Nah, they were too busy touching their employees to plan anywhere near that far

🤣🤣🤣 I can see Blizzard devs reading your post and be like: Yes we did 🙄

@randomguy8196 because pandaria was hidden away by magical means? Keeping it constantly moving. It wasn't until it stopped moving and the view was lifted until it returned to the architect's design...or some other generic reason.

@@ganzrelgaming3772 I don't think Pandaria was moving, just shrouded in mist. The moving around thing you're thinking of is probably the turtle Shen-zin Su, whose back is the Pandaren starting area.

@@jamestomlin5525 I feel like people like you have never worked at a big company before. Every job I’ve had involved sexual misconduct. Literally every single job. This has been going on for many years. Think of a company you like… that place has had sexual misconduct 100 percent. This is the life we live. Does that make it ok? No. But I can’t believe how many people are actually surprised about it. Also funny that people buy from companies that are literally know for slave labor but that’s ok I guess.

Mop pvp was awesome. Timeless isle, become killable by your own faction. It was so much fun.

@@KNByam especially when people started flaming you in general chat for killing them lmao

I also remember how mythic raiding geared ppl one shotted me in full pvp gear. In wpvp PvE items was king in MoP.

Fuck I love MoP. Hate the pandas, that's sound mad seeming as it was a panda expac. Bar the pandas loved it. Raids, pvp, great xpac.

@@leroy253 The zones were nice too. Lots of fun stuff to do in the world. I love using the Potion of luck and farming hozen on my mage. Tons of gold made.

Wanna play 2gether?

@@shalage Can I add you to my friends list? Which later turns to join my guild and thus a great friendship began.

You are 17 years older now. Things will never be the same .

Blizzard doesn't make games to be fun, it makes them to make money. That's why Asmon's suggestion is just crazy talk. Devs cant think "what would be fun". They have to start with a monetization plan and then think how to implement it into the game. Fun has nothing to with this.

The brightest and least molested developers at Blizzard are too busy playing the real life survival horror game "Working At Blizzard" to do any game development.

but still making $$$

What happened? Corporate Management did.

A lot of the changes they made for infrastructure and practicality reasons completely gutted the original feeling of WoW. Like megasharding & cross-server transfers & cross-server PVP--it's one reason I was never interested in "Classic", because it wasn't Vanilla. Vanilla meant single server queues and single server communities. Without that you're not even really talking about the same game.

@@zeriel9148 Yeah, I miss having dedicated PVP servers where open world PVP was a thing and even on normal servers you could be in PVP mode and it took 5 minutes to toggle off. None of this phasing bs where if you're in war mode you can't see friends, etc unless they go war mode as well.

@Rose Anne Boushard why dat man gotta break ToS to enjoy da game?

pvp is the best its probly ever been. Every day solo que for 2’s and 3’s doesnt exist it doesnt matter though cause the system is shit rn.

@@SlappedOut because the company running the game mismanage it maybe??

I think alot of people are forgetting that they asked the top everquest players for advice on how to make vanilla wow..they named ice cream after them ingame "tigor and folal" icecream..idk the 2nd guys name spelling

It really is funny, considering a few people have stated that mob grinding was intended to be the main form of leveling, with only 50 quests available to each faction through the whole game

there were tons of mmos with solo content at the time. for example i played an korean mmo called kalonline before wow came out and it had alot of solo content. wow wasnt special in tha regard it was more like not losing gear and exp upon death etc which made wow special imo. also leveling up via quests and not just grinding mobs 24/7 for exp was a big deal aswell i think wow was the first mmo which found the perfect mix between grinding and questing.

I think coming up with new ideas in something that seems set in stone is harder than it sounds. It seems so obvious to us now, but I bet back then thinking Quests could be a main focus was a mind-blowing concept. I think many early mmo games focused on the mmo and thought that the main focus wasn't solo content but mmo content with groups... Makes sense in a way. We're just used to what an mmo is today.

@@trixdream kalonline came out 8 months before wow did..they were making the game for almost a decade. Also losing ur gear on death in everquest was fucking aids

I enjoyed them, and were very good games during the times and have a lot of friends who still enjoy them greatly. I haven’t played in over a decade.

Major respect for your infinite hope. o7 Not sure many of us can find the same, but...

Have you ever played them?

@@jonathansoko1085 So does your mom.

Just give up on wow and start a new game... It's beyond destroyed now.

WoW is Asmon's life and blood, pretty much. His own mum introduced him to it. Sure he might leave it for other games but he will always, always return

That doesn't make money unfortunately

If you think game companies actually care about their players, then you really haven't played other games. FF14 has its own stuff that we aren't seeing. The Japanese Player base do not praise Yoshi and his team like Western Players do. If you think they are the perfect devs you are very wrong. No company cares about their players. No company ever will.

Warcraft 4, plot twist being everything from Wrath on wards was a fever dream mixed with prophecies from the afterlife during the LK encounter where the adventurers do actually die because no deus ex machina happened, but equally Malgyos (the then in lore physical manifestation of magic on Azeroth before nexus retconned that) never died, but was aided in preventing LK rez Galakrond (which could double as the tutorial mission of hypothetical WC4) thus he, Nozdormu and Ysera interfered and tried to show the alt timelines (but LKs necromancy combined with the presence of Yogg mishmashed nonsense nightmares into them) causing the player to end up rallying the factions to destroy the burning legion, keep LKs ego in check/convince that turning everyone undead isnt required and depending on each of the 8~10 campaigns allying with WoWs biggest badasses. Maybe to do what blizz wanted with SC2 initially with a siding/faction tie in alteration where you can join the Dragonflights or/and LK rezzing Galakrond as a big stick against the Legion, Old Gods in unlocking the full potential of the curse of the flesh or directly try yoink the Titans attention to fix their lost brother in arms.

@@iceman3317 They do care about their players though. As a customer, not as a human.

@@iceman3317 as someone who has played the Japanese version in Japan, you are so full of crap

@randomguy8196 Dunno about that, I played the most in TBC & Wrath and burst generally worked fine in TBC. The only issue TBC had was in 2v2 with druid healing being really hard to deal with due to lack of ability to burst through it with 2 players. But then Blizzard themselves said 2v2 was just for fun. Ironically 3v3 and 5v5 especially had the opposite problem with windfury shamans & burst being so overpowered that trying to defend seemed pointless. Wrath went even further in that direction with the launch balance being so bad that TBC players could only laugh and joke about the state of the game, with Ret Paladins (like you mentioned) & Death Knights being actual facerolling gameplay. I think what finally killed PVP in WoW was them fucking around with item restrictions. First saying you couldn't use certain PVE items, and then just flat out item scaling. A big part of the interest in PVP was getting to see your gear do stuff in PVP, without that motivation it just became pointless.

Agree i think shadowlands pvp would be really good without external powers added to it

@randomguy8196 I never had any problem with it being on the receiving end or the giving end. If you didn't like your results, you just went out and got the gear you wanted. That was the whole point of an MMORPG.

the meta is fast and exciting right now. its the best its ever been. the burstiness adds so much more interesting scenarios

You don't know what you're talking about. Cata pvp was several times over better than wotlk.

I remember before TBC came out there were some leaks of similar stuff. Outlands map data was the big thing and looked cool, but there was also Emerald Dream maps--which nothing ever came of that I know of.

Huh?

Stuck in an endless loop of "remembering the good days" is a coping method.

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"A 4 is f**kable, a 2 is not" Words to live by

My favorite questing is goblins their own islands they had cars dragon its definitely was better or equal to worgens

just like rats in a maze

They should be rightfully criticized for the things that aren't good, but they should also be given credit for the things they attempt to make better. If you don't care and have given up on WoW, fine; you don't need to convince anyone else. But if they work to make a better game and succeed, I'm still going to give them a shot.

@@troodon1096 you know there are other games right? Why not give your time and attention to other game devs who are actually taking the time and effort to do things right by their community, instead of sticking with this corpse of a game studio?

Imagine thinking that having paid functions in the game is wrong. Get a job kid

@@dimitris6258 Having paid functions in the game is wrong if the game itself already requires monthly subscriptions to play and for you to also individually buy the expansions for the price of a full game. Atleast those said paid functions shouldn't affect gameplay ANYHOW, they should only be cosmetics and stuff. Look at Dota 2, it's free, yet you still can fully play the game without being limited behind a paywall, yet they still make a shitton of money from those paid functions. Granted you can play Classic without having to pay, but you can't tell me that in those servers where one faction is in a huge majority and makes the game unplayable for the other faction to the point they must transfer is somehow not connected to Blizzard's shady businesses either. Also that there are still huge amounts of bots and gold sellers in the game.

I really don’t understand how video games developers don’t care about the game they’re making kinda sad

@@Nightykk you would think they want money right, why not make an interesting game people want to play? Instead they go for mobile game style, since it's cheaper to make I guess

@@Mazxlol Because they got so many bots and gold sellers that those people give them as much money as they would have if they had 2-3x the playerbase without any bullshit.

the crazy thing is that they could be making even more money but no , they are lazy even with that it's surreal

@@guerravpb exactly... its just so strange... i mean they gotta have some kind of reason behind it. you know Bobby would be on it. maybe we dont understand

Man I miss ashran too. Evne though wod lacked so much, I didn't ubsub because I could always go to ashran and murder people easily and be handily rewarded for it, progressing quite solid per match or just having some fun. Easier as a rogue player at times naturally lol. But the progression was good. All pvpers could attain solid gear respectively through effort invested, and outside of this, it was just fun to make raid groups and gank the alliance base between games. Most hilariously was when AA wielding players, such as druids with flying partially joined in on these sneak attacks for better or for worse. Great memories. Most of all I miss the fun open world pvp and world defense chat. So many things weren't restricted back in wod, toys, items, tents, and the whole world was a battleground Ion hazzikostasis ruined most of this and to this day won't comment on the lack of world def chat. Such a fucking clown.

Same reason people cry about AV, they run into 40 people, lose, and that's enough to decide that battleground is unfair, uneven and bullshit. You'd think nobody is really that stupid but people who say Ashran was a bad BG are that stupid. It takes somebody stupid enough to sprint into 40 people over and over again to forget how much fun Ashran was. The post-WoD version is very disappointing but when it was current content, that shit was popping. The only people who didn't enjoy it were bitter, moody wow addicts who only continued to play the game because it's all they know. If you actually took the time to learn how the zone works there was tons of content, solo, group, pvp, pve, misc but people only cry about the one moment in the BG where their base is being pushed in by the entire enemy team, as if they've never lost a BG in their life before.

BC was the best when it came to pvp and its not even close, but screw pvp they always ruin specs for pve because the pvpers cry about them

I BEGGED AND BEGGED for an instance like ZG.. it took years but they made it

@@MyN0N4M3 This is true. I loved to travel with my friends and looking up for some fights in world. Or attack horde village and then stronger guys come to defend it from us. Such an epic moments that i will remember for a long time

i used to play worgen to be a "human" druid and just heal people in raids

I thought so too until I rolled a druid. Worgen forms should have been beefed up versions of werewolves not some weird cat hybrid. Blizzard laziness at it's best

@@stephaniephouotrides2435 yeah, that's why i was dissapointed and ended up playing it as a healer only

Don't forget cross-realm nonsense. Everybody is just a silhouette now.

Also the only time the old world seemed relevant to them largely is when they entirely revamped it in Cata. They didn't need to revamp it entirely, imo they should have just done what they did with the bronze dragonflight on certain maps. They need to stop this whole "here's 4-5 new zones every expansion that are half baked and uninspired." They also don't expand on certain zone thematics or prop up any character gradually anymore. Last character they gradually worked on imo was Garrosh. Sylv has been around since vanilla so i don't count her.

Ahhh but we " the classic + " Ppl were a monority back then before tbc classic was announced .. classic+ has already so much almost done content they can just use it and create classic+ as the horizontal progresion version of wow un contrast of retail wow being the vertical 1

if you get into the game now, you can't even get the full story, Destiny 2 is such a mess.

destiny 2 andy lol

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Yeah I dunno what the fuck he was talking about there. Like it just seemed wrong to me as someone who played both. Sure WoW had a lot of quests, but launch WoW only had like maybe a dozen quests in some zones, and EQ certainly had a bunch of quests. They just tended to be obscure and not easy to figure out compared to WoW's brainless "kill 10 of X, bring me 20 bear livers".

large scale battles would make servers burn - it can't be happening

Also, woohoo! Made the edit! 1:00

yikes, blizzard can murder cats.dogs and a baby and you all would completely forget about it because of the hopes of a good expansion despite the last two being complete trash, this is why blizzard does the things they do, they get away with it, always, the saying that a company is only one game release away from their customers completely forgiving what they have done beforehand is very true in blizzards case

@@FimbongBass because the GAME has nothing to do with anything of that? we hate the company/workers not the game. my bad for wanting to play a game that I’ve enjoyed for a while. lets just drop anything we enjoy when bad news are involved eventually we can eat nothing either since every company has dogshit people in it. Not saying blizzard is good, like I said the shitty people that work there are disgusting, I hope eventually they are fired and we have a nice work ethic going on with everyone, but that’s wishful thinking.

Leak was horrible. I feel like I’m not in reality anymore with all the people saying it sounds good. It was literally just Zereth Mortis open world grinding made even worse.

Who would make that expansion though when Bliz can't keep it's employees?

ff14 is horrible I Rather watch paint dry

@@supermax64 That's actually an interesting way to look at alot of conflicts. The amount of times WoW uses mind control as a plot tool is just ridiculous. From a game called Warcraft, you would expect more that the point of conflicts would mainly be because of differing views.

I think Metzen’s logic is 100% why the game was at least serviceable for the time he was there. He refused to let blatant plot holes like that into the game for the most part, and because of that WoW was still a “good” game. We need another person like Metzen who understands that cohesive lore is important, that’s what WoW is lacking right now.

@@logan62097 No way. Burning Crusade lore was trash. People only liked Wotlk story because of Warcraft 3, it couldn't have stood on it's own. Wow has NEVER had a good main plot.

The problem is knowing the devs at Blizzard the result would be a woke Classic. Like, turbowoke. As in "All gas, no brakes" woke. Because that is the kind of game these devs wished WOW was when they were kids. They wished it was a massive woke sermon.

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@Joe G You get to choose from five hundred genders, including fruit - but not Male or Female. In fact genders are races now and all have the same stats.

as soon as someone gets the bounty it's so much fun people actually get together to kill them

Warmode is cool? They had that feature from the beginning. It's called pick a pve server.

A lot of people don't know this, but there were a number of designers, developers, and writers from EQ (Verant/SOE or the EQ player community itself) that ended up working on WoW.

Honestly they should just make pvp rewards cosmetic only, and make a Diablo 3 style talent/stat point system for each pvp mode. Far more balanced, no bs with people stomping one mode because they grind another.

Forsaken dont decay cause reasons

@@shrubninja6444 FF XIV expansions are dead empty compared to wow...

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You think its stale due to just its age? after that many years of anything it can become stale, genuinely curious?

@@RizeCondor No. Bad expansion after bad expansion has made it stale. The devs creating shit content is what has made it stale, plus countless other reasons.

it will be shit, just like every xpac since Legion

Mine is the uninstall wizard

>not playing naga for the lovecraftian references edit: thats not out yet? my bad, set the time machine to the wrong year - thought it was 2032. enjoy the sugma variant.

@@grey_blue2513 same, im still snorting lines of copium while hoping for a good expansion tho

The way I think of it as Blizzard wanted to make a mobile game and WoW was the testing grounds. Kinda suks they drove it into the ground

@@VeloVios fam, I totally feel ya on the part where they drove it into the ground but I don't believe it was ever intended for mobile though they could pull it off these days. Maybe that's what you're implying as of why they're driving it into the ground is to make/port it to mobile?

@@VeloVios wasn’t wow made years before the App Store was even invented?

@@jarred4005 Im not saying WoW was meant to be a mobile game... Im saying that Blizzard has implemented so many mobile elements and even trying to make "mobile" mini games within WoW

Season of mastery is basically suppose to be that.

People want Classic to be like OSRS, then? Could be neat, but you know they'd fuck it up.

mate i dont think wow needs more quest you basically level to 60 spamming rdf/doing quest to do more quests once you hit lvl cap ? heeell naaaw if anything pvp needs more love

@@harnaskrogor2577 wtf do you mean, new expansions always add new quests... you out drugs :)

@@BooguyTheAdept how many is too many? And how often was this feature really utilized to punish the murderer?

Nigga he was like 14 and a warrior main yea anyone can figure it out if they just do it but youte not going to if you dont care

Also how he's like "man I really hope they go ape-shit with new content in classic" (= Classic+) but I seem to recall him and his base bashing those advocating for Classic + content and features. Dude doesn't know what he wants really.

@@Valiere2024 I don't know if he bashed classic+ I thought it was he didn't trust the devs to make good additional classic content, but I could be wrong

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@@nickpurdy69 I don't actually agree (he was in the midst of playing FF for weeks when he stopped streaming on his main channel), but even if I did this is on his non-monetized second channel. He simply can't tear himself away from the game, no matter how much noise he makes about how shitty it is now.

It'll be hilarious if they copy the 'End of Dragons' expansion coming for Guild Wars 2.

@@ArmageddonEvil Can't say I know what that is, since I never finished GW2. But it sounds like something WoW would do take something that was built up over multiple patches and expansions and just prop it up into their own game with none of the build up and expect it to have the same impact as it did in the games where you literally built up to that climactic moment.

@@imaran1303 I haven't completed GW2 either, but I loved their Hearts of Thorn Expansion, etc. Halfway I think in the second expansion before the End of Dragon expansion releases? Besides that, they do have a tendency to steal other games' thunder. Which is annoying and how badly they've killed Battleborn and were trying to eliminate Ashes of Creation, showed how much they hate competition.

@@ArmageddonEvil There are people who claim they don't steal from other games, but come on! After some point you goptta wake up and smell the sewage treatment plant that you have been ignoring.

@@imaran1303 All the players that still believe they aren't stealing from other games, then they don't know the history of World of Warcraft in the first place. They basically stole most of their mechanics from Everquest but made it less hardcore grinder and more casual. Every single Expansion after Vanilla has incorporated mechanics from *other* MMORPGs/RPGs. But put their own twist on it. But back in the day, they were innovative with their *stealing* to make it their own. Instead of nowadays, they are too lazy to put a twist on what they stole. They would probably blatantly steal anything from an MMORPG that would help them to regain their #1 Position. The Hugest amount of copium ever. Also doesn't help that World of Warcraft's Drop Rates is like a Gacha Game. The ICC Mount is 0.77% and there was another mount that is like 0.19% Drop Rate. That's still better than some horrible drop rates in Gacha games but I feel like they will do something like that soon to more transform it into a Gacha styled, Looter Shooter type of deal. Gacha Styled Loot Mechanics (Incredibly Low Drop Rates) with Multiple different effects on *similar items* since that's what Corruptions were and the 9.1's Gear was too. Edit: Also, their story is an ass and I can't believe anyone would defend the Storyline of World of Warcraft. A Ten Year Old Dream type of storyline nowadays with Steve Danuser being the lead lore guy.

There are still some things that EQ did better than WoW ever did. Like the non-linear dungeons that were actually scary to venture into for the first time. In WoW, only BRD ever came close. Or how every time you out-leveled a zone you were forced into a new zone that was dangerous for you to even AFK in. You never knew when some patrolling enemy would come up from behind you and wreck your day. It could be attributed to poor game design, but it regularly reinforced the feeling that you were just a small part of a big world, and that you needed friends to progress easily. Everquest looked like shit to play (and it kind of was shit to play), but the feelings that the game inspired is what truly made it great. Staring at the text box watching your character lose or win rolls, trying to decide if you needed to run or not and how much HP you would need to have remaining in order to make it to the nearest zone line made the boring-ass combat way more intense than WoW combat was. Many fights ended up being a rng gamble and it was addictive despite how inactive the combat actually was. If I play project 1999 Everquest for a while before going back to playing classic WoW, I very often feel bored with how easy and predictable WoW is in comparison. Granted WoW combat was great, there's just not the same level of danger and randomness that Everquest threw at you to keep you on your toes.