Fairey Barracuda: The troubled torpedo bomber

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Жыл бұрын

Few aircraft draw as much derision as the Fairey Barracuda. It was built to be "all things to all people" - a torpedo bomber that was also a competent dive bomber and reconnaissance platform.
But its development was troubled from the start.
It was originally intended to be the recipient of a new generation of Rolls Royce engines specifically built for Fleet Air Arm needs - the four-cylinder-bank "Exe" (Boreas). But this was cancelled as part of the war emergency program to focus efforts on fewer projects.
It was then supposed to get the Rolls Royce Griffon engine - the successor to the Merlin. But the Royal Air Force over-ruled the Royal Navy in the priority lists.
So the Barracuda was left desperately underpowered.
And that was before fatal problems began to emerge with its structural rivets and main spar joints ...
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@binaway
@binaway Жыл бұрын
Upon seeing a Barracuda and USN liaison on a RN carrier commented " It's an amazing flying machine but it will never replace the airplane".
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
When a Barracuda from HMS Illustrious flew its captain over to meet the captain of USS Saratoga during Operation Diplomat in the Indian Ocean, one US leftenant was heard the say ... 'Jesus, the Limeys'll be building airplanes next!'
@randlerobbertson8792
@randlerobbertson8792 Жыл бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers the correct word actually is - aeroplane.
@redskindan78
@redskindan78 Жыл бұрын
@@randlerobbertson8792 Ha! To a USN lieutenant, pronounced "lew-ten-ant" it was "airplane"! (Or "aircraft")
@waltermiller4274
@waltermiller4274 Жыл бұрын
@@randlerobbertson8792
@Ralph-yn3gr
@Ralph-yn3gr Жыл бұрын
You know, I'm starting to question the FAA's decision to name all their strike aircraft after creatures that spend their entire lives underwater...
@Neaptide184
@Neaptide184 Жыл бұрын
No wonder Brits worked so hard to figure out how to fly and land Corsairs on carriers. Their procurement options were, “A. it wasn’t a bad aircraft, but it’s wings had the habit of dropping off, and b. It’s top speed is 90 miles an hour……” The US Navy’s approach was, “Hmmmm. We don’t need to land the Corsair on a deck because we have Hellcats which our pilots like better.” What an amazing group of men in the Royal Navy during this time. Hats off to a remarkable group.
@Otokichi786
@Otokichi786 Жыл бұрын
If you had a naval fighter craft that could fly at 400MPG, you'd try everything you could think of to make it a "workable carrier escort/interceptor.) I recall a description of the Barracuda, "it was armed with a torpedo," which made me wonder what the pilot was supposed to do if he got face to face with a Bf 109 or a Kriegsmarine float plane.
@MagicIVFR
@MagicIVFR Жыл бұрын
​@@Otokichi786 My father a Barracuda pilot, had a friendly encounter with a Spitfire that tried to bounced him. He took flap and turned the Barracuda inside the Spitfire which was not able to bring the aircraft into his gun sites. The Spitfire pilot tried and tried but eventually gave up. It would have been the same for any BF109 etc. Big, not fast, but manoeuvrable enough to frustrate any attacker that couldn't manage a surprise attack.
@theodoresmith5272
@theodoresmith5272 Жыл бұрын
British tanks were worse then the planes. Way behind until very late in the war.
@jollyjohnthepirate3168
@jollyjohnthepirate3168 Жыл бұрын
Brave men. It's nice to actually hear the voices of these men. Unfortunately, many of them are no longer with us today.
@davidcooper5442
@davidcooper5442 Жыл бұрын
My Father was one of those who actually enjoyed flying the Barracuda. He also flew the Seafire and Seafury
@simoncullum5019
@simoncullum5019 Жыл бұрын
Did he fly a Barracuda after he had flown the Seafire and Sea Fury ?
@offshoretomorrow3346
@offshoretomorrow3346 Жыл бұрын
Flying a Barracuda must be like flying a Seafire with a dead Seafury on its back.
@davidcooper5442
@davidcooper5442 Жыл бұрын
@@simoncullum5019 I know that he loved the Sea Fury but Hated the Seafire. The Seafire undercarriage was a hopeless thing on board a ship. Too narrow and not robust enough for heavy seas
@MagicIVFR
@MagicIVFR Жыл бұрын
My Father as well enjoyed piloting the Barracuda.
@MartinMcAvoy
@MartinMcAvoy Жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this video. It is almost impossible to imagine the courage of the aircrew, who flew an aircraft they knew was hopeless for the job they had to do. It seems that more of them were killed by the plane itself, than in actual combat.
@peterbrazier7107
@peterbrazier7107 Жыл бұрын
I used to know an RAF fitter who was at Boscomb Down when Barracudas were having flight trials, he told me that one went into a dive, the engine carried on down when the plane pulled out of the dive.
@markfryer9880
@markfryer9880 Жыл бұрын
Sounds quite believable!
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 Жыл бұрын
Peter Brazier....What a funny mental picture that makes...!!
@memonk11
@memonk11 Жыл бұрын
ALWAYS great to hear from the men that were there.
@davidrendall7195
@davidrendall7195 Жыл бұрын
The 'Big Barra' was beset with problems - it was originally designed around the weight and thrust specifications for the Rolls Royce 24cylinder Exe engine, but when development was halted on that, the Mk.1 ended up with the Merlin 30. Not only was this significantly less powerful, it was lighter and produced less torque through a smaller propellor disc. So not only was their less power to get out of trouble, the airframe was unbalanced and shook itself to pieces. The wing spars failures and tail unit failures were linked to stress fractures caused by this imbalance as the twist to counteract the Exe's greater torque shimmied in the Merlin's slipstream. Another problem was as stated the change from stable biplanes to a high wing monoplane, it took instructors by surprise. The Swordfish and Albacore were so stable, if one got into trouble the smart thing was to release the stick and let the aircraft right itself. Try that in an unbalanced, high wing, high tail Barra and it flipped upside down. A design flaw was the priority on a good view for the observer, which dictated the high wing. The observer did indeed get a superb view from a pair of bay windows amidships, but the cost was high - the Fairey-Youngman flaps were now well above most of the slipstream and thrust of the propellor, which gave them a significant increase in lift. At higher speeds if the pilot retracted the flaps in anything other than straight and level, the sudden loss of trim would push it over into an uncontrolled departure.
@timwingham8952
@timwingham8952 Жыл бұрын
The book Barracuda Pilot by Dunstan Hadley is essential reading for anyone with an interest in this aeroplane. Although maligned by many, the book shows the Barracuda in an honest and at times humourous light. It was an aeroplane designed to be too many things at once and subsequently had unique looks and flying characteristics. But; a now sadly deceased ex FAA Barracuda TAG family friend said of them (as the book regularly implies) that once a pilot properly knew the aircraft, it was capable of performing well. Incidentally the footage between 0:43 and 0:48 isn't a Barracuda. It's an Amercian Douglas Dauntless under FAA evaluation with twin American 0.30" Brownings.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
Yoikes, didn't notice that. I should have. It didn't have that crazy upward folding canopy ...
@ivorbiggun710
@ivorbiggun710 Жыл бұрын
And it did manage to drop a couple of AP bombs on Tirpitz.
@AndrewGivens
@AndrewGivens 8 ай бұрын
@@ivorbiggun710 From what I've read, it was a slightly more than fifty percent hit rate against 'Tirpitz'? That's on a par with the Skua's performance against Konigsberg (which was smaller and had a slightly lower direct hit rate in that raid) as a dive-bomber. Both planes maligned and both could dive-bomb well.
@rod4095
@rod4095 Жыл бұрын
Great to hear the pilot/crew voices
@David-wk6md
@David-wk6md Жыл бұрын
So nice to hear the voices of the men who flew them
@richardclark4440
@richardclark4440 Жыл бұрын
I'm very grateful for this being posted, my dad flew in these and never said much about it. Brave men.
@michaeldebellis4202
@michaeldebellis4202 Жыл бұрын
“They couldn’t find anything wrong with it” Sounds like what software developers tell users after the release of a bad product”that’s not a bug, it’s a feature” I love the matter of fact tone of the Brit pilots “it wasn’t such a bad plane… there was a problem with the wings staying on”
@peabase
@peabase Жыл бұрын
That reminds me of a joke about a prototype airplane that keeps shedding its wings. After witnessing several crashes, a concerned citizen pays a visit to the factory and tells the designers to perforate the wings at the spot where they keep breaking off. Out of sheer desperation, the designers give it a try -- and the wings stay on. When asked how this can possibly work, the guy explains that he's in charge of perforating toilet paper at the local paper mill, and toilet paper never breaks off where it's supposed to.
@harrisionstan3773
@harrisionstan3773 Жыл бұрын
"Weighs six tons, got no front guns, fuck all to rely on. What will we do with the Barracuda II. Old iron, old iron" A ditty I remember reading in a collection of WW II poems/dittys.
@seannordeen5019
@seannordeen5019 Жыл бұрын
I think the Barracuda would have been considered state of the art had it come into operational service in '39 to '40 (as it was from a '37 program), but only a prototype flew in '40. Looks like another typical case of the British giving priority to the RAF programs, some of which was justified, but others not so much. So the Barracuda didn't come into service til '43, which is about the time an aircraft, with its specs, really should have been starting to be replaced in the fleet. By then, it was inferior to the already operational Grumman Avenger (except for dive bombing, which the Avenger wasn't really designed for since the US Navy had a dedicated dive bomber) which had come into service in '42 (despite being a later 1940 program).
@DONALDSON51
@DONALDSON51 Жыл бұрын
The way he so matter of factly says 'The wings kept dropping off, which wasn't the best of things ' :)
@DaveGIS123
@DaveGIS123 Жыл бұрын
My dad trained to fly Catalinas in Oban, Scotland,. Nearby there was a torpedo range where Barracudas and other bombers would practice their business. He said of all the aircrew he'd met, the torpedo bomber crews had it the worst. Typically, he said, he'd be walking down from the hotel where he was billeted to the dock to catch the boat to his Catalina when he'd hear a crash, and the sirens would go off and the flags would go up, and he knew another torpedo bomber had "pranged".
@kidmohair8151
@kidmohair8151 Жыл бұрын
you've made another gem with the voices of the men who flew them. kudos!
@luvr381
@luvr381 Жыл бұрын
"If it looks right, it flies right." The Barracuda looks almost French.
@ericadams3428
@ericadams3428 Жыл бұрын
Belgian may be more accurate in view of the designer, Marcel Lobelle
@owen368
@owen368 Жыл бұрын
Well thats not optimal.
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot Жыл бұрын
G'day, Ah, well, y'know how it is... The Fairey Fox was a World Leader, a Private Venture SO good the Air Ministry were Forced..., to order them - but they retaliated by only ordering ONE Squadron of Foxes....; Belgium bought more Foxes than Britain did... As pennance, Fairey watched Hawker and Westland and Bristol and Gloster get all the Contracts, until they toed the line and stuck to Specifications, and got Contracts to build shitpotsful of Battles, with a Crew of 3, 500 pounds of Bombs and a motor out of a Mk-1 Spitfire ; so it was useless. A Battle with a Hook was a Fulmar, and leaving the Bomb-Aimer behind made it a "Fighter" (?), equally useless. The Swordfish was sufficiently eccentric as to be surprisingly functional and effective ; but the Albacore was bloody insane, and the Buccaneer was a Monoplane version of the Albacore - but still with a Battle's ancient Merlin. Finally they put a Griffon in the Fulmar, called in a Firefly..., and that was almost "useful" by the end of the War of Two - and after that Piston Hairygoplanes were going out of Fashion, for declaring "Waaauughhh(!)..." while sitting within, and pursueing the King's Enemies therefrom... Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@bernardedwards8461
@bernardedwards8461 Жыл бұрын
Not always true. The Whitely looked awkward, but for a pre-war bomber its statistics were quite good, including a 7,000 lb bombload.
@keithgoodrick-meech3921
@keithgoodrick-meech3921 Жыл бұрын
😂 lmao.
@lunaticfringe8066
@lunaticfringe8066 Жыл бұрын
Great content as always. Love listening to the original interviews.
@avipatable
@avipatable Жыл бұрын
Superb, I love the old interviews. I love these guys humour and understatement. Very surprised to hear the compliments...!
@jonathanmoeg1202
@jonathanmoeg1202 Жыл бұрын
Bit of a revelation that. The test pilot who flew it once was dismissive but, tellingly, the guys who flew it operationally not so much.
@ollimoore
@ollimoore Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanmoeg1202 I’d have thought that a test pilot would have a much, much better idea of how good or bad it was compared to other aircraft. That being said, either could be biased by experience with other types. A test pilot who also flies high performance fighter aircraft might be biased towards thinking the Barracuda is underpowered, but equally a RN pilot with no fighter experience transitioning from the previous (biplane) generation of bombers might not have the overview to truly understand how bad it is. Plus there’s potentially a sort of survivor bias, I could imagine that someone who had nursed their machine back on many occasions and had never been failed by it personally might have a certain fondness for it. The ones who ended up in the drink would probably be a bit more negative, but they aren’t available for comment……
@jonathanmoeg1202
@jonathanmoeg1202 Жыл бұрын
@@ollimoore Interesting and thoughtful comment, cheers.
@HydroSnips
@HydroSnips Жыл бұрын
Remembering the anecdote of the chap who passed out behind the controls of one because due to some flaw his cockpit was on the receiving end of a fine mist of hydraulic fluid. Came to to find himself in a spin hurtling towards the ground and recovered, though as can be imagined the experience was yet another blow to the pilot’s gradually-eroding endurance.
@alanpearson7554
@alanpearson7554 Жыл бұрын
I remember this story, the aviator had hundreds of deck operations on Swordfish on the arctic convoys, after his first flight in a barracuda he decided enough was enough. I believe it was some type of coolant that is also used as an anaesthetic.
@RB-qq1ky
@RB-qq1ky Жыл бұрын
@@alanpearson7554 Although ‘hydraulic system’ is technically correct, the ether was used as a transmitting medium between the transducer on the engine and the gauge itself (it was a sealed system), rather than plumb say, engine oil all the way from the engine to the cockpit gauge. Also used on contemporary engine temperature gauges where the expansion of the fluid with temperature increase was used to drive the indicator.
@rossmansell5877
@rossmansell5877 10 ай бұрын
Think it was Lord Kilbracken (John Godley DSC.,)authour of Bring back my Stringbag.
@johnjephcote7636
@johnjephcote7636 Жыл бұрын
My father (an RAF LAC) saw a wooden model in a shop window made by someone who had seen one flying when it was still on a secret list. There was quite a kerfuffle later on when it had to be hidden. A visiting American saw these kites on one of our carriers and asked "You Limeys build aircraft?" (one appreciates his tone of disbelief on seeing a Barracuda).
@bluevanimaging9998
@bluevanimaging9998 Жыл бұрын
Excellent selection of genuine reminiscences, much more authentic than a lot of KZfaq channels. I found this especially interesting having had a late uncle who was an FAA pilot flying Albacores (in the western desert and during the invasion of Sicily) and then Barracudas (the Merlin engined ones during Operation Tungsten and Griffon engined Mk5s for a while post war. What an incredible generation.
@johnappleby405
@johnappleby405 Жыл бұрын
Unique footage and interviews excellent piece. For every Spitfire and Mosquito there was a Barracuda and a Manchester! Hats off to the crews. I wonder how many men and how much material were lost flying and building this monster
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 Жыл бұрын
Manchester's were pretty useful considering what was developed out of them
@JohnnySmithWhite-wd4ey
@JohnnySmithWhite-wd4ey 10 ай бұрын
I love hearing the voices of these brave men. Sadly most of these fine gentlemen are gone now.
@tiptoptechno
@tiptoptechno Жыл бұрын
Another great episode, many thanks!
@Squad23jta
@Squad23jta Жыл бұрын
When were these interviews recorded? I would imagine that most of these aircrew and pilots are now in their very late 90s or early 100s if they are still with us. Keep up the great work.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
Over the past 50 or so years. They can be found at the Imperial War Museum.
@Squad23jta
@Squad23jta Жыл бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers That's great. Thanks for the info.
@stephenmcdonald7908
@stephenmcdonald7908 Жыл бұрын
To the tune of Any old iron. Weighs 6tons no front guns f**k all to rely on. You know what you can do with the Barracuda 2 old iron old iron.
@harrisionstan3773
@harrisionstan3773 Жыл бұрын
Beat me too it by 3 full days!
@robertmarsh3588
@robertmarsh3588 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, thank you. Sadly the RN had to suffer many inadequate aircraft, several of them from Fairey. I wonder if the Barracuda would have been a better success if it had the intended Griffon ? No wonder the American aircraft were so welcomed...
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
I suspect not. The Barracuda was an aerodynamicist's nightmare ... and that was before they started adding all the "bits" like radar aerials etc that inevitably made it worse!
@alantoon5708
@alantoon5708 Жыл бұрын
The old Profile Books series had a very good volume on the Barracuda.
@tomhutchins7495
@tomhutchins7495 Жыл бұрын
The Griffon would have helped with the power issue. However looking up the specs on the Merlin 32 that should not have been a bad engine: the fact that the plane was so underpowered suggests weight and aerodynamics played a big part in its performance woes. Though the 32 is a dedicated low-altitude engine, so those stories being overwhelmingly from the Pacific where the heat affects density altitude, effectively making the plane run like it's at higher altitude and lose power suggests it may have been a poor choice.
@AndrewGivens
@AndrewGivens 8 ай бұрын
@@tomhutchins7495 I have to imagine they thought at some point early on "Navy aircraft don't need to operate at high altitude" - and then the Far East, with tropical heat and the mountainous East Indies happened. Would have been acceptable on the Murmansk runs.
@RichardGoth
@RichardGoth Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Interesting to hear all the different opinions, sounds like a perfect storm of steep learning curve, gremlins and a fundamentally flawed engine choice that spoilt an OK plane that was tasked with too many roles
@bernardedwards8461
@bernardedwards8461 Жыл бұрын
Was that Capt. Winkle Brown who gave a favourable account of the Barracuda? I have great faith in Winkle Brown's judgement as he was such anexperienced airman, but I expect he would be prepared to admit that the Barracuda was underpowered, as were many aircraft of those days. I am doubtful that the wings were in the habit of breaking off in flight, as some critics allege. The first Typhoons were liable to break up in the air, but the problem was soon fixed and it became a reliable plane.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
No, it was not. It wasn't able to find a useable audio clip from "Winkle" for the Barracuda.
@iancarr8682
@iancarr8682 Жыл бұрын
A real world beater?! Respect to the crews.
@MagicIVFR
@MagicIVFR Жыл бұрын
A really very good video. Thank you. My Father, D. L. Hadley (RN Barracuda pilot) would have enjoyed it. At minute 13:25 the air to ground shot was taken during the Sigli Raid, Northern Sumatra, on 18 September 1944, in which my Father at the age of 23, participated. Smoke following the bomb bursts can be seen over the target area.
@Redhand1949
@Redhand1949 Жыл бұрын
You really have great content. Do keep it up!
@Jpdt19
@Jpdt19 Жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff. Thank you as always!! And merry Christmas to you
@randlerobbertson8792
@randlerobbertson8792 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting to hear the old sweats talking about this intriguing aeroplane. My dad was in the RAF during WW2 first bomber command then coastal command as ground crew working on all sorts of aeroplanes too. He worked on these also but, the worst he ever saw, was the Blackburn Botha - he said was lethal to its own crew in pretty much all regards and also the Saro Lerwick 'an absolute pig of a flying boat' he said.
@Knight6831
@Knight6831 Жыл бұрын
I think it a fair assessment that the British got frigating unlucky as the Fairey Barracuda needed to enter service in 1942 as planned instead of the 10th of January 1943 9 days after the Grumman Avenger joined the British Royal Navy on New year's day 1943
@davewolfy2906
@davewolfy2906 Жыл бұрын
Blinking brilliant. Every time.
@Glen.Danielsen
@Glen.Danielsen Жыл бұрын
Outstanding channel! Great concept to have all the thoughtful commentary from Pilot veterans. Cheers from the States. 🇺🇸💛🇬🇧
@peterdavy6110
@peterdavy6110 Жыл бұрын
My father, a FAA Leading Air Mechanic, said they were a pig to work on as the engine was so high off the deck and the wings were prone to all sorts of trouble.
@jonathanwheeler4767
@jonathanwheeler4767 Жыл бұрын
A friend Was a TAG on the barracuda and had many story's of their adventures flying from Hatson and the Furious Alan Thompson great Guy RIP
@Knight6831
@Knight6831 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I suspect the Fairey Barracuda was not the aircraft the British Royal Navy were planning to have as i suspect the Fairey Spearfish was what the Royal Navy really wanted
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 Жыл бұрын
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Merlin 32 V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 1,640 hp (1,220 kW)
@hazchemel
@hazchemel Жыл бұрын
Yes ..... mind boggling phlegmatic stoic courage.
@DONALDSON51
@DONALDSON51 Жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas thanks for another great video
@lookeast3047
@lookeast3047 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic film - thank you.
@uflux
@uflux Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Great video 👍
@DONALDSON51
@DONALDSON51 Жыл бұрын
Top Christmas present. Cheers :)
@crusader5989
@crusader5989 Жыл бұрын
Excellent channel!
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 Жыл бұрын
The magazine: Worker And War-Front Magazine, sure did a good job of making the Barracuda look like an incredible plane, and the music was a big part of it. And calling the plane "the wolf of the sea" was funny. Maybe more like "the goldfish in the pond".
@MothaLuva
@MothaLuva Жыл бұрын
More like a carp in a goldfish pond.
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 Жыл бұрын
@@MothaLuva .....Good one..!!
@alantoon5708
@alantoon5708 Жыл бұрын
The fact that it was largely replaced by the Avenger speaks volumes.
@AnonNomad
@AnonNomad Жыл бұрын
To be fair, the Avenger was an amazing aircraft that would have replaced pretty much any torpedo bomber in every WW2 navy. Maybe not the Firefly.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
Firefly wasn't a torpedo bomber, though. And the Corsair would have given it a decent run for its money in the ground attack role. But it was still "useful" enough to stay in service for quite a while after the war.
@AnonNomad
@AnonNomad Жыл бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers Which one am I thinking of? Fulmar or Barracuda? Christmas drinks eroding my mind. Merry Christmas by the way!
@TankBuilders
@TankBuilders Жыл бұрын
It’s a common myth that the Barracuda was replaced by the Avenger. In Europe, Barrcuda remained embarked on the Fleet carriers in the strike role, alongside Avengers which were embarked on the Escort carriers in the recce/ASW role. It’s true that Somerville, in command of the Eastern Fleet, was critical of the shorter range of the Barracuda and used Avengers for the later “Club Run” attacks but 72 Barracudas were embarked on four Light Fleet Carriers at the end of the war for the British Pacific Fleet for Op Olympic. Barracudas served on as the Mk V post war.
@offshoretomorrow3346
@offshoretomorrow3346 Жыл бұрын
Short range - combined with that gigantic wing volume is quite an achievement
@raymondyee2008
@raymondyee2008 Жыл бұрын
Well it wouldn't surprise me if the British Pacific Fleet pilots were thankful that they were flying Avengers instead of Barracudas.
@andrewhotston983
@andrewhotston983 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating.
@timhancock6626
@timhancock6626 Жыл бұрын
I think the most telling comment is " It was supposed to have the Rolls Royce Griffon engine, but the RAF pinched them all" . Without any power you were stuffed whichever way you look at it.
@MonstroLab
@MonstroLab Жыл бұрын
Wonder if they considered Repowering with a Pratt N Witney double wasp and would its performance have been better
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
I suspect availability would have been a problem. The US had to build the massive fleet to fly off its many new Essex and Independence carriers. There really wasn't a lot left over for the RN during the war.
@MonstroLab
@MonstroLab Жыл бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers love your channel !!! thx
@skidplate4150
@skidplate4150 6 ай бұрын
Ed Nash sent me, excellent video.
@ramal5708
@ramal5708 Жыл бұрын
It's great choice for them to switch over to the Grumman TBF/M Avenger, Grumman always know how to build carrier based aircraft or naval aircraft.
@JGCR59
@JGCR59 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Harrison managed to pull sea duty on the oldest and most decrepid destroyer of the Royal Navy and then had to go back to Barracudas :P
@Spitfiresammons
@Spitfiresammons Жыл бұрын
Very interesting aircraft of a barracuda I would love to hear more of barracuda action in raid of trpitz and over the Far East.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
I intend to do a follow-up to the first Tirpitz video I did a few months back, but this time focusing on the Barracuda's contribution
@Spitfiresammons
@Spitfiresammons Жыл бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers oh ok I heard the FAA museum are attempting to restored a remains of a barracuda. Any plans of the story of grumman Avenger in FAA service.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
@@Spitfiresammons Yes. I am gradually assembling material on the Avenger. It will be on the 2023 production line.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
@willrose5055 Thanks. I love those Battle Summary documents. Especially their maps. I use them whenever I find one that matches a video.
@WilliamWalls-iz2rv
@WilliamWalls-iz2rv 3 ай бұрын
You are what is good about the internet AA. Kudos and keep 'em coming!
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers 3 ай бұрын
High praise indeed. Thanks. But the praise should be directed at these men telling their stories, and the skills of those interviewing them.
@WilliamWalls-iz2rv
@WilliamWalls-iz2rv 3 ай бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers Indeed. Channels like yours are the reason I'm still not sure the internet was a step back for humanity. 😁
@patrickHayes-bq1ry
@patrickHayes-bq1ry 6 ай бұрын
my dad who was in FAA , (trained to fly corsairs but not required as A bomb dropped ) , was always very scathing about Barracudas and one of his best friends killed on a training flight in one.
@potpotparty901
@potpotparty901 Жыл бұрын
Absolute dog of a plane,,,, makes me marvel at the bravery of the men that had to prosecute a war in that type of contraption….
@checkeredflagfilms
@checkeredflagfilms Жыл бұрын
a wing and a prayer
@stephenrickstrew7237
@stephenrickstrew7237 Жыл бұрын
Flies like …. a fish out of water
@iamgod6464
@iamgod6464 Жыл бұрын
Best Navy Aircraft in the World!
@mcal27
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
Loving the channel! Could I make a request for a video on the Albacore and Skua when poss please? I love the underdogs :)
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
They are FAA aircraft, so they are on the list.
@mcal27
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
@@ArmouredCarriers thanks
@richardsanders3567
@richardsanders3567 Жыл бұрын
, The wings kept dropping off ‘ which wasn’t a good thing 😂
@dboulding
@dboulding 10 ай бұрын
My father flew there as CO of 822 and later as Wing Leader 21TBR in The British Pacific Fleet,
@ffrederickskitty214
@ffrederickskitty214 Жыл бұрын
Ironic that the biplane fairey swordfish ended up the allies most successful torpedo bomber of the entire war. Sometimes the adage “if it ain’t broke” is true
@Philistine47
@Philistine47 Жыл бұрын
Fairey's inability to deliver an improvement on the Swordfish, which was well and truly obsolete by the start of hostilities, is less an endorsement of the Swordfish and more an indictment of the Fairey Aviation Company. On the other side of the pond, the TBD Devastator (and to a lesser extent the TBF Avenger) were badly let down by the USN's dreadful early-war Mk 13 aerial torpedo. Once the armament was sorted out the Avengers were very effective indeed.
@CorePathway
@CorePathway 10 ай бұрын
A Swordfish was once outpaced by a destroyer, because of headwind. Let that sink in and tell me it wasn’t broke 😂. That said one of my favorite aircraft of all time is the PBY Catalina which was both obsolete and incredibly effective at the same time.
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 8 ай бұрын
@@CorePathway The Swordfish could easily land on and take off from small aircraft
@brentfellers9632
@brentfellers9632 Жыл бұрын
The British built some of the most beautiful aircraft in history. They have absolutely built the fugliest.
@abukharan5774
@abukharan5774 Жыл бұрын
Interesting plane
@billbright1755
@billbright1755 Жыл бұрын
Though very different overall construction the height of the main gear reminds me of the strut of the Grumman Avengers arrangement. I once discovered a downed aircraft site and at a distance I thought the the strut was reminiscent of an Airacobra nose wheel strut but getting closer I realized it was far too robust to be so. It was a GM made Avenger which had be pressed into post war retardant drop service. That main strut was about all I could do to stand vertical for photo. Extremely strong and heavy I noticed a bend from possible crash deflection but no it was made that way and I could identify it by side of installation and brass name plate riveted on it the Crome section gleaming as new.
@WilliamDoyle-rb6lt
@WilliamDoyle-rb6lt 6 ай бұрын
I enjoy hearing the comments of these English Gentlemen of their greatest generation.
@hoodoo2001
@hoodoo2001 Жыл бұрын
All military planes had issues and challenges and a lot of young pilots died in accidents. This was true in WWI and WWII and through the 1950's. By the 60's as aircraft tech matured with the development of more rugged and reliable planes and with even more extensive training losses became more manageable.
@TrickiVicBB71
@TrickiVicBB71 Жыл бұрын
Thank u for this gift
@midnightteapot5633
@midnightteapot5633 Жыл бұрын
One landed on a USN Aircraft carrier for some reason and the Americans were at a loss for words as to its strange appearance.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
USS Saratoga when she was in the Indian Ocean for Operation Diplomat with HMS Illustrious. "Gee, the Limey's will be building aeroplanes next" was one quip overheard when the RN admiral I think it was flew over in a Barracuda.
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 Жыл бұрын
Typical, Geordie humour. Anyway, a lovely Xmas present thanks mate. Great work as always!
@michaeld5888
@michaeld5888 Жыл бұрын
The UK is a country which is never really as rich as it seems especially for those at the bottom of society. It was not described without good reason as the best defended slum in the world. These aircraft were produced in straitened circumstances so the surprise was so many good ones did appear. This sort of stuff just had to do with no real choice. We were still flying biplanes as front line fighters 3 years before the war kicked off so all done in a great rush and hurry with new technology. The biplane Hawker Gauntlet with an open cockpit and fixed wheels was the RAF's fastest fighter in 1937 according to my Illustrated History of the RAF. The US had no war at home and immense resources so in a different world.
@annoyingbstard9407
@annoyingbstard9407 Жыл бұрын
Get a new book son. Whilst “why did we only have old stuff in the old days” comments are common on KZfaq one of those obsolete biplanes, the Gladiator, had more air to air kills than the typhoon and tempest combined.
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Жыл бұрын
I have a very simple rule to determine whether or not an aircraft is good. Does it look good, then it usually is good. Does it look fugly like hell, avoid it like the plague. Superficial though it may be, it does work. This aircraft looks fugly as hell.
@owen368
@owen368 Жыл бұрын
Was intended to have Vulture engine if I remember right but that was ditch as too unreliable (as used in Avro Manchester) and griffin/merlin fitted (can't remember which off hand) in its place but not enough power plus many other issues. Built a model of it when I was young, which was a long time ago.
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg Жыл бұрын
Before the war, Fairey designed and successfully tested an aircraft piston-engine that had two cylinder- banks that could be run separately, powering two contra-props (as on the later "Gannet" carrier-aircraft). Despite the viability of the engine, it wasn't produced because priority was given to other engine-types made by Rolls-Royce and Bristol.
@TonyPalmer-vy3kq
@TonyPalmer-vy3kq Жыл бұрын
I am looking for information relating to & regarding the connection & history of Fairey Barracuda and the Isle of Man. Thank you .
@gordonhall9871
@gordonhall9871 Жыл бұрын
good video
@equals-kl9hm
@equals-kl9hm Жыл бұрын
Losing a pilot and friend do to the enemy is hard. Losing one to a bad design . . . unimaginable.
@michaelkroger899
@michaelkroger899 Жыл бұрын
bombed the tirpitz heavily multiple times
@mikekennedy4572
@mikekennedy4572 Жыл бұрын
Thinking about there being no stop on the machine gun, that high tail plane not only was susceptible to being shot by its own gunner, it obstructed the gunner's view and hindered the ability to return fire.
@TK42100
@TK42100 8 ай бұрын
“Shon I’m Shorry. They got ush.”
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 Ай бұрын
I can’t help wondering what a difference it might have made had these been fitted with a more powerful engine. I’m sure that many of the problems and deficiencies would have persisted but some may have been eliminated. The Manchester also suffered from being under powered but we know what a difference being fitted with proper power plants made to it.
@richardrichard5409
@richardrichard5409 Жыл бұрын
Someone in the Fleet Air Arm must of been taking bungs, they procured so many lemons.
@edludwig1337
@edludwig1337 Жыл бұрын
I guess the tbm avengers were a godsend
@redskindan78
@redskindan78 Жыл бұрын
Hello, ArmouredCarrier, can you give us an episode on the Albacore? I am reading Charles Lamb's "War in a String Bag", which makes me wonder about Fairey's successor to the Swordfish.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Жыл бұрын
I shall. It is on the list. And that list is shrinking…
@garynew9637
@garynew9637 Жыл бұрын
Like to hear stories from Spitfires over Arakan.
@Will_CH1
@Will_CH1 Жыл бұрын
Not only is it ugly, it appears to be designed to cause drag
@toomanyuserids
@toomanyuserids Жыл бұрын
One thing a product of the Bethpage Iron Works will not do is shed parts. How many Barracudas vs Avengers ended up in the fleet?
@johnnyuk3806
@johnnyuk3806 Жыл бұрын
What's the best book to read up on this plane
@markworden9169
@markworden9169 4 күн бұрын
It took a lot of guts to fly these cantankerous flying machines.
@pimpompoom93726
@pimpompoom93726 Жыл бұрын
You can be a dive bomber or a torpedo bomber, but it's challenging to be both. That and the lack of a air cooled radial engine were major deficiencies. The airframe structure looks too weak.
@tomhutchins7495
@tomhutchins7495 Жыл бұрын
You're right, it does look weak. The undercarriage looks like it wants to fold in half, the fuselage looks thin and flimsy, and the wings are shocking. Just looking at them they don't look strong, and from the footage I sadly wasn't that surprised that the locking mechanism lacked positivity. The high wing requires the high tail, which introduces trim issues. The elevator might be above the turbulence but the rudder wasn't, so I bet that had no authority with the flaps deployed - possibly not when landing either which adds a new terror to carrier ops. For a 1943 entry to service it seems woefully outdated and primitive, if that's the right word. Immature, maybe. For example the Stuka and SBD had long since solved the dive bomber issue with designs which permitted vertical dives and recovery without pulling the wings off. You're right about it being hard to make a good dive and torpedo bomber. They have very different requirements. Rather than doing one role, or even making an excellent plane at one which could do the other when needed, it seems Fairey made a made an unimpressive master of none.
@Philistine47
@Philistine47 Жыл бұрын
When evaluating the FAA's wartime-built aircraft, you have to keep in mind the carriers they were intended to fly from - specifically the extremely limited air group sizes of RN CVs, which put a major premium on multirole aircraft types. When your carriers are only designed to operate 36 total aircraft, it's _really helpful_ if each of those aircraft is capable of doing several different things.
@pimpompoom93726
@pimpompoom93726 Жыл бұрын
@@Philistine47 Agreed, but if they end up doing NEITHER task very well than there isn't much advantage.
@Philistine47
@Philistine47 Жыл бұрын
@@pimpompoom93726 Yeah, that's the risk of trying to build multirole... anything, really. But you can see why the British felt like they had to try it, and why they might have been a little _optimistic_ in their pre-service evaluations of aircraft such as, and including, the Barracuda.
@user-er2jg8lh7i
@user-er2jg8lh7i 3 ай бұрын
Twin-gun station don't Barracuda's.This is Dauntless guns.
@hubbali666
@hubbali666 Жыл бұрын
2:45 lol lol did you hear that !!!
@toyL5290
@toyL5290 Жыл бұрын
I worked for fairey winches in the 70s. They were part of the same company. Who made the Barracuda.
@peppermill7163
@peppermill7163 Жыл бұрын
Some beautiful examples of British understatement in the video. Made me laugh several times
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