Hi, as an upcoming artist. I’d love some feedback. I primarily work in black and white with charcoal or graphite. Do you curate any of this style? Or have suggestions for what you do see of this style selling. I really appreciate this video and its insights! I also appreciate you stating your own affiliations and experience in this space. However I do want to work within a style important to me and the beauty I see in the world. I would not want to simply create art for the masses that fits the videos guidelines to simply sell. I would love to incorporate these lessons to highlight my style. That said I’m still developing and finding my own style so any advice or guidance would be appreciated and find its way to influence work.

Hello. Another artist. How could I get noticed by art consultants or buyers?

How much is her art program?

Bitter

I thought it was about creating art the general public wants to buy? Why is a collector that much more emphasized? I’m asking as a beginner artist.

It's not good advice for non snobbish folks however, it's not bad advice for snobbish folks who want a stamp of approval from an "expert" . Just know your audience and how much money you can squeeze and or scam out of them. by the way Bob Ross would not approve of her message or video there are only happy little trees and plus she most likely dismiss most of Norman Rockwell's art as being too candy or tacky for high society, I highly doubt she would ever recommend Maxfield Parrish Daybreak because it's been over done and in too many houses, Standing out and being better than others is her under tone of her message about art you should have your home. Makes a true artist want to puke.

I think the part of "her experiences, exposure and learnings" is a cop out here. You move away from personal experience when you say certain things "won't sell". I can definitely invalidate those things because she made a strong direct statement. It's also a dangerous statement because it invalidates cultural art, political art and a few other fields that are actually very important.

I plain disagreed with some of her comparisons. The arguments made sense but my gut was saying fuck no the other is better what you talking about. My gut judges art not words. She makes my gut go brrrrr no.

There are people that do art for the love of creating. And there are people that create to SELL. The only creatives get REALLY angry when they hear only certain types of art sell consistently

Because you’re not an artist

The minute I think about what sells is the minute my joy goes out of it and it becomes no longer art or expression for me. And I not only lose that sense of joy or expression I also look at it and think that took so long and a factory in China could have and does. Make thousands of similar stuff for dirt cheap. It's soul destroying, in my opinion. But ever has it been. The people painting Kings portraits never got to express anything. I'd rather be a cleaner than spend 10 hours making a painting that barely makes 100 dollars. 10 dollars and hour for my time and nothing for materials. No id rsther clean for 10 bucks and hour or sell fries and enjoy making ym own weird art for myself and if aomone else likes it great. Art college is all about selling and to me it is soul destroying.

@serendipidus8482 That is the problem with the entertainment industry. Everything must be dumbed down to pander and sell to the mainstream public. The old masters didn’t care about that. Look at Giger, Dali, Bacon, Picasso etc. they all did their own weird thing and stood out, but to be the next big name is not easy

meh...sort of "most people" I'd have to say I disagree with 90% of art definitions generally, anyways. Orange doesn't make me hungry, etc. Tapping into something deeper than marketing is probably more what "collectors" look for. Making coordinating pieces is helpful for decorators. By all means, if you as a creator are happy and comfortable with this model of marketing driven art-do it! WC Fields wasn't poor! Ain't nothing wrong with that, either. Just isn't for me-or any of my friends.

@lizzyshengshengzhou depends, I would take her advice on a more abstract level. It is good to adapt to the clients and curators you encounter and learn and adjust based on real world feedback. There is no secret style or color that sells better and when everyone makes it, it becomes obsolete and cheap, but it is great advice to inform on what the market is and what types of currents sell as well. Depending on the place you live and the culture and set of clients, there can still be differences in what particularly sells.

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Always good to get new ideas on what is selling, but really are you creating for what sells or what you need to paint? But Tom- I hear what you say.. and haha... I am here listening too. Good luck from a fellow 69 grad.

@@milanartappwhere is the waitlist?

I feel you, Tom. This year, I found out that I had a congenital aortic valve prob and had open heart surgery. Now, at 52, I'm trying a do-over with an art career I left unresolved. Hang in there Tom, never too late as long as you have today. Regardless of their art institute program, I appreciate the generosity and relevance of the content shared in this video.

Born in 1969, so I loved art from that day

This is for people who want to paint paintings for over a couch painting, with out any humanity or soul involved.

Don't forget investor art, which lives in free ports and bank vaults

That is so cool! I'm glad you commented.😊

Masterbation is fine, if it makes you happy.

I don't try very hard to sell my art because I prefer to paint/draw/sculpt/write than spending any time trying to figure out what and how to sell anything. I have had exhibitions and it was fun, but my goodness it takes up sooooooooooooooo much time! I must admit, however, that when a perfect stranger comes along and is willing to give that much money for something you made from a piece of canvas, squirts of paint and a whole lot of thinking, finding, deciding, changing, improving, and time, it does feel good! An artist doesn't have to be commercial to sell art, they just have to accept that they're not going to sell as much art as an artist who is intent on selling what they make and who tailors their work to some extent in order to sell it.

It's for everyone...but not everyone has the humility and capacity to look at their body of work or even, see if we have one, our language of creativity of it matches with the world and be compassionate but straight with our judgment towards us and others/the world, read into what is the current of the world for art at any given moment, why and that it doesn't have anything to do with us as artist, have the capacity to separate our talent of whether it's being valued or not and why.....or that and also don't have the actual interest and that second one it's ok, the first one of course would be problematic, not everyone can do that.

@@elartistaenelsuenolucidofantastic word salad

@@true_plays_games I don't think is that difficult to follow, but like I said, not everyone gets it and acknowledge as important, maybe read it again

I'm glad someone clarified because I did like a lot of the ones she said wouldn't sell as well. Those vibrant rainbow ones were amazing.

Nice

The true heart of Art is wonderful to see.. That spirit. Unyielding. A torrent of rebellion against the grain of all things this world demands you to be. I can see you !!! For you are me!!

Van Gogh only sold 1 painting during his lifetime... definitely one of my favorites tho..

Great points of color and subject matter composition here. But as just starting in the market for selling my art, I am finding that there's as many different reasons people buy as there are stars in the sky. It is open for anything, every style and price. There's big money in big market and big cost to break into. In order to sell in those markets you have to pay 50% or more of your sell to the promoter, andthen theres your overhead. I'm finding most promotional offers are so overpriced, no way to clear a profit! Go figure who's making the money.😏

I don t see excellence here. That s what the difference is. If craftmanship is at mindblowing level it is automatically art. This is just average curtain design.

@@rayerscarpensael2300 As craftsman I tend to agree, but I just visited the art museum at my state capital. Contemporary art seems to hold that idea in contempt. I can sympathize. I've demolished too many wonderfully crafted kitchens and replaced with fashionable prefabs to place much social value on craftsmanship. Just the other day I was looking at a hand carved trunk that sold for $50.00. It was professional quality work. $50.00 is just what it would cost for me to have the lumber delivered to do that job.

So true, unless you're in Yale's art program, where 99% of NYC galleries and Museums draw from, the colleges prepare you for a teaching career (likely with the institution giving you your credentials).

I’ve had a lot of success with the way these topics are being taught on their channel. I absolutely hate teaching, but I need a refresher every now and then about the right way to market art in this modern world. Highly recommend this channel!

Do what you need to do,if you want to teach......good luck

i agree 100% my art is really dark and since ive been trying to sell art is hard to find the market for it. stay you colin and keep your art dark. deadman art studio is my art studio. check it out

Thought provoking work is not as popular as decorative work. Nothing wrong with that, just price it higher for the more discerning clients.

I am with you there. I stopped watching the video, when she said: "We don't want to paint war" or paint pain. I thought of the long lines of people in front of the Reina Sofia, waiting under the sun to be able to get a glance of the Guernica of Picasso.

​@@mariewoodbridge251But the same people who Gaze in awe at Guernica won't have a copy of it on their living room wall but go for a painting of a flower vase. EVERY artist paints for an audience. Decide WHO you want to paint for. Not hard.

@@mariewoodbridge251yet you reigned to hang around long enough to leave a comment. 😊

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I completely relate to you. Not alone. There’s always Hope!

@@milanartapp😮

I did go to art school, it didn’t lead to much😢success. Got lost 😂

Think you didn't get the message at all...

Since the overflow of quotes in tumblr, there is a whole generation that repeats constantly those quotes like credos. This "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is one of them. But not everything is relative, not at all, and definitely there is good art and terrible art, despite there is a massive amount of people without taste that love terrible art. Actually, although your intention was saying that art is not a mercantile product (and I agree that videos like this one are horrible in that sense), the relativism you preach is precisely one of the main tools of capitalism to reduce art into a mere product. I mean, relativism is good for market, because that way you can sell all types of art, good and horrible, since you'll always find people who like it and buy it. That's one of the reasons nowadays art is so terrible, because the market is encouraging the making of a massive amount of terrible art because there is a massive amount of people who like and buy terrible art. So, you see where all that "Art or Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" has taken art to.

This is true , yet artistic expression is a language of sorts and when we tell a story or speak , the listener or the audience has a better more informative experience, leading to a greater understanding, when using refined , descriptive language. There’s a way. An art to expressing oneself and be effective. And this is the same with painting. And this takes time, experience, work , learning, experimenting, failing, succeeding and eventually finding your balance. You know when someone is talking and you just know they know what they are talking about and you give them respect and appreciate this lesson… kinda like this one …. Lots of people talk and say stuff but some they catch your ear. A painting is not different. The experience, the refinement, it just resonates through between the lines. Good art that sells is like that. Anyone can talk and say whatever and it’s not that profound. But when it is , you know it is. It stands out from the rest. Tribulation,experience and passion definitely drives refinement. In a person spiritually and in art. Art is the expression of life and consciousness, of perception and awareness. That of oneself, the world around them and their experience. If consciousness is a spectrum on which one can vibrate lower or on higher levels, Meaning it can be an increased experience or a decreased experience of being conscious and aware, then so would be its manifestations, your manifestations, including ones Art. In other words, we are attracted to things that elevate us , make us feel smarter and sophisticated. Hence art work that is will sell more easily. Is I’m pretty sure she meant. But all expressions are valid , that is true . Just not everyone wants to see or hear it. That’s the difference

Based on the work ive sold this is definitely true😅

​@@elartistaenelsuenolucidoGive us the Cliff notes Rembrandt😅

If you shine a capitalist's eye on it, you might consider the buyer, not the painter and especially not your own view.

As a former art consultant for 20 years, who sold thousands of images painted by other artists, I can tell you that the vast majority of buyers preferred impressionistic landscapes. Next in line were gardens and abstracts. Photography was low on the list.

Totally bogus. The big time "capitalists" buy art for investing. Someone who paints to please everyone will never succeed in the big leagues. This tutorial is basically directed at the mediocre merchant selling for volume not for significant profit.

She is being pretty specific that this is geared more toward interior design and most people do not generally decorate with graphic styles. There were a few examples where I agree with you that I personally liked the "negative" one more but the style of work that I believe you are eluding to is more successful in the digital market or for product design, which is a VERY different thing and lends itself better to transitioning into various products or looks great digitally vs print.

Yeah, but there are visual languages more prevalent than others and that is going to be even more strong in specific contexts and in this video she is giving the visual language that reads into this sphere...so even tho I liked many of the bad examples or both of them, I gave her the reason cause it's talking about a context not whether there's art that is right or wrong or debating if taste is fixed or in the eye of the beholder.

Figurative is never as popular as landscapes, for instance.

@@MissDarlingArts half of what I do is landscapes.

Your never too old, we are eternal ✨ I think you should believe in yourself and magic will happen 🙂

You can do it at anytime, dear listen your inner voice!

Feel the fear and do it anyway. I got waylayed by the money demon over the years but I will be signing up for next November and next yr about the same time I turn 70...no excuses.

You don't have to make money from your work. I've been drawing and painting for 50 years, since I was 3. I have a collection of 15 pieces that I will leave to my children and my descendents will enjoy them. Buy some art supplies, look for inspiration and that will get you a started.

I'm in re-entry. You are not alone.

I was pretty turned off by some of this video in particular when she talked about her daughter selling art. I couldn't help but feel like the only reason her daughter was selling art at such a young age is because she has privilege and parents who are well connected in the art world. I want to see art from people who don't have privilege. Her daughter's art looks generic. Everyone is doing that kind of art.

​@@gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919not totally generic, and shes developing.

@@gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919 I love her daughter's art and it's very beautiful. I would buy it

This was an hour long free workshop. Do you think she had time here to get into every aspect of the business? This was a FREE chunk of her time giving you some valuable information. How about thank you.

You are spot on with your comment! At $17/hr X 40 hrs = $680 every single week at a minimum wage job. To paint a picture, it would take many more hours and do all the work, marketing, dealing with obnoxious gallery owners, pounding the pavement, setting up art shows, dealing with egos etc etc etc.! If the work does not sell, you are out all your time, effort and money including what you shell out for a decent frame! Your comment was right on target and i'm glad you were truthful!!

Dear ArtSocial. In the final analysis, it comes down to "taste". As in, there's no accounting for peoples' taste. Respectfully, there are many in the comments who do not agree with your idea of what is good and what is preferable. Everyone is different. That people are different is not just OK, it makes the world a much more interesting, varied, a richer place to live and thrive.

It seems to me she is not discussing tastes as much as she is presenting an exemplar of what sells; what is marketable.

@@mai_8j888 Agreed. But I also agree with what @patriciaperlman3073 said. This is a video on how to _sell_ your art-- more specifically, how to make a decent living doing it. It's for those who want to create art that appeals to a wide audience, rather than what appeals to the unique individual who falls in love with the one-off piece for his or her own personal reasons.

You're exactly right Patricia. I think the misconception here is that she's saying some art is objectively bad or objectively ugly. Of course there will be some people who disagree with Elli's subjective opinion. We're all humans. But with Elli's vast experience in selling art in both the collectible (fine art) and decorative (decor art) markets, what she teaches here, is what she has learned.@@patriciaperlman3073

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thank you for your condescention and hubris from the comfort of a normal income. now please move out of the way so actual artists can buy food

@viktoriapeterson489. Never forget Grandma Moses, you are never to old to fill you basket of dreams.

In most cases, odd numbers work best.

Where can I find out more about this artist?

Do it in photoshop to get better ... Lay out your colours on a colour picker and set your canvers to make everything black and white make your painting and turn your colour back on when your finshed This helped me massively as it made me understand i was focusing on the wrong aspects

...it's simple , go out into nature and see its colour combos at any location. Spend a day there and take photos of the same object-subject on the hour til the light runs out.

I agree, there were several examples where I preferred the "wrong" art over the "correct" art. Everyone has different tastes and I think there's really no right or wrong in art. If I'm going to create, I'm going to create things that I like and I'm sure there will be others out there who like them too.

She is talking about the masses and she was correct on everything. You then are more quirky in your taste. I was 20 years an art consultant and everything she said was on point. There are always a few exceptions.

Wrong

Yes, it’s just way smaller, that’s all.

That’s why you have struggled and always will.

WATCH "The curse of creativety". Just do it.

Yep.

Yeh currently working as a scientist/ engineer and do art on the weekend. I'd love to do art full time, but if I have to cater to the market and paint what others want, it would really reduce the pleasure I get from art.

On your ‘open ended’, I much prefer the scene on the right with the detail, it’s so much more intriging and interesting. The left one is boring, just a horse, you look once and there’s nothing left to look at and discover.

The difference which a lot of people are talking about and she seems to state clearly is that she is working in the decor market. Yes guernica or Picassos blue period. Bacon Goya Klimt Munch Freud basquiat even banksy all these deal in some way and may portray pain but they are not working in decor art market. If you have a museum level art piece it doesn’t matter if it matches your sofa it’s the strength and importance of the piece and there’s a whole separate market for investment pieces and plenty of people that love the uniqueness or breaking the mold that each of those artists bring to the table. As well as many people who know nothing and feel nothing but the status brought by ownership of the rare ultra pricey piece and it’s ability to move and almost control the market money through the insiders club of collectors. That’s a whole separate parallel topic to decor art. Many people love decorative art with colors and shapes and themes that are easier per say and don’t have to be groundbreaking but give them a feeling they enjoy and they want to match colors and not spend collectible art level money or may not have that money to spend. Even in her example of corporate art where sometimes the painting in a hall can’t draw your attention too much to stop you seems counterintuitive but without the art the rooms would feel bland. It’s just going for a different area of art where she claims money can be made for those that figure out how. It’s a parallel market. They both exist. Imagine a family restaurant with a bunch of Francis bacons on the wall. Unless it’s a steak house maybe jk. Not so appealing even though they are awesome paintings. She says clearly decor art.

@@ib6903 she says she USED to work in the decor market, and I believe in another video she mentioned that she didn’t really like it, and that she preferred making her own art. Which is why she doesn’t say she’s teaching us to create decorative art, but art.

Skills, style, gothic, trendy, you could go on n on, it's the eye of the beholder " I know I go to Art shows to see who's who, to me what reaches out and grabs you! 😉👍

Yes she does. As a 20 year art consultant I can say everything she said was correct. Most people love impressionistic landscapes, garden scenes and maybe some florals or seascapes. Figuratives with no faces or at least pretty faces would be residential art only. Best if it blends with the decor or makes a bold statement. Nothing odd, grotesque, weird, depressing, aggressive, violent. Hardly ever a Picasso. There are always those with strange taste, but most people prefer beautiful art that has no secretive agenda or message.

​@@ib6903❤THANK YOU and well said. I prefer happy painting and things that bring joy. Dark and depressing art is good for business down at the phyco ward. Just saying, and not being ugly. It's about how you feel when you look at the painting and the message you receive.

They don't say that. She's intentionally misrepresenting art school to market her content. I went to the same art school a couple of years before her and not one of my painting instructors ever said that.

No and yes...get it?

You are so welcome!!

Oh gees, nothing ever sells unless it is pleasing to the buyer.

@@MissDarlingArts Where did I imply that was not the case? Read my OP again, and try thinking about it this time.

I guess if you already know what art collectos want then the only thing you could get out of this would be help finding a way to incorporate your artistic voice into art that wanted by art collectors and therefore sellable

Collectors don't want the same thing as people looking for decor items. The decor market is much bigger, especially with corporate offices. Nothing wrong with decor being gentle or "uplifting" - we don't really want Guernica over the dining table or over the bed.

A different Freud, but Sigmund Freud is a famous, well loved, fellow Jewish person.

Indeed! Nice profile picture by the way. Did you paint the flamingo? :)

@@SweetArt360 thank you, it’s not paint. It’s all fabric and thread. 💕

@@cynthiaminoli Oh, that's cool! 🌻

@@SweetArt360 thanks. Trying to implement art principles that I’m learning here with fabric.

Ya.. I prefered more of the "bad" ones than the good... this is pretty questionable... remember she sells to a Very specific audience- home decorators.... who don't necessarily recognize or appreciate fine art... they are interested in aestic design and comfort... they don't want good art... they want art that fits their purpose.

@@SeanMahoneyfitnessandart I have not met many people who "appreciate fine art" apart from fellow artists. It used to be a joke in our little circle of painters that we, and only we the artists, had a true appreciation of what we created. We all sold at exhibitions, but realised that most people bought something that would 'look good' on their living room wall, not something they considered to be unique or well-executed. Also, for some people buying a painting from an exhibition is something they can tell their friends about and are more likely to buy if there is a little blurb about the artist having been a student at a renowned academy (such as the koninklijke kunstacademie antwerpen (where Van Gogh went)) so there can be an element of snobbism about art with regards to the buyers' motivation. As an artist with paintings in an exhibition, I really did not mind what the buyer's motivation was but an appreciation of fine art was not something I encountered very much. So, as an artist, I think it is interesting to watch videos such as this one and take from it what is useful for oneself and discard the rest. This is exactly what we students did at the art academy in Antwerp, after the first year. Teachers, no matter how great they are as artists, do not know everything (and don't pretend to). A teacher's role is to help a student develop their own style by sharing with them what they have learned. Every buyer of art wants art that fits their purpose: a living room wall, impress friends, invest in artwork, add to their collection, sell for more to someone else, have something they enjoy looking at, show off to their friends, prove how cultured they are, etc. Someone once told Matisse (I think) that his work was purely decorative. He responded "show me art that is not decorative". Or something to that effect. I'm terrible with quotes. But it was someone famous and that was the gist of it, hahahahhahaah!

Agree art is personal preference I paint what I feel 😮