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Will you review Pro 7 soon?

I agree! I really hate it when reviewers only show photoshops performance. I was almost going to buy an apple product instead of this because of how much input lag it was showing from photoshop. The other apps definitely helped show this tablet/laptops full potential

If im correct Companies want photoshop because of the file formate. They will take your work and tweak it around but to do so they want the .photoshop to mess with individual layers, ect ect. My In law brother who does web design told me this

@@nobody1575 Yeah, you can save PSD's in almost any program so, that's not it after more than 20 years in digital art I can say, PSD is ubiquitous.

@@nobody1575 that's not really an excuse anymore seeing as the majority of drawing programs out there can save in. PSD. companies who specify you can ONLY work in photoshop are seriously limiting their choices. and honestly, photoshop is a photo editing program first. it's drawing features, however, are not that good. companies and people hiring artists need to start understanding this, and also understand that photoshop is expensive as hell and not a lot of people can afford it on their own.

I remember in college when I was in some sort of storyboarding or character design class, the instructor informed us we NEED to work in photoshop even though I told him photoshop wouldn't allow me to showcase my full range of art skills because there are some things I can't do in that program that I can in my default program, and the drawing program I use saves in PSD anyway. I still used my go-to program and just gave him the files in PSD. there's no difference.

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Thanks 😁

Thanks :-)

I actually decided to stick with my i5! Premier pro works well enough for my uses. Thanks again!

Thanks :-)

Clip Studio should work fine

I use Clip Studio on an HP Spectre x360 and it only lags of the stabilization is set very high. Otherwise it doesn't have noticable lag! And even with high stabilization, it's not a deal breaker.

Did you get a used spro3? I'm looking into a used spro4, 3 for drawing and games.

For future reference... wait until the holidays, especially "Black Friday Sales in the USA," via the Microsoft Store (Store or Online at the Microsoft Store). You can normally get a sale that will include a bundle. The Bundle normally includes the Keyboard Cover and 200 to 500 off the base price. Some places like Costco, will also include the Pen as well! That said: if you are using a Surface for Artwork... Save, Save and Save some more. Get the i7 version. Yes it is worth every penny. This past holiday season, I bought mine - Pro6, i7 ,16gb Ram, 500gb HD. I paid 1599.99 + the Pen & a 256gb Micro SD Card. I also bought the Pro6 i5 with 8gb Ram, 256gb HD for 1199.99 + the Pen and a 128gb MSDC. A few months ago, I did a test to see if I could get away with the i5I ran Photoshop, Leonardo, Concepts and Sketchbook (App version). Working at a 150.00 PPI, (150ppi is the minimum print resolution you might be able to get away with, if not a high end publication). My i7 literally ran circles around the i5. To be fair, the extra 8gb of memory I have, most certainly helps. I have 358gb used out of 500gb and I still have a few add-ons for Photoshop I have to install. I don't know, how you get away with 128gb, if you're an artist. Anyhow... seriously, even if you wait an extra 2 years and use your current Surface Pro 6, until you have literally worn out the scree... if you're an artist, you are cheating yourself by not getting the i7 with 16gb of Ram. Food for thought mate. Hope my info helps a little.

Mate i think everyone would love to have 128gb of ram...

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It would suffice. I did my graphic design course with sp 5 i5/256

buy Surface book, it will solve all your needs.

Having a keyboard with Photoshop will save a lot of time

I've not tried the X1 Yoga so I can't say much.

They work

Those were modeled in 3D software Maya

It looked like it had little to no jitter from what he showed and what he said. Can you refer to a specific timestamp where you saw unacceptable jitter levels?

Not sure about the Samsung as I've not use it. As long as specs are similar they should perform similarly

As a Windows tablet, this is one of the best. Actually if you don't need the quad core processors, the SP5 has some really good deals now with the SP6 out.

@@teohyc many thanks! I'll check both and decide ;)

same

@@arachni4153 is your screen popping out yet? Cause mine is.

Velociraptor from the windows button, yeah

How does it work still good and what processor? I think some of the newer ones are about same price for used on eBay.

I'm watching this on a refurbished Surface Pro 4 (Intel Core m3, 4GB RAM, 128GB SSD).

Not sure what's wrong. Maybe you can find something or ask on the Krita forum on Reddit www.reddit.com/r/krita

What type of work do you do? 16GB RAM is useful if you use a lot of apps, work with huge files. SP6 is a better choice if you really need the processing power, such as when exporting videos.

@@teohyc Thanks for your answer! I'm using MS Office a lot, 10-20 Chrome tabs at a time and photo editing with lightroom and photoshop CC. I don't know if especially for lightroom, the processing power is more important than doubling the ram or if 16 gigs of ram are more important than the two extra cpu cores.

It's mostly Photoshop

I don't have a screen protector for that. So far so good. I didn't have it for the Surface Pro 2017 also.

It you have a case, there’s no need for a screen protector, and you get more vibrant colours.

@@teohyc Thanks for replying!

Good enough for 1080P video editing. But for the same money, it is best to get a more powerful laptop.

I've not used that before so I can't say much. I've only seen it being used with the sketchable app.

For drawing, it’s warm but not hot

@@teohyc thx!

After the palette on screen, the remaining space to draw on is 19 by 14cm.

Medibang Paint Pro? That’s free, and Krita too

@@teohyc thanks very much!!

It no longer has that problem.

Surface book 2 exist, so?

@@crybb Surface Book 2 doesn't have a kickstand, doesn't last long on tablet mode and much more expensive. I do digital art so a bigger tablet screen makes more sense to me. If they put a USB-C then I can use a second screen as well.

@@TeleJazzer hey, check Eve V laptop, maybe it's good deal for you

Fukk Dat I checked it and they’re having problems shipping the product. I don’t take risk on new products especially at that price point ($1k+). Besides, I normally wait for the product to become refurbished before I purchase one so I know it’s working. Different with phones though

I don’t use Adobe Animate so I can’t say much

If you don't already have a computer, the Surface Pro 6 is good enough. You may want to check out the Lenovo Miix 520 also. www.parkablogs.com/content/lenovo-miix-520-vs-surface-pro-2017-artist-review If you have more budget, the Surface Book 2 is good. As a student, you should be eligible to educational discount when you buy from Microsoft Singapore website.

@@teohyc Thanks! I'll look into it.

if you want a cheaper option you may get a good deal on a new surface pro 4 or 5 the 6 isn't really much of an improvement over them ,,, im still using a base i3 surface pro 3 and it runs clip studio no problem,, other than a bit of lag on very large lair heavy works or large particle brushes ,,even then it's not enough of a problem for me to upgrade until it breaks and i will probably get the pro 4 or 5 i5 model then as they have better cpu and double the ram of what i use now,, which like i said im not in a rush to upgrade but would have no problem buying another surface pro

The first few videos were just monthly videos of sketching outings with my friends.

There's no parallax because the gap between the screen and the glass surface is very minimal, and because it's just a 12.3-inch so you're not really using the pen to the far sides. Cursor will always be directly beneath the tip. Pen tip is small so you'll always be able to see the line come out. There's no misalignment. If there's misalignment, I won't be able to join the lines properly.

Thanks for the questions. I'll update with more photos in my text review.

Thank you :)@@teohyc

@@teohyc: Some people still suffer from the offset issue. Also there is another big issue, where the Surface Pens deactivates prematurely when you have a steady hand.

@@JohnSmith-gb8hd My new Surface Pen becomes unresponsive every couple of minutes and on a little investigation it appears that if I draw normally it happens every time. I suspect that when I draw from my shoulder there is little barrel rotation or angle change and therefore the pen thinks I have stopped using it and then goes to sleep. If I rotate the pen intermittently or select the buttons I have no such issue. It happens on my Surface Go and my Surface Pro 2017 and it forced me to buy the Adonit Ink which does not have this issue. Quite a few people on reddit have also reported this, so I am pretty sure I don't have a defective pen. I have just posted a video on my channel demonstrating this issue.

Yes but OBS and live streaming requires lots of processing power so Surface Pro will get really hot.

I don't

If the pen is not shaking and the line is shaking, then it's the line.

Wacom is going to be more accurate

Medibang Paint Pro does not have the fastest refresh rate compared to other drawing apps. Things like zooming, pan and rotate are going to appear laggy. That cursor lag. Do you mean the trailing cursors when you are drawing? You can turn that off. Go to Menu->View->Brush Size and uncheck that. Cursor will turn into a crosshair.

I probably won't review that.

@@teohyc Dayum. Maybe I post something on it. Never posted anything and I'm hardly an artist. DX Thanks for the great reviews tho! Also, what criteria do you use to review products? Guess it's gotta be mainstream enough so it's applicable to people I'm guessing?

@@21area21 Unless I can borrow a product to review, I would have to buy it myself and the criteria is that product must be easy to sell off later without losing too much money.

@@teohyc Gotcha. Yeah, it is on the pricey end too.

Lag probably will remain

@@teohyc Thank you. I would like to purchase the SP6 but getting some mixed feelings over this one and the Lenovo C930. Did you happen to try the Lenovo? Would you still select the SP6 if you had to do it all over again?

@@audreybronson2710 Those 2-in-1 foldable laptops are usually not as good for drawing

@@teohyc Ahh, good to know. Thank you. I think I'll go with the Surface Pro 6, thanks so much for the insight. You have a new follower. I've been watching your video's and they are great. You are a great artist Teoh.

Yes. I had sai v1 on my sp3 and im using sai v2 on surface 2017. The only downside is sai app isnt touch capable. You can use tablet pro screen for short keys but it will take abit of screen view. Sai is the only app so far that i find working with pen without problems.

@@eyhtwozed2606 ok thx

There is palm rejection when the pen is close to the screen

@@teohyc Can you describe more detail. thank

When the pen tip is away from the screen, you can use your finger on the screen. When pen tip is near, the tablet detects the pen and not the finger

@@teohyc Thank. I'm looking for touch screen for drawing. If you have a chance, please review BOSTO 16 HD.

If you already have a computer, get Wacom. It's cheaper. If you don't have a computer or are upgrading, Surface Pro 6

@@teohyc Okay, Thank you, I have a Laptop but no Desktop Pc. And wich size should I take ?

medium is a comfortable size

If you don't have a computer, the Surface Pro is a better option. Desktop OS is more productive and versatile. There's a proper file system that people have been using since computers were made.

Teoh Yi Chie thank you!!!!!

You should search online for images of the box to compare. Also check your serial number on Microsoft Surface website mybusinessservice.surface.com/en-US/CheckWarranty/CheckWarranty

They are sort of the same. Amount of memory is more important and if you can, get 16GB RAM which helps a lot.

It throttles when it's hot. Whether it's connected to power or on battery doesn't matter.

Pro 5 and 6 has significantly less jitter. For normal drawing speed the jitter is not that noticeable. But you can definitely see slight jitter when drawing slowly.

​@@teohyc The price difference between the 5 and 6 is quite substantial, so I really appreciate your reply. Thanks!

I don’t know animation software. Maybe you can search online

Teoh Yi Chie what about drawing?

Lauren M For drawing there are many. Clip Studio Paint, Corel Painter, Sketchbook Pro, Krita, Medibang Paint. Some are free some not

It's good

What drawing app do you use?

@@teohyc I use SpeedyPainter, a free drawing app that I am developing (very basic app, without many features, but I think it can be good for fast sketching) . If you want to give it a try it is available for free on the microsoft store :) . I'm trying to optimize it for the microsoft surface but the pen seems to have a quite different behaviour in terms of pressure sensitivity from the wacom pen and tablets (using wintab technology), especially when drawing fast lines. When I want to draw fast lines that are thick at the start and thin at the end, it is very very difficult to achieve that result. With Wacom instead this comes naturally, as it would happen when you use a normal pen/ink brush on paper. Many compliments for your amazing reviews, they are very informative and detailed :) Keep up the wonderful work :)

Yes

The Lithium battery has a life span. It will deteriorate with age. You may want to visit Microsoft forum or Reddit to research on how to lengthen the battery life/health.

@@teohyc Thank you for your reply!

Would you recommend upgrading from macbook air (2013) to mac mini (2018)? I already have a pretty great monitor but my laptop is starting to fall apart after serving a good 10+ years

The Mac Mini 2018 is very powerful. Get the Intel i5 model and not the i3.

Teoh Yi Chie yes new mac mini is powerful and easy to upgrade.

Maybe check out Supershieldz screen protector on Amazon

@@teohyc much love to you and your channel! I respect you a lot! Bless u and u work.

I use iPad Pro for drawing mostly. If you already have a computer, I recommend iPad. If not, SP6 because it can double as a drawing tablet and computer.

@@teohyc Thanks for your comment. I own a PC (windows) with a Cintiq 27". Maybe i am just afraid to learn something new. Is the iPad not lacking with the Adobe CC suit? is sharing working between PC / iPad easy for you?

@@yoRRnl To transfer files from iPad to PC, I would upload to Google Drive and download from there. Drawing on iPad is intuitive. I'm sure you will have no problems learning or getting used to.

Which program? Medibang Paint Pro is free.

They are kinda similar expect for the ports. SP6 is heavily discounted so it's more value for money.

Oof. Do u use it commonly in the cold? I believe capacitors and batteries don't really enjoy that kind of treatment.

No

why?

What didn't you like about surface pro?

Hey man. Same here. I have been using the SP4 for 3 years now. Since the writing experience was so core to the SP4 experience, I took all my notes on the tablet, but I was never able to make my handwriting look good. After trying for so many semesters, I finally snapped. Went to BestBuy and tried out different laptops for their writing experiences, and I agree that Microsoft is still a long way away. SP6 pen didn't feel nearly as good as the Apple Ipad Pro 2018. Display refresh, pen latency, polling rate and accuracy were night and day between the two devices. That being said, I actually ran in to the Samsung Notebook 9 pen, and I was shocked at how good it was. The pen is right up there with apple, but the rubberized tip makes everything look really nice while the apple pencil felt a little like drawing with jagged pencil lead (not quite that bad, and I've heard a screen protector can make it better). Also, the Samsung pen is a really fine tip, so you know exactly where you're drawing. Apple has a pretty round tip that makes it harder to be accurate imo. (also, i always write/draw with fine tip pens and pencils. They just feel way better and look neater). Now I don't have to compromise between a good writing experience (IPad) and full windows (surface). Feelsgoodman. If you are within the return window, I would really go try the Samsung to know u got the best device! Also, the 2019 version of the 9 Pen is coming probably within the next few weeks! I'm super excited! Edit: Also the pen is tiny for the Samsung, but I believe you can use any Wacom pen you want on it, or grab the Tab S5 pen for that fine point! Literally perfect.

@@21area21 I was seriously considering tab S4 and Galaxy note 9 before buying iPad Pro 2017. I didnt choose Note 9 obviously because of the screen size. I didnt choose Tab S4 because the CPU power is only roughly half iPad Pro 2017. They have the same RAM, but iPad Pro 2017 can manage the RAM better because its faster CPU can cram more data through its fast data encrypt/decrypt. I still ABHOR how limited the customization and file transfer methods are on iOS, but I was looking for a serious, professional grade mobile drawing tablet, and as crazy as it sounds, iPad Pro 2017 + Pencil is the cheapest machine a professional can get without sacrificing performance and quality.

@@geneoakley Oh yeah. I think if you're looking for an amazing experience for the price, nothing can compete with the iPad rn. Did you use Photoshop before going to iPad, and what's it like switching your workflow to iOS?

@@21area21 I used Photoshop a lot for a while, but mostly for graphic design with Illustrator. I only started digital art seriously on Clip Studio with a measly Wacom Bamboo, before going to Medibang on Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1. Now I'm back to Clip Studio(EX) on iOS and I appreciate the desktop-style UI. Using iPad Pro with wireless keyboard gives me the best drawing experience by miles.

@@geneoakley Oh dang, I didn't even think about pairing a wireless keyboard with the iPad. That actually sounds really awesome. Well, thanks a ton for the info. I'm looking for another laptop replacement so I've got my heart set on the 9 Pen rn. I'll try and let ya know how it turns out!

Yes, but I'm not sure how optimally it will work with After Effects as I don't use that software.