Probably more than you ever needed to know about the E2's capabilities and limitations, using material from the Archives. Patreon link: / the_chieftain
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@Treblaine3 жыл бұрын
Jumbo: "Nothing gets through this armour" Commander: "Climb that hill" Jumbo: [sweats]
@AgentTasmania2 жыл бұрын
Ferdinand: *shifty eyes*
@BigZam_TheMan2 жыл бұрын
The Jumbo and me in Middle school gym class have a lot in common then.
@justforever962 жыл бұрын
That isnt what he said, actually.
@frenzalrhomb69192 жыл бұрын
@@AgentTasmania Good on ya'mate!!
@mrcoolz55413 ай бұрын
@@AgentTasmaniaKing Tiger: *Faints*
@trymetal954 жыл бұрын
"First about the T14..." Oh, shit. He's gonna run out of time to talk about the Jumbo again
@@razor1uk610 Hull machine guns were a waste anyway. lol
@tongtalks51234 жыл бұрын
@@kyle857 Tell that to the infantry that got mowed down by hull mounted MGs.
@randymagnum1434 жыл бұрын
An ambush is very much, a defensive assult.
@QuizmasterLaw4 жыл бұрын
^put the L in Lt.
@sebastiancizmarov12734 жыл бұрын
*assault
@chuckhainsworth48014 жыл бұрын
You don't understand the military purpose of an ambush. It is an offensive patrol sent to cause casualties, and is usually the smaller force. There is nothing defensive about them.
@randymagnum1434 жыл бұрын
@@chuckhainsworth4801 that is certianly not the only scenario in which you would set up an ambush.
@QuizmasterLaw4 жыл бұрын
@@chuckhainsworth4801 an ambush is executed from defensive positions.
@hyfy-tr2jy4 жыл бұрын
An Assault Tank = it has a 20 round or more magazine and is painted black
@alwayscurious33574 жыл бұрын
We need common sense tank laws now!
@halfassedfart4 жыл бұрын
@Luke L. Lefties are pro gun. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." It's liberals who're scared of guns, because they're still trying to pretend that we live in the post-prejudice paradise that was promised but never delivered.
@michaelusswisconsin60024 жыл бұрын
hyfy1970 back in black
@WasatchGarandMan4 жыл бұрын
@@halfassedfart imagine still believing this shit hahahaha
@coachhannah24034 жыл бұрын
halfassedfart - Utter Nonsense.
@jeremy13924 жыл бұрын
Chieftain: "you probably know most of what I'm going to say already." Me: "I know nothing about the jumbo lmao"
@YukitsuTimes4 жыл бұрын
It's a Sherman and it's off its diet. Pretty much as described.
@user-ro9zf9kz1h3 жыл бұрын
@@YukitsuTimes Its turret is pretty much as thick as a tiger 2 (177mm vs 180mm).
@CallanElliott3 жыл бұрын
It's a more American Sherman.
@aldenconsolver34282 жыл бұрын
I doubt if you will come back and read this, but much thanks for the in-depth explanation of the oddball Jumbo Sherman. In its small way, the Jumbo was a model of how the UK and the USA won the war. Something now that just works is so much better than something someday for twice the money. The Jumbo gave the infantry a reasonably improved tank for their job, no real maintenance problems (or at least no new ones). It could have been done the German way, a wonderful tank and then let the troops in the field debug the thing. The jumbo could be slapped back together from parts already at the repair depots and sent back. At one point on the Eastern front more than half of the German tanks were parked for lack of spare parts and qualified mechanics (see TIK about this).
@TheChieftainsHatch2 жыл бұрын
I read most of the comments....
@bartfoster13114 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure I saw one of these at the Ft Benning motorpool when I delivered a M3 Stuart replica to the museum. You get some crazy looks pulling a tank down the interstate behind a Suburban! I even had a WW2 vet come up to me at a gas station and ask "how in the world are you pulling that and how is it not crushing the trailer?!" He was shocked when I told him to look under it and it was just a shell. He couldn't tell it was a replica from 10 feet away, mission accomplished! And yes, the goal was eventually to make replicas of Tiger I and other rare tanks that are not on display in the US.
@hanfpeter75854 жыл бұрын
Bart Foster for replicas of tigers, ask the psnzermuseum Munster... they know their stuff
@bartfoster13114 жыл бұрын
@@hanfpeter7585 we made this replica years before the replica of frankentiger and was made in conjunction with the US Army. As far as I know this was the first full scale replica based on molds where you could see all the detail in welds and such. The tiger replica was the 2nd replica that I know of and the original for that is here in the US somewhere now in a personal collection. It is a shame that germany and the US have such dumb, restrictive laws on collecting retired armored vehicles.
@AudieHolland4 жыл бұрын
During the filming of "A Bridge Too Far" in the Netherlands, they also extensively used Sherman-shell carts. Not for the stunt shots of course but from a bit of a distance they looked genuine. Thanks for reinforcing the 'authentic look' of replica tanks. Of course, the 'Shermans' in that movie had their own engine and were extremely nimble and maneuverable because they were mostly made out of glass fibre.
@bartfoster13114 жыл бұрын
www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/students-build-replica-of-wwii-tank/ here is a link to an article about the replica, I need to dig up some better pictures of it. The pizza delivery guy looked at us like we were crazy! To be fair there was the replica tank in pieces, a M29 Weasel that needs new tracks, 2 AK47 including one with an 80 round drum, and what appeared to be a couple dozen M2 Browning .50 cal and M1919A4 .30 cal. It was a lot of fun! Molding the suspension was definitely the hardest part.
@andrewwoodhead31414 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid I worked at the Museum in Cornwall, England where all those old vehicles from “a bridge too far” were kept. The old boy who owned the museum (I think it was called lamamva, something like that), he’d build them all from landrover parts. There was the German armoured cars, THAT halftrack , one of those Shermans built on a landrover, a panzer 4 I’ve never seen on film also on a ladrover , and alot of trucks from the Indiana Jonnes movies. He had some genuine pieces too, a BIG mercedes, a Zundapp (crazy German war bike, big as a tiger tank and with a drive shaft to the rear wheel AND the sidecar wheel). Bloody amazing. Only down side was the music , it was on a loop and there were only three songs.
@sheriffhotdog14434 жыл бұрын
What's an assault tank? U.S. Army: *Yes*
@das36104 жыл бұрын
Carnivorus as compared to the Sherman?
@markcorrigan39304 жыл бұрын
Heavy frontal armor, the gun of a medium tank and weak side armor. I think the reliability and mobility it's inferior to the heavy tank M26
@SvenTviking4 жыл бұрын
The Churchill AVRE.
@arkadeepkundu47294 жыл бұрын
*Any tank with black plastic furniture & magazine capacity greater than 10* -News media, 2019
@phil20_204 жыл бұрын
You mean U.S.Army brass...
@Dreska_4 жыл бұрын
How fast does it reverse? 'Yes' Yes, but how fast? 'Three' Three?!
@theasparagus17694 жыл бұрын
Still better then the british
@darnit19443 жыл бұрын
3 speed gear so it can retreat faster
@deeznoots62413 жыл бұрын
@@theasparagus1769 the Archer assault gun had a very fast ‘reverse’
@billwilson36092 жыл бұрын
The M4's top reverse speed was only 5 to 6 mph since it used the first gear which was a granny gear that was only used to get a heavy tow moving from a dead stop. Otherwise, the M4 driver used 2nd gear to get the tank moving after being stopped.
@tommygun333 Жыл бұрын
Still better than much more modern t72s, as they still reverse at 3 km an hour, not even miles!
@PanzerDave4 жыл бұрын
The comment about keeping the M4 designation so as to keeping it from looking like a new vehicle is spot on. When I first became an officer (after being enlisted for a few years) we still had the M551 Sheridan. This was officially called an armored (armoured for my friends across the pond and down under!) reconnaissance/airborne assault vehicle. In reality it was a light tank but the Army was afraid that Congress wouldn't fund the development of two tanks (At the time, the MBT70 was under development also). Many times such games are played not just for funding reasons, but also for political reasons, to include inter-service issues as well as issues within the same branch but amongst different departments.
@ToddSauve2 жыл бұрын
Hey, its "armoured" north of the border, too!
@PanzerDave2 жыл бұрын
@@ToddSauve LOL. Sorry about missing those up north. Also missing those down under. Wait, can I claim that across the pond also includes those in the British Empire, and by extension those up north?! : )
@donberry76572 жыл бұрын
Like calling the P38 a pursuit interceptor because they really wanted to build a 2 engined fighter. Or the "F" 117, which was anything but. Same old dance to different tunes...
@M29WeaselDriver4 жыл бұрын
There is a Sherman Jumbo in Camp Ripley MN with. Documented ETO battle damage. The curator there is a good guy who loves to talk history.
@bonboll50124 жыл бұрын
Americans in WW2: *makes tank design* British: I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK
@clothar234 жыл бұрын
@yeoldebiggetee Man as long as it had some way of moving forward and a gun the Brits took it.
@chocoman454 жыл бұрын
@yeoldebiggetee They already had their bizzaro tanks. No need to buy more.
@EstellammaSS4 жыл бұрын
yeoldebiggetee and you’re just edgy
@comradecommissar3114 жыл бұрын
yeoldebiggetee wow I bet your real fun at parties dude...Your not funny. Only 700 Mtls were made and they were primarily used as scout tanks by the marine corp and none of them ever saw action. I’m sure if the US had made more the British would have taken anything they could have got.
@TheWarforged3 жыл бұрын
The true irony here is that us Brits took American tanks as they were ready to go in the numbers necessary for armoured warfare, but the Americans refused Hobart's funnies and suffered greatly on the beaches in 1944 as a result. TLDR: Experienced nation does what is necessary, newb nation snubs that experience as it "knows better" due to its teenage level of understanding and promptly gets wrecked.
@russwoodward82514 жыл бұрын
“It’s just a scratch”. “But your arm is off!” Thanks again for the research. Great information.
@JeanLucCaptain3 жыл бұрын
Sherman Jumbo: you’re suspensions off! It’s put a scratch!
@wyliemitchell64422 жыл бұрын
I love his Python Black Knight reference
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer4 жыл бұрын
In the battle for Metz my dad was up against a pill box and his Gunner was freaking out. Dad pulled him out of the seat and cited the gun himself. He put a 75 Round right through the slot killing the Germans in the bunker. Dad was an expert gunner in the M4 and M3. He could work that 75 like there was no tomorrow.
@Riceball014 жыл бұрын
Your dad gave the gun a ticket? 😃
@billwilson36092 жыл бұрын
The gunner usually replaced the commander when he went down with the loader taking over the gunner's position and the bow gunner taking over as the loader.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer2 жыл бұрын
@@billwilson3609 yeah usually that's what happens but in this case the Gunner just was freaking out because they were taking a lot of fire at Metz. Everybody has a breaking point, well most people. There are some people who just react do it needs to be done and then get the shakes afterwards. My dad never talked about the shakes but I've seen him react to situations over the years when he was alive, I would bet real money he was one of those people that got the shakes afterwards.
@battlejitney21973 жыл бұрын
Cobra King was a monument tank on our BN grounds when I was a PL in 1-37AR in Vilseck, GE in the 90’s. She needed some TLC back then. I was happy to hear she was brought home for rest and refit.
@wilkatis4 жыл бұрын
Question to KZfaq: Seeing how I’m subscribed to this channel, why is this video in my “recommended” list, but not in my “subscriptions” list? I’m getting real sick of YT doing this ^
@philipbossy48344 жыл бұрын
Same here now that I look at it. Maybe the combination of "assault" and "tank" was enough for YT to try to hide it.
@SaltySwede4 жыл бұрын
Same here. It didn't show up in my subscriptions. I only found out about it thanks to a bot on a Discord server that sends out a notification for Chieftain uploads.
@roguegen55364 жыл бұрын
I just noticed this as well. Not only did it not show up under my subs 11 hrs ago when it was published, it only just now turned up in my recommended options. Going to turn on notifications and see what happens.
@williammagoffin93244 жыл бұрын
Same here, I didn't get a notification in my email either, only saw it in recommended. FFS KZfaq.
@caboosez2504 жыл бұрын
Same just double checked myself.
@elitecorsair4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on the American use of the 105mm gun in Ww2 and how it fared in combat? I’ve never seen much information on it before hearing you talk about it.
@richardschaffer55884 жыл бұрын
25#er, nebelwerfer, etc outside the chieftains hatch?
@Gerbs19134 жыл бұрын
the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4_105mm/m4_105mm.html That's a decent link, at least shows that the gun lasted for several years which shows that it worked. It was mostly deployed against fortifications and defensive positions, but it could be fired at enemy armor or vehicles if nothing else was available to reasonable effect. HE from a 105 would damage an enemy tank's gun, immobilize it, or seriously concuss the crew in the tank from how much explosive force has just hit them.
@billwilson36094 жыл бұрын
The M4's with 105mm howitzers were made to replace the M3 105mm gun motor carriages that had open tops so were dangerous to use when assaulting enemy positions head-on. The HEAT round it shot was for self-defense against enemy armor but it's standard HE round packed quite a wallop so was often used against tank road wheels and treads to disable them. The Army did use their 155mm howitzers on M3 and M4 chassis as bunker busters. Those were set where the German AT guns couldn't be trained on them and fired their 155's like rifles at the gun openings or the concrete walls protecting their exit doors. General Patton was the first to use them that way and said one or two well placed shots made the gun crews evacuate their positions in record time.
@billwilson36093 жыл бұрын
@MERCENARYREVY The M4 users liked the short barrel 75 and 105 because those enabled the turret to rotate 360 degrees in smaller spaces and be pointed to one side while driving down narrow streets.
@davidelliott58433 жыл бұрын
57mm of the Six Pounder sounds a bit small but was very high velocity using a huge propellant cartridge. However tanks were used more for infantry support and bigger shells carry a bigger bangs. I guess the issue was that trying to do everything in one package often does nothing very well.
@electrolytics4 жыл бұрын
First Class presentation. Great research and detail. Always look forward to these videos on armor. Thank you.
@johnnyzippo71094 ай бұрын
I can’t explain why , but this specific topic covered in this presentation is my all time favorite . Chieftain has absolutely mastered this niche of historic study and presentation . Top that off with Chieftain being a combat vet / scholar , this channel is a buffet line of awesome !
@rosaparks64794 жыл бұрын
"You probably already know most of what I'm going to say" I never knew the Jumbo existed until now
@External27373 жыл бұрын
Nor I. I'm not sure of the point...
@arbysregionalmanager70323 жыл бұрын
Very cool rosa parks
@rosaparks64793 жыл бұрын
@@arbysregionalmanager7032 Thank you Arbys Regional Manager.
@pandovian_3 жыл бұрын
16:02 literally made me laugh out loud. They genuinely shot the bejeezus out of it. Also, I'd never seen shells lodged in like that in real life. Guess it actually happens!
@Green-ader Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ
@Ryan-ti4yv10 ай бұрын
@@Green-ader Amen.
@inkedseahear4 жыл бұрын
Army Ground Forces: Well Armored Board I've made it, despite your prototypes. Armored Board: Ah, AGF. Welcome. I hope you're prepared for an unforgettable Heavy Tank. Army Ground Forces: Yeah. Armored Board: [Looks at T-26] Oh, egads! My Heavy Tank is ruined. But what if I were to up-armor the Sherman and disguise it as an Assault Tank? Delightfully devilish, AB. Ah- Army Ground Forces: Armored Board! Armored Board: AGF, I was just- uh, just testing out the T26. Staying ahead of the Germans. Interested? Army Ground Forces: Why is there smoke coming out of the tank, AB? Armored Board: Uh- Oh. That isn't smoke. It's steam. Steam from the steamed 90mm Gun its carrying. Mmm. 90 mil. Armored Board: AGF, I hope you're ready for mouthwatering Assaults Tanks. Army Ground Forces: I thought we're getting Heavies? Armored Board: D'oh, no. I said Assaults Tanks. That's what I call Heavies. Army Ground Forces: You call Heavies "Assault Tanks"? Armored Board: Yes. It's a doctrinal need. Army Ground Forces: Uh-huh. Uh, what doctrine? AB:- Uh, US Army. AGF: Really? Well, I wrote the Doctrine, and I've never heard anyone use the phrase "Assaults Tanks". AB: Oh, not in the US. No. It's a British expression. AGF: I see. You know, these Assaults Tanks are quite similar to the Shermans we have. AB: Oh, no. Patented armor protection. New US designs. AGF: For Assaults Tanks. AB: Yes. AGF: Yes. And you call them Assaults Tanks despite the fact that they are obviously mediums. AB: Ye- You know, the- One thing I should- - Excuse me for one second. AGF: Of course. AB: Well, that was wonderful. A good time was had by all. I'm pooped. AGF: Yes. I should be- Good Lord! What is happening in there? [All the reports of the T26] AB: - British 17pdrs. AGF: Uh- British 17pdrs? At this time of year at this time of day in this part of the country localized entirely within the testing ground? AB: -Yes. AGF: May I use it? AB: No. US Forces: Hey we're getting slaughtered out here! AB: No, troops. It's just you badly using TDs. AGF: Well, AB, you are an odd fellow but I must say you make a good Tank.
@onebigfatguy4 жыл бұрын
Ah Steamed Hams. You never know where that skit will show up.
@elwayfan014 жыл бұрын
This is the greatest thing ever
@jackeyboy65384 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@Predator203574 жыл бұрын
Although I find this inaccurate, I appreciate the amount of effort you put into this and for that, I commend you
@gelatinousturncoat3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this.
@michaelkarnerfors95454 жыл бұрын
"Cognoscenti"... The Chieftain has yet again enriched my vocabulary. :)
@RJLbwb4 жыл бұрын
I have to say Chieftain you have a way of explaining technical details that keeps it interesting.
@daniel_f40504 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I’ve never studied the various Shermans. But as the Jumbo has always been my favorite in Blitz this video was truly fascinating.
@kilmentvoroshilov28274 жыл бұрын
Sanguinary Dan ikr I sold mine as a collector and I miss it so much
@daniel_f40504 жыл бұрын
Even after WG neutered the Jumbo in 5.5 I knew I couldn’t give it up. @derp kv2 - You can always get them to restore your Jumbo if you’ve got the Gold. I got my T-150 back and haven’t regretted that.
@Deadeye3134 жыл бұрын
Love the jumbo in WoT. Always fun to drive.
@cgross824 жыл бұрын
Excellent talk, as usual! Allow me to echo others in saying how much I appreciate your use of original documents and other original sources, which sets your research apart. It was great meeting you at Tankfest, and I wish you much success, both in your military career and your work for Wargaming!
@MrKds19984 жыл бұрын
This channel in one of few that I actually have notifications on, also recently got the 'oh bugger the tank is on fire' t-shirt and i love it, keep up the nice work my guy.
@chrishewitt42204 жыл бұрын
Got mine too! SWMBO loves the colour, which is a nice shade of forest green.
@markfryer98804 жыл бұрын
@@chrishewitt4220 Had to stop and think about SWMBO. She Who Must Be Obeyed, a Rumpole of The Bailey reference.
@eazy85794 жыл бұрын
Might I ask where you found them? I've been looking for a while, and I can't find them anywhere? Do you know where I should look
@benjaminmiddaugh27294 жыл бұрын
"Not sure how you assault in defense" Perhaps as part of a good offense? The best defense is a good offense, after all.
@dweeeebreal4 жыл бұрын
"The best offense is an even better defense." -Some old man 40 millenia later
@benjaminmiddaugh27294 жыл бұрын
@@dweeeebreal "The most reliable way to win is just be amazing at everything you need to do." Someone other than me, probably.
@lavrentivs98914 жыл бұрын
@@dweeeebreal Rather fitting about WW1 as well^^
@SleepySkull14 жыл бұрын
The best offense is taping the 2 key and loading gold and lol pen everything. -General Patton, 1944 circa
@owenauer34064 жыл бұрын
You fire while in reverse.
@77gravity2 жыл бұрын
4:54 "Hearing the scorn in Chieftain's voice, Leaf Springs dragged itself into a corner and commenced quiet weeping"
@banzaibomb49804 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chieftain, the jumbo is one of my favorite tanks of all time
@VegasCyclingFreak4 жыл бұрын
Nice to know a little more about the Jumbo Sherman Tamiya 1/35 scale model I built some 20+ years ago.
@1337flite4 жыл бұрын
Yay for the Jumbo!!!! (and the Chieftain - cheers mate).
@razzaus1570 Жыл бұрын
I got excited when you mentioned Leaf Springs.
@WildBillCox134 жыл бұрын
Excellent segment. Thanks for posting, Col Nick.
@Bird_Dog004 жыл бұрын
As with the overwhelming majority of your videos, I enjoyed watching it. Came for the tank lore, stayed for the use of primary sources and the dry humour...
@josephsteven16004 жыл бұрын
Dry humour bestest humor
@killian93144 жыл бұрын
My favorite tank. Been waiting for this so long!
@willcullen37434 жыл бұрын
Well made lecture and info on the jumbo, top notch on the details and the limited info on the reasons why the 75mm was selected for the jumbo and not a larger gun
@russwoodward82514 жыл бұрын
Great research. I’ll watch this more than once. Thanks!
@non-prolific135thscalemode74 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what this channel means for wargaming since I'm not into computer games, but in my opinion this is one of the most important channels for scale modelers. Excellent reference and a lot of knowledge on armoured vehicles. Thanks a lot.
@Qardo4 жыл бұрын
"I keep running out of time to talk about the Jumbo. Here it is!" Video Ends.
@deutscheuberlegenheit74524 жыл бұрын
So about the t14
@ThorandSharon4 жыл бұрын
Great, informative video. Thank you for posting!
@charlesabdouch30524 жыл бұрын
I was blessed to see the one at Ft Benning and get Rob's tour explaining the evolution of the M4 from the T5, M3, M4, T23, and back to the M4 to the final Easy-8 Version
@garethfairclough87154 жыл бұрын
Nice! I've been looking forward to your take on the Jumbo. By the way, is it just me or is your mic just a bit "blown out" at times in this one, especially early on?
@paulmorneault39943 жыл бұрын
i am officially a tank geek. I blame The_Chieftain. while sitting here trying not to be an armchair warrior. i could not find any of his well thought out observations to disagree with. spot on as usual!
@inclusivemodeldesigns164 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love this tank and other Sherman’s!
@qcarr4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video, Chieftain!
@UkrainianPaulie4 жыл бұрын
Love the Jumbo.
@The_Crimson_Fucker4 жыл бұрын
And the Jumbo loves you too, random citizen.
@dr.ryttmastarecctm65954 жыл бұрын
A fascinating presentation of a weapon system that can best be described as, _“Good enough for Government work.”_ This is not a disparaging remark considering the system was created/fielded during war time.
@imagifyer4 жыл бұрын
Interestingly the phrase “Good enough for Government work.” originally described something that was of the highest worksmanship and quality, and over time somehow inverted to mean something crude or expedient
@epion6604 жыл бұрын
@Oppai Man It's not our lack of pride in what we make, It's our lack of faith in the government. Not that we don't want to make the best, it's that the government can't be bothered to pay for decent stuff.
@shingshongshamalama4 жыл бұрын
@@epion660 Americans have been spoonfed "durr gubmint bad" for decades by a corporate hegemony.
@epion6604 жыл бұрын
@@shingshongshamalama They minimize cost to the point of damage, and squeeze every last dime out of anything they can. They constantly are in debt, and still throw money at pointless efforts instead of actually helping people.
@shingshongshamalama4 жыл бұрын
@@epion660 Yeah that's what happens when you put conservatives in charge who hate government on principle and want to dismantle the institutions of democracy to enable their rich business pals to exploit the public even more. Seriously, you never bothered to notice that it's the same people enacting these policies that constantly rant about how evil the gubmint is?
@jnelchef4 жыл бұрын
Another great video. It was great seeing you at the Battle for the Airfield!
@hamm60354 жыл бұрын
Definitely a good video. I didn't know a lot past the Jumbo existed. Thanks
@nihmunesimp424 жыл бұрын
"Near Vancouver," are you trying to tell me the folks up in Chilliwack are restoring a Jumbo?
@jamespocelinko1044 жыл бұрын
Everyone else: LOL, Sherman tanks have weak armor. *Laughs in Jumbo Sherman*
@deutscheuberlegenheit74524 жыл бұрын
Tiger H1: puny tanks Jumbo: hello pussy cat
@tomdibernardo16994 жыл бұрын
@@deutscheuberlegenheit7452 only problem was too few in number the standard M4's are butter to most tanks they fought
@deutscheuberlegenheit74524 жыл бұрын
@@tomdibernardo1699 problem for the tiger is they rarely fought Sherman's well I know of at least two instances one were the Sherman won well so I've been told anyways idk about both circumstances that were "documented" so since the MBT/medium tank was the Panzer IV with some being the up armoured/upguned 7,5 cm kwk 40 (that's the designation right?) I think the Sherman stands a better chance, even still being at a disadvantage; it comes to who shoots first the 76.2 mm and 7,5 cm isn't that big of a gap. Poor 75mm & 105mm howitzer Sherman's.
@tomdibernardo16994 жыл бұрын
@@deutscheuberlegenheit7452 i agree there were only two accounts, it wasn't the tiger or the 76mm sherman i was talking about. it was the poor 75's the later pz4 variants had a much better gun then the Sherman 75 performance wise. lets be honest there's not much their armor could effectively defend against.it was as you say a shoot first to win situation. now if they did have jumbos in number they would out class most German medium tanks/TD's, at least in being a mobile pill box
@deutscheuberlegenheit74524 жыл бұрын
@@tomdibernardo1699 yup but the jumbo had the same problem as the tiger low numbers which is a shame saying that it's my favorite Sherman variant. I'm going on a different topic of what if's but image the jumbo with the HVSS suspension.. so basicly the one uparmuored easy 8 "Thunderbolt"
@GullySyde284 жыл бұрын
I just switched notifications on. I hope you do more presentations on well known tanks like this so much to learn. Cheers
@ORPKryzys4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I found it interesting and informative. This type of content at this deph is unique.
@dizoddish4933 жыл бұрын
Playing War Thunder: WHERES THE MG PORT
@vucko92013 жыл бұрын
Behind the 5 tons of bushes in the front
@MrNoFaceGuy2 жыл бұрын
@@vucko9201 aaaaaand it fucking missed
@BA-gn3qb4 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear Tank Chat's David Fletcher's views on the Jumbo.
@keithplymale23744 жыл бұрын
Chieftain said the word that best describes the M3 75mm gun, a compromise.
@philipinchina4 ай бұрын
Your content is always worth watching.
@Kar4ever34 жыл бұрын
Odd. This video not showing up in my subscribed tab. But in the recommended....... KZfaq up to tricks again?
@aapelikahkonen4 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@kevinabbott38904 жыл бұрын
Same
@erinwhite20174 жыл бұрын
Same for me.
@lavrentivs98914 жыл бұрын
Clicked the small bell next to the subscribe button for level of notifications?
@Kar4ever34 жыл бұрын
@@lavrentivs9891 First having this problem on Chieftains channel, so no. Not until now.
@davidelliott58433 жыл бұрын
The best weapon against large fortifications turned out to be the Barnes Wallis Tallboy and Grand Slam bombs. Clearly not so handy if a particularly tough bunker is found but no worries for big stuff like the Pas De Calais Cupola.
@TacticalOni4 жыл бұрын
You spooked the hell out of me on Colombus Day weekend at the American Heritage Museum while I was chatting about the Jumbo we have. Part of me really hopes I wasn't saying something *so wrong* it spawned a 24 minute video that I'm definitely am going to use as a refresher!
@NicWalker6274 жыл бұрын
Simple. Sweet. Straight Forward. Saturated with factoids. Excellent video!
@magnacartasamadams81894 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail picture of the jumbo is tank 420 Now that would be awesome to hotbox a tank😤💨
@billwilson36094 жыл бұрын
US Army armor commanders didn't want a heavy tank that required it's own specially trained mechanics, specially equipped repair shops and supply of parts that couldn't be used on their M3's and M4's but accepted the Jumbo since it was only an up armored M4. The sole purpose of the Jumbo was to be the lead tank when conducting assaults to draw enemy AT and tank fire in order to reveal their positions. Some did get shot up. I recall seeing photos of a few Franken Jumbos that had the less armored tranny noses and early M4 turrets, which were interchangeable between all production runs.
@burningtank1602 жыл бұрын
chill with the slurs
@royshobe66423 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video
@John-mq9fx4 жыл бұрын
Good vid (as always), The Army's gain will be Aquino weekends lose for the 2020 season. We'll miss you there this year Nic.
@fed0t384 жыл бұрын
Great video! Though i hoped T33 would be mentioned as Jumbo derivative design with HVSS suspension.
@zorkwhouse81254 жыл бұрын
@The_Chieftain Excellent and informative video as always. I also have a question though sir, with a little context beforehand: From watching some of your other videos and from past study I've noticed that the Americans and consequently the British seem to have struggled throughout the war to develop and field vehicles with (and I feel silly not remembering if its the right term but..) higher caliber guns. Granted some of it may have had to do with a perceived lack of need for heavier guns on their tanks and other vehicles for part of the war, which may have discouraged really determined efforts R&D wise to produce the like, but it also seemed that even when they finally determined there was a need the process was still filled with delays and failed experiments. So, getting to the question (sorry): The Russians on the other hand fielded a much broader variety of vehicles with heavier guns over the course of the war - T34-85, KV 85, ISU-100 and 120, and so on. Was it the case that the American R&D folks just paid no attention to the Russian army's developments or there wasn't a back and forth in terms of communicating what each side was working on or had put into production? I know that the Americans obviously held in some cases vastly different standards from the Russians in terms of what they wanted out of their vehicles, but it seems like they could have at least have learned some things with regard to turret development for tanks with larger guns (as this seemed to be a problem that gave the Americans a lot of grief at various points) etc that could have sped up R&D time needed to develop and field tanks and tank destroyers with larger guns (once they decided this was necessary - though it sounded like the British came to this realization earlier than the Americans but really had to wait until the Americans developed and produced equipment for them because of British manufacturing limitations).
@bobsyuruncle134 жыл бұрын
Very informative video as always.
@ddraig19574 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video as usual, but could we have a follow up video on the combat history of the Jumbo. I know a Jumbo led the 4th Armoured to the relief of Bastogne but what did the other Jumbos do ? Also someone should do a video about one of the most outstanding combat commanders of WW2,the original CO of 4th Armoured ,John " Tiger " Wood.
@opperbuil4 жыл бұрын
@The_Chieftain Yesterday, during our city's liberaton day +75 years, I saw the HVSS suspension of the Dutch Army props department's M4 Sherman. It seems like the suspension and thus weels cannot travel a lot vertically. Could you talk suspension, -travel, effects of terrain and the sorts somewhere in the future, plz? Hopefully this question is good enough to throw on the "interesting stuff to ramble on about" - pile. Thanks for your very well presented and formatted info pieces over the last couple of years. I am aware that today there are 131k of us and only 1 of you, so this may pass you by or get unanswered. I just want to send a question your way that can hopefully inspire you to talk about something not usually asked and which may lead to a new point of view and a well viewed video.
@kainhall3 жыл бұрын
the jumbo sherman is my ALL TIME favorite tank. it somehow looks better than a normal sherman...... and in almost every game its in (even red orchestra 1 from 2006)..... its armor is TROLL AS HELL! . i once had a fight with a tiger 1 (in red orchestra 1, a DAMN realistic game)..... i was hull down, but the tiger was angled to me we proceeded to bounce ROUND AFTER round off each others turrets..... with me getting a lucky shot in after he turned his turret to shoot one of my friends. . this did not destroy him, and only killed 1 crew member, and made his engine smoke. im sure we were both yelling on the radio for support..... but we were on the edge of the 160 square KM map, so it took a while. eventually, we both got low on ammo...... and were just starring at each other....both madder than hell. . finally, a sherman showed up...... the tiger turned to engage him and i put a 2nd 755mm round into his turret, which hit some ammo, and blew his ass up he was NOT happy..... i know this.... because of his "all chat" messages that followed
@bigjulie37144 жыл бұрын
Thank God you have dropped the music! Wise man.
@davidbrennan6604 жыл бұрын
What about track tension? The other stuff is interesting but it is track tension that matters.... unless we can take it as per the earlier model. Love the show.
@robbrunk12144 жыл бұрын
The issues of the pill boxes on the seigfried line was solved by a howitzer set horizontal to the ground and boresighted on the pill box. Covered in "citizen soldiers" by stephen ambrose.
@billwilson36094 жыл бұрын
I got a saved photo of a 155 gun motor carriage being used that way. The pic shows the gun in recoil with the shell exploding on a hillside about a mile or so off in the distance.
@PropensityVisualized Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@CleveAneki4 жыл бұрын
For those wondering, .11 mils at 1000 yards is a bit less than 4 inches. A minute of angle at 1000 yards is 10 inches. Even if we assume the 76mm dispersion to be distance from center/aimpoint, rather than farthest distance between two impacts, the 76mm M1 qualifies as sub-MOA.
@Gerbs19134 жыл бұрын
"We need a Sherman but make it thick."
@bobcohoon96154 жыл бұрын
It was an interim heavy tank .It could take hits from 88's and survive
@TheStormtrooper004 жыл бұрын
On theory "could" it depends bcs the 88 is one of the most powerfull guns fielded im ww2, but i'd rather be in an e2 than any other sherman against German guns
@HankLoremonger4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStormtrooper00 Pretty sure it regulary survived frontal hits from 88s being used as AT guns.
@AllMightyKingBowser4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStormtrooper00 I think we are talking about the short 88, the L/56... The L/71 could punch through the Jumbo from anywhere below 2 km, I believe, no sources though.
@Romanov1174 жыл бұрын
PinkNight The L/71 were limited productions and were seen used by Tiger-II's. But regardless, the Jumbo can survive the L/71 below 2km's, shells penetration performance degrades at ranges.
@snakedelugerpg20424 жыл бұрын
White343 nah it can pen it at those ranges
@garycort79974 ай бұрын
Well done and interesting.
@IronSalamander84 жыл бұрын
207 Brinell is pretty soft (roughly 16 Rockwell C). At work we generally work with stuff closer to the 40s and 50s HRC. I take it that was since harder steel is indeed more brittle and therefore more likely to shatter and fracture from hits, that softer metal is more desirable for armor applications. This is something I'd love to see in more depth! Great video as always!
@johnneill9902 жыл бұрын
So sad! Way tooo soft, they annealed it to prevent Spalding and cracking. A better solution would have been to add alloys to make it tougher or flame harden the outside surfaces. America with our resources could have had the best Tank Armor of the war but instead we had the softest.
@Error-54784 жыл бұрын
Warthunder Jumbo: I OWN YOUR SOUL NOW.
@hanzykrupps63834 жыл бұрын
The toughest Sherman EVER!!
@harrypoon34104 жыл бұрын
no, fury was
@slingerssecretlaboratory4 ай бұрын
I enjoy your content Chieftain
@relectric693 жыл бұрын
Great video
@cheyannei59834 жыл бұрын
17:50 Same reason we discover these things these days: some real bored hotshot gunner wanted to show off and win a bet at the same time.
@thomasellysonting35544 жыл бұрын
I would suggest perhaps another avenue of inquiry with regards to the choice of gun (75mm, rather than the 76mm or 105mm). As you noted, the “Assault Tank” does not really have a US Army FM and was developed in part to satisfy British requirements (essentially, to supplement their infantry tank production). So wouldn’t it be likely that the decision to stick to the 75mm - aside from weight savings - was also driven by ammunition availability for the British Army? The Brits had 75mm tank ammo for many tanks by 1944, but they had no 105mm artillery and only a few tank units in Italy got the 76mm. I think this may be very similar to the case of the 76 Shermans which ended up with the Soviets. Because the US Army initially didn’t think they needed them, a lot of 76 Shermans went to Russia (50% of the Soviet total) and they went into action relatively early with the Red Army. Its a case of “rejected” (initially) American tank that ended up having another user. In this case, the Brits may have decided to cancel the order (or never really placed it; with Barnes not being fully transparent about its delayed development state), at which point the US found itself with 250 tanks that they ended up using for themselves. So the Jumbo may actually be a “British” tank, which they rejected and the Americans ended up using.
@thomasellysonting35544 жыл бұрын
chris younts like the T-14, its about supplementing British production numbers rather than being about any technical stat superiority. The Brits by and large preferred to use their own tanks, but they simply couldn’t produce enough reliable tanks so they were forced to use the Sherman.
@thomasbaker65632 жыл бұрын
The whole medium tank gun, heavy armour, low speed and good mobility across the countryside does sound like an infantry tank. Especially given that it was supposed to support the infantry. Is the t14 really an American pert to the Churchill's?
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.78604 жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting. I also like the Monty Python and the hold grail references ( foreground and background).
@ThroneOfBhaal3 жыл бұрын
That drawing is awesome! :D My 5 year old drew something very similar the other day, love it! :D
@doc70004 жыл бұрын
T14 reminds me of the Bradley.
@Rusty_Gold854 жыл бұрын
Going by the number of Panthers and Tigers stuck or bogged on the Western Front of Europe winter 44 , it probably would have problems too
@T4nkcommander3 жыл бұрын
I would think even the regular Shermans too, given the cats had better ground pressure than the Shermans did. The Allies observed the Panther able to cross muddy areas they got stuck in
@lostinpa-dadenduro75554 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I’ve been looking for detailed info.
@MaxSluiman4 жыл бұрын
Good video!
@canton71804 жыл бұрын
so overloading a medium tank in a environment (hedge rows) and mud was counter productive without offsetting ground pressure with wider track surface/ until later on*, negating advantages over German counter parts the m4 originally had which was agility, while still lacking the necessary upgrade of the main gun, then throw into the mix a self serving general acting upon his personal business interest pushing a tank that would never enter the theatre in effective numbers, there is always a compromise, a triangle, speed-armor-gun. The Chieftain is a detail monster, beyond adequately detail orientated.
@John-mq9fx4 жыл бұрын
OH, the E2 with 105mm is sooo much fun in the game. lol mini derping.
@korbell10894 жыл бұрын
Okay I am slow. I was watching this video but had to put it on pause while I took a call, when I came back I actually started looking at the video before I unpaused it and almost died laughing! On one side is an Abrams and the other side is a Bradley but in the center is the Black Knight!! You go Chieftain!
@franklinhadick28662 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thankyou.
@Pugiron4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Assault Gun: Big gun, light armor Assault Tank: Big Armor, Medium gun Heavy Tank: Big gun, Big Armor