Beethoven's True Immortal Beloved Identity Finally Reveleaved

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Beethoven's True Immortal Beloved Identity Finally Reveleaved

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@oilersridersbluejays Жыл бұрын

I really think that Josephine von Brunswick was his Immortal Beloved. I have listened to Beethoven’s music and researched his life for most of my life. The portraits of Minona really shows that Beethoven easily could have been her father. Apparently, Minona was quite musically talented, and was a bit of an eccentric. Minona is also backwards for Anonim, which means anonymous, possibly referring to her possible father.

@mrfister1899 Жыл бұрын

I love the bit where the identity is finally 'reveleaved' 😂

@ArtCoreChannel Жыл бұрын

I love when you realize Bruce Willis was dead the whole movie! wait what?!

@kimmoreels7950 2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for the upload :)

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@themaestroslady1812 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know who the narrator is for this presentation, but before narrating he should have taken the time to learn the German pronunciations. All the names were mispronounced. Also, some of the facts were incorrect. Do your research. The IB has been identified as Antonie Brentano, NOT Josephine Brunsvik. Read the research of Maynard Solomon and Dr. Susan Lund. It is extensive and compelling. The friendship between LvB and Josephine (which lasted approximately from 1804-1807) was one sided - he loved her, but she considered him a friend only - this is evidenced by her letters to him. She eventually ended the relationship in 1807 at the insistence of her family. Plus, during the years 1810-1812, the years LvB knew Antonie, Josephine had married Count von Stackelberg. There is no evidence to support her going to Prague the summer of 1812, and no evidence that she and LvB had rekindled their former friendship. It was highly unlikely that Josephine would have slept with him then, since she denied him this during the previous years of their friendship, which renders the determination of her daughter Minona as LvB's "secret child" completely inaccurate. Josephine was promiscuous, and that is most likely why "Minona" (or "Anonim" read backwards) shows she wasn't sure who the father was. Historians believe it was probably von Stackelberg, but there is no evidence of that, either. It certainly couldn't have been LvB, for the reasons just stated - plus, he was in love with Antonie at the time. Also, there is no evidence that he even knew Josephine was in Vienna during those same years. Historians say LvB had a high moral code and that he would never have slept with a married woman. But we need to remember that despite his great genius, LvB was also a man with normal feelings and desires - we cannot control who we fall in love with. It is known that Antonie reciprocated those feelings (this is evident in her letters); her marriage to Franz Brentano was unhappy from the beginning; it was a forced marriage against her will; Brentano was 15 years her senior. Plus there is evidence now that the letter had been sent. In her book Beethoven: Life of an Artist, Dr. Lund recalls an interview she had with a descendant of Antonie Brentano - that the custom of the time had been that when a lover sent a secret letter to his beloved, the recipient copied out the letter and sent the letter back to the sender. She believes that could be the reason why LvB kept the letter - Antonie copied it out for herself, then sent the letter back to him. Of course, this can't be proven definitively, but it is a fascinating custom which could explain why the letter was still in his possession at the time of his death. You also mentioned that Antonie was pregnant in 1812, so it would have been unthinkable for LvB to make love with a pregnant woman. But what if LvB himself were the father? Dr. Lund believes he was. Read Beethoven: Life of an Artist as well as Beethoven and the Catholic Brentanos. They are real eye-openers. More and more music historians are beginning to believe that she's on the right track. Of special interest is the connection with LvB's Missa Solemnis, as well as the disastrous relationship LvB had with his nephew.

@ArtCoreChannel 2 жыл бұрын

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

@kimmoreels7950 2 жыл бұрын

@@ArtCoreChannel dont mind the critics i very much appreciate the effort thank you so much for this

@wertherland 2 жыл бұрын

I am currently reading Solomon's book and I have read the same thing, was surprised hearing about the theories on this video as well. It is also always a good practice to share references @ArtCore Channel

@Mariathinking Жыл бұрын

You roasted a robot on his voice.

@77HadassaH77 Жыл бұрын

This is one sided information and no evidence. There are a lot of (missed) facts about Josephine that she was the immortal beloved. Secret letters were found from J sent to B. She was highly guarded by her family not to make any mistake. Beethoven was even guarded not to get to close to her. Her family and especially her mother wanted them to stay away from each other. You have to consider all the facts and understand the time frame before you research such a subject and make statements. She did tell him how she loved him, but she had to be very careful about expressions of love towards him. Some drafts from her: Draft) [Vienna, first quarter 1805] You have long had my heart, dear Beethoven - if this assertion can give you joy, then receive it - From the purest heart - - Be careful that it is also entrusted to the purest heart! - receive, through this confession, through this confidence, the [sic] greatest proof of my love - of my esteem! - This is what most ennobles you. - That you know how to appreciate it - you acknowledge its value, whose possession I herewith entrust to you - the possession of the noblest of my Being, - of which I herewith assure you - you will prove to me. - if you are satisfied with it - Do not tear my heart apart - - Do not try to rush me further - I love you inexpressibly - as one pious spirit loves another - Are you disposed to this covenant? - I am not receptive to other forms of love for the present - Your lines could only bring me to presumptions, I did not understand you clearly - With sincere, inner openness, I answer you- Draft) [Vienna, maybe winter 1806/07] the closer acquaintance with you, dear Beethoven, during these winter months left impressions in my soul which neither time - nor any circumstances can wipe out - Are you happy or grieving? - you yourself can answer this - Also - it is you who - in this respect, through self-control - or giving free vent to your feelings - can lessen or heighten them - My soul, which felt an incomparable enthusiasm for you even before I knew you personally - was nourished by your affection. A feeling which lies deep in my soul and cannot be expressed, made me love you; even before I knew you, your music made me enthusiastic for you - The goodness of your character, your affection made it stronger - The distinction you bestowed on me. the pleasure of your attention, would have been the greatest jewel of my life, if you had loved me in a less sensual way - as I cannot satisfy this sensual love - be angry with me - I would have to tear holy bonds if I acceded to your solicitude - Believe me - I suffer most through the observance of my duty - and certainly noble motives guided my actions - Draft) [Vienna, perhaps autumn 1809] For a long timwell beinge, indeed, I have desired to receive news about your well-being, and I would have informed myself long ago, if discretion had not held me back. - Now tell me, how are you, what are you doing? How is your health, your mood, your way of life - the deep interest which I take in all that concerns you, and which I will take as long as I live, gives me the desire to have news about you. Or do you believe, my friend Beethoven, may I call you so, that I have changed. - Such a doubt would imply to me nothing else but that you yourself are no longer the same. *That’s when things went south in their connection, due to her family and the expectations they had from her.

@ramnaftaliavni6532 Жыл бұрын

"Finally revealed" Me: No, it hasn't been. The video: "Theory" Me: Dislike for clickbait

@ArtCoreChannel Жыл бұрын

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@fourwinds4444 Жыл бұрын

Interesting subject matter but AWFUL narration because using computer generated phrasing - real voice but computer generated delivery. Had to stop watching Why don't you just narrate?

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