 жыл бұрын
Armwars is all about show, the matches are good but not the reality of armwresling
@felipecamposribeiro48524 жыл бұрын
@@rileyneufeld7001 Exactly. And even if it touched, there was a clear elbow foul by Barbosa. In 0.25 speed is easy to see.
@irishdarbykd6 жыл бұрын
Armwrestling is complex and clearly and clearly most people that have never participated don't understand what is being required of both the athletes and the refs. You ref a best of 6 supermatch and show us zero errors.
@aaronrus4 жыл бұрын
Marcio's forhead up close looks like Andre the Giants, massive bone structure
@shable14364 жыл бұрын
T will do that
@rufussthubbins88913 жыл бұрын
Shablé no, it will not. AAS not alter bone structure. It is however a side effect of prolonged GH use. The reason the OP recognized the resemblance to Andre is becquse Andre suffered from Acromegaly, which is a condition in which the brain is unable to stop producing growth hormone. It’s a rough disease to deal with. It’s like your body ha a faucet of GH that never stops and you end up looking like a Neanderthal. The difference between Marcia and Andre is Andre had the disease somce birth, so he grew past 7 ft because the GH was flowing before the bones fused and stopped vertical growth. Marcia, on the other hand took synthetic GH for a prolonged amount of time and developed the side effects that happen after bone fusion. It’s kindve an unsaid secret in armwrestling that the real PED of choice is GH since it can literall make your bones (extremities) larger permanently. Why do you think you see ppl like Denis and Levans ‘anthropomorphism’ drastically change even though they’re past puberty? Your hands, wrists and feet don’t just grow until your 100...why do you think larrrats hand is larger than it was 10-15 yrs ago? Why do u think the top of Todd hutchings head looks neanderthalish? Too much GH creates permanent bone changes likened to a Neanderthal (Neanderthals pineal gland were more active than humans, which is responsible for GH production) Don’t spread hate or anything with this information. It’s part of being a professional athlete unfortunately.
@gorilaogorila8353 жыл бұрын
Do you think that a person that is natural would have any chance against the professionals ?
@aaronrus3 жыл бұрын
@@gorilaogorila835 the guy in the video above, Rob Vigeant, is all natural, never juiced.. hes just a natural freak
@bobcooter3 жыл бұрын
RVJ's cahdeo wasn't so bad after all. What a crazy match, seems like the sport needs some tech added to pin-pads.
@xXxBorknagarxXx4 жыл бұрын
9:37 Rob's hand touched Marcio's grip.
@da11king4 жыл бұрын
WAR of the elbows 😂💪
@devoncyplenkov77463 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the match would go today
@Baruch-hashem-2 жыл бұрын
Barboza all day
@georgepoly48422 жыл бұрын
Barboza would crush him, mostly because he’s on every roid known to man kind lol. Dude is 6’0 260 with low body fat at age 50💀💀
@michaeltoddsdisgustforlosi61962 жыл бұрын
@@georgepoly4842 man that’s fucking huge...
@jamesdjl4359 Жыл бұрын
@@georgepoly4842 haha. Every single one known to exist 😂😂. It's so true. But, Marcio is a great guy so I hope he let's off the gas for the sake of his health and his family.
@Smood476 жыл бұрын
5:14 Barboza 'Ummmm no' Walks away
@PumaTomten6 жыл бұрын
Ref was so up Barbozas face he missed a clear elbow lift from the pad by Vigeant at 10.20 ... and he was slightly off the pad before that.
@nznick90336 жыл бұрын
Great fight from Rob there, fighting back from 3-0 takes guts.
@youtubeconnollyfamily4 жыл бұрын
RVJ is a fucking beast dude
@Carcaroff876 жыл бұрын
8:31 John Cena in the background.
@JoseRodriguez-mp1bl4 жыл бұрын
JeanBaptisteGrenouille Oh Shit!! That was John Cena!!! 😂
@wyattkindler4964 жыл бұрын
Not sure who you're talking about, I cant see him 😉
@cookingagainstcancer4 жыл бұрын
@@wyattkindler496 gold
@AntoniIvanov-rq7dy3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, I thought the same
@Buzz17566 жыл бұрын
What a sloppy match. Two evenly matched competitors though
@lucasluzzi3 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Marcio Barboza: Wrist
@Azazel_884 жыл бұрын
Wtf RVJ'S hand & wrist are scary strong!
@natepolidoro4565 Жыл бұрын
Great pull
@maxxxmodelz40612 жыл бұрын
Marcio is just SO strong and so fast. His nickname should be "fast-twitch fiber" Barbosa! Rob is a powerhouse too, if he can stop the match then he's in the match with almost anyone.
@jdkillin86434 ай бұрын
the thing I notice most about older arm-wrestling, is where are the thumb knuckles???
@rodneydongerfield53782 жыл бұрын
Damn, that was a messy match
@jedsteelwell23542 жыл бұрын
What a match
@stevesatrianiaverionlaguna69103 жыл бұрын
Size matter but RVJ was so strong 💪
@dannydonlon9204 жыл бұрын
Lowell baby! Let's get it
@abhaydxyt62824 жыл бұрын
Hmm... So this is the guy Eddie Hall is going to be armwrestling!!
@eshizhamsuev4 жыл бұрын
Who? Barboza or RVJ?
@sergeysmelnik4 жыл бұрын
@@eshizhamsuev rvj gonna arm wrestle Eddie hall
@irishdarbykd6 жыл бұрын
Have you ever arm wrestled in a tournament?
@SNAZINS2 жыл бұрын
wish it was this RVJ that showed up yesterday for Sasho
@aaronrus4 жыл бұрын
'whos the motherfucker now', love Rob
@BlakeGibbons2 жыл бұрын
Robs hand is so wild
@norwicharmwrestling34716 жыл бұрын
Please add Glenn bengtsson vs cobra Rhodes match
@RoryZ236 жыл бұрын
Barboza elbow was doing laps around the table.
@juankmath5 жыл бұрын
La partida más difícil es la que ya la tienes ganada
@devidia4 жыл бұрын
So marcio wins round 2 while his pin is a second elbow foul and both are on a running foul??? How does that work?
@BlakeGibbons2 жыл бұрын
When he got the pin he committed the second elbow foul. Since RVJ was on a runner, when Barboza got a runner as well(during the pin) it cancelled out both. So it was no longer his second foul, and only had the original one.
@nickyyam25034 жыл бұрын
Thats crazy
@ArmWars6 жыл бұрын
bengtsson v cobra will be going up very soon....plus for dates guys just go to the playlist first and it will show year of matches. cheers. CombatandStrength.com
@Flornmonk6 жыл бұрын
You should probably add it to the video as well?
@kenpachizaraki43036 жыл бұрын
too lazy to add the dates in each video huh.
@robertcraig26625 жыл бұрын
hey is there any video of barboza ever winning?
@tylerthomas52615 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading these matches, a lot of great content for free.
@diggs0n3 жыл бұрын
@Todd - thats armwrestling!!!
@gizzodadon40382 жыл бұрын
5:15 Marcio cold
@TheJohnCooper6 жыл бұрын
Why not do 7 wrestles, so that there's always a winner?
@hadeedbhai805 жыл бұрын
I guess it has to do something with being on each side of the table equal amount of times, i dont know.
@felipecamposribeiro48524 жыл бұрын
@KillswitchOwnsAll But they don't go the the straps on every round. Like, what if they went to straps an odd amount of rounds? This rule doesn't make much sense to me.
@jeffscuderi86624 жыл бұрын
Sometimes official like krasi kurdecha sometimes unofficial like Devon haven't left vegas.Krasi won 7th to get in top 8 hvywghy..Devon won I heard but doesn't count goes as 33 tie.
@jeffscuderi86624 жыл бұрын
Bagent*
@slipper4094 жыл бұрын
So who won the 7th?
@Inlinesk8rr2 жыл бұрын
What format is this that a match can end in a draw?
@GreatRunner4 жыл бұрын
and RBJ was saying he's at the same level as Devon Larrat... and that he beat Marcio..
@MrDrNii3 жыл бұрын
I was here just cause of that video LOL
@EverlastGX4 жыл бұрын
2:15
@antoniofabio10515 жыл бұрын
Barboza 👍👍👍👏💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
@koolburn52184 жыл бұрын
RVJ competed with Marcio? And he's going against Justin Bishop in 506?
@EverlastGX4 жыл бұрын
Thats why he destroyed Bishop
@felipecamposribeiro48524 жыл бұрын
That's why he has three hammers on the middle weight division, he is the best in that weight class.
@conjurecorpse82094 жыл бұрын
You forgot Toddzilla and Brzenk
@joshuamusser88934 жыл бұрын
Neil is yelling in my right ear and I don't even care
@guitarjunkienc48754 жыл бұрын
Did he say the refs name was Phil Collins? Lol 😝
@doeverything41776 жыл бұрын
Devon larrat is best
@tristanjacobson51994 жыл бұрын
Devon larratt is the best
@hamstrungharry2594 жыл бұрын
Ma'am, this is a Wendy's.
@Alex-17504 жыл бұрын
😂
@righttouchtileable2 жыл бұрын
💪😎💪
@dragon81heart4 жыл бұрын
Still hoping to see RVJ vs The Beast, whenever it will finally be able to take place Even though Eddie has probably 5 times more power than RVJ, and probably double the body weight I still think RVJ will win overall bc he has soooo much more experience and endurance I’m thinking Hall will win the first match 2nd will be a drawn out match, maybe 3-4 minutes. I think Hall may win that one as well, but he will be completely spent at that point and RVJ will win the rest of the matches and win overall Give Eddie more time and experience and he could easily win against pretty much anyone in any weight class He is one of, if not THE strongest man to ever walk the planet He definitely has more power than anyone else, even more than Dennis had in his prime And I bet Ed can press nearly double of what Jerry can do But will he stay with this, or is it more of a hobby for him And will he injure himself too? Probably just a hobby But still excited to see nonetheless
@hasoonnine4 жыл бұрын
the thing is that your missing is its not just about strength and power, its about technique leverage genetics, Eddie hall doesn't have the genetics to be the best in arm wrestling
@dragon81heart4 жыл бұрын
Hasoon nine pretty sure I said that in my comment and also said that I think RVJ will will the overall match, whenever it finally gets to happen lol I feel if Eddie could get enough experience under his belt he will be near unbeatable. Especially be as strong or stronger than Dennis and have for speed and explosiveness But all that is a huge IF And that’s also IF Eddie doesn’t scree his arm up too Already down half a bicep in his left arm With his amount of power and not much experience he could easily rip the bicep off on his right arm as well It will be exciting to see where this goes, and I hope he doesn’t injure himself But I’d say it’s a 50/50 that he will rip a muscle
@brentlionakaboldchamp2 жыл бұрын
Eddie doesn’t have 5 times more power than Rob, lol. Eddie is probably 5 times stronger than the average man, and Rob is significantly stronger than average. Significantly, lol. Eddie could lift more, certainly, but it’s by no means 5x greater. He isn’t even 5x my strength, lol, and I’m a lightweight. Eddie would need YEARS of training to be able to beat Rob in a match. I’m sure you’ve seen Larry Wheels join arm wrestling? He was decent, but still didn’t do anywhere near as good as many believed he would, and he could beat Eddie easily now, as well.
@dragon81heart2 жыл бұрын
@@brentlionakaboldchamp I think you took what I said the wrong way. The 5x stronger but overall strength, not 5x stronger arms. And now that Ed has pivoted away from strength sports to boxing, while still much stronger than most, Ed isn’t as strong as he was, so the 5x overall strength is probably more like 3x or so now. And again, that’s overall body strength. And most arm wrestlers don’t really do much in the way of strength building in areas that are not really utilized often if ever on the table. I’d say in arm strength Eddie at his strength peak in 2017 was probably easily twice to three times that of RVJ, but that doesn’t mean much on the table when there is no experience behind that power. Eddie strict pressed nearly every overhead lift he had ever done, and was one of the strongest men ever at overhead events, so his tricep power is, or rather was in 2017, a lot more than probably any pro arm wrestler. But it’s also a world of difference in how that power is used. Hence why I’d think even someone so much smaller than Eddie, RVJ for example, even having much less power, would still win overall. Maybe Ed, if he is lucky and gets into a position where Ed could apply some of that power, would take one win, but that’s about all he would get as the lack of experience and the huge amounts of lactic acids quickly build up in Ed’s arm making all of his power essentially useless on the table. Larry is a good example of that. Lots of power at first and if he can impliment it he wins the first match against many pros, well ok a few pros. At least some smaller pros lol. Eddie is quite a bit stronger than Larry even now and was a lot stronger than Larry at Ed’s peak, but even Eddie wouldn’t be able to win the first match against some of the lighter pros and probably not any against the bigger pros. Now if, which is even less likely now with the boxing stuff lol, but if Ed would get into Arm Wrestling and get some experience behind that power he would be a force to be reckoned with. But yeah it would take years to get that. And I don’t see Ed pulling for anything more than a hobby lol
@brentlionakaboldchamp2 жыл бұрын
@@dragon81heart I didnt take it the wrong way, lol. I was talking overall strength, as well. Eddie isnt even 5x stronger than me, and i`m significantly weaker than Rob, in probably every way you could think of. He isnt even 3x stronger than Rob, either. More like 1.5-2x, and that might be pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if Rob could deadlift at least 500-550 lbs or more. No strongman is 3x stronger than that. Arm wrestling is also a total body workout. I myself have a PPv arm wrestling match coming up at Travis`s tournament, and i was strength training before i started arm wrestling, and i`m still doing so. Many arm wrestlers are also the same. There are some pro arm wrestlers that were also in strongman events and many could bench 500-600 lbs, and overlift quite a lot. Even Michael Todd can overhead lift at least 145 lbs with one arm, and i have done 100 lbs before. Eddie isnt doing 3x that strict. Denis Cyplenkov was a strength athlete on and off the table. He was deadlifting and squatting 750 lbs. Eddie would lose to Rob probably regardless of the position. He doesnt have the proper hand strength and strength in specific arm wrestling movements for it to really make a difference. There are certain arm wrestling lifts i do that is similar to what Larry Wheels has done, and he is over twice my size, and one of the strongest men in the world. I still couldnt beat him in arm wrestling, but you never know, lol. There were lightweight guys that was beating Larry at first, for a while, but he did improve a lot since he first started, and has given schoolboy a run for his money, but still lost every match last time they went. Eddie would need to be training for several years to come out on top in arm wrestling, and he has to show significant improvement. He did think about doing arm wrestling for a bit.
@Sbc-rp9fc4 жыл бұрын
At what point do you lose the "Junior". How about just Rob Vigeant
@kA-gk8ub3 жыл бұрын
Robs hand ✋
@tolbster.3 жыл бұрын
Ron is the cockiest guy that tries to seem passive, I’ve ever seen in my life
@DANGJOS6 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me the difference between a running foul, and an actual elbow foul
@matthewcraig38376 жыл бұрын
DANG JOS In a Running foul system, the match doesn't stop due to an elbow foul. The person who committed the foul has to win the match in order to get a restart with a foul. If they lose, the match is over.
@DANGJOS6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Craig So if they're using that system, they never stop the match for a foul? It always continues until it's over?
@matthewcraig38376 жыл бұрын
DANG JOS Pretty much. Unless it just turns retarded and both elbows are flying. I've seen that happen.
@DANGJOS6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Craig Alright thanks
@eane12756 жыл бұрын
Matthew Craig lmao now I want to see that.
@citrus84553 жыл бұрын
Nice to see big mouth rob loose
@haroutnajarian7775 жыл бұрын
The only thing marcio barboza need to win everyone is to slow down wen the match stops
@lyjj4 жыл бұрын
First time ive seen marcio win haha
@BlakeGibbons Жыл бұрын
5:15 Grippler was crushed
@MobaCry2 жыл бұрын
WTF, where is the last round? 😂
@Hwd3712 жыл бұрын
Wish we could see better angle Marcio’s elbow better…
@bmustardman3 жыл бұрын
SHOULDA TAKEN AH CADIO COURSE BEFORE THIS
@corone20183 жыл бұрын
That’s Barbarosa’s match
@ronniemillsap5 ай бұрын
R.V.J!
@ThESID12004 жыл бұрын
i dont see any knucles xD
@joemama71636 жыл бұрын
Explosivity? Why invent a word when explosiveness is what you meant?
@ryanbottem66284 жыл бұрын
explosivity. Noun. (countable and uncountable, plural explosivities) (uncountable) The state of being explosive. (countable) A measure of the extent to which a material is explosive.
@TJPatriot745 жыл бұрын
Barboza constantly lifts his elbow
@italianinvegas44194 жыл бұрын
What is running foul?
@waytoostrongmatt58974 жыл бұрын
That's when the elbow is not being stable in the pad. When the elbow moves outside of the pad, that's the elbow foul.
@Alex-17504 жыл бұрын
//ITALIAN IN VEGAS\\ means the match doesn’t immediately stop (to prevent annoying stoppages) and foul “runs” depending on the outcome (if guy who did this wins or not)
@ohkay36443 жыл бұрын
Blue is going down
@Mike-gi1dk3 жыл бұрын
Damn. Alot of excuses once things weren't going Marcios way..
@xionski3 жыл бұрын
Is this the brazilian bagent lmao
@Joshuaengels3 жыл бұрын
the "made up" nicknames are hilarious
@eleazar913 жыл бұрын
at least barboza won a match in his career
@bigern_4 жыл бұрын
Barboza got that steroid forehead
@Plzreplyhello3 жыл бұрын
Barbooza pinned him and it didnt count wtf
@jdkillin86434 ай бұрын
bill almost as bad as bart the mokcery wood, jesus
@randalljack6925 жыл бұрын
This guy can be the new bart wood get rid of bart
@artslourds31766 жыл бұрын
whos win
@eshizhamsuev6 жыл бұрын
Artslourds If the score is 3:3, who do you think?
@eane12756 жыл бұрын
Artslourds read the scoreboard, you're a big boy now.
@mathewallen3055 жыл бұрын
Hey assholes, instead of making fun of him, how about watching the Devin vs Bagent match in Vegas Arm Wars. They had 3:3 and Bagent won the match.
@AndreiMateusMancillaHerrera195 жыл бұрын
Mathew Allen Why??? Can the match could be a draw? Or we are missing the 7 round? Did This match finish with a draw?
@Alex-17504 жыл бұрын
@Mathew Allen unofficially...and stop insulting people joe
@zdravkolukalasic31954 жыл бұрын
@7:50 it is pin. #RESPECT Ref
@coachjohn21903 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that is definitely a pin. You can even see the pad go down
@coachjohn21903 жыл бұрын
Actually competition rules are fingertips to wrist, my bad. Also, elbow foul on Barbosa, can see clearly if you slow to 0.25 speed
@benturner22833 жыл бұрын
How the fuck does Ryan bowen think he can beat rvj lol
@kaganturktur2 жыл бұрын
7:49 what ??
@arcticmorning6 жыл бұрын
Barboza looks huge and wired.. is he on juice or something..
@Smood476 жыл бұрын
Obviously man wtf lol
@eane12756 жыл бұрын
dave Giter it's that mf pineapple juice
@brodhax61484 жыл бұрын
These guys are more acrobats than arm wrestlers, considering how much time their elbows spend in the air
@israelvibrations1006 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what's going on with these rules of a running foul.....im not liking it......proferional arm wrestler should not be given any chance to continue the match...theres way too many running fouls.......i saw Barbosa....lift his elbow for a pin and won a round.....i paused it on my phone and it's clear up off the pad....iv seen so many other matches from different arm wrestles.....did the same and won the match..that just wrong. It's almost like if it was foot ball and you ran off the line of scrimmage and then jumped back in to score a touch down.....THAT IS JUST WRONG........Am I seeing this right????
@irishdarbykd6 жыл бұрын
MyFishing Addictions have you ever pulled a super match? Average people don't have endurance to last six rounds. The rules are unique to keep the matches moving. Setting up six matches without restarts is intense then add in multiple restarts with straps.
@israelvibrations1006 жыл бұрын
irishdarbykd that's what I mean a restart is better for both of them gives them a chance to save there arms....and build back there strengths.....that way they feel the FULL power...of there opponent....and real time, endurance and technic. I don't think I've ever see Devon Larratt lift his elbows jump off the side of the pads.....9 out of 10 he the only one following throu with clear pins. That Just my opinion.....
@irishdarbykd6 жыл бұрын
Devon has probably the most endurance out of any puller on Earth. He is the exception not the rule. He also is known as a supermatch puller as tournament format is not his strength. The winner of this match pulled the winner of another. That's a minimium of 12 starts. Keep stuff in perspective.
@israelvibrations1006 жыл бұрын
irishdarbykd perspective....Keep elbows down stay on Pad, Make a pin ..........SIMPLE
@seyerus6 жыл бұрын
irishdarbykd Perspective is irrelevant. If you’re saying that they’re struggling with the format then the format is at fault and should be changed but right now tactical fouling is rife.
@antoniofabio10513 жыл бұрын
continuação kkkkkkkkkkk
@BeyondChange3 жыл бұрын
Marcio Barboza never Wins.
@stoneeh4 жыл бұрын
7:50 not called a pin. 9:39 not called a pin. Wtf - get rid of that ref!
@natearsenault75734 жыл бұрын
Who ended up f****** winning man?
@thaliadaniel95235 жыл бұрын
Se tu é brasileiro pelo menos na parte de chingar usa o portugues caraio
@JohnyRelax4 жыл бұрын
wow what an ugly match...shitty referee,marcio was robbed,7:48 for example..wtf..