ARMIN WING CONSTRUCTION: start-to-finish process with links to detail videos

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12 жыл бұрын

The entire process, from start to finish, with links to the other existing detailed videos in the series, plus a few new ideas for experienced builders
This video shows each of the steps in constructing the Armin Wing design of cambered airfoil for RC aircraft. The wing is made from inexpensive Readi-Board ("Dollar Tree") foamboard, hot glue, and packing tape. They are made in 5" or 7" airfoil chord with control surface of the builder's choice, usually 1-2". They can be used singly for smaller planes or joined in sections for up to 90" wingspan.
The Armin Wing has a true cambered, flat-bottom airfoil that is easy to construct in a consistent, effective way. This makes scale-like wings more affordable and accessible to new and experienced builders.
Estimated build time per wing section is 1 hour for first try, 30 minutes after some practice. Consider building a batch of several wings for later use on new designs of your own.
See Experimental Airlines channel for more ideas on construction with foamboard and for examples of RC aircraft.
My camera white balance function is screwed up - sorry for the color distortion.

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@haxto1 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being so clear and concise in your narratives. It can be frustrating to a new builder when things get glossed over assuming every one knows various things. Your becoming my "go to" guy.

@MatthewHeiskell 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed, thank you so much for your videos! Your Armin wing design is awesome! Two sections joined together to make a 60 inch wing is the greatest thing since sliced bread! I've been making these for the last three years.

@Theeslickness 9 жыл бұрын

Great instructional video! I got some great tips on the improved airfoil bend. I think the FT Versa Wing can be heavily improved with this technique. I also love your method of adding aerodynamics to the trailing edge and control surfaces. I noticed that your leading edge bend can be pretty thick. Keep up the great work!

@markdayell61 8 жыл бұрын

great instructions. thank you for posting this!

@zero00tolerance 12 жыл бұрын

Thanks sooo much! this is amazing... simplicity of Rc planes at its best.

@douglashall4928 8 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed! i just found your channel last week and just want to say your techniques and tips are genius. I'm still fairly new to foam building and you have made everything so easy and affordable. I've already started using your techniques and designs. I just finished a 42" wingspan arman wing and it's produced professional results. I've done wiped out the local dollar tree of foam board and plan on building many of your airplanes. Just wanted to say you are doing a great job and thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@theRCexperiment 12 жыл бұрын

what a great wing, can't wait to try it?!

@rlgbuilders 12 жыл бұрын

Great job as usual. Built my first Armin wing 2 days ago for the Axon. Good idea for alignment with two wing construction.

@Killerplanes 10 жыл бұрын

very cool! If the Wright brothers could see us now!

@michaelwhinnery164 4 жыл бұрын

Dude !!! Thankyou so much for this post, this is Badass.

@FPVTrond 12 жыл бұрын

Great as always! Thanks for sharing :) -Trond

@cosmiccz75 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed, thanks for great videos. Can you advice - I've build two wings (similar material to Depron), but every time both up and down side bend, so I get more like symmetrical wing . How to assure that the bottom stay straight? Thanks.

@ExperimentalAirlines 10 жыл бұрын

Cool! Get building, share your videos and ideas back with us.

@theRCexperiment 12 жыл бұрын

what a great video! can't wait to try it, thanks

@wordreet 11 жыл бұрын

Excellent! I tend to play this vid while I'm making Armin type wings, just to remind myself of stuff. And when you mentioned canned air, i opened up another window and found Canned Heat to play in the back ground while I completed the build! So now I'm rockin out and wingin it at the same time. Rock on Ed! B¬)

@jps99 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent tutorial! So much detail, yet clearly presented. Learned a lot!

@espr7564 7 жыл бұрын

Top video, very conise, beautifully explained awesome job Ed 👍

@chrismillersrcfamily 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Love the vids. There are a lot of help. 2 thumbs up!!

@VerticalSpark101 10 жыл бұрын

I know its been a while since you have posted this video but thanks for all the help!

@CarminesRCTipsandTricks 5 жыл бұрын

...... It was a while, *4 YEARS ago????* 😢😵😱😵😱

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

You are the first person to make that connection after 1 million channel views! Yes I do prefer EDM, AvB is a favorite, and we did get the name idea from him, though our Armin is not named after AvB per se. I did send him a picture of infant son because I figured he would think that was cool, and he responded with a Dutch "congratulations" card, a nice addition to the scrapbook.

@anthonyperkins5856 8 жыл бұрын

thanks for the video. I just finished mine and it came out pretty good for the first time doing it.

@FPVDiverBomber 7 жыл бұрын

I'm about to make my second fpv noob tube...luv the armin wing!!!

@smaldo19 11 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for sharing.

@CarminesRCTipsandTricks 5 жыл бұрын

These are great ideas! Even just the way you do your leading edges, would be a good improvement!!

@bphillips06 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great instruction. After having the wings fold "again" on my V2 Raptor I just built a 2 piece 7" Armin Wing and mounted it to my FPV Raptor fuselage. I am running it with flaps and I also added some wing ends. It flys better than any plane I have flown yet.

@ayuminor 10 жыл бұрын

Your build technique is absolutely awesome! I, as a total beginner could build a great flying aircraft with no issues to speak of. Thanks so much for putting this much effort into making these videos.People like you make this community awesome!

@PfunkNH 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This video and the previous video are super informative.

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

Seems to do just fine with the tape pre-applied. Plus, you ever try covering an already-made wing or fuselage with packing tape? Maddening!

@ExperimentalAirlines 12 жыл бұрын

It's still an ongoing process and getting better all the time with practice. I made up the wing and tubular fuselage methods and worked on those by building 5 planes over about 3 months before posting the first videos last year. Probably 6 months before that I was toying around with some cambered wings that were not nearly as easy to build nor as effective but helped pave the way to the methods you see now.

@BlackPixxelDE 8 жыл бұрын

Very cool and simple explanation. Thanks alot! Now I have to decide between Armin wing or the KFM airfoil.

@leafyon 7 жыл бұрын

which length airfoil and wing span combo would you recommend? 30 in by 5 in? 40 by 5 in? 30 by 7? 40 by 7?

@AndrewCoonfield 10 жыл бұрын

this is my favorite scratch built straight wing design. Beautiful! I will let you know how it turns out. Just dropped $20 on Adams Foam. I love the modular fuselage design too.

@waydaminute4900 9 жыл бұрын

Hey Ed, thank you for all of your fabulous videos. You are an inspiration and a marvelous teacher. I'm blown away with all the ingenious techniques that you have developed and kindly shared with everyone. I'm excited because I have all the needed materials but cant decide what to build first! =) I'm leaning towards the Axon to start with. My brother and I are fairly new pilots and I was wondering if you could give me some tips on how to make the Armin wing able to fly or glide extremely slow? This would kind of give us more time to make corrections and avoid a dirt nap. Also, is there a version of the Armin wing with dihedral? We would love to have the self leveling attribute because of our noobness. Thanks again.

@carterlynch4104 5 жыл бұрын

yes that would be great.

@ExperimentalAirlines 10 жыл бұрын

I will do one but cannot promise when. However a very similar technique is used with Depron for the wing as for the fuselage tube, which I did do a video on recently. It's mostly about taping well and compressing the Depron inside the bends, ie: at the leading edge fold of the wing.

@waleswideman1 5 жыл бұрын

My wings lasted me the years. Getting ready to rebuild it

@ExperimentalAirlines 12 жыл бұрын

I would tape the whole thing before folding the 7" wing. You'll use up all but about 4" of foamboard, so you may "waste" a couple of tape applications, but I almost always find a use for that little pre-taped strip in some other place, like the fuselage tube joiner (tape facing in). Also see video on "Two Tone Color Wings" for some details on where to apply tape so it ends up right once the wing is folded.

@danielvcarvalho 11 жыл бұрын

Hello Ed, I really enjoyed your projects, so I decided to build the AXON. In my country I only found one place to buy the foam board. I have found it extremely difficult to take off the paper bonded to the foam. I thought about making some strong creases on the inside of the wing (maybe 3 or 4). Have some tips for me?!

@derekhenderson3405 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the videos! Building a 2/3 APD now.

@awshima 7 жыл бұрын

Hello Ed, thanks for all these very instructional videos. I'm getting ready to build my first Photon, and I'll be using Depron since we don't have Adams board here in Brasil. Have you tried vinil instead of tape for the foam covering? I saw those car wrap sheets at Banggood's site and they look awesome. There is an article at Flite testes site about a Mini Arrow wing with this material, but without any follow up about how it flew and if it was a good choice.

@MrEzplay 11 жыл бұрын

Great job nice videos!!!

@bobdaeronort 12 жыл бұрын

Excellent work.

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

No spar needed unless you were doing some nutty high-G turns at 80mph. I never put spars in the 30" wing version, even on my fastest planes. I once tested this at 8lb to wrinkle the wing at centerpoint.

@CONCEPTCOLABSYSTEMS 8 жыл бұрын

Nice love It !!!!!

@arminschaefer9981 6 жыл бұрын

Very cool! Being a professional pilot, of course I love this stuff, but I love the name even more! Armin

@thiago_oliv 11 жыл бұрын

This video is unique. Finally I will finish my low cost homemade Ugly Stick!

@theRCexperiment 12 жыл бұрын

Hey Ed, thanks for the great videos! I was wondering, i notice on both the wings and fuselages you leave the paper on in certain sections. If i were to make the wings or tubes with all the paper removed does that hurt the build of it? thanks!

@dracozny 6 жыл бұрын

In response to the comments asking for dimensions: If you do not add the 2in Former then using the 5-inch wing as an example. The top half will be 1/4" + 5" + the length of the Aileron which is probably 1.5". If you add the Top 2" Former you will want to add 1cm-1/4" to the length in order to maintain your desired Aileron length.

@waleswideman1 5 жыл бұрын

I built my glider two years ago with your armin wing. I e had to rebuild the fuselage several times but the wing is still holding up. Where u been waiting on some videos man

@mikewings 9 жыл бұрын

I really like this design.. I have designed a foamboard model of my full size RANS S7S and the original wing was patterned off of the basic FT STORCH design, but I never quite got it to fly right with that wing so I redesigned it with the Armin Wing and so far it looks pretty good. I have tested joining the wings with dihedral using the FT method. (tape and glue basically) and it seems to work pretty well. I wonder if you have built two piece wings with dihedral ??

@suffolked 11 жыл бұрын

I watched your video, ran out and grabbed 4 boards form Dollar tree and an hour later had a complete plane with control surfaces! I dont think Ill ever buy another KIT again ehehehe I tried a couple things differently like tapered the tail, solid block firewall with wood mound...plan to fly it next weekend THANKS!

@grahampuckeringf8240 9 жыл бұрын

Can't find ready bored in the UK any links for UK Amazon P.a thanks for the videos

@wx9dx 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Jimmy, ARRL TS, WX9DX

@torritoist 11 жыл бұрын

that is a fantastic invention!

@sunnyray7819 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you are still around but I really appreciate your Videos.... Super helpful!!!! Hope to see you in the future....

@SLOWPOKESOUTDOORS 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your helpful videos. With this axon, do you see a problem with a 30"x10" wing? To be used for super slow photography, don't care about acrobatics. Thanks.

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

I'd start with 30% of total chord rear of the leading edge but you can probably work it back to 40% with some caution. this is right about where the spar usually falls, and the thickest camber as well. You may already know, but always go nose heavy first and work back from there. I hope to see videos of your glider!

@rokotolj8869 8 жыл бұрын

Hey man it a realy good video thanks a loot

@richardcerni9996 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed, fantastic videos....I've learned a hell of a lot with your design concepts and techniques. I have one question about the spar location and formers. Why does the carbon spar get a top former (and then the wing fold over that) but only uses the bottom part of the wing as its bottom former. When flight pressure or forces are applied to the wing, especially in upright flight, wouldn't the force acting on the wing against the spar, act directly against the bottom section of the wing which is not as thick because it only contains the 6mm foam without an additional former for extra support. Am I getting to technical with this?

@NotRelevant1 6 жыл бұрын

Hey, I’m having trouble marking his out because i could find where you mentioned the length of the top piece in relation to the 5 inch wing cord. Because of the curve it i takes it will be longer of course, but by how much is unclear.

@fpswebstar 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your reply

@AARONJW84 11 жыл бұрын

great vid

@HansOlo0 10 жыл бұрын

Hey. Are you by any chance planing on doing a video with depron airfoil construction?

@fonwoolridge 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

I have usually used the 5" on my Noob Tubes but the 7" would probably actually be better on this plane with a short wingspan, especially if you're not an experienced pilot. Try it with two instead of three formers inside for a slightly thinner wing. You'll get somewhat more lift with negligible extra drag.

@71ninjasword 6 жыл бұрын

Very helpful. What is the reason to leave the paper on the bottom inside section? Is the paper left on the farmers too? Was going to try this with a swept wing.

@wertacus 12 жыл бұрын

awesome vid

@cbradsmith1 12 жыл бұрын

great job ...have you ever tried monocote or other shink rap for a covering and do you have any swept wing designs ?

@FastEasyLifeTips 8 жыл бұрын

fab vid thanks. Is 10mm foam too heavy for these planes? HK Aero. I have lots of it. Going for a spectre. Fat motor. Or your fpv design. thanks Ed

@765ihjg78ukhjg 8 жыл бұрын

how wide is the wing onfolded ?

@edolsonhelifreak 10 жыл бұрын

If I want to create a 30" long fuselage what should be my wingspan? I'm thinking mid or low wing. How do I determine dihedral?

@wademech 10 жыл бұрын

One of my most successful designs uses this wing with the 7' cord, 30' span, with a 30' firewall to tail-end fuselage. No dihedral. Don't be concerned about it. This wing design is incredibly stable.

@mohanhathi2803 5 жыл бұрын

A good rule of thumb is to have the fuselage length be 70 - 75% of your wingspan.

@vadamalaipillairengaraju8957 5 жыл бұрын

40"sould be good

@xkanight 12 жыл бұрын

Do you ever have issues of the ailerons warping? I think mine are warping up at the ends causing eratic flight characteristics. Is there anything you do to prevent warpage and single thickness foamboard?

@pipeman010156 12 жыл бұрын

Absolutly Brilliant,

@wonsnot 9 жыл бұрын

any tips on choosing whether to build the 5 or 7 inch wing?

@NWWsnapMOAB 10 жыл бұрын

you sir ! yea you the one with the wideo u are ewesome !!!

@TheOrangeWacko 12 жыл бұрын

Hey Ed, I have built the first half of the Armin wing for the Axon, but I don't think I did it the right way as you mentioned here... Basically what I did differently is that I measured 1 inch from the 5 inch mark and glued my 1 inch strips with the spar from there instead of starting from the bent. Will that be bad for the wing and mess up its aerodynamic qualities? Basically when you said its about 3/4" from the mark, well on my wing its actually 1" :) Do I need to redo this half? Thanks

@ExperimentalAirlines 12 жыл бұрын

The selective paper removal allows bending of the foamboard to occur in certain ways that results in the wing and tube shapes you see. They can be formed without paper but it takes a lot more diligence to make consistent parts. The weight savings by removing the paper is pretty small. Additionally the tape sticks permanently to the paper, only moderately to exposed foam.

@isquerdo1 8 жыл бұрын

Hello, good morning! Very good. Which type of tube used and measured? Thank you. I'm from Brazil. My greetings.

@Munky332 11 жыл бұрын

is there an easy way that you can think of to do the armin wing as a swept wing? i was thinking about instead of using a flat foam "core", using pre-cut balsa and/or foam (maybe even CF or FG) ribs then bending the foam over the ribs. then i could even do undercamber?

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

I would do exactly as you suggest in order to get the bends. FliteTest uses a variation of this for their wings. Most foamboard besides Dollar Tree tends to be a bit heavy so consider using a larger motor for your builds if that is the case. Where do you live?

@28th_St_Air 11 жыл бұрын

Hey Ed, almost done with my motor less photon and can't seem to find a reference to the wing CG points for the 5 or 7 inch wings. I presume its at the spar but perhaps you have a slightly better location ???

@helipigg 11 жыл бұрын

Ed, awesome tutorials. Is the CF spar a solid rod, or a hallow tube? Have you tried strips or smaller rods? I am trying to get cost down to lowest possible.

@ExperimentalAirlines 12 жыл бұрын

It will work! Just remove paper from the inner surface of the upper and lower wings, at least the part that needs to be bent, and possibly all of it. Measure everything with extra precision and glue the upper surface to the former after careful dry fitting and checking. It may be a little challenging to make a perfectly symmetrical pair of wings, but you can get pretty close with some patience.

@NaiburRahmanJoy 6 жыл бұрын

You are awesome... 😮

@WillAllen22 10 жыл бұрын

Impressive. No detail is left out of consideration.

@usarmyfl1 11 жыл бұрын

The KZfaq channel Flitetest just introduced a new scratch build video today and mentioned you and the Armin!

@flappiestflapper3752 8 жыл бұрын

Hi I have one question would the 7 inch sing generate enough lift for a trainer? The ratio is 5 x the chord is the wingspan ( the chord in dues the 1 inch flaps

@HansOlo0 10 жыл бұрын

That's awesome news sinve Depron if virtually the only foam i can get in italy without spending a fortune (it's about 80 euros for 20 sheets of 1250x800 mm, 6mm thik foam) I've just ordered a batch. I'll let you know how it goes after glueing few pieces together. BTW i really love your videos. keep it up ;)

@ExperimentalAirlines 11 жыл бұрын

Yes, the creasing technique leaves a wing camber that is less smooth but it does work, and does not require removing paper. Dollar Tree foamboard per 20"x30" sheet is: 60g without paper, 120g with paper, 140g with paper and packing tape on one side. So it is 0.3kg/m2 with paper only. Your foamboard is only 33% heavier, so not bad, it will probably work!

@rickgailjohnson2647 10 жыл бұрын

Where do you buy that packing tape? I have looked everywhere and can't find anything like it but duct-tape which is too rough and too heavy.

@MrOrangecrush007 12 жыл бұрын

Do you have to cover the top of the foam board with packing tape? thanks.

@JohnSmith-mc5zo 10 жыл бұрын

Can you make these in different airfoils by a specific formers inside the wing skin? Please cover this if you can.

@danielvcarvalho 11 жыл бұрын

Hello, thanks for the reply. I found a plane called babyblender in FliteTest site that has very similar wings (just the wing looks similar). Today I tried to crease a piece of foamboard and it seemed easy enough to do. The foamboard I have weighs approximately 0.4 kg per square meter. Any idea how much it weighs the Dollartreefoamforad? I'am from São Paulo, Brazil :-)

@mr.fredricklawngtawnghedav5094 2 жыл бұрын

Easy to understand instructions without any deviation from topic as in some other peoples videos who suffer from mental challenges.

@tomepixel 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks for info - yep been flying for long time :-) Thought I would build one for some re-lax'd flying . Maybe I build two , one with the 5" and one with the 7 " . Much obliged ...te

@ExperimentalAirlines 12 жыл бұрын

Cabelas is my source. $6 or less per arrow is pretty good. Pull the nocks out by twisting with pliers. Cut of the fletching with a utility knife. Usually 5 passes will take off the fin and all the residual plastic material. You can sand them too but the slick finish is actually kind of nice to leave on so they slide inside the wings more easily.

@user-uw4ge2lp5i 6 жыл бұрын

Hi ed,what is the material that making the spar from it

@NATHANBELDEN 12 жыл бұрын

got my first Armin Wing built and i wanted to ask you about the duck tape brand "sheets" that they sell on tape brothers. what do you think of them and their potential uses for these types of projects. Also, it seems that the black foam board does not flex the same way the white does. My black sheets just snap but the white ones do whatever i want it seems. Thoughts? Turns out im coming back to phx this weekend, maybe ill see you out there in the million degree heat!