Really? His one liners are ass. He sounds like an edgy teenager

​@@nandoman4769you don't like assassin christmas!?!?

Agreed

Give me Lee

In the main game they dumbed down Jacob to show the incredibly smart Mary Sue which is Evie. And in the dlc they doubled down on that by making Jacob the one who was defeated and needed saving and of course Evie saves him. Meh

@@lepersonnage371how is she a mary sue though when she’s literally a trained assassin a mary sue is a chrachter that has no training or even real reason to how they’re able to do what they do

@@lepersonnage371So if they dumbed down evie and it was vice versa it would be ok?

@@girthatbirth No but why should one have to be put down for the other to seem better. The writing in syndicate was shit.

@@RonnyyyyAU how is evie better? jacob is definitely more fun to play 💀

I dunno why but connors voice acting rubs me the wrong way. His voice is raspy but way too high for his stature, he essentially sounds (and kind of also looks) like a huge boy

Never changed his mind. He killed lee

yeah connor is annoying at times. like haytham has good points and connor just doesn't care. doesn't mean I want lee to be part of the templars.

​@@SwetlanasCozyplace Still better than Hypocrite Shay, Assassimp Arno and the Fried Twins.

@@memecliparchives2254 sure, I don't hate Connor. and don't care much about the characters you mentioned.

Laods of people like Jacob, and connor despite the slander both get from ezio die hards. Jacob is actually more popular than evie within syndicates fanbase, but the over all assassin's creed fans who don't necessarily care for syndicate individually, say evie is better. I think this is because they wanna be seen saying they like a female assassin. Silly as that sounds, because there are far better ones like Aveline for example. But yh, Jacob is in my top 3 for sure.

I like some of the banter between Jacob and Evie, especially the comments they throw at each other when you change weapons and clothing in the train.

@Pooky1991 I like 2 actually. The pair would've been more fun if they didn't always argue.

Wasn't as keen on evie as she was a mary sue sort of character. But Jacob is in my top 3.

I most likely to laugh at Jacob. So maybe not that annoying at least in my regard lol

I agree but I don't even think he is an idiot. He just is sarcastic about the hypocrisy of the creed, and some of the more silly things assassin's and templars do like searching for dangerous mind control orbs, that can't help anyone. He is short sighted sometimes, but unlike his sister, he tried to help people.

@@chrismoore5333 Thats true, but he is indeed very stupid XD. Maybe because he is younger than most of the assassin protagonists.

@TheCrusaderBG well I suppose I look at it like this. Jacob in his early 20s makes less mistakes and less dangerous mistakes than Ezio did in his 50s. Ezio killed an allied character, accidentally helping the templars in doing so, Ezio toppled a light house, burned the docks, and cost countless lives, jobs, and homes. Ezio managed to destroy an entire city underground, which he was warned about but did anyway, this ruined or ended the lived of literally everyone who lived there, and ezio didn't even stop the templars by doing so. In comparison Jacob killed a templar that was I charge of medical distributors, so there wasn't medicine in the Borough of lambeth. But the trade makes sense, because any assassin including ezio would've done the same, to end the horror that John Elliottson was inflicting on many innocent people in the asylum. (The asylum is based on a real place in all but name, and it was famous for abuse and we're talking seriously messed up abuse at that, which the game dose show a little of, but nowhere near how bad it was in the real world at times.) Jacob destroyed a bus company. I'm not even sure that is a mistake that matters, but evie complaining put it on the list I suppose. And then there's Jacobs big mistake, the economy. Which is the only one that's on level with what ezio used to do. And yes that was bad, but really the only difference between ezio and Jacob here, is that Claudia isn't a nasty person set on ruining the reputation of her brother. Evie on the other hand, dose seem to secretly hate her brother. Claudia hated being unable to kill templars and fight. Dvie seems to perfectly fine complaining about how Jacob kills templars from the safety of her home. And finally the DLC content for syndicate. Jacob and Abberline are clearly the people who influence Conon Doyle's characters of Sherlock and Watson. The way they dress and look, the way they act, and even their dynamic. Furthermore Sherlock like Jacob is very misunderstood and makes sometimes impulsive choices for his own entertainment. Something evie wouldn't ever do. So it's pretty much canon (atleast logically) that Jacob is the "canon" character within the dreadful crimes dlc. And this is supported by the jack the ripper dlc. In that dlc, Jacob is pretty damn clever. More so than evie at any rate. Jacob puts together all the clues, and a way to string evie along to find them all, withing 10 minutes, in the first level of the dlc, whole trying to fight jack the ripper. That's some brainy and quick at that, stuff right there. Jacob gets a bad wrap, basically because of evie constantly being condescending towards him. Yet evie isn't actually as capable, as a detective or as an assassin. This is one of many reasons alot of people don't like evie. Because if you play syndicate enough and pay enough attention, it's obvious that the narrative pushed is false. (Sorry for the long reply, I hope you had time to read it all, and I hope it made sense to you. I am dyslexic so there may be a few mistakes.)

@@chrismoore5333 Bro, hats off for that reply honestly! Great job explaining it in detail, i read it all and looking it now you are right in that regard! Still Jacob cannot be compared to Ezio in wisdom but yeah honestly every assassin makes dumb mistakes it seem XD

@TheCrusaderBG I appreciate that you took the time to read that. Thank you mate! And yh Jacob isn't wise really, your right about that for sure.

Well you know “pirates will be pirates” - Nathan Drake

Well Ubisoft Quebec's writing is trying to be funny in some Marvel movies type of way but it's cringy

@@lepersonnage371 I don’t mind it myself. I just wish the game they’re set in isn’t such a poorly optimized shit.

Well I guess that’s a fair point, although I do like playing as Different Ancestors who has Different Ideologies & Personalities. Haythan & Shay: Assassins turn Templar Alexios/Kassandra & Eivor: Secretly Helping the Assassins (Not being Associated to Them) Yeah it’s pretty interesting playing as Different Characters that doesn’t involve “Revenge” or “Follow the Order” Type. I’m curious with Basim though: - Reincarnated ISU (Loki) - Anti-Hero/Anti-Villain

@D3PY YUMVY I remember playing as alexios. Kassandra is demios. I know that isn't "canon" but then again, Kassandra doesn't make sense to odyssey at all. You can't play as her without some serious plot holes. Like going to the strictly boys spartan education, dressing in a man's cultist mask, with a damn beard on it, yet no cultist goes "oh the man with the woman's voice. The imposter must be her." Nope. They just don't notice? I guess??? The Olympics has a level where we are told under no circumstances ever can a woman even watch. And seeing as the event isn't hosted by Sparta, Kassandra wouldn't be able to bend the rules. So she wouldn't be able to do that mission full stop. On Mykonos Kyra jokes about you "comparing swords" with another spartan man. So that obviously can't work for kassandra. I hope I don't need to explain that one.

This is what PTSD does to a MF

He grew up on a completely different sociocultural background though

Connor was forced to grow up. He lost most of his childhood after his mother passed away. He had to mature so much at such a young age that it is in my opinion part of what drives him and makes him come off as stubborn or annoying. He was just a kid who was forced to grow up discriminated against with his people and during a period of war. Connor is so isolated and brooding when he’s studying and analyzing to better understand. He’s in my opinion young and naive but had to grow up too fast.

Still kind of unfair to match up since Conner had a different cultute raise him plus he experienced a ton of trauma at a young age which would mature someone. The Frye twins never really experienced anything too bad (at least on par with other assassins) and they have each other so it's not like they're the usual lone wolf assassin. So to be fair the Frye's kind of have a reason to be immature and AC Syndicate as a whole is a pretty chill experience unlike the other games with bittersweet endings and depressing deaths throughout.

He was forced to grow up early.

you know how many time ive played AC 2 and accidentally flung myself off a building, staring at Ezio in disappointment as i wait for the loading screen to end?

​@@brunocox2664 ac2 ezio is the game's biggest enemy lol. The borga have nothing on him

That's not really Ezio that's just AC2 being AC2, his personality has nothing to do with the gameplay mechanics.

@@vengeance1450 true, but the comment is still funny

That's not annoying characterization. That's bad game design

The two from Odyssey

​@@Imari-Tard your name says at all

We all know it’s going to be the Frye Twins.

Evie was fine, Jacob was the annoying one

Only Jacob evie is cool

Fun fact. In early development evie took the role of roth. And Jacob was the only protagonist in the game. Roth/evie were the original main villain. But they re-wrote the story to allow for a "twin protagonist." It's worth noting also, that a character like Roth still existed back then, but was one of Jacobs allies, not his enemy. From what I can find anyway.

@@chrismoore5333 That would have been so much more interesting than Crawford. Thanks for the info!

@Helghast_7 yh I know! Whenever I research syndicate development it makes me so sad! Because evie was far cooler as a villain, and Jacob looked so much more old school assassin! The outfit George has at the beginning of the game? Yh, that was Jacobs outfit. I wish we at least got it as a unlock in the game but ah well. Similar to Jacob in that regard, evie had a black and red version of the outfit lydia has. If you look on the games box art, she still wears the necklace lydia has, from back when that was evies necklace. Strange thing is tho, ubisoft no longer have many of the leading people behind syndicate and its stroy line. Yet, those who remain were mainly just managing people, time, and development. However these individuals claim credit for creating syndicate, which is unfair because they didn't create it at all. They developed the ideas of the people who did create it, into a game. What's more strange is that the current ubisoft team lie about syndicate all the time. Claiming evie was 50% of the game. This is simply untrue. The evidence is out there. In concept art, in the form of interviews, in the form of KZfaq videos, and leaked screenshots. And so much more. Jacob was the only playable character during the main part of the game, and then there was another character for the ww1 part of the game. Its worth noting that the character in ww1 was evie, which would sound strange, but given we know valhalla is based on early plans for syndicate (eivor taking the role of Jacob, and basim replacing evie) it seems likely that either evie was playable in ww1 to confuse the player, as she was a sage. Or that she used the shroud to survive her conflict with Jacob. Either way, I would add that Jacob and evie are based on real victorian occult characters. Jacob is the "horned god" and evie is "morrigan." She used to have a mask, scared face, and grey hair. Which we now see with Roth instead. This is in reference to the fact morrigan was said to appear relatively normal at first glance, but eventually would seem like a witch. Jacob and evie have one colour each from Aita's eyes. And in the mythology they're based on, the morrigan and the horned god, were in some way playing second fiddle to "the supreme being" which in unity we see Aita as Germain, in charge of the cult of the supreme being. This makes it very likely that Jacob and evie were originally going to be revealed as sages and in some way related to Aita. There's enough left over in the game that thus can all still technically be true of course, but not as a narrative focus anymore sadly. Now for some fun trivia. Watch dogs legion and valhalla are both based on syndicate early plans. So clearly the teams at ubisoft regret not making the original game. Jacob is identical to Shay, and both have nearly identical personality. They both begin their story at the same age aswell. Tho Jacob never gets old enough in the game to mature to shay's late game personality. The character Hope and evie also have some appearance similarity, and personality that is similar, constantly scalding Shay and Jacob for being reckless, and wasting their potential. Given the old saying they star crossed lovers come back as twins, this isn't an accident. Tho it's a little gross aswell. I guess that's why they made Jacob fancy men. Haha. Jokes aside, it is all very interesting stuff when you look into the development of these games. Sadly tho, current ubisoft devs are lying and trying to bury the development of these games.

GIVE ME LEE

You mean the sister

We all knew that was going to happen 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jacob isn't any worse than Edward or arno. But yh, whatever. This fanbase are ruled by popular thought, instead of factual examination.

@@chrismoore5333 ok mate, leaving fanboyism apart, who do you consider to be more annoying if you would have to deal with said oersin in real life????

@Andy Quinn fanboy attitude is the only reason people have the silly idea that ezio is better than most the characters who came after him. The writing for the characters got better and more mature. However the storyline got worse, mainly because they dropped the end of the world stuff, and Desmond. Ezio was a mediocre character who got 3 games so people love him, because they love the games he's in. That's fine, but the bias has spilled into utter lies about many other characters. This has been the case since brotherhood was brand new. As for characters I'd find annoying, well evie, because she is a condescending, selfish, Mary sue, with little in the way of personality, or the ability to judge her own wring doings. Then I'd also say, Edward, because while I love Edward as a character, he took years to get to a stage where he stopped trying to get money from others suffering. And then bayek. Because he needs to stop trying for his horrible wife. She was nasty and uncaring. But he literally was her number 1 fan, even as she was warmer to bloody cleopatra than she was with her own husband. And of course, finally aya. Aya is my least favourite character for a reason.

What about that one assassin who punched Shay for no reason end in general has an annoying personality.

She’s not an Assassin, but at least protagonist wise I’d honestly say Eivor. Definitely has the most stoic personality, nothing really phases her and she’s brutal in execution. In terms of Assassin, I’d probably say Altair or Bayek

​@@apollodivine Eivor is a dude

@@Boats-N-Hoes. No, canonically Ubi have said Eivor is female, also considering Eivor is a female Norse name.

@@apollodivine wrong, he's a man

@@apollodivine your wrong like always

Yep

I'm pretty sure his younger self is the one who has flaws but as he grows those flaws start to go away. From what I remember his younger self's flaw would be short temper, playboy and not understanding the reasons for being an assassin but I haven't played the ezio trilogy in a longtime so I could be wrong

@@noobtube9551 He didn't have flaws even as younger self. He did not have a short temper, he just acted little more aggressive in two scenes . He was still a playboy in brotherhood. Not understanding something at the beginning isn't exactly a character flaw. Mary/Marty Sues don't understand something at first and then they become the perfect version of it. Good example is Rey in star wars movies. Difference between them and ac 2 is that ac 2 has a well written story for the most part.

I havent played the games in a long time so you are probably right but i still like ezios growth and character I guess you probably like edward more than ezio then right?

Nah Arno got the most drip in the entire series

​@@Not.Reese777I didn't really mean in terms of outfits, all the Assassins have great drip (except Altair I never liked his outfit). But I meant the Frye twins are the best looking as in handsome and pretty, like face wise.

For me, my top picks are Bayek, Edward, and Connor.

@@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667 Connor the most. Tie in Shay from Rogue, Arno from Unity, and Connor from AC 3 with an amazing story right there. Connor would be much older by this time and Arno would be needing assistance from Connor and the American Brotherhood to take down Shay who murdered Arnos father, Connor killed Haytham who mentored Shay into the Order and Shay could attempt to undo Connors brotherhood. It’s got some really good potential imo

I just Simone’s for edward in a previous comment but this fits him as well. We never even got to see him be an assassin. Although we have a similar problem with Bayek accept, even tho he wasn’t officially an assassin. The assassins were based off of hkw he already lived his life. He was an assassin since the start of the game he just got his signature weapon and eventually made an order based around it. Edward however was just nothing like an assassin. I want a game with a wise, sage like Edward taking on a new threat brought upon the West Indies. Bonus: they can make the Jackdaw officially stronger then the Morrigan as it should be. Canonically it has greater feats. But game wise the Morrigan is just better! Why is it better in the games and not in canon?

Ezio does not need another game at all. Revelations was literally the good bye to him, there's a short movie showing his DEATH. Ezio is gone and he isn't ever coming back. Just move on from Ezio already it's been like 15 years.

​@@northamerica5142I agree he doesn't need another game but calm down, it's clear your salty about a fictional character so calm down there chief.

Yes he’s so useless😂

❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊 heart of gold with a hands wrath

GIVE ME LEE

same, they souldve bring a better villain and more missions to make them more relatable, but they are still wery fun to play

Connors not that annoying compared to Jacob

@@CB-THE-OG honestly Jacob isn't any more annoying than ezio in AC2, or Arno, or Edward. But people were told to think jacob is worse, and so they think what they're told now. Isn't it funny how Jacob, Alexios, and male eivor are all insulted by media outlets? Almost like it's actually because those media outlets need an excuse to hate these characters because they are paired with female characters that would be great for the media outlets to write about.

​@@CB-THE-OGConnor isn't annoying at all and Jacob can be annoying but I kinda like him so I gave him a pass. My most annoying assassin would be Arno, I can't stand a simp character who ignores all logic for "tHe LoVe Of ThEiR LiFe" plus they tried to make him like a French Ezio but it didn't work because he didn't have Ezio's charm or coolness in my opinion.

@Vengeance I think Arno gets a bad wrap to be honest. He isn't as likeable as ezio (in AC2, because brotherhood ezio is not likeable really) but arno dose have more depth of character, and his motives are more pure hearted, despite the more selfish exterior of arno's personality. I felt arno and Jacob were more complex, less iconic and likeable, but more intelligently written characters. Not as many fans understand them, and so they both get a bad wrap. That's my view anyway.

​@@vengeance1450 Finally, another one has the guts to tell the truth of the spineless Assassimp Arno Dorian.

Connor has some depth during the homestead missions and his scenes with Achilles. But outside of that, he's a slice of bread with angry eyebrows drawn on

@@Scuttlerofwhimsey I disagree

GIVE ME LEE

They aren't assassin's he said

He only includes assassins, and Kassandra / Alexios and Eivor are not assassins, Bayek gets a pass because he becomes the founder of the order.

Left out Shay as well bc like the other two you mentioned, Shay isn’t an assassin

@@nerdthatcantfit1079 *was* an Assassin

@@joeanderson8707 i don’t see how that matters at all

Personally, Evie is more annoying. Jacob is fun because his flaw and she always insult her brother by saying "father did not appreciate him"

@@bravejonah It's been a while since I've played Syndicate, but totally agreed. He's a lot of fun. Evie weighs on her father's opinion. The train fight scene where Jacob says something like "Father is dead!" to Evie is my favourite. It was nice to see Jacob defending himself.

I agree with that but Ezio does have flaws and he shows them during AC Revelations and the AC Embers short video. He explains that he pretty much wasted his whole life as an Assassin when he could have found love sooner, had fun and enjoy life, but imstead all he did was seek revenge and was nothing but a conduit for a man that he had no idea who he was. He admits all that multiple times and I think it shows into his flaws as he wishes he would have quit the assassins sooner. But I do agree with you and I like the Frye twins too which get way too much hate in my opinion. But my personal most annoying character would be Arno.

Lol, these fried twins stans are so annoying. Bayek is essentially a well rounded character that Jacob and Evie wished that they were.

@@memecliparchives2254 and then you woke up

Bayek had some of my favorite interactions and dialogues in the series with the side missions and enviroment in Origins had. One of the ones that stuck with me the most was when Bayek basically counciled a young woman who was going to commit suicide. The voice actor for Bayek also put his all in that performance, especially in scenes when Bayek is pissed off or deep in thought.