In the assassin’s creed 3 book called forsaken it’s revealed that haytham let Connor kill him with the hidden blade because he loved Connor and didn’t want to kill him

Haytham and Shay are extremely deadly and tactical. They're also fan favorites. Always wondered why they never made full game about Haytham. Would've made a good AC game about the Templars like Rogue with Shay

I mean as far as we know Shay was the only one who died of age. Says a lot.

Shay Patrick Cormac is easily the deadliest, without question. He pretty much spearheaded the near-extinction of the Colonial Brotherhood during the French-Indian War, being skilled enough to take down opponents who not only knew the same combative methods as him, but are also the ones who taught him those very methods in the first place. He is what the KZfaqr 3TopicsGamer called the Darth Vader of Assassin's Creed, and it definitely shows. That earns the title of deadliest Templar in my book.

The Templar/Antagonists I like are: - Rodrigo Borgia - Cesare Borgia - Haytham Kenway

I would agree, Shay's history as an assassin is intimidating, and his change throughout the story definitely proves how deadly he became, a killer with no remorse, ok maybe he had a point but still

Shay was built to be the assassin's hunter. While Haytham takes fight against every enemy on his way (templar's enemys), Shay was hunting the assassins by himself. So yeah, both are lethal but Shay was more active with that job.

Shay is definitely my top of list for deadly Templar the man was trained by assassin and knows all their skills and tactics not to mention in the novels he actually trained his son and grandson cudgel to be assassin hunter would love see him and Connor and Arno have a face off

Shay is the deadliest hands down I always hoped to see an ending to his story

If it was down to a pure sword fight, I think Haytham would beat Shay. But as far as who is deadliest, I think that goes to Shay. Taking all of his skills and tools into account, there is no other Templar as dangerous. He is THE Assassin Hunter. He even has an outfit described as Assassin Killer. And I think the mentality plays a role too. Shay loved his former brothers like Haytham loved Connor, but he still did what had to be done. Also, his assassination of Charles Dorian might be the best in the series. No witnesses, no noise, disappeared like a ghost and no one knew it was him even years later. The air is still, and I am a Hunter

"Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter."

Not many in the Templar-Assassin conflict die of old age, so I give Shay props for that

I've always viewed Shay as the Assassin killer. I even where the robes cause they genuinely suit him.

I've always thought of haytham as a deadly templar but That might not be to right considering the rest

Shay is not the deadliest, he is the most brutal and killed the most assassins, he even sank 6 flagship Man'o Wars full of assassins. Haytham is definitely the deadliest, he just kills everyone in his way as for hostages like he killed 2 templars serving Church while Connor kept them as hostages. He also killed so many british prisoners and massacred so many rioters. I wouldn't wonder if it was him who sent the guards after Revere, Connor and the rioters on Tee party. Shay could've been the best villain in AC3 or Unity if Ubisoft cared about the story. I can argue that Haytham is the deadliest Templar in the series.

As a smart man once said, “If the templars just burnt all the haystacks in the world, they’d win.”

As said in the video, Shay was trained under both Assassins and Templars. He has experience on both sides. You usually can't get the upper hand on a Templar that grew up as an assassin.

Haytham is my choice. He 100% let connor kill him which is clear if you read forsaken. I truly believe he could kill Shay if they fought for any reason. He is also clearly the smartest templar we've seen

I feel like Robert De Sable doesn't get enough credit. He had a solid plan of controlling the 3rd crusade with well chosen allies on both sides and was smart enough to adapt to new tactics during the final sequence. He probably would've been able to succeed had Altair not been as extraordinary of an Assassin as he was.

Haytham>~Shay i would say in pure 1v1,same level but just a slight edge to Haytham,its even implied by Shay himself Haytham is better but gameplay puts them on the same level Obviously Shay is more manuerable when it comes to enviroment and weapons,one was trained like an assassin and the other actually was.

Including Haytham and Shay in these discussions is cheating to me cause their core methods in how they kill is full Assassin. They have an advantage in training none of the other Templars had. Just how lethal would the others have been if they received the same training? It's easy to be deadly when you're fully trained to kill a person in 500 different ways. Templars always have been more political compared to the assassins. They rather have others do their dirty work even though they have no issue to stick the knife in if they have to do it themselves. To me the most deadliest Templar in that aspect is Rodrigo Borgia. Man is a master manipulator and swindled his way into becoming pope despite not being Christian which is as close to being undisputed king in Italy in those days.

You should make a list of protagonists we haven’t experienced that you’d like to play as and seen given a story as but have been mentioned or just seen in game for example: adam and eve, the sanctuary ancestors, any of the multiplayer characters, haytham, etc

I agree with your list brother! Great video! I would argue Torres from Black Flag (isn’t the deadliest by any means) but had a very wicked plan with that crystal skull spying on people.

Shay Is the One. Yes my friend your ranking is 100% correct.

I'd have to say it's Cesare just for the fact that he held his own against ezio at his peak and that was just unheard of at that time in the game

Very good video 👌thanks

Man you know Black Flag Templars suck when they don't even get mention on this list

Can you make video that which one of the assassins had the best connections with people 😍 Great video

Really would love to see a Crossover Story of Shay,Arno,Connor it would be the Best AC Crossover besides Altair and Ezio.

Are we really forgetting Shahkulu? You know, the guy in Revelations who got shanked by Ezio's hidden blade twice, and STILL proved to be a though fight?

I would've anounced the deadliest templar is Shay without hesitation.

I love how these kind of videos get lots views compared to other videos on this channel

Shay doesn't hunt the Assassins. He "haunts" them... Edit - It actually, sounds Haunt more than hunt in his charmingly unique Irish accent...

I would really like to see a game where Haytham is the protagonist, similar to Shay with AC Rogue. I'd like it to be about Haytham's upbringing, his time as an assassin and turn to the templars.

Good video. Shay is quite deadly. Both him and Haytham are both quite dangerous

I’d say haytham just cause we see how much respect Shay gives him. He looks to him as a mentor and teacher and I feel that shows that Shay views him as his superior.

Clearly shay is the deadly one since he meks his own look

Shay and the lion

Since Shay outlives Haytham there's also so much speculation that could be possible for him to be the deadliest after what he did and who and how many he killed. Who knows, maybe he became the grandmaster of the clonial rite (if there was still any after Connor) or maybe another rite. On top of that Otso Berg points out a weakness in Haytham that isn't as obvious or even present in Shay. That weakness being emotional weakness.

How about comparing the leadership, goals, ideology and organisations of the Templars, Order of the Ancients and the Cult of Kosmos? On that note, which of the three aforementioned groups do you like best?

That Rogue announcement trailer is still badass

Fun fact: did you know that the first person that haythom killed (in the theater in the beginning) later in the game when you get the ability to call on allies one of the allies (forgot his name) is revealed to be the kid that haythom saw on the first kill.

Great video, but you seem to have forgotten that Robert De Sable bodied Altair and then threw him aside like he was a rag doll in the beginning of AC1. And Altair is a Master Assassin. That alone would've put Robert at number 1, but that's just my opinion.

I love Starrick simply because he was basically a crime lord. He OWNED London, he heard EVERYTHING, and if you stepped a toe out of line, you were done for. Definitely one of the most intimidating Templars, even if he might not have been the most physically challenging.

It’s actually Rodrigo Borgia. The Templar grand master who became the Pope and have an entire army at his side. It took Ezio over 2 decades to defeat Rodrigo. The man was unreachable and untouchable. That’s deadly!

This vid came in my recommend straight after the poll lol

Okay, let me break this down. - Robert de Sable is our introduction to the Templar antagonists, so he obviously would be outshined by future villains. Sure, he's an OG Knight Templar and a seasoned warrior, but he is barely in the game and both we and Altair struggle to understand what's really going on through most of the missions. Most of his danger and intimidation comes from the "I have a Deus Vult Army" factor. But let's remember that Templar Knights fought in heavy armor and chain mail using longswords, and Robert was agile enough to grab Altair by the arm and throat in their first meeting. He's a strong fighter, but not very fast or flexible. -Like you said, Rodrigo Borgia is only deadly outside combat. He's this hooded, shadowy figure that's manipulating the Pazzi and Barbarigo, throwing Italy into chaos through plots and his position in the Vatican, and everyone who knows their history will fear him as history's most dangerous pope. He's basically a Mob Boss who looks like a Sith Lord and controls the Church. He may have some sword training, but is a middle-aged fatso that wears no armor with those fancy clothes and uses a common weak sword. Twice he fought Ezio, and twice he failed. - Cesare's main problem is that Ubisoft and Machiavelli propped him up as the greatest threat Ezio would face, but ultimately turned him into a cutscene pushover. This guy was supposed to be Machiavelli' "The Prince" inspiration, so he was supposed to be cunning, deadly and dangerous, a worthy opponent for Ezio in every wat! Imagine if they actually made him like he was on The Borgias series, especially leading the Roman Templars as they were before everything fell apart (i.e. the Templar Agents that became the Abstergo Animus Multiplayer Avatars). Let's be sincere, Ubisoft did Cesare AND Micheletto dirty. Cesare was a skilled sword fighter (but not "the best who ever lived" for sure) with a Roman Longsword and a wheellock pistol, and only wore chest and neck armor (though admittedly good ones, given how many times Ezio has to slice them). - Let's give Ahmet some small credit: Dude was falling to his death out the side of a mountain cliff, and didn't hesitate to pull his dagger to try and kill Ezio mid-fall. However, most of his deadliness comes from controlling the Byzantine Templars from the shadows. Like Rodrigo, he's a shadow player. While he probably had some military training as Ottoman Prince, that didn't show through (especially since everyone and their grandma keeps saying his bloodthirsty brother will make a better Sultan). And like Cesare, he's relegated to being the leader of a powerful faction that still got killed off completely right under him. - I'd also say Shay is a tad more deadly, mainly because he was directly trained by the Assassins and has access to more weapons. Haytham has many Assassin traits, but he's mainly a military officer type of character. Both Haytham and Charles are military officers, with training and discipline, but not very flexible in their combat training. Haytham is more disciplined and coolheaded, while Charles is temperamental and headstrong, and both have always focused more on managing the Colonial Templars' plots and strategies. All three fight using sabers/cutlasses and flintlock pistols, but Shay dual wields both as well as carrying his air rifle, rope darts, knives and smoke bombs. - So, let's address Saint Germain. While he's not the deadliest Templar in combat, this guy is fearsome for two reasons: First, he's a Sage of Aita, so he's got Isu knowledge and memories just like Black Bartholomew in AC Black Flag. But we never see him fight with any weapons other than the Sword of Eden. Aita was a scientist and politician, not a warrior. -Starrick was the inevitable modernization of the Templar Order. His power comes from controlling industry and commerce, and he's from an era where physical combat is no longer the main aspect of war. While he probably has some boxing training (as you do as highborn educated Victorian British aristocrat XD), he is only deadly in real combat if he has a revolver. So, if you put them all in a Battle Royale (no Pieces of Eden or teamups allowed): Robert de Sable vs. Rodrigo Borgia (not as Pope with the Staff of Eden, but hooded and with a sword fighting Ezio in Venice) vs. Cesare Borgia (final duel with Ezio) vs. Prince Ahmet (same) vs. Shay Cormac (fully armed as in Rogue) vs. Haytham Kenway (fully armed as in AC III first missions) vs. Charles Lee (as he is fighting alongside Haytham in first missions) vs. Saint Germain (no Sword of Eden) vs. Crawford Starrick (only a pistol, no 1 = Ahmet would probably be the first to go. He's only ever seen wielding a dagger, while all the others have armor, swords and/or firearms. Even if you gave him an Kilik, Shamshir or Scimitar, I don't think he'd be able to do much. He might charge at the more Modern Templars and get shot, or try dueling Cesare/Robert and get cut down. 2 = St. Germain would be the second. He has no weapons, no known combat training and his manipulative charisma or inhuman intelligence won't help him here. Even if he tried to hide and wait for an opportunity to strike, almost all his other opponents are too clever or resilient to fall for that. 3 = Rodrigo would probably fall third. If he's not shot by Haytham, Shay, Charles, Cesare or Starrick, he'll be shot by the very same or stabbed by them sans Starrick plus Robert. Even if Ahmet briefly tries fighting either Robert or Cesare, he'll be left fighting a soldier that has far more strength, skill and youth than him. 4 - It's a hard tie between Robert and Cesare. Robert has the best armor, but it would also make him slow. Cesare is less protected, but is more agile and has his wheellock pistol. However, I'd bet on Cesare because he is far more arrogant than the seasoned Robert, and his sword not piercing enough to get through his armor or chain mail. His wheellock pistol is his best advantage, but he only has one shot (with a round, blunt bullet), wheellock pistols aren't very accurate or powerful and most of Robert's vital spots are covered with armor. And he's far more exposed to firearms than Robert, so any of the more modern Templars will easily gun him down with their superior guns. 5 - Robert would be next. It's a medieval knight vs. 4 guys using pistols, one of which is Starrick with a revolver (which has more penetrating bullets than flintlocks) and another being Shay who has a _goddamn proto-grenade launcher._ Robert also wouldn't know what those pistols are (unless Cesare used his on him before dying) nor would be fast enough to try and run even if he did know. He would try to charge them and would die before reaching any of them. It's be El Tiburon all over again. 6 - Starrick would be next. While he has the superior pistol, he has no sword or military training and little combat skills. Haytham, Charles and/or Shay are fast and agile, and could close distance quickly enough to stab him. 7 - Charles would die next. Haytham and Shay both are better fighters and more cool-headed. Since this is a battle royale, Haytham and Charles wouldn't be teaming up. 8 - It'd be hard-fought, but I think Haytham would be the last one to fall. Haytham is good, but Shay literally killed/defeated the entire Colonial Assassin Brotherhood for him. Winner is Shay Cormac. He has more weapons and more training as an Assassin. While Haytham is a very skilled fighter, it'd akin to a fight between Declan Harp vs Chesterfield (both from Frontier). You have a decorated, disciplined officer fighting against an assassin-hunter trained in the woods to be very agile and relentless. While Haytham is obviously superior to Chesterfield, the result would still be the same.

I love the interconnection of the kenway era (plus unity)

When you really think about it was ezio really scared of anything besides losing his family I don't think ezio is heartless but I don't remember him being overwhelmed besides the end game boss battles

Haytham Kenway attitude is so cool. He makes me connect with Thomas Shelby

Ive only just started playing assassin's creed, just completed black flag and now about half way through rouge and got odissy. Getting all the rest very soon.

The deadliest Templar is anyone who actually defends odyssey

i would personally love to see another game where u play as a templar and get to see the templar order more, or maybe something like a protagonist where they take ideologies from the templars and assassins like a grey jedi in star wars using the light side and the dark side

I'd put Haytham over Shay for a few narrative and gameplay reasons. First, the strongest Assassin that Shay kills in a fight is Chevalier (maybe) but even with him it's not clear if they canonically clashed blades. If not Chevalier then Le Chassuer, who may have been an Assassin affiliate (Eivor was too so that shouldn't count against him), but in both cases Shay took no damage. Kesegowasse died by puckle gun, Adewale by sneak attack, Hope by chase, and Liam by fall/luck. Haytham meanwhile fought, bested, and crippled Achilles-the Mentor-and old Haytham barely beat concussion Connor but couldn't finish his son. By gameplay Haytham is clearly stronger. It's kinda like Connor vs Edward. While it's hard to 1-to-1 compare enemy types between games, the Jagers from 3 seem equivalent to the land hunters in Rogue. Assuming equivalence, Haytham fares much better blade to blade. Shay needs his greater tool kit to stand a chance and even then can't win head on like Haytham can.

You really need to do a battle royal with all the assassins dude

May the father of understanding guide us

the exact moment i saw Shay in the tumbnail: oh yeah it's all coming together

I think any previous assassins are definitely going to make current assassins uncomfortable. I can agree with this yes. I also have to shout out Al Mualim though. The man had all of the assassins and templars under his thumb. Not deadly but definitely have to give respect there.

Please make a video about "why templars are stronger than assassins in every settings"

Honestly I'd like to see your take on any of the hidden ones/Order of Ancients. although I don't think there's much to go off of with what we have at the moment y'know?

That goddamn AC Rogue trailer gives me chills every single time

It has to be Shay as he took down the entire Creed of his era and his history as an Assassin gives the templars a massive advantage. He's an interesting protagonist because he was ultimately wronged by the creed. I really need to play Rouge don't know why I slept on it possibly due to the navel combat but the idea really intrigued me. Haytham is runner up he's a total badass "i'll feed you your teeth" what an iconic line. He has the knowledge of both and the cunning to match. I think he definitely let Connor kill him as he couldn't end his son and he may have realised he was in the wrong although he does say proud of him in a way while also noting that he should have killed Connor long ago, implying that emotions and some sense of fatherhood had stayed his blade against his usual judgement.

Haytham's not an anti-hero, he's an anti-villain. I think the term anti-villain doesn't get used often enough. An anti-hero is someone who you know is technically doing the right hting, but you have less sympathy for them and know that they're going to do it in the wrong way (Walter White is a perfect example). And Anti-Villain is someone you don't want to see succeed but you at least have some sympathy for them and understand where they're coming from like the MCU version of Thanos, on in this case Haytham.

Let's not forget about AL Mualim he was a Templar in charge of assassins

Man it’s been years and I still can’t shake Shay’s perspective lol

you should do more templar vids

I agree that Rodrigo Borgia is probably the smartest templar and that Shay Cormack is the deadliest, but truth be told... Hathaway Kenway is definitely the pinnacle and ideal templar over all, and it's not even close. This of course is all in my opinion.

9:49 say "may the father of understanding guide us"

Tbf to Robert, Altaïr is one of the greatest swordsmen the Assassins have ever seen. Even if he is a very skilled Knight, he was the one who was batting up to Altaïr, not the opposite

honestly i would say shay..he not only survived being shot when turning on thje assassins and falling off ac liff he single handed took down the assassin leadership tracked down the precursor site. not to mention his abilitse of commanding the morrigan were legendary and manged to be the only ship that could take down the storm fortress the deadliest ship around at that point.

merry christmas from 2 am

Honestly if i was an assassin and heard shays voice i would be sh-- scared just listen to it in the trailer ngl i think shay has two voice his normal one when its just him being him y'know funny and his scary one when he is serious which is terrifying

I think I agree with you

Who's the most versatile assassin next pls

you could make a video about the most aggresive assasin for it i guess it would be connor bayak mayby jackob

I totally agree with the outcome, it was between Haythem and Shay, but I'd have put into account as to who survived the longest, because as far as we know, Shay may have lived to die of old age and not be assassinated by an Assassin.

I want shay back I loved the whole going Rouge and killing people u once trained with it was such a fun game

Shay wins for sure amongst the Templars and probably also the Assassins, as he had all the Assassin/Templar skills and equipment, plus the same kind of Native American hunter/stealth skills as Connor seeing as he was trained by Kesegowaase, and like Connor he is obviously very strong and able to fight bears by himself, so strong he survived a very deadly fall even after being shot, plus two earthquakes, was skilled in seamanship and naval combat, could detect assassin stalkers, he was basically an assassin honed to perfection. His coolness in Versailles in the way he killed Charles Dorian shows how confidently he knows he is the top predator. Even Pierre Bellec who was a deadly master assassin with a bloodthirst for Templars still fled America like the remaining Assassins fled from Shay, and he mentions to Arno that no one knows who killed Charles Dorian. Clearly trying to catch Shay is like trying to catch smoke and anyone getting close would probably be dead before they knew it.

As main templar antagonists go its got to be shay. But if you look at the side templars id go with Julien du casse. He was like shay where he would hunt down assassins and collect their hidden blades.

im loving AC as a first time player. Im starting at AC2!!

I gotta go with Haytham. We only see him in limited action but like his son Connor he's a big man and knows how to use his abilities. Shay is a very close second but it was Haytham who sent Shay on the missions who was the strategic mind behind things

I don't know much about Assassin's Creed and wanted to learn about it, so I somehow got my hands on Assassin's Creed rogue, I never completed it because of some issues, but Shay became my favorite character! And I just recently found out he betrayed the Assassins and I just feel weird knowing this 🤣 I don't know what to say!

If say haythem Wayne was able to warm Shay mind was incredible

In terms of good guys and bad guys there are none, just difference of ideas. You can see through the infighting of both Templar and The Assassins.

Shay has always been one of My favorite protagonists, he didn’t Go against the assassins because he wanted power or control, he did it for the sake of the world. Also he’s the only “assassin” we have seen who wields the assassination attempt sense If you Can Call it that. Which i quite enjoyed.

I wish Ac 3 had a dlc for haytham, he was pretty badass to use

Can you do a video about the deadliest piece of eden

I feel like Shay is the deadliest because he knows how his enemies fight and knows how to turn their strategies against them better than anyone. He’s literally super strong too

Shay had a strong mental and physical health as he survived hope's strong poison and survived falling from 37 meters with Liam and a huge ice sheet

The deadliest is that one enemy that kept getting me caught in that one mission in assassins creed unity

Haytham never had both sides of the assassin Templar conflict When Edward trained him, he never told him about the war and Haytham was indoctrinated into the Templar order

For me shay and haytham is equal in deadly templars

He said deadliest Templar, my mind- Haytham kenway

Laureano Torres is so forgetable that he isn't even in the video lol

You should make one for the order of the ancients or one for the best traitor

Haythen is Personally my Favorite Templar, because he kinda changed my mind I no longer thought that templars were just evil

Haven't started the top, but I would bet for Haytham.

Review sniper elite games please masterassassin

I only had to listen to the first 45 seconds to figure this out. I think it’s definitely Shay from ac rogue

In AC rogue, shay gets told that he probably will be the best of them. Dont know who said it but Haytham was present in the scene too. Its gotta be Haytham or Shay and most likely Shay. Cesare could also be a shout, at least he believes he is the best fighter ever to live.