Imagine if Ibn Taymiyya or Ibn Abdul Wahhab said what Fakhraddin Al Razi said, these Asharis would never stop talking about it. Why can’t Asrar Rashid just come to terms with the fact that the Asharis don’t except the Qur’an & Sunnah as a proof? Why haven’t the ashari community addressed all of these quotes that were brought forth?

This is gold. Asrar got schooled that day

May Allah preserve ustadh and May Allah reward you akhi

Preserving Athar aqida guarded Islam in whole. To believe Qur'an is divine uncreated speech (Tawhid Siffat) of Allah preserves Sunni approach Qur'an defines ghaib/faith unifies Muslims on its perfect source authority, a complete religion! Mutazila view Qur'an is not authority or self contextual but by personal ignorance lead to endless divide and implies incompletion, a way shi'a adapted who say a final hebrew cave prophet arises with a full Qur'an in end times. Anyone with true akel puts Nakel first. Allah is all Knowing, ppl you're not!

wallahi the two podcasts ustadh abdulrahman hassan produced against the asha’eera is gold. i’ve watched them multiple times and i’m honestly shocked; how can anyone attribute themselves as being an ashar’i? who holds such filthy beliefs? may allah keep us steadfast on salafiyah!

I like shahid he asks very good questions & isn’t biased

I like the brother discussing with ARH. Really unbiased!

WaAllahi , this is so sad... May Allah subhanahu wa taala guide us and unite us ameen!

What page did Ustadh Abdurahman quote on ar razi in asas al taqdis at 1:37

They tried to prove Allah's existence as a reply to the Philosophers using the language of the philosophers - this is someone who is just repeating what he learnt for his exams and he thinks he learnt something very complex which he should debate people on... LOL.....

It can be that (05:00 in the clip) yasir qadhi took from this to deny juj wa majuj and the rest of his explanations.we distort the meaning that what the ashaira do .NO WONDER THE DONT TAKE FROM SINGULAR NARRATIONS.

1 :30 - backbone of Ashariya is Fakrudin Razi, bujurih IBrahim Lakani? 4 :40 - fakrudin Razi book Taksis taqdis pag 172, Ibn Taymiyyah refuted him on this... Farkudin said aql comes first.

Asrar's debate is calmer otherwise barelvis do nothing but shout and deviate.

Sanusis 6th principle of kufr is as translated: “to hold on to ONLY the apparent meaning of the texts by the one not possessing sound insight/comprehension” Why he didn’t translate properly? Who is distorting? This was horrible. Shahid was doing a great job moderating the discussion. Plus he didn’t answer the questions of Shahid. Kept cutting him off

I had a video about Imam Mahdi with Rashid Asrar as the speaker, I never knew he was an ash'ari. How can you proudly say that you are a follower of Razi and such while they make such grave statements! I made the video unavailable immediately.

The ahlus sunna do not make tafwidh or t3teel they accept the reality of Allah's names and attributes but don't go further than the quran and the sunna goes, we start where they start and stop where they stop. This differentiates them from the jahmiyah, mu'tazilah, shia and this, that and the third deviant group that take the aql as the golden standard (al asl as ustadh abdurrahman said)

If anyone is confused... Al-Razi in the 3rd option says that to take the text over the intellect, is bâtil - meaning it is falsehood to take the apparent meaning of the text and reject the intellect or make it conform to this. Al-Razi in the 4th option says that the intellect should be taking over the text - the apparent meaning of the text should be rejected - and the text should be made to conform to the intellect, by doing ta'weel. And if a conclusion can not be made through ta'weel, then one should do tafweedh - saying only Allâh knows the meaning. (which actually refutes his own position, because if only Allâh knows then this proves you can't take the intellect over the text - because then, the text would be superior to the intellect seeing as the intellect can not encompass the text. So the apparent meaning of the text is what should be accepted, whether the intellect comprehends it or not.)

I do not get it why does the believe of Ashaa'ira discussed here if the debate was about the permissibility of Istigaatha?

A person who translates Sitta as 7 wants to "correctly" translate and explain the works of our Great Imams رحمهم الله تعالى

This guy don’t understand what al razi said I’m not an ashari but this guy is talking foolishness

why is the 4th option not spelt out in Arabic? The nakl is not rejected - it is interpreted because the nakl can never go against the the aql because or we do tafweeD - that we leave the interpretation to Allah.. this guy is lying openly.. did he use the word "distorted"? And why should we not leave the meaning to Allah? You are contradicting yourself - you are saying that we should insist on knowing the meaning . How would you know the meaning without the use of aql?

Who are asharis?

1:19

You cant debate with someone who wont change his stance no matter if it is a defeatist position or not. When you have one side saying I declare this hadith inauthentic therefore your entire history and madhab is wrong as was the entire muslim ummah wrong when they braught us islam up until it reached me and now I have the haq. This is a self defeatist mindet. This is a mindset of huge ego and we donot need it in islam. I pray that we can unite with the deviant salafi sect. Remember that the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'at are of the majority. We have scholars who we can agree upon the likes of imam At Tahawi, Ibn Kathir etc. Lower the ego enough to understand what the perspective of the kalam schoalrs is. Why did the majority of the Ummah defend islam using ilm al kalam. Would islam have reached us if ALLAH swt didnt give the the muslims the knowledge of ilm al kalam. We have to this day attacks on islam from atheist and frankly they make great points. These are points about doubts that are placed in our young muslims minds. Why do we get scared from these questions as if ALLAH swt hasnt given us everything we need to debate these philosophers and theologists. It is the islamic way that when you need guidance, you seek it from the experts. This allows for seeking help from a doctor when needing advice on health. This permits seeking help from a lawyer when needing help with a lawsuit. And when you need help with theological philosophy questions. You can ask the philosophers. As long as they can provide evidence using the Qur'an and Sunnah, there shouldnt be an issue. Do asharis believe that scholars are infallible. No they dont. Scholars make mistakes, you can still take the good and reject the mistakes. And out of the thousands of ashari scholars, there are going to be mistakes. I would say every scholar makes a mistake. So the mistake AR Hasan made was stating that there are ashari scholars who have made mistakes and therefore this means every ashari is now wrong until he denounces asharism. This is an absurd and frankly very ignorant and very arrogant statement. If he wants to refute specifically for example fakhruddin razi, honestly he doesnt have the qualification to read his books lets be honest. For a group that claims it is on the haq, how can you claim uou know whats correct without the tools to undrstand the apposing viewpoint. I pray that ALLAH swt guides us all and ALLAH swt knows best.

This is so stupid. What if someone believes that Allah تعالى is everywhere and he uses the Quran ayah where Allah says «He is with you wherever you are» so how do you proof him wrong unless you use aql (logic) that this person is wrong?

whats an Ashari

What a useless debate. May Allah swt guide us all.

This is hypocrisy to it's extreme, you put in the effort to display your point of veiw on the Asha'ira and then you didn't even think of it to be necessary that you also add Sheikh Asrar's veiw on the topic? What kind of joke is this... who are you trying to fool, this is ridiculous i expected better from you people

What none sense

Fakhr ud-Din ar-Razi will confront you Yawm al-Qiyammah on your decontextualization of his writings. May Allah guide you dear deviant. The rational arguments are not number one. The Koran and the Sounnah are the source of good and evil, and not our rationality. That is what every Ash’ari learns in the beginning of their course.

Here I am trying my best to eat my halal chicken and stay away from drinking alcohol, and these guys are debating things a million miles above my head.

This wobbler doesn't blame yazeed for killing hussain(r).

Asrar Rashid, Has 50k subscriptions, u hvnt even got 2k thats enough 4 u, , he has tawasuf which your lacking unfortunately

The face of a learned man V an ignoramus, this so called shaykh hassan is obviously the ignoramus