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stop being so awful

Jason didn't give them an awful lot of opportunities

I believe that they didn't want to give details that could endanger the lives of police officers.

Came down here just to comment about this. Felt hella awkward

who knows? maybe one day?

@@ModernKnight We all hope so!

Idk, knights werent actually like they are depicted in those romantic stories, but were more like a bully to everyone

@@Komyets As opposed to the ever so loving and polite cops? Really, violent bullies protecting the landowners from the peasants fits both knights and police.

@@TheJohn4us Sorry to disapoint, but I only commented to share my opinion, not to raise an argument with someone.

haven't seen that before. definitely a must show!

That’s a flying/snatch squad shield. They bust out as a team and take town priority targets, then pull back behind the big shield bearers during a riot.

Just like what Jason has in the collection, could have compared the same size Buckler as comparison.

@@2862Gunny similar to Roman shield in shape and use.

I think the british and austrian police force mostly use these kinds of round shields. Most other european and western nations have rectangular ones, some longer some shorter.

Thanks!

Would be certainly interesting but for a armour to fit and function properly it has to be tailored exactly to the needs of the wearer so it wouldn´t fit them, it would be heavier because the weight isn´t distributed correctly and it may be very uncomfortable because of sheets pressing into your body.

@@DangeHD perhaps apply modern armor construction technology and tactics. Add shock absorbing layers within the armor, a cooled shirt to regulate temperature for a period of time, segment armor plates and layer them over one another for more mobility without reducing protection, etc.

@@1597B I know this is an ancient comment in terms of youtube, but I thought you might find it interesting to know a lot of modern H.E.M.A. competitive gear is going this way, look up the pro gauntlets by CrossGuard as an example, aside form the cooled shirts because the big issue with most of the modern tech like it is that you either have to replace it between rounds (which is a big faff if you have 6 layers on and you only get 2 minuts between rounds) or there's a risk of the tubing snapping under the pressure of the blows meaning you automaically get disqualified for gear failure, so most of us just put up with the heat

Medieval armor is too heavily tailored to be able to share with anyone other than the individual it was made for.

Tell that to my Skyrim character.

You must have seen the state of Jason's arming jacket and coif... I wouldn't inflict that on another person! Haha

Indeed. I was shocked at how directional the protection is. You don’t want people knowing that. If the policemen had known that police would be being assaulted and set on fire a few years later, they probably wouldn’t have participated in this video. I highly doubt that Marxist thugs would be watching a channel like this, though.

@@Austin1990 It isn't possible or desirable to keep secret.

It's also preventing them from undoing the velcro

@@mrdimitroff : It would be possible to cut through it & undo the velcro, but that would create evidence that the person has a knife because they've cut something with it.

@@Austin1990 : The CoP has in recent times come round to your mindset, & told various officers off for sharing footage of training on Twitter. On philosophical grounds, I take the opposite stance. I don't think we want to create an air of mystery & secrecy around the police: the trust of the public is far too precious, & secrecy symbolises that the public is not trusted. How can the police ensure the public's trust if they so symbolically do not trust the public?

The downside is that .5 of a millimeter of steel is still protective and that thin a plastic shell usually isn't. I'd still be very keen to see a recreation, that sounds incredibly cool.

@TheRaptorsClaw Of course .5mm of plastic isn't effective. It's about Relative resistances vs weight not thickness.

If it were disposable, however I suspect it is not.

jan jensen that style of police shield would be used by arrest squads. The police also use a rectangular shield similar in size and shape to the shield used by Roman legionaries.

It's pretty much a rotella.

One is a munitions grade armor and the other is a tailored one, so the difference in coverage probably comes from that

The threat model is far different. Far fewer (but not unheard of, sadly) ranged pointed/bladed weapons. Most threats in a public order situation are either missiles, fire or blunt trauma.

Yeah, I thought Jason would tell the riot cop to get into medieval armor and together they would comment about how different each armor set is.

@@hizzaddinno394 he explained in the previous videos how a plate armour has to be tailored to a man's body. Its very specific measurements makes it unsutable for bein donned by someone else without some modification.

well except medieval battlefields had a lot more maces, axes and polearms which most riots tend not to be used much these days. and cavalry charges don't generaly get anywhere near as nasty as they used to because most police don't used swords or lances to break up crowds anymore.

Also the police are usually attacking civilians who do not have any weapons or armour. I think a closer equivalence is sending medieval cavalry against villagers who dont even have pitchforks

Glad you enjoyed it!

a 10 years ago we made jokes about th anto castor-demos being supported by medieval reenactors rowing up the Ilmenau with their boats and doing a proper shieldwall against the police :D

There's two kinds of shields. Both are used. The big roman rectangle is used in formations because you can interlock them together and build shield walls to protect from thrown objects and deny access. The smaller buckler is used when you break formation and charge the piss out of someone. Smaller shield still gives you protection and is lighter but won't weigh you down when you're sprinting at some asshole who's pissed his team lost an important game for the twentieth consecutive year.

Medieval armor was smooth in order to encouraged pointed and bladed weapons to glance off rather than catching on a surface and concentrating force onto that point. So it really can’t be corrugated

Yeah interesting. I subbed a few days ago and he’s gone up by around 8k in that time.

It's up to 136k. comment says it was a month ago, not sure how accurate. the channel's really blowing up

These questions brought on by realizing that the evolution of armor never stopped ... meaning there was once a weird time when a soldier might deal with guns... or swards, axes, maces, and the like... depending on who he's fighting ... must have been a strange time, and that made me wonder... what if we never invented guns but had all the rest of modern tech... what would armor be like today? For that matter what was it like to be a soldier at a time when swards weren't extinct from the battlefield yet guns were already more advanced than rocket arrows ... more like modern guns... I assume there was some overlap. That had to be the strangest time ever to be a soldier. By the US civil war we had virtually no armor, swards and guns ... but there had to be a time (probably just before that) when guns recognizable as guns in the modern sense saw the same battlefield as something like full plate armor. That's dawning on me and my curiosity is peaked also my curiosity is piqued as well... For the unaware: (peak = at it's top most point... piqued = excited. Just for fun I define one more homophone... peeked is to have taken a quick glance.) [EDIT: I wrote this before finishing the video... after watching I still don't feel it's answered.]

@@binaryglitch64 Probably a very interesting transitional time was the mid 1600s. By then you had flintlock guns, which enabled sustained fire while armor was still around. As thickness of armor grew to stop gunfire, where that was attempted, the number of pieces worn declined. You saw the full suit decrease to mostly upper body and some tassets, then before long, just a cuirass and maybe helmet.

RamblerReb it'll be the officers ID number.

@@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819 Aaaahhh...

@@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819 understandable to not have stupid YT-doofies call false cases against that officer.

Probably because the plates can get unstrapped by enemies too easily when exposed.

@@QoraxAudio yes, I thought about that, good point. But at the same time. I've never seen anyone trying to detach a riot police's armor. Basically because they normally beat them down and they use a large rectangular shield. (IDK)

@@Velkan1396 True, it would probably make more sense to just grab behind the plates when not strapped tight enough to get them out of balance. Or just reach for their police baton instead, if that's still sheathed. The police force over here (Netherlands) had an update with their batons and sheathes recently, enabling enemies to just break the baton lose from the sheathe by pulling really hard. Maybe that's an option for British criminals as well hehe Btw, the small round shield from the video somehow looks more like part of arrest equipment IMO, since arrests often happen in tight spaces like small civilian houses, so shields need to be compact and mobile. The big transparent square shields like you mentioned make more sense indeed.

@@Velkan1396 the suit on top of the armour is more useful for dealing with fire and other environmental hazards rather then protection from other people

knights and such also often had clothes that would go over their armour as well, usually displaying their insignia and such, and sometimes looking cool. similar for the police in a way, they need to be able to show they're police.

British police have never used firearms, of any type, on the mainland of the UK during a public order/riot style event.

I think the only place ive ever seen a gun drawn by police during a riot is the u.s

@@muttonchops2232 I worked on the airport and they're regularly out, presumably ready to be fired if necessary.

@@tomwebb3081 It’s rare for the police in European countries to carry a gun, but it does happen in certain circumstances. My brother-in-law’s brother-in-law is a dog handler in the Norwegian police, and he’s said that he’d much rather have his dog with him than a gun.

I think the police overall is about fire protection mostly, but also visibly bulks up the wearer to make them appear more intimidating. The police are mostly defensive in nature, at least here in the UK.

Yes there are. "Tummeln" as you call it in German, so the various kinds of -very- collected canter. So two beat gallop on the spot, going sideways or backwards. That 's quite important. The old riding master from the Renaissance write a lot about these movements.

Angus Scott Dickins something I’ll look into soon. One issue I have though is that most horse training reference only goes back to the renaissance, not much into the medieval period in Western Europe at least. There is a lot of fancy work in high school dressage, which I train in, and loads of complex words, I’m looking into the medieval side of it.

he has done, to a degree. Assessing the medieval steel plating and carbon plating against modern firearms. Not sure if the video is still up though.

Maybe an athletic cup that they'd wear under their clothes.

jockstrap?

lol

not really, a knights suit of armor is a Faraday cage.

@@Erpyrikk Hi Erik. Doesn't a Faraday cage have to be made out of copper to be effective?

@@Erpyrikk Hi Erik. Would you really risk wearing an all-metal suit during a thunderstorm? Not me!

@@begonnne Nope, any conducive material will do. A car is basically a rolling faraday cage, for example.

yes he has some interesting views. I'm not sure I'd describe the shield as the main weapon, but it can certainly lead an attack. not goign to do much damage against an armoured person though unless you manage to hit the unprotected face. He also talks about duelling a lot, which is different to battlefield combat of course.

@@ModernKnight Yes all of this is quite true. Altough about armor, there were plenty of unprotected areas in the viking age not just the face. And from the sources we have the scandinavian warriors of that period didn't seem to wear a lot of padding. Your exploiting weapon would be either a spear (which can pierce through mail rings) or an axe or a viking sword (which both have a lot of heft and would break bones undernieth mail as written in the sagas) I'd say considering the weapons and armor of the time armor is not so much of a problem. And arguably those weapons were predominantly used for duels. Raids didn't oppose much resistance and battles were rare and fought in usually low numbers. But you are right about battlefield use. During battle the sources we have describe the main use of round shields: Shield walls. In battle those would be used mainly in formations, using probably spears between shields to inflict damage so yes then the shield would be used pretty much the same way police shields are used in anti-riot formation so exactly as you said.

The issue I have with shield edge used as an attack is that it doesn't hurt at all unless it hits specific areas. I've been in mock combat with blunt wooden swords and real shields, and strikes to anything but the face or maybe the fingers or feet just does not much at all. We tried. The biomechanics are not good.

​@@ModernKnight As you can see in demonstrations from Roland Warzecha, the shield edge is not used to deal damage, the shield is used to fence and bind but the damage is dealt with the exploiting weapon. Strikes with the shield edge are used to stun, block an arm or push to put off balance, not to deal damage. That's still your sword/axe/spear's job

I agree, and that's why it's not your main weapon. Maybe there's some confusion over the meaning of the word 'weapon'? In my understanding it's a tool used for combat that is designed to do damage.

Because the way it is used and the things it has to withstand are a lot more similar to what medieval armour had to go through.

police riot armor and full plate armor have a similar purpose to fight in melee

Maybe its easier to get hold of a police officer with riot gear than a solider with combat gear? Some of that armour might still be classified.

@@crusaderofthelowlands3750 On a personal note I say military armour because like then and now armour gets abused blooded,sweat on and general wear and tear , Police armour has only limited use...

@@tannerpace3703 All armour is designed for melee my friend ! I would never condone anyone standing still whilst being shot at !

The violent will always attempt to take and bully by force. And, without an opposite and equal force to resist it, the violent would quickly seize power. Violence is the worst option, but it is sometimes the only option. Coercion-based governance is a different topic because even a truly peaceful government would need defense of this nature.

It’s to obscure the specific police number for security reasons.

it's mid 15th, so medieval. In England medieval ends in 1485 with the death of Richard III at Boswoth field. In other places it as late as 1515 and the fall of constantinople.

It had a police ID number on it which they didn't want showed if I remember.

yeah, even a 60 pound bow will penetrate that armor, a mace or a staff will still shatter your bones and well, a shield+spear will get around your weak areas without padding easily

I avoided saying it in the video, but the protection they have has huge gaps. I was very surprised.

@@ModernKnight probably because of what they would be fighting. An angry mob probably won't have spears.

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@@kirwitch8236 Good grief. Chill out grammar cop.

Yea. They work for rich and mighty :)

@@peterdes6792 The difference is that the knights were the rich and mighty

you might want to look up wat tyler's rebellion if you haven't already

Trojanette83 The police armour is clearly based on what has worked before, and where the most vulnerable parts of a human body are. After all, the human body hasn’t really changed all that much in a few centuries, so things like the helmet have to fit the same constraints, which fixes the shape and maximum weight.

The sallet (the knightHelmet) has a similar design to the german military helmets (For this reason Star Wars used them as inspiration for the villans). This design is also used for most modern military helmets aswell as for firefighers and police.

@@DammalleNamenweg Interesting. We don't have anything that looks remotely close to either a "RoboCop" movie design or StarWars Storm Trooper helmut use, in my country.