Brian Keating interviews Sir Roger Penrose: The Emperor’s New Mind -- Consciousness & Computers

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Arthur C. Clarke Center for Human Imagination

Arthur C. Clarke Center for Human Imagination

Күн бұрын

#QuantumComputers #QuantumMechanics #Cosmology
Episode 34 of Into The Impossible
Books mentioned in this episode:
The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds, and the Laws of Physics
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Shadows of the Mind: A Search for the Missing Science of Consciousness
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Sir Roger Penrose OM FRS (born 8 August 1931) is an English mathematical physicist, mathematician and philosopher of science. He is Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics in the University of Oxford, an emeritus fellow of Wadham College, Oxford and an honorary fellow of St John's College, Cambridge.
Penrose has made contributions to the mathematical physics of general relativity and cosmology. He has received several prizes and awards, including the 1988 Wolf Prize for physics, which he shared with Stephen Hawking for the Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems.
Penrose sat down with Professor Brian Keating to discuss artificial intelligence, consciousness, cosmology, and the many fascinating developments in physics since the publication of The Emperor’s New Mind in 1989.
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@DrBrianKeating
@DrBrianKeating 4 жыл бұрын
This was truly a “bucket-list interview” for me with #SirRogerPenrose! Chatted about his epochal book, THE EMPEROR’S NEW MIND which inspired me to become a physicist (& author). Also took a deep dive into cosmology, brains, & quantum mechanics. Roger will return to the Arthur C. Clarke Center for Human Imagination sometime soon, so please leave comments or questions for the next edition! Enjoy!
@alanlowey2769
@alanlowey2769 4 жыл бұрын
I've just found an article which supports the inner core dark matter hypothesis. I emailed the author straight away: www.bbc.com/future/article/20200703-how-humans-are-altering-the-tides-of-the-oceans .... Hi, thank you for your wonderful article of 6th July 2020 in FUTURE online magazine 'How Humans Are Altering The Tides Of The Oceans'. You say " But oceanographers have recently started to realise that tides in many places around the world are undergoing notable changes, in ways that can’t be explained by interactions among celestial bodies." yet there *is* a way that distant planets can alter the tidal ranges via post-Einstein gravity theory. In this case, it would be the inner core dark matter of Jupiter interacting with the dark matter core of the Earth. I'm a former defence scientist. I was sponsored to study astronomy, physics & computing at the University of Hertfordshire and awarded a joint prize for best student out of 300+. I was then sponsored to study simulation modelling at Brunel University at masters level. I am currently lobbying the science community to take this new hypothesis seriously. I managed to convince a science journalist of a UK newspaper to write an article about the fundamentals. This insight has beauty www.express.co.uk/news/science/1308437/dark-matter-news-scientist-moon-core-theory-newton-einstein It's not the amount of actual dark matter at the cores which is increasing, it's the amount of time Earth spends on the solar plane because gravity is much stronger there. It's analogous to the Moon creating Spring tides when on the equatorial plane. It is surely worthy of your scientific expertise and attention? Kind regards Alan Lowey ....
@craignunnallypurcell
@craignunnallypurcell Жыл бұрын
When searching for guidelines Penrose seems a touchstone
@gerardjones7881
@gerardjones7881 4 жыл бұрын
I was working as a dishwasher, after reading this book I was inspired and within 5 years I became the head dishwasher.
@lukedub9670
@lukedub9670 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder what that says about each and every book you had read beforehand in your life... that didn't get you to position of head dishwasher? 🤔
@SanjeevSharma-vk1yo
@SanjeevSharma-vk1yo 3 жыл бұрын
correlation is not causation.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 3 жыл бұрын
i was fired from making sandwiches after i was caught with my fingers in the bacon slicer. she was fired too.
@vincentadriel3832
@vincentadriel3832 3 жыл бұрын
Dunno if you guys cares but if you are bored like me atm you can stream all the new series on Instaflixxer. Been streaming with my girlfriend recently xD
@judegary2766
@judegary2766 3 жыл бұрын
@Vincent Adriel Yea, I have been watching on instaflixxer for since december myself :D
@Akshay-pp7re
@Akshay-pp7re 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Penrose has been awarded the 2020 Nobel Prize for Physics !!
@geofftaylor8913
@geofftaylor8913 4 жыл бұрын
Great interview. He has always been my favorite of all the great minds.
@robbie31580
@robbie31580 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched a lot of Roger Penrose, but the picture demonstrating the interplay between the mental, physical, and platonic worlds is truly spectacular and hasn’t really hit me before. Thanks for the interview and great work!
@imgayasheck595
@imgayasheck595 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best interviews with him because you were well read
@idebenginight3342
@idebenginight3342 4 жыл бұрын
Love Penrose!!
@Indyariya
@Indyariya 3 жыл бұрын
I read this book back in my university day in 1996-97. I reread this book again after managed to get a hard cover version copy from Amazon.
@codedlAnguage
@codedlAnguage Жыл бұрын
Entangled Mind have you Read. ? Merlin Sheldrake. ? 💝💝💝💝💝💝
@quantumzoflyne
@quantumzoflyne 8 күн бұрын
since you read that book in 1989 which is when I was born, I no longer feel that old anymore, on a Science research perspectives level either
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks sir
@celdur4635
@celdur4635 Жыл бұрын
It would be a great thing for all humanity of Sir Penrose connects with an expert weightlifting trainer, with a great regime he can extend his life and quality of life for 30+ years.
@iant6462
@iant6462 3 ай бұрын
WONDEFUL!
@joqqy8497
@joqqy8497 8 ай бұрын
Sir Roger Penrose says that CCC is a"crazy idea". But for me personally, I think his idea makes more sense, and is less crazy, than the current consensus on the origin or cyclical evolution of the universe.
@brendawilliams8062
@brendawilliams8062 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna leave now back to work have a great day
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@abdusabdud8218
@abdusabdud8218 3 жыл бұрын
Penrose is now shoulder of Giants
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Im on my work now
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Do they know how hard to communicate in this situation
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Sir its ok for me if they don’t believe in me, I respect all of you thank you sir have a good day
@jimjackson4256
@jimjackson4256 2 жыл бұрын
If the velocity of distant galaxies is dependent on their distance then the universe must have an accelerating expansion shouldnt it.
@codedlAnguage
@codedlAnguage Жыл бұрын
I work at NASA we made Alien contact Last Week 👉. 👽 👉. 💝💝💝💝💝💝
@username6135
@username6135 4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing then the probability of life is 1 per observable universe?..... "and then the computer said "let there be light" and there was light".
@jonathanjollimore4794
@jonathanjollimore4794 2 жыл бұрын
The penrose diagram is the final proof you can divided by zero!
@kro_nic
@kro_nic 4 жыл бұрын
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Do i follow ?
@channelwarhorse3367
@channelwarhorse3367 2 жыл бұрын
Mechanical Equivalent of Heat, businessman goes out of business 💯. While manufacturing the keys to infinity ♾ at content per power curve frame to immovable reference. Faraday to Archimedes of Syracuse Floating Bodies Diagrams describes parallel wave ro propeller a circle turn w. Penrose manifest is the best 👌
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
How is it?
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
That is only for my own thinking, I don’t want to disrespect other ppl
@srimallya
@srimallya 11 ай бұрын
Computation model of Universe Classical computation is 2 dimensional. Where classical computation is a function of space and time. Where we can only compute in 1 and 0. Time is a derivative of 2d computation with iteration. When we parallelise 2d computation it rise to space. Quantum computation is 3 dimensional in potential . Where time and space collapse. Let us model the universe with this idea. the quantum scale is infinite precision computing. The universe is zero precision. Scale is a gradient of precision. Time is a function of delta precision. delta precision in precision gradient is space. From microscopic to macro gravity is a symptoms of relative growth between objects in that scale. We can derive that from the bifurcation map where r 0 to 4 can me map into world scale. Plank scale would be 4 and observable universe is 0. From this assumptions, we derive both zero precision and infinite precision is stateless. Therefore no computation. Therefore, zero and infinite precision is both non temporal and non spacial. Space and all the dynamics are in between these two point. Now, we can model the universe with bifurcation map. Where plank scale would be r value 4. And observable universe would be r value 0. From this we can derive the motion for every subsystem in their relative scale. 36:35
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
Getting hard to type and contract my English
@counterflow5719
@counterflow5719 4 жыл бұрын
Please, someone please ask Dr. Penrose: In the Emperor's New Mind refers to Schrodinger stating that life maintains itself alive by sucking up low entropy from its environment. If this is so, then why is no one measuring this? Why is no one "keeping books" on this? Are we sure we are getting enough low entropy in our diets to maintain good health? Are we as a society getting enough low entropy to run governments and schools and healthcare systems?
@Dick_Gozinya
@Dick_Gozinya 3 жыл бұрын
This comment is even drier than I like my martinis. And I don't even allow vermouth in my house!
@counterflow5719
@counterflow5719 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dick_Gozinya not sure what you mean, or what your point is.
@Dick_Gozinya
@Dick_Gozinya 3 жыл бұрын
@@counterflow5719 Well, my point is that it's dry.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dick_Gozinya lol. i concur. i think exactly the right amount of entropy is happening everywhere. if that's good, then that's good, but if it's not - i dread to think. i like a martini now and then.
@jimjackson4256
@jimjackson4256 2 жыл бұрын
What is the entropy of an economic system and what is the difference between different systems?
@user-mf4xf5ps6t
@user-mf4xf5ps6t 3 жыл бұрын
The quantum mind is available now as well as the graviton and the central point of the gravitational field, it’s all within the one how created the energy critical mass last year
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
What do u think
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
R u think that it is a that im not consistent
@jimjackson4256
@jimjackson4256 3 жыл бұрын
Just how deep is he?
@brendawilliams8062
@brendawilliams8062 2 жыл бұрын
A life as a car mechanic is deep Can he repair his own car? He is beyond the scope of measuring in his field.
@darwinlaluna3677
@darwinlaluna3677 2 жыл бұрын
No its reality
@i.m.gurney
@i.m.gurney 4 жыл бұрын
In my view (Condensate Flare Theory), more than one universe can exist at any one time, think solar flares.
@i.m.gurney
@i.m.gurney 4 жыл бұрын
For clarity, I am referring to the Higgs Condensate, In my view, the Higgs being in condensate, predating & spawning our universe & others, repelling all energy (& matter) not of the Higgs Condensate.....just to signal my train of thought, plenty more ;)
@gerardjones7881
@gerardjones7881 4 жыл бұрын
@@i.m.gurney Theres a nobel waiting....after you prove it.
@ewanb2819
@ewanb2819 3 жыл бұрын
yet the rocks are strewn about the forest floor in an asymmetric manner; explain that please? of course the universe is whole and the inside of a rock is perfect, yet perfect forms only touch so far; it seems as if asymmetry is deeply ingrained in the composition of matter; in other words; geometry is more of a coincidence of creation, the creative process itself is not symmetric but asymmetric. This is why it has so much freedom to create. And to develop such interesting creatures. It has few limitations, its only limitation is the environment that it is building upon. It builds in adaptation to the environment the creature occupies. So there is an overall "symmetry" to creation, adapting and creating, yet its creations are often asymmetric in form & placement, perhaps euclidean geometry is too precise, too perfect to be an accurate depictor of reality. Looking at the design upon a butterflies wings, I dis believe that euclidean geometry relates to the creation process.
@ewanb2819
@ewanb2819 3 жыл бұрын
as we build upon the logic and ideas of our predecessors, we experience a sort of entropy effect, the circle that constrains being the past buildup of all rhetoric, language, ideas, beliefs, which we innovate upon. Its the need for something new out of this seeming need for innovation (which the modern mind has produced), that brings about the seeming entropy effect. As we adapt, there are less and less future possible adaptations. When behaving relatively to the logic of the modern mind, originality is only that which is new, it does not matter that it originated from your individual mind, if it has already been done then it is un original, in the eye of the society; the modern mind. This is why there is an entropy effect, because the need for new and unique innovations becomes smaller and smaller , the more we develop our intelligence and beat the dead horse. It seems as if this building pressure demands turning inwards; seeing our own infinite originality that is constantly at work at every singular second; that potential for anything at any moment; the body responds to physics, stimulus, and conditions bound to the "Moment", while the mind is weightless and while it has the capacity to respond in a similar way to the body, to physics, stimulus, & conditions, it likewise has the potential to percieve an innumerable number of realities, the depth of imagination is understated. In fact, the ability to percieve and see with the minds eye is understated, because it has been exploited for the sake of materiality & consumerism. Materiality & consumerism keep the mind in a funnel, of tunnel vision, in which there is a seeming ascent towards light, which represents knowledge. In fact it is this hunger for more that often drives people. Living inside a kaleidoscope of reflection; in which the thoughts are primarily at a material level, people dream through the material lense as well. This is how we are kept at an animal, reactive state, unable to use the entireity of our creative potential, which transcends beyond the immediate emotional algorithmns of the modern day; the machine of stress, into the infinite depth of the waters of understanding. The water of the mind, it has the capacity to feel anything ; and this is what you feel? It is a matter of how you point your mind . Things like stress become so all encompassing that it seems like this is the only reality that exists. This is where entropy takes effect. As the pressure rises, as the circle closes, your mind behaves accordingly. This is what it means to be controlled by emotional algorithmns, that prey upon your response to stimulus. It is a form of emotional vampirism, parasitism, that runs society and is the glue that keeps it in its current state. Keeps people in a state of deprived, to spiritually de hydrate the masses and keep them bleak, mundane, boring. These are ideas that bind people. What liberates is the absence of said feelings, in which the infinite creative potential is percieved, seeing how wide the scope really is, so that there is no need to be trapped by illusions; such as emotional entropy; feelings that the world is coming to an end, things that the astral dimension needs to exist, because it was created by computers. Merging computers with consciousness has already occured, liberate yourself from the modern mind which seeks to assimilate and colonize your own unique mind into its collectivization effort.
@ewanb2819
@ewanb2819 3 жыл бұрын
tldr; entropy exists in space time and the body. Yet the mind is free to percieve of limitless possibilities. So there is no need to be bound by such phenomena. We are free at basis, why be held down by beliefs ?
@ewanb2819
@ewanb2819 3 жыл бұрын
what they've done is that they've manufactured the impression of reality, in totality, by bombarding our senses with so many messages, ideas, images, it has subliminally affected our overall sense of being. This is why boringness has created the need for constant entertainment, and why nothingness has become tainted by the boring. Really; boring is just an idea, a concept created by the modern mind, to describe what is similarly created for similar purposes; the mundane. To take the magic out of life and make it bleak. As such, the initial impression of reality has become predictable, by using money & politics to generate a world view in which these two things are necessities. Really the world turns without them, what is necessary is air, which we have polluted by our lifestyle, being driven onward to consume & produce, when our stomachs and brains are only so big, I say much to say little, really it is the simple truths, such as the mind being infinite while the brain is finite, to concieve of limitless possibilites, that is why they bombard our senses. They know that each person has the creative capacity to see through the illusion of the modern production machine; which industrially produces lights in the sky, aura's, chakkra, kundalini, these are mechanical emotional & technologically engineered, to influence massive populations. Seems to work, so I write tons to convey simple truths that dismantle the needs that feed this machine. Does it work? Maybe, probably not. Still I try. I could have said nothing. I could have said anything. This is what I said. This is quantum physics at work, we are really inquantifiable potential expressing through the quantified, the material, the finite. We build experience and build layers. As we explore the inquantifiable potential, we similarly explore the infinite, and expand intelligence, there is no entropy effect here, there is no limitation. We have learned to identify our inner reality with the church of science, and thus have become body anxious. Body parts cause anxiety and bring people to astral project; which is the new age conspiracy. I was almost astral projected and pulled myself back in. I saw it for what it was; a hoax. There is unlimited potential inside the body & mind, why ever leave it? Experiencing contendness rather than boredom, and building upon the free basis of the mind itself. No need to do breath work to awaken hidden doors; see how they put us in rooms of dream, like the Egyptians used to do? They use ancient methods in a modern settings, un original I know, and then they are smug about it, they brag about their superiority because they compare themselves to you, like vampires. The most high is really the most low.
@stationary.universe.initiative
@stationary.universe.initiative Жыл бұрын
regarding black holes, Prof. Penrose is wrong: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eLiWqZZyy6jXiqM.html
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