lol

SO BASED AND VALID LMAO!

so basically because of woketards the character had to be written in an incredibly narrow window of possibilities to be "acceptable" and is effectively pre-ruined by SJW. don't worry, i'm sure art being unfairly rejected won't cause anything too awful to happen, right?

​@@Suiseisexy L brony pfp

​@@Suiseisexy the hell are you talking about?

All this "civilized men" bullshit is just an excuse from the europeans to justify neocolonialism

Well it was because he was precisely uncivilized, as American civilization was built on racism and so to be well-adjusted in that civilization meant being racist.

​@@NajashiProductions Absolutely based opinion. A country that had to have a civil war over slavery simply because it was that ingrained of an economic institution... Is certainly one that wouldn't at all had been the same without it. And lets not forget how slavery never really ended in the US... The 13th amendment literally says... "unless as punishment for a crime" The fact more people didn't realise, surely must be shocking.

Savage isn’t a word to describe him..

​@@captain-chair was the civil war really just and only over slavery? I feel like theres definetly more to it than that but im not american so

it's sad how he was initially acting towards Arthur

@@PeptoAbismol Just self preservation. And that was America not even 60 years ago in some areas.

@@IncognitoSprax that’s exactly why it’s sad

@@IncognitoSprax 😭

@@IncognitoSprax it’s America today where I live.

I also like that once the Doctor realizes that Arthur sees him just as another man, he lets his frustration and anger get through.

Ngl this guy kinda sucks at rdr2 LMAOO his shots are off he’s getting shot multiple times and not once did he use his deadeye. NOOB

Yes you thoroughly explained it didn't you, I'm sorry I just had to say it

⁠@@ArthurMorgan1947BossHe’s just explaining what he liked about the interactions

_"And I shall give you something for your pleasure"_ *Hol'up*

@@HANKSANDY69420 Glad someone said it.

@@nicobones9608 lmao no problem

​@@HANKSANDY69420 went from RDR2 to Brokeback Mountain real fast

@@hasogon What's Brokeback Mountain tho

If you do this mission when Arthur is already sick, the dialogue is a little different, doctor saying he wishes he could help with the more pressing ailment.

😭😭

@@Kucza8 jesus christ thats amazing

When you play the game and then replay it immediately you really see how much subtle foreshadowing Rockstar put in this game. You don't connect the dots the first time around and you forget about those details but then the second playthrough shows you that the writing is 10 times better than you initially thought

Damn imagine a secret ending, were Arthur survives TB because of the doctors book. Would be cool a way to reward getting good karma throughout the game. Sadly that aint the case😭

Exactly, it's made clear throughout the story that he's perfectly aware of racism, he just doesn't understand why someone WOULD be racist and thus doesn't jump to the obvious assumption this was about race.

You don’t do it?

​@@V1ncenz010 many do not

I was sad about my horse dieing towards the end. A Female White Arabian I named Pace. I loved that Horse so damn much I did all my best with the upkeep and sometimes spoiling my horse. But when I needed her the most she would always stay within. RDR2 Was something special I need to replay it again and do all the side quests before the main story as my first play through I just did the story and that’s it.

@@V1ncenz010 bro, I love my horses like they were my own children lol

@@eric6rock best horse

I'm sure he developed a subconscious policy of seeming less intelligent than he actually is so people are less guarded about what they say to or around him. A useful little trait for a man whose livelihood sometimes depends on rumour, hearsay, conjecture and outright bullshit.

@@MrMortull I think a part of it too was that he internalized being stupid. In a camp event, Hosea asks for his thoughts on a subject and he goes, "I don't do much thinking, Hosea, killing's more my thing" before Hosea says, "I don't believe that for a second". So even around his best friends, he plays up the 'ignorant stupid gun' character, probably after years of being undermined, especially subconsciously from Dutch who always hid his insanity behind a thin veneer of pretty words and empty phrases he read in his books so as to appear like he was smart and had all the answers

@@Linnnaeus Well said. That's a very blunt explanation that I agree with. Well done.

@@Linnnaeus that is very well said

Kinda like GTA protagnists

He grasped the concept of it, but not the reasoning, which was all the more reason why Dutch and his band were outlaws. They didn't abide by the law of any state, that included slavery laws and the precursor to Jim Crow laws.

I think Arthur mostly grasped the definition of it. The concept of it. But not the practice of it. Its execution, its nuances. Remember his talk with Lenny about the Lemoyne Raiders. There's many microagressions you're simply not gonna pick up on if you don't know what to look for. Which Arthur shouldn't be able to pick up on, considering who he is and the company he keeps.

@@Jamushu 'microaggressions' Bro, what?

@@Jamushu Ah yes, because in modern times everything is fuckin racist.

slavery doesn't equal racism... its dehumanising a human which everyone of every single race throughout human history has been through

If we only knew.

If you meet him after that, he’ll have a different response I think

@@DrHundTF2 yeah he will comment about Arthur tb

There are Dialogue changes if you do this quest in chapter 6. There is also differnt dialogue for The random encounter With The Injured man if you come across it in chapter 6.

​@@Masquin__Indigoo yup. He says that he would like to help you with your sickness, but he can't.

*LETS BE HONEST WE ALL REMEMBER THIS RECORD:* kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n8yZl6yanNnZaJc.html

me on my way to smoke 40 cigars to get enough deadeye to complete the story:

​@letters just use chewing tobacco every horse or bounty hunter has like 5 on them

My brain on its way to do extreme mental gymnastics to understand this post:

@@theyellowman9625 my posts, like Racism, are kinda hard to understand.

Yeah he's got a few stories that are pretty brutal. I waited till I got the 500$ pocket watch from the gambling boat and gave it to Lenny. Unfortunately he didn't live too long after to enjoy it, but it just didn't feel right giving him any other run of the mill watch

@@Mizzle420420 shut up, boy

@@Mizzle420420I tried doing this too, but it just gave him a silver pocket watch. Should I sell them first before giving him the Reutlinger?

Racism is one of the walls that limit us, which we build ourselves

Hard to see that future when people keep talking about it..

@@CommissarChaoticbecause it still happens

@@quebenusa That is fair.

Does it happen? Yes. is it as common as it used to be? Absolutely not. Something that people have been fed over and over is that racism is running amok again in our society when it’s the freest and equal it’s ever been. We’re all equals and have been for a good while. The part that people seem to not understand is the difference in Equal Opportunity to Equal Outcome. The United States of America is a land of Equal Opportunity, where everyone has the same chances to do the same thing and if they follow the same steps can both do the same thing and this applies to practically everything. The problem I see that’s worse than racism is the lack of appreciation of how good we all got it compared to other parts of the world. A land we all share together and live on. Yet, somehow, despite its greatness, freedom and equality, the people who make the news claim everything about America to be wrong.

The downtrodden and subjugated always make good ally’s for folks like Dutch. For better or worse.

R* did it to make Arthur and John more likeable xD

​@@sazanja That too, would suck if they were racist

@@AzathothTheTrueGod based Mississippi pfp

​@@dogo523 Would've made them a little bit interesting or feel like they are apart of the world. Like Vito from Mafia 2 for example.

Well said

he definitely does understand that it exists, but I don't think he recognizes it very readily, especially in its more subtle and underhanded forms. this is why a specific conversation he has with lenny on the way to raid the confederate hideout really stood out to me, cause arthur admits that he doesn't often think about or notice racism in the same way that lenny does, and lenny points out this is because he's white. I really liked that conversation, it shows more of how arthur is humble and willing to listen to people he respects when it comes to issues he doesn't know much about. arthur is ignorant to many social issues that don't directly affect him, and he does show this at multiple points throughout the game, but it's his willingness to listen to the perspectives of others that makes him such a good man, his respect for peoples' freedom and right to live in the way that is best for them. this sets him apart from characters that are ignorant and *not* willing to learn, such as bill, dutch (somewhat), and worst of all, micah

Man you did PhD on Arthur

Same😅

Its just too real

So am I the only one that purposefully hit rocks and stuff to see the funny ragdolls?

When he fucking bulldozed his horse I started laughing but I felt bad at the same time

I was like that then I played too much red dead online and became a ruthless capitalist.

Doesn't kill innocents? Tell that to my Arthur Morgan

@@cupatea5972 😂

But he really is a murderer and a thief, he knows it

"Doesn't kill innocents." So the bandit challenges just don't exist huh? XD

unironically i grew up homeschooled in alabama (27 now) with no outside contact besides being on a swim team and i only started public school at highschool and i deadass didnt know that racism was a thing and had never heard a slur before as u might imagine my reaction to ppl talking about racism just like arthur straight up didnt compute

so the real fixing about racism is by isolate people so they didnt know what racism is

​@@tehonlynoobs5556 fuckin no, that's not every gonna work and I'm not social science expert but my opinion of that is just desensitizing the population of their difference and maybe letting each other know their struggles. Of course there are batshit insane and truly awful people who will not even try to do that so, eh, it's not for everyone

@@tehonlynoobs5556 It's not the best solution in my opinion. Sadly, there's no better alternative.

@@nonotanymore that’s the way it should be. Racism should be non existent and you shouldn’t have to know about it because it shouldn’t be there in the first place. While Dutch was a bit crazy, I love his view on people of all races just being people

This is what I imagine the American dream as, with a little less killing but hey you can’t have your cake and eat it too

Reminds me of a time when I was in school. On a fairly nice day in the middle of practicing for a school play, I in my spare time had done some scatting to keep myself entertained cause I was and still am the type that doesn't like to sit still. While scatting, I noticed everyone was looking at me with concerned looks, I had questioned "What's up?" and they had told me along the lines of "You said the N-word", "that was incredibly racist", and "I am getting the teacher". I simply asked "What is racist?", my school peers interrogating me after a bit realized I legit did not know what racism was and it did become extremely awkward. Of course, looking back it was a very cringe and embarrassing memory.

@@desktechies2175 you gave me a chuckle sir. have a fine day

@@icezak4964 You too

@@desktechies2175 So you must've had the single most sheltered upbringing ever

Hopefully the KKK will get that soyboy arse one day.

fuckin legend

Modern "racism" such as reparations is about stealing from the successful people.

Fax

If you do his side mission while diagnosed with TB, he’ll say something about it

Absolutely, would of been very nice

Maybe even have a mission for John after a few years.

imagine if he was the Doctor that diagnosed Arthur.

At his core he’s good, but having lived with Dutch he’s become used to being a bit of a soldier without questioning orders. He does bad things if it’s for the benefit of his gang;family. Therefor it makes sense either way but it definitely doesn’t make sense for him to be ruthless or anything, like say, Micah. If he does bad things, it must be for a beneficial reason to the gang

Play with low honor until the beginning of chapter 6. Makes his redemption more satisfying imo.

Idk, I try to have high honor because I like helping people, if someone is bit by a snake I’ll give medication and help them in other ways

​@@MichaelLLloyd that's the reason I ended up doing that. Slowly but surely I couldn't justify Arthur being a huge prick and even at his worst, plated him as someone caring of his gang. At least a little later, I was surprised at how instead of being insulted by the antagonize people just say "fuck you arthur, talk to me when you're not like this". I felt too bad

if you've experienced all kinds of people, from just about every place you'll start to realize that they do shape how people generally view the world and what to expect from them in terms like behavior but, when push comes to shove, are really just surface-level differences

The Game is Read Dead Redemption 2 from Rockstar Games

I have a little saying I think fits just right. "If everyone was a product of their time, times would never change."

@@johkupohkuxd1697 exactly.

​@@johkupohkuxd1697 That's a good saying

​@@johkupohkuxd1697 inspired

wow, so proud of you for not being racist

Thats what makes Arthur a great character, he’s genuine. Unlike many other characters that tend to just fall into archetypes and tropes, Arthur feels like a real person who has an internal logic and way of thinking. Same with Dutch and other characters. They can be wildly different depending on context and situation while still being consistent in their actions.

​@@kingcyclops4079Name some other characters then.

@@koibitothescrublord4977 what do you mean? In the game or to compare Arthur too?

He is realistic. Most of his life is spent growing up among all kinds of people, so stands to reason he can't understand why people would hate someone for such a simplistic reason as their gender or skin colour. Arthur hates people for specific reasons, like trying to kill him, or stealing his stuff.

@@koibitothescrublord4977 "Oh, you consider yourself a critic, then? Fine. Name every character."

Fr

On god

"Holier-than-thou" is not virtuous, but these modern writers don't get that. Their "heroes" are the "nice guys" of protagonists. They don't just do their good deed(s) and go, they must be showered with praise for it. They can't just hold the door for someone, they must be thanked, loudly and profusely.

Ya Arthur's stolen from people killed people strongarmed people for money but he has good qualities. He's kind to his gang would do anything for them. He will help people

@@Bowiiihowdy I like heroes that own flaws but still have characteristics like loyalty and kindness

"Naive and foolish" yeah you missed the mark completely

You only get shot if you're bad at the game

@@Rapture__1234 pretty sure even super good players still get shot at least 36 thousand times a time per gun fight

@Da Bobuduk not me. I've never been shot once

@@Rapture__1234Do a One Hit KO mod play through and upload it to your channel

​@@Rapture__1234 sure you didn't sweetheart

Definitely not all equal. When Bart Roberts captured and held slave ships for ransom in West Africa, he burnt any ship whose owner refused to pay up, including the ones with enslaved Africans in the hold, not bothering to release them or even help the few who made it out of the ship and into the shark infested water.

@@ThejollyFrenchman id say most pirates werent like Black Sam haha

Historically, pirates in the Caribbean were happy to traffic slaves like captured cargo, assuming they didn’t die when their ships were captured… since plenty of pirated cargo was lost at sea in the raids rather than actually captured intact. Sure, some pirates were egalitarian, but that wasn’t the broader reality - the idea that pirate ships were bastions of then-progressive values toward race is the result of extreme romanticization.

@@Necroskull388 to be fair, democracy and progressiveness are far from the same thing. dan only really called them democratic bastions. not to say i think they were by any means very democratic either, but equating democracy to progressiveness is quite flawed. to the point of freed slaves joining crews, there is some suggestion by some historians that "black pirates" made up a significant portion of some crews during the golden age.

John Paul Jones is another pirate worth mentioning.

I saw this happen and then I’m like oh no what if he killed it, mission failed!

LOL'D

This isn't even a modern take on racism, it doesn't touch on the fact that whiteness is an ever changing category, and the fact that it only exist to exclude black people. The only people who'll never be able to be white are black people.

also not every White person owned slaves. it is a landowner thing

Reminder that John Brown was a white guy who fought (and killed) for the rights of black folks.

Blacks in slave days would presumably have had an average IQ of about 70 like most Blacks who lack admixture of White blood. You would have to be a fool not to come to certain conclusions.

@@laisphinto6372 well yes but that’s besides the point of not being racist, you could’ve still not personally owned slaves and been incredibly racist. But the point is plenty of people verifiably existed that were not only not racist, but went out of their way to help black people, usually out of their own expense

Less a case of "ahead of their time" and more a case of "people have been anti racist and anti slavery for centuries." It's just that such ideas get buried because the old west gets whitewashed to fuck

In reality this game was a criticism of how we think the west was vs. the reality.

Woke game

@@vorlodgigi3528 define woke

@@anthonycekic4509 he's just parroting the toxic content creators likes geeks and gamers and quartering who call everything with women and minorities in it "woke"

@@anthonycekic4509 You're delusional.

You should read "The not so wild, Wild West" it's really interesting.

Cheers to a well written comment on a well written story. 🍻

This is closer too the racisim of the 1930's than the 1880's when this was supposed to happen. That man would have been hung.

It’s been scientifically proven that babies are racist. It’s innate.

Always worth remembering that our very early ancestors had sex with Neanderthals, a literal different species of human. Racism may be something that can naturally occur, but it's prevalence in our societies is totally manufactured.

Yeah I made a vid about that too lol

That bowie knife got a nice workout when I found my first bunch of Klanners.

@@sethmiller2532 lol the personal touch eh?

I let them kill themselves. Good mockery, but you'd be a fool to actually go looking for trouble with them in real life back then. They were very organized and had political backing from the democratic party and I'm sure some establishment type Republicans as well. Now they're pretty much dead. Old foggies abandoned by the corrupt politicians. Left to be no more than old men wanting you off their lawn. It's a fitting end, really. Just like rhe plantation owner in the game. I let him live. Dying was too much of a mercy for him .

@@jasonalbran376 They couldn't have been too tough, since they were effectively broken in one fight against two dudes.

He probably would've if the narrative didn't demand that it be a shocking and dramatic moment

Perhaps it would’ve been too coincidental? Rockstar really worked hard to make this world seem as large as possible, so maybe the likelihood that this doctor would’ve stumbled upon him at that exact moment was too small.

Also dude was probably 4 states over trying to put as much land between him and racist shit swamp land as possible,

Dr. just had to jinx/foreshadow it, didn't he?

You can do this mission after getting TB, and the doc says he wished he could have helped more.

He didn't pet the horse, he only fed him three apples to recover his health (Arthur just put his hand there as he was feeding it). I was waiting for him to pet the horse at the end and was disappointed he didn't - especially after nearly killing the poor animal. I feel bad if I accidentally ride my horse over a ground cactus and it makes that sound of pain, and immediately have to pet or feed them to overcome the guilt. lol. Horses are the goodest bois and girls of the game and deserve all the love!

​​​@@Erizedd Horses are indeed the best. I've had a horse once. It was so pure, so strong, so good. Almost like an Angel or something. Feeding a horse feels amazing tho, it's specially satisying to watch the horse as it eats knowing that this food will keep their body strong and healthy.

@@athos9293 Your comment was really sweet, and true - they truly are amazing creatures. :)

​@Erized he didn't try to kill the horse. lmao, the game bugged out and flung the horse. Next time use your eyes and brain you have them for a reason

we need more reminders like arthur; that intellect and wisdom are drastically different things. You may be the smartest guy in the room, but someone wiser may be just as valuable, we ultimately need both to be a better person

Well said

@@daskartoffel5505 I'd say wisdom, intellect, and knowledge are all different. Wisdom and knowledge are most closely related: wisdom is learned experience, knowledge is read experience. One is what you observe, one is what you study. I'm wise in a philosophical sense because I search for meaning and reason, but I'm not knowledgeable in it as I haven't studied my peers. Intellect is the ability to more rapidly ascertain or use wisdom or knowledge. It's the spirit of ingenuity that turns information into practice. It's the speed of the processor, essentially, as someone with low intelligence can come to the same conclusions with a longer time frame. Arthur is an intelligent character, but very unknowledgeable. He has developed wisdom through his experiences, but doesn't have much of a world view or deeper philosophical insights into the self. He's connected the dots of the world he knows and of himself - however far those threads go - and found how best to maintain a place within his own time. Had he been properly educated, he'd have been a good scholar, but instead he learned the hard life. You'll meet quite a few homeless people on the street with similar attitudes to Arthur; a good mind with a bad upbringing and the misdirection with which it comes. The misadventures that come alongside such a life are only as fun in fiction, though.

I have killed every black in my playthrough

Considering how common racism was in almost every gathering place of society, I'd say that's highly unlikely. It's much more likely that because Arthur has known and worked closely with people of different colors and races, and because he knew that being a shit person had nothing to do with race or skin color, he judged people on their actions instead. Arthur does admit that he's a very good judge of character, and we see as much throughout the story.

I think being raised by Dutch and Hosea made Arthur the way he is.

@@Erizedd Not really in the places they visited, though. The Midwest/Rockies were still mostly a frontier, so most of the racism didn't come until all the east-coast rich men arrived, as well as the military, which we start to see in chapter 6

What you mean Arthur literally found a slave catcher's shack among other encounters such as Javier being called a greaser on several occasions. He definitely witnessed racism and understood it he just isn't a racist so it's the last thing on his mind when he meets someone

​​@@Mizzle420420nah man the game definitely makes it very clear that Arthur is clueless as to what Racism is. This becomes very apparent when you talk to Lenny in some instances. Kinda silly to be honest.

The entire opening cutscene also looks like it was taken from The Hateful Eight. Many Tarantino fans on Rockstar.

😂

Same, ol boy went flying!

Nothing can cure lumbago. It's terminal. It just takes a few years to reach the final stage. The best way to slow it down is a lot of rest.

Lumbago is just how people used to call (some people actually still do) chronic "lower back pain".

Everyone's talking about the player's remorse for the horse and not the fact that it clearly wanted to die 😭

Do a playthrough of this game and count how many people you kill throughout. And tell me again that Arthur is a "good man". He is a damn serial killer. 😂

Thanks

He wasn't a 'good man'. Lol.

He's not a good man

I mean doesn't he slaughter random guards and police who are literally just trying to stop a robbery / rampage? He may not be a full sociopath but he is not a very great man.

@@Chicky_Lumps well you have a point but most of the fed up things he does is players going on rampages or other things, every time he kills he does it to help better the lives of the gang

" I am Jim Crow and I shall live forever "

wouldnt be allowed for fear of mass media slander on it.

There'd also be quite a bit of prejudice against the Irish.

Mafia III exists, by the way.

@@therealblackcerberus2371 Unfortunately.

Thanks

Most people were racist back then,so i don't think it's too crazy that a rebellious outlaw like Arthur morgan would be different.

Things aren't always black and white. People back then are the same as people today.

Arthur just isn't progressive in the way mdoern people are. Arthur judges purely on character cos he grew up in a rotten environment and lived a rotten life. Race never potently played a part in it.

Yea, you could say that. Or you could say that Arthur isn't your typical outlaw. He rides with all manner of folk. Whites, blacks, Indians, Austrians, the Irish and women who hold their own. He judges off of merit, not of race or gender. You see that with the differences of Tilly and Sadie. He knows Tilly as a timid thief, but when he learns that Tilly has killed, he seems shocked And the same with Sadie, until Chapter 3, she was a timid, grieving widow but then she proves she could out do many of the Gang He is friends with Lenny, who he sees a lot of himself in, and Charles who is practically the workhorse of the gang. Hell, in the end, he only trusted John, Charles and Sadie, one being a black Indian and the other a woman. He doesn't see race or gender because it is all to do with who has your back when the shooting starts

When you're fighting the law and trying to survive the day-to-day, you don't have time to judge people on their skin color. It's why a lot of spoiled rich people are usually the ones perpetuating hate

Arthur gave Charles the Tylenol recipe.

Lenny and Charles are by far my favorite supporting characters. Charles especially, I was super happy to not only find out he survived but that he came to the farm and helped build the house. He's a solid dude, the kind of guy I would be life long friends with. Lenny too, he was a likeable, smart, capable dude. It's was a shame how he died, it happened so fast didn't even get a proper moment to take it in. One of the most realistic lifelike deaths, in my experience that's how death is in the real world nothing fancy just happens so quick your mind can't even process it.

@@Mizzle420420 exactly

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Play GTA V

Rockstar? Liberal?

@@hyphen6025 VERY

@@louiswebtser yeah i do cus it was made in 2013 where you could do something without getting butt raped by people whos dads left