There's a little-known secret to the setup that'll never be impacted by a deer jumping the string. You have to use an 80# flagship bow with an ATA of no more than 28" within its first 3 months of release (last year's bow is crap and it'll never kill another deer). Use an ultra-extreme-nano-diameter arrow shaft (micro diameter is so 2021) with no more than 4GPI. Then your fletching color has to match the color of your hydro-dipped cams, that match the color of the custom pull string on your Hamskea Epsilon Integrated rest that also matches the bottom pin color on your Axcel Landslyde Carbon Pro Slider bridgelock sight that finally matches the color of the anodized 24s wrapped in 38" Nitto Ridge Grapplers on your F-350 King Ranch with the Carolina squat that's never seen a dirt road or towed anything. Even if the deer drops like an Instagram Influencer's panties at the sight of that sweet-ass truck, don't worry that ultra-extreme-nano-diameter shaft will still find its mark. Oh and don't forget to turn the camera and say "Smoked Em" as you watch him run off with the arrow dangling from the entrance side with the 85gr Rage broken off in his rib.

I'm a physicist, and I can say that your analysis here is about half correct. If you are interested, I would be happy to offer some input on how basic physical laws are relevant to your argument. The funny thing about this discussion is that it is mostly happening among compound shooters with more than enough speed and more than enough energy for almost any hunting situation. The folks who really need to talk about this stuff are trad hunters who are somewhat on the boundary where they may be limited by speed and the boundary where they may be somewhat limited by penetrating energy.

Greetings! Dr Woods from Growing Deer filmed a study on deer dropping or jumping the string.... Multiple actually and I found them very informative. They even simulated the "drop" with a college student and a computer program. Basically resulted in when deer have their head down feeding they use their spine to lift their head, drop their shoulders and essentially spring load their rear legs allowing them to retreat faster. However, when their head was up, they're unable to raise their head higher to load their back ends. Just some added info that I found worth knowing and seeing in a practical application. Will say, this year I shot 2 bucks, one mechanical that didn't pass through, then went through your videos again and ended up shooting my biggest but to date with an "adult" arrow and got full penetration and a complete different sound at impact. Thanks!

Ever since I snorted the fairy dust I’ve noticed the heavy arrow seems to work better than the no 2 pencil I used to shoot. It’s a lot quieter.

Great info I am a weekend hunter and I learned more about arrows and weight with your help thank you

OMG that first elk one. If people can't see that they are blind

You are an educational and funny dude! Two thumbs way up!

Thank you for all your work and efforts! The industry needs to change! Keep going 🙏

This makes really good since… Love all the information, and appreciate all the work put into making it.. 😉👍

I really like the "bouncers" provided. Great video, thanks again for an interesting comparison/performance, love the sarcasm, as usual...Some of the comments below added some great food for thought. Windy, if they are alert, head up or down on how they "load" to move, great stuff folks.

So, let me get this straight, different animals, move in different ways, and at varying speeds!? You just blew my mind! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I've never had an animal drop when I've shot at them, but I also never make a noise to stop an animal. I e-mailed a very experienced whitetail bowhunter who has written hundreds of articles for major magazines and has had his own Tv show and web show that was doing a show about deer dropping, and I told him the same thing. He personally replied and agreed that making a noise to stop a deer significantly increases the odds of deer dropping. He went on to say that when he did his first filming that the Company, he was filming for dragged him over the coals for not stopping the deer before he shot at it. They informed him that in the deer hunting filming industry it's politically incorrect to shoot at a walking deer. I always read and heard you should never shoot at an alert deer. Stopping a deer walking with a noise is putting a deer on alert. Instead of practicing making a noise to stop deer I think hunters should spend that time making their bow and set up as quiet as possible and practice at shooting targets that move at the speed a deer walks.

My thing is, if you're shooting a heavy arrow and aiming immediately above the elbow, it shouldn't really matter if the animal jumps. If you hit where you aim, animal is dead, if it jumps, you're still in the vitals. I just had this conversation the other day lol.

I'm here for the sarcasm, but stay for the logic

Loved the. Video and all your commentary

I’ve said for years that you can not make a bow fast enough to keep a deer from jumping the string. I think this video proves that and debunks another theory in favor of ultralight arrows. After watching your channel and tinkering I switched my set up for my trad bow and couldn’t be happier. Thanks for all you do. If nothing else people can make a more informed decision on their set up.

Valuable. Thanks Troy

That Cape buffalo shot was awesome!

Love the video! I’m currently shooting a 700 gr arrow set up

The squeak had me rolling. 😂

Excellent! Thanks Troy! I'm running 650-700 grain arrows, at 55 pounds, on a Bowtech, 2 blade single bevel250-300 grain broadheads. 55 pounds, because I can hold the shot a lot longer, if need be. My Bowtech has a great backwall. Thanks to your info and recommendations, I am recovering game. Christ Bless!

I remember calculating this out myself when I started looking at heavy arrows. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but my heavy arrow at 60 versus a 300 ft./s arrow at 60 was only about a 10th of a second slower. A 10th of a second advantage is not worth giving up all the other advantages of adult arrows.

During Covid I started shooting my bow again as there was nothing else to do. Did not even have a place to hunt at that time as I had to quit for a few years due to a shoulder injury. Anyway, I was shooting my bow at 60# with the 400 spine axis arrows with no weight up front that the bow shop guy said was the best setup. I did what he said as I did not know any different. I could not group the arrows. I would notice that when I would pull arrows from the target they were never pointing the same way. I thought it was something I was doing. I went back several times to the bow shop and they would help me with my form but never suggested anything else. Just said practice more. I became very frustrated and started doing more research. I found some RF videos and really liked the idea that ever bow shoots a certain setup the best. I know that in rifles but never thought it mattered with bows. I went through the setup with no idea where I would end up. What I found and what is most important to me is that the arrow setup I shoot now shoots straight. Everything else does not matter to me as long as I know that arrow is shooting straight. I think this is lost in a lot of the arguments or counter points to what Troy is saying. I went through the process with bare shafts and shot my 400 spine and what I settled on and have been shooting for the last 2 years is a Sirius Apollo 300 spine with 275 grs up front and a total arrow weight of 580 grs. I know this arrow shoots straight. I have no idea how fast it is going and don't really care. The deer I shoot are within 30 yards and at that distance with this setup I have full confidence in my setup. I am sure it would be effective at further distances but I don't have hunting experience with it. I know in the back yard out to 50 yards it is very accurate. What gets me is that people want to argue theirs is best. I have never taken that from Troy. He is trying to help you shoot the most accurate setup and typically that is the heavier setup. Last year I shot 2 doe within 30 yards. The first one was a poor shot by me, I was so excited that I shot when she was almost facing directly away from me (to me she was almost broad side). My 580 gr setup with a 200 gr tuffhead evolution entered just behind her last rib, she went down and away from the shot. The arrow exited just below the top of her neck full pass through. She ran about 150 yards stone dead. The second (I waited until she was more broad side) she turned and I hit her a little forward, completely shattering her left scapula and exiting the right side about 15 inches. She ran about 30 yards with her left leg flying behind her. All I know is that if either of those shots were taken with my 400 axis with a 100 grain broad head I would not have recovered either deer. With that setup I lost several pigs as I was not getting good penetration. Yes a killed a couple of deer but never had the confidence that I had any idea where the arrow was going. Yes I made a bad decision on the first one. Forgive me I get excited and have not shot a 100 deer with a bow. But even with my bad shot I still recovered the deer. the second deer with the old setup would not have penetrated through the shoulder and I would probably have lost that one as well. Most important to me is that both arrows flew straight. If you shoot a 300 gr fast setup with a mechanical and it works for you Great! have fun and kill lots of stuff. But why come after someone that feels confidence in a different setup? I no longer go the the bow shop in my town because I get chastised every time I go in there because of the setup I am using. I mean, I kill deer at my effective range and I am accurate, why do they care that I am not shooting what they want me to shoot? Thank you Troy for your help. You give accurate information to those of us that did not grow up in a bow shop and let us decide what to do. Love the videos and keep them coming.

I started bow hunting in the very early days of compound bows. My first was a hand me down, all the cables then were plastic coated metal cables. Arrows were Aluminum and broad heads for me were razorback 5 blade. I don’t know how fast the set up was SLOW or how much the arrows weighed Heavy. Amazingly was able to get good arrow flight , because I sure didn’t know Crap about tuning ! Plus only so so much to work with at that time , rest was a rubber flipper. ALL the deer I shot with that are still dead. Many of my hunting friends sometimes pass on a deer that just looks to nervous. As Troy said “ you CAN’T beat the animal” well not a jacked whitetail !! Looking forward to recovering from both shoulders rotator cuff surgeries so I can play with building even heavier and more FOC arrows. I Love LOVE building and tuning arrows and tuning my bows !! For now I just enjoy KZfaq in my sling. Thank you Troy Fowler for your work and education freely given.

The squeak noise in the first video caught me off guard and I laughed my ass off!!

Great video. I'm a whitetail hunter and realize there are tons of variables that lead to deer "jumping the string". If a deer has its head up and is relaxed you have the advantage. If it's a windy, noisy day you have the advantage. Speed really doesnt factor in much. As a general rule I aim for the heart and if it dips a bit I'm still getting into the good stuff. I'm shooting an arrow around 460 grains about 250 fps, foc around 13%. Cut on contact 3 blade broadheads that I've made scary sharp. Keep the videos coming, your research helps me tweak my setup.

Just another very good video with some no-BS information that people can benefit from if they are willing to expand their mindset you see it's a very simple process free your mind and your A-- will follow keep the video. Moving forward.

I used to shoot indoor tournaments back in the early 90s, at an archery shopi worked at, where everyone was lined up, side by side, and firing at will, as you would at a gun range. My competitors who at the time were on the "I got to shoot the fastest bow alive" train, who would regularly come into the shop complaining about deer "jumping the string", at the end of each 5 shot session would turn to me and astonishment that I had already released all 5 of my arrows, stating they never heard me shoot. My reply was always "neither did the deer I've killed". Here are two factors I abide by when deer hunting to ensure I never have a deer to jump the string, to duck. First is, never shoot a loud, noisy bow. Even if it means I have to shoot a much slower bow than everyone else. Silence kills. Second is, wait until I am in the deer's safe zone, if and when all possible. Accuracy kills. Once I learned these two things, over 30 years ago, the deer stopped making it to the voting booth. Happy hunting y'all! >>>---------------->

Good video Troy.. I personally noticed a big difference when I shot 2 different bulls in the scapula ( bad shots ) 1 350gr which only penatrated 3in and broke off and ran never to find. 3 years later did the same thing again, but I was using a 560gr .The arrow went through the right scap and lodged in the left . Then fell in its tracks.

When is the video coming out that discusses noise factor in heavy vs light arrow?

Have u tested the sound difference between light arrows and heavier arrows upon release from the same bow. I think the lighter arrows are louder and this could also give the deer a little more notice that something’s coming, would u agree ?

Always interesting and educational. Thanks for taking the time to put this all together.

Troy, I changed my arrow setup this year because of your videos. From your suggestion, I went to a 300 spine Apollo with 100 gram insert and a 125 gram black hornet. Just shot an 8 pointer at 10 yards and shot right through the shoulder blade and the broadhead exited the deer but the arrow did not pass all the way through. He went 40 yards and piled up! Thank you! I’m a believer and will never shoot flappers or twizzlers again! Dave

Hey Troy. I been following all your advice for last few seasons. Perfect arrow flight. Adult broad heads. Adult arrows. I gotta say I like watching the deer drop dead in 40 yards, rather than tracking it for 3 days 🙄 LOL Thank you Troy

Shooting a hoyt ventum pro 30 set at 72lbs 29inch draw 500 grain arrow setup pushing 270-275 fps also with serv titanium’s have shot 2 deer and a Coon same head and arrow all pass throughs no complaints I think that 500grain range is a new home for me

i have a certified pre-owned tenpoint siege rs410 on the way and am wondering what arrow weight you think i can use, it is a 16" arrow but i can use 18" arrows, since i can only use alpha knock on the crossbow i can't knock tune.

Strong work my friend! Much appreciated! Sponge Bob looks sleepy.

Anyone find it interesting the "shot placement" crew are the same ones slinging a 3" cutting dimeter?

Do you think sometime in the Future you could possibly do a video of an Adult Arrow (Bolt) Video for Crossbows

I personally shoot a 600 grain arrow. But, my friends that shoot a 450 grain arrow don't really talk about the speed beating the deer from jumping the string. Most of the reasoning that I hear is that if you have to judge yardage and are off a bit that a faster arrow won't miss by as much as a slower arrow. I get that. Misjudging by 5 yards with a 600 grain arrow compared to a 450 grain is considerably different. That being said, I'd rather have the punch of a heavier arrow than the flat arrow trajectory of a lighter one

Bro science at its best.

I started watching the Ranch Fairy a few months ago in preparation for the late season for whitetail here, wanting to learning as much as I could as a relatively old late starter in bow hunting. I started to build my own arrows, got the testing kit, after discovering--I know that's worth a laugh, that last year's whitetail was taken down with a 290 gr arrow, one lung penetration, only about 4 inches of penetration. I worried me after watching these RF vids. I put together a few different arrows ranging in weight from 460 tp 550, and an FOC of 17% to 14%. My best groups were with the heavier arrow. Thanksgiving Day just as dinner was being served, the biggest buck I've seen stepped into view. I grabbed the heavier arrow, stepped out on the deck, set the pin to 40 yards, and took the shot right in the V. The buck jumped the string, and I saw the lighted nock as he ran off. 50 yards later he was stone dead, pelvic bone was shattered, femoral artery severed. Last year's arrow would have left a wounded deer in the woods in all likelihood. I tried your idea in the field, and you were right. Thanks so much for your persistence in presenting the facts, and giving me the best Thanksgiving in my 66 years.

Now I'm contemplating using something like a 700-1000 grain setup on my crossbow. Already I'm running 550 grain setup and now I'm wondering if I should push it significantly higher. Thanks for the info!

I do agree with you on a cut on contact broadhead and that f.o.c does work. But I don’t think that a 600 grain arrow is ideal. I use a high f.o.c arrow like 18-19 percent foc and my arrows over all weight is 498 grains and I always have pass thru every time. Now my bow is shooting these arrows at 269fps at 75lbs and my draw length is at 27.5. What’s your thoughts on this set up?

I'm a fan of heavier arrows myself, I do have to wonder if there's a speed component to beating a deer though. I've had deer jump the string with really quite set ups. Crossbow hunters don't seem to have the same problem (given the range is not much over 30 yds) even though they sound like a 22 going off. I'm shooting in the 250fps range and most crossbows are 350 or more. Thoughts...

I would like to thank you very much sir! I killed my biggest buck to date this year with the super nova and a 150 magnus buzzcut on the front of it. The buck was at 40 yards and dropped/turned when I shot. The arrow entered far back and punched through the bucks hip bone and the broadhead was sticking out of the skin right behing the opposite shoulder when we found him. If it wasn't for your videos, I know I wouldn't have gotten that deer. Plan B arrows for life!

Ove killed a few pigs in the last few years with a bow and none of them have done the same. Hell my biggest didn't even move till the arrow hit it. Keep up the great videos.

Math don't lie. Really appreciate your sharing your knowledge. I will be buying my first crossbow in weeks and hunting this fall. I've learned a lot!

Great video! Ive had many discussions with others and talked with Dr Grant Woods of GrowingDeer about this subject...Many people forget that there are a bunch of variables involved that you dont think about...Is it a crisp clear day and the sound travels, are you hunting near a highway, is there a slight breeze and the beech and elm are still holding leaves that rustle on a light breeze or hunting a corn field and the stalk leaves make a ton of noise etc, is the deer perfectly calm or very nervous...For me personally its because of all these factors that I wont shot past 25 yards and prefer to be inside 20...Last thing I want to do is wound an animal...

Thanks, Troy! I especially enjoyed this video as this topic has been on my mind lately. A Question though: So to be clear, where would you advocate setting your POA/crosshairs (when shooting a crossbow) on an animal - directly on the Vital-V or the lower 1/3rd of the animal to compensate for the potential drop from the animal? Thanks again for all your content - slowly converting some stubborn friends to try the Fairy Dust. They tried out some new heavy-weight bolts for their crossbows and were pleasantly surprised. We could really use your input in the industry for some broad head-safe targets with these things though!

I shoot compound, recurve and longbow. 1) adult arrow is good. FOC increases momentum and thus penetration. 2) adult arrow is good. Heavier arrow absorbs more energy from the bow making it quieter. 3) a well tuned bow is quiet, D style longbows being the quietest (in general) tradbows are quieter than compounds. The deer are reacting to sound and I think sound frequency. The quieter the bow/set up. The slower the deer reacts.

Usually when you compare 2 things you try to keep all the other variables the same so you can draw out the differences that are specific to what you are comparing. Your argument is the speed doesn't matter because of other variables?

Hey Troy, I emailed ya about a video I did. Hopefully it can continue to help in this series. I love this video

The best argument I've heard against the heavy arrow relates to range estimation and trajectory. You have much less room for error with a heavier arrow when it comes to range estimation. Not saying it outweighs all of the other pros, just saying that it's the one valid complaint I've heard about it.

I took a doe at 15 yards with a frontal shot using my crossbow. Arrow moving around 350 fps with 500 grain arrow. I watched the video of the shot in slo-mo and she had begun to duck the shot right as the arrow hit her. Their reaction time is amazing

Thanks

I take a lot of those steep/close shots like you showed at the 18 minute mark, and exactly as you state, when they react significantly (random) it doesn't matter much. The one and only deer I dropped on the spot was pure luck. She was at 33 yards and calm, head down. Shot her with my crossbow, which is pretty darn fast. I underestimated the distance by about 3 yards. Still, she dropped her front shoulders and started rolling away. The arrow hit down near the sternum and went "up" into the spine, which shows how quickly and severely she was rolling to get away. She dropped right there and bled out. Just luck, not the way I expected it to pan out but fully supports your point.

Made the switch to heavier arrows and Magnus Ser black hornets. Dude I can’t thank you enough after two many to count non pass thrus on good shoots and a shoulder blade hit at 5 yards that resulted in a snapped off Fmj a mangled rage 5 inches of penetration with a 70lb halon 6 with a 30 inch draw length that’s not acceptable! Keep up the content Troy!

There is no data that will predict IF, WHEN, or HOW MUCH a deer will react/drop at the sound of the bow/crossbow, sound of the approaching arrow, or in some cases, the deer may not react to the sound, but on longer shots, be reacting to the visual the approaching arrow. I posted two videos recently showing a 500+ grain arrow at approximately 200 fps, arcing to two different deer at approximately 30 yards. The first deer I aimed low, the second deer I aimed center of the rib cage. From taking multiple shots with arrows out of recurves, compounds, and crossbows thru the years, my plan has become this. 1. Use an arrow system with the highest pass thru potential, the majority of the time, regardless of where it impacts the animal. 2. Plan to MISS LOW rather than HIT HIGH. Miss low, animal wins, I lose. Hit high, animal loses (non-lethal hit), I lose (the animal), and many times, I also lose (my $30 arrow).

Fairy here HAHAHA I LOVE THAT INTRO!

Can you clarify what you meant by adult broadheads? Is that a specific brand or a type? Thanks!

The speed of sound and animal’s mood certainly enter into the equation vs any weight/speed arrow.

Just wondering how much vertical drop speed of an animal will have on overall penetration. A much heavier arrow moving on the horizontal plain coming into contact with flexed tight muscles traveling downward on the vertical plain at equil or greater speed will penetrate far more than a lighter faster arrow

I'm new to archery and stumbled upon you through the hunting public. I have a 29 inch draw length and am shooting 60 pounds on a bear paradox. What arrow setup would you recommend starting with any help? It is greatly appreciated. Really enjoy your videos.

thank you for those insights, one explanation for the no string jump could be that Dears can be deaf...have a good one.

Can not believe you did not show Waddell's "This stand is cursed" or Tombo from Buck Commander's ( Second ) "Bull at 8 Steps" videos.

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Had a doe turn a full 90° from release to impact. My 570 grain arrow entered her chest and exited right in front of the back leg nicking the bone on exit. And that was just over 15 yards with arrow speed just shy of 290. Deer can move fast and in any direction or not at all, you never know.

Thanks RF. I shoot traditional bows most of my deer hunting. Arrows travel at 130 to 140 ft/sec. Jumpy deer I never even hit. My setup is slow but quiet, and a pretty unthreatening sound I believe. so the deer I kill stand there and take the hit. I think heavy arrows through my compound quiet my bow a lot too. With a heavy setup, I believe the hunter has a better chance to have the standing still animal outcome.

Big money needs make sales not have dead animals! Great video I will pass around and show everyone! I agree

Every time you debate the hard headed know it alls … you should show them this video !

Excellent video and I appreciate your advice on keeping the aiming point. I had been teaching my sons to aim a little lower in public land where deer are on high alert. I'm not fully convinced that that's not the best idea in that scenario, but I see your point. Sometimes you have to lift your feet to get to the top of that solid sand

Thank you for putting the effort into this video with all the clips. My brother and I shoot the same bow (Bowtech RealmX) set at 70lbs. The only difference in our setups is arrow weight. My arrow is about 75 grains heavier and the noise emitted by my bow is significantly less. Also, I never considered the deflection reduction in the heavier, stiffer arrow - but it is visible on some of the clips you showed. Another positive benefit to a heavier arrow. Thanks again

Ranch Fairy, I see consistency in the arrows: bright fletchings and or lighted nocks, plus a buzzing fletching. To an animal seeing that in their periphery, plus hearing the fletching buzz, that is a predator coming in fast for them. Having watched several videos of animals that "ducked" over the years, nearly all had a bright fletching or illuminated nock heading towards the animals in their peripheral vision area. As you probably know, these man-made bright colors are even "brighter" to a deer based on how their eyes and brain perceive the color spectrum. If you had seen a buzzing bright projectile heading towards you in your periphery, you'd duck too! Black arrows matter. ;-) Great, educational content, as always!

Distance and the time it takes the sound to get to the animal is what will determine how much they will drop. So would a very quit bow no matter the speed make a difference on how they drop?

@Ranch Fairy- If you need to do single-frame seeking on video, it's usually the comma and period keys. (The < & > keys, but no Shift key). Helps get the right frame at 10:45. Pretty much anybody would have missed that deer.

Head Up Shoot, Head Down Don't - They drop way faster with their head down. Pigs I like to shoot walking or when the group is making noise in the leaves. They don't hear the bow or arrow as well. I switched to 4 bohning heat vanes. The arrow is much quieter than with blazers and some other fletches I have tried. That has seemed to help as well. Another great video!

I went through your heavy arrow program. To a degree lol.I will admit I was skeptical. I shoot a 80lb bow with a 31in draw I built a 650gn arrow and had excellent success. The only problem I really had was certain fletchings were super loud. Tinkered around with different companies and lengths of fletchings and made a killer arrow. So in short thanks for your help and crazy ideas!

I believe the sound of the flying arrow has a lot to do with them moving also, but not nearly as much as a compound light arrow setup with lots of noise from the bow itself

The one at 11:40 had his head down, meaning half of the way done of ducking down. That is why they will duck more than when they are with head up. That is the reason why I don't let my arrow fly when they have their head down. And I don't care about fast arrows, heavy and full of momentum is what matters to me 😁 thanks for a great video.

The #1 reason arrow speed has little practical influence on “string jumping” is animals don’t really jump the string. Especially beyond 25 yards, unless you have a crazy noisy bow, animals are reacting to the sound of the approaching arrow, not some random swoosh or snap 25 yards away. Anyone doubts this, go out and find a deer or whatever, turn 180 degrees away from it and release your arrow. I’m pretty sure when you look back over your shoulder, it’ll still be there. That said, heavy, well tuned, high FOC arrows are quieter in flight than twizzlers corkscrewing down range trying overcome the urge to swap ends with aerodynamic drag alone.

I have to agree with you, I hunt with both traditional and compounds and it doesn’t really matter if they drop it doesn’t really matter how fast your bow is, but what matters most is where your point of aim is. And yes foc is everything.

Hey Troy, ever wandered what would happen if you shot a arrow straight up in the air ?. Me either.

I think a big part of this is a heavy arrow is going to be quiter than a little arrow because it utilizies the energy out of the bow making it quiter and deer tend to react less to lesser noise But knowing every deer is at a different place with its nerves! I shot a long bow with a 700+ grain arrow and a single bevel boardhead and if I put the arrow were I want the animal generally never goes any were because the razor sharp boardhead , heavy arrow equaling quite bow noise.

Great Video. I happen to agree with you. Animals will do their own thing and there is nothing you can do about it. Try as you may.

I have power stroke questions. Starting the topic there are bows that don’t impress on basic IBO but can impart energy into heavier projectiles more efficiently than speed bows.

IMO it’s the trajectory and forgiveness a flatter shooting setup offers. Heck even something in the middle weight wise to get benefits from both aspects in regards to penetration & trajectory is the sweet spot.

Hey Troy, the ones I missed jumped the arrow at 10 yards! Never had one duck.🤣

Did you see Teds latest deer shot on HP? Huge deer quarter away gets full pass through and the deer goes crazy then dead it seconds

Dear Ranch Fairy, does ezv sight shoot high on small vitals and low on large vitals? i.e. moose vs Whitetail vs smaller pig at 30-40 yards

The guys over it growing deer TV had an engineer come in and do a sound test with water balloons and gravity they shot all different kinds of arrows and bows, different weights, different heads and different distances. They proved what you are talking about. I suggest anybody who's complaining about what you say should go look it up, have a great day, thanks Troy

The arrows I use weigh around 416 grains. I’ve never had an issue but here are the reasons I shoot the 416 grain arrows. To start with they just fly awesome out of my bow. I was shooting the victory arrows with some added weights up front to get an awesome FOC. It was heavy but they just didn’t fly like I wanted. I’m shooting the Easton axis and they are awesome. I have had shoulder surgery and I have arthritis in my shoulder to. My bow is set up to 60# and I can’t even shoot with a thumb button cause of how bad my shoulder is. Lastly I use a single pin sight. When I range a deer at 30 yards there are times he may move several yards before I get my shot off. It honestly helps with placement. The heavier arrows I had set up have alot of arch and if he moves say 3-4 yards then I know I’m not shooting under him into the ground. So far I haven’t had any issues with pass through. I only hunt whitetail right now so having something heavy hasn’t been necessary. Next hunting season I do plan on changing to a 5 pin. Im also planning on trying out some different arrows. This is definitely some good info. Thanks for the video.

Great job Troy, I shown my brother a picture of the off side shoulder joint of a buck that I shot here a few weeks ago and it opened his eyes and goes "well that is when you know you are shooting the right broadhead and arrow set up to be able to do that and not have a blow out." I have shot 4 deer with my bow this year and will never go back to the twislers again after the performance I have seen. Keep up the great work sir.

My so. Had an old PSE compound. No radical cams. I set it at about 45 lbs, loaded it with some 2117 Eastons and shot it in my basement. Pretty slow, but as quiet as a recurve. I had forgotten how quiet these old bows were.

LOL, sandbag argument is funny since the sandbag is constantly accelerating as it drops.

Nice video. I've noticed that most deer don't move until the arrow is near them, regardless of the shot distance. Odd to me. Why don't they move sooner?

Outstanding test results, video confirmation and "proof" that faster arrows don't beat the "vote" of the animal for time to target. 👍 I hope that there are more and more people that see the truth in heavier arrows with high FOC, in the future. I have not had any luck trying to explain this to my hunting buddies. They're sold on the commercial hype and "holy grail" of speed. 🙄 Keep up the good work, brother!!! 😎

Been watching your videos the last six months. I appreciate everything you do keep it coming. This coming spring I am swapping all my gear around to adult arrows. My best friend went to Africa shot at a sage he was shooting adult arrows pass through. He was shooting 65 pound recurve 20 yards. Then he shot a water buffalo 25 inch penetration. Buffalo was 1600 pounds. I was gonna swap over the summer but I had to go in for two major back surgeries so I am hunting with light stuff I do not like it but I am going to swap over the spring. PS keep it coming. Take care and happy hunting

I had one guy try and tell me "Deer can't jump the string when the arrow is flying 3XX fps" I was like OKAY whatever you say hoss. I'm so wish I could show him this to shut his f**king mouth. Thanks for all the info you're sharing with us!!!!

I would like to input the idea that head up vs head down alters how much an animal (especially long leggers like whitetail) can drop. If you're interested in evidence here's a video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNWCdtWf0dCUiac.html