That’s how it be in irl lore too lol

Or a librarian, or a apothecary, or a champion, or a tech-marine...

@@faity5649 or a scout marine for that matter

@@mistadangerzone8362or any other type of marine, dont disrespect any of them

Same thing in the real Military lol

When it comes from such haughty people as this one, I can get why they dont give a F.

​@@dwarfie24what on gods green earth is your comment even supposed to mean.

When it comes from​ people as haughty as this one, I can understand why they don't give a fuck.@@Cubert0331

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Cubert0331I think the first part is meant to say “when it comes”

​@@Cubert0331 My guess: When it comes from such haughty people as this one (the guard commander), I can see why they (the SM) don't give a fuck.

*phone vibration noises* "Your space marine is ringing"

Vibrating in such fury that he can phase through walls.

@@patrickiamonfire965 C'Tan: IMPOSSIBURU Grimaldus: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Someone gonna answer that?

REPEEEEEEEEENT!

Some chapters have fairly standard heraldry and then some chapters have literally no info on their rank structure so fuck anybody trying to sort that let alone a guardsmen who has never seen more then one or two chapters.

@@icecoldpolitics8890 most Guard Regiments, like 95-99% of them NEVER even see a single Space Marine, there are trillions of guardsmen and billions of regiments, and there’s only roughly 1000 Space Marine Chapters in the entire galaxy Seeing a Space Marine is like meeting a figure straight out of mythology for the vast majority of guardsmen, there are a few planets where the odds are significantly different, such as Cadia before its fall, but for the majority of Imperial worlds the Space Marines are just stories told by priests

@@3adgamd3r And even if you see one, you often don´t live to speak about it, as either the enemy or your allies via strategy or purging cause your death.

Theres about three of the 20 founders that have spawned a few orders that are "nice" does a general welcome and address anti air cannons that are ai ? No. You just let them protect you

​@3adgamd3r as a huge basketball fan I've always thought of it like NBA MVPs. There are tens of millions of basketball fans all over the world and only around 40-50 people have ever won the NBA MVP award. If you meet one, it's a once in a lifetime thing that you tell all your friends about.

The lowest ranking astarte is still hyper intelligent, as they have to caliculate battle plans on the fly, in the battle, sometimes thinking new strategies up with out knowing the full scope of the battle, in like 2 seconds. And they have to be ready for if the links in command go quiet.

​@@VA_Nightshadeyou would think so in the way they are hyped up. But theres nothing to See there in the Horus Heresy books

@@Hangman11 Horus Heresy mass production vs Post Heresy slow production.

@@Daktanglenah, it’s just that nobody at GW has any understanding of tactics beyond “shoot thing with big gun until it stops moving”

​@@PikachuLittle "What if we group up-" "AAND HIT IT 'TIL IT DIES"

Well It IS a chaplain

I disagree

It wasn’t intense, just frustrated at the entire debacle.

It's a chaplain, hes shitting his power breeches

Chaplains have no chill

Smart-Asstartes?

@@joshuablakeney2983 Smart Ass Tarts

Smartes

Smart ADD TARTARE SAUCE YOU NONCE

Missed opportunity

Him saying that would have his head vacated from his body

@@samuraibear5102but he would’ve been right.

@@icecoldpolitics8890 Yes, but I guess many people had that on their toombstone.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@icecoldpolitics8890 no, he wouldn’t, and even if it were true saying it still does not make him right

​@Desm0708 He absolutely wouldve been right. There are multiple instances of Space Marine friendly fire against the guardsmen

😅😂😂

Hugs guardsmen "no one will ever believe you"

If it's a Salamander it's capable to go "Don't call me 'Lord'. We are brave soldiers of the Emperor. I'm Amenus of the Burning Company. And you, guardsman?"

@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 errr my buddies call me tiny tim my lord errr I mean big green man

@@art-o-cart5166”absolutely… no one”

Menacing staring intensifies

"They forgot I'm him."

Why isn't the captain being addressed? The chapter master ror captain is usually the highest up in the hierarchy?

@@heywoodyablom captains are too valuable to lead every mission and chaplains are still fantastic leaders but technically not as high ranking

@@FrozenPyro06 thanks mate, I was split between thinking it was just disrespect and the captain not leading this mission personally.

Isn't that from Helsreach?

That sounds like Helsreach.

All those jokes I make about Astartes being beetles or some kind of bug kinda seem more accurate than they should now lol

​@@AdeptKing nah. Its in the nightlords ominbus when the nightlords are laughing at the corsairs while using their teminators as bullet shields

@@anthonywright2489 Nah, Helsreach is more of "They are speaking gossip because they would rather fight in the battle in space above than to wait here idling." The general knows they are speaking in private, not laughing at him.

I mean humanity is pretty similar to the Ork boyz. We assign importance by size as well. Guardsmen, Space Marine, Custodes, Primachs, then Big E. Each time the size increases.

All the practical, real-world applicable stuff in 40k comes from the mouths of Boyz.

thank you for that!

That boy must have been reading text in red ink.

These low intelligent mushrooms have no idea what they talking about. Size of the shoulder pads determine importance!

“Excuse me are you in charge?” “No it’s him over there” “Thanks” No more pointless drama

I feel only a few have the talknojutsu art within them, say maybe only Sanginius and maybe Ciaphas Cain.

Cain, a Primarch, the emperor and an inqusitor are the only true ends of command. No one argues with their command with out trying to be funny. Some note worthy people do pop up who come close, but fall short like Lord Admiral Spire.

For clarity: I was listening to "The Fall of Cadia" when I made this comment. I still stand by what I said.

@@capadociaash8003 Traitor Marine at the siege of Terra: ”Are you in charge?” Perturabo: “No, I’m not. I should be. Everyone knows I should be. The loyalists are lucky I’m not. But I’m not. Talk to Horus if he lets you, I’m leaving.” Fulgrim: “Why would I care about that? Wanna bang?” Angron “AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” Alpharius: “Yes? No? Maybe? I think I’m supposed to be dead.” Magnus: “I’m just here because I have to be. This is dumb.” Mortarion: “Nah, Horus is, now get in formation, we have to walk slowly towards this heavily defended gun emplacement.” Lorgar: “I’m supposed to be! The gods chose ME *sobs like a baby* Horus: “Yes, obviously. Now, bow before my greatness, grovel at my feet. I am the rightful ruler of mankind and my glory shall eclipse all!” Erebus: “I’ve been in charge the whole time.”

It's got the same kind of energy of "Is this your child?"

Nice way of telling someone off I guess.

I found it rather respectful really... why is saying "with all due respects" bad in that case? The astartes was simply confused why the lord general talked to him, the sergeant

​@@durianten2353 This is extremely long, but formatted for easy reading. You just need to read the first 2 paragraphs, I promise. The rest of it is legit me covering my bases from trolls. I personally didn't interpret it as confusion; I took it as a show of many astartes' lack of respect of mortals. However, maybe I did interpret it wrong. He did say "...With all due respect," however I stand by this: A true show of respect would be removing your helmet, greeting the general, and then sharing intel/logistical information. Actions speak louder than words, and the Space Marines' actions felt more like a semi-veiled threat to the general. I thought of this as them thinking "We are better than you," basically. I'm ignorant to the rest of the story, so naturally of course I am open to being wrong. (You can stop reading the reply here and it'd be perfectly fine. The rest is meant for people who've been 40K fans for over a decade.) I am a new fan of 40K (4 years or so.) I don't like grimdark as a story trope at all. And I'm going to say it: 40K is NOT grimdark anymore, of course it used to have in prior editions. I firmly believe that after the Great Rift opened, 40K was no longer a grimdark setting. Personally, I do not find 40K a compelling setting if it's just parody and depression. However with G-Man and The Lion back, there is that small sliver of light. I firmly believe that the reason 40K exploded over the last few years is directly due to removing the pure grimdarkness. I'm getting this out of the way now: No, I don't love Ultramarines; I find them generic and pretty boring. But that is not a bad thing. I love the Salamanders, specifically because they try to stay connected to humanity. The scene in Pariah Nexus of the Salamander removing his helmet to comfort everyone is truly moving to me. Here's the reason I added all this explanation: I dislike the Black Templars. A lot. It's because of their selfish zealotry. This isn't saying "BT are evil," I'm not saying they need re-writting. I'm simply trying to give perspective on what makes 40K appealing to me. And having "good guys" to dislike adds a level of nuance, and that naturally makes stories better. (I genuinely wrote all of that purely because I am in no mood for trolls/old school snobby fans.) I love it when Space Marines remember that they're meant to lift humanity up; rather than taking it's place. (And I am talking about in warzones too.) If this was just an example of Space Marines being on the spectrum and a more comedic moment, that's cool, and I will concede to being a bit harsh. A misunderstanding/awkwardness is okay. That being said, I took this as the textbook "Astartes > Humans" arrogance that some chapters have.

@@XXMatt0040XX ahh your explanation makes it so much clearer to me. The comparison to the salamanders taking a helmet off in pariah nexus to this scene whos a night and day difference in regards to the amount of respect given. Thanks for giving your time to explain my silly question!

They forget why they fight... 🤦‍♂️

"Bulk of the fighting" aka cannon fodder

@@ghost1591 Nah. A thousand Astarte is still a thousand. A great asset, great shock troops, but they can't be everywhere. A planet is very big for that. It's a shared effort.

@@ghost1591 My dude, half the loyal space marines in cadia were doing random bullshit disconnected from the planets actual defence. Black templars literally spent ages defending a random fucking church for example. The "canon fodder" did the actual holding back against chaos forces (and this is not unusual, guardsmen on many occasions have had to defeat chaos forces/warbands with traitor space marines on their own).

@@SeaBass215AM This. They're meant to lift humans up when needed; not to override and replace them. They're meant to inspire hope and morale, not cripple logistics.

If anyone treated them that way they would quickly lose their marine support, lol

@@royce9018Fuck dem marines, better get more battalions of guardsmen. After all entire Imperium is primarily held together by baseline humans, not some genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues.

@@royce9018Depends heavily on the individual Chapter and which Legion they hail from. I feel like Manus’ sons wouldn’t care much. They’d see themselves as weapons rather than warriors or even soldiers, same with a few Imperial Fist and Raven Guard successors. But the more pompous and warrior like marines(Space Wolves, White Scars, Blood Angels and Ultramarines) would be disrespected by the idea of being treated like just another Combat-Asset by a Mortal Commander. Though some of them would continue fighting irrespective of how they’re treated.

@@Tyrion-Syndications I feel like the Ultramarines wouldn't care much either. Not so much because of a lack of arrogance but by how much they're integrated with their pdf.

@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine For a second I couldn’t figure out if you meant pdf like adobe or pdf like defense force.

Yup. They should just send a pdf stating stuff like that before going on the campaign. This level of disorder is just goddamn stupid.

If in doubt, use ork logic. The flashiest git is clearly the one in charge.

@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 the dude here tried and failed, ork logic is for da boyz only

​@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 or just old, or bored, or just into flashy bitz At least with Codex compliant ones, you'd be able to find the ranking officers who could at least begin pointing you to who's in charge.

It's like having an imperial noble try and figure out who is in charge in the Catachan regiment.

They’d die valiantly might even kill a space marine lol.

@@chrisspink8873 replace might with will, as even Horus had problems against slightly argumented ogryns during HH

@@chrisspink8873 Ogryns are strong enough to rip-off heads from Chaos Space Marines with ease. Not to mention being so stupid they won't realize they are dead and fight on regardless until somebody points it out to them. They got this.

@@chrisspink8873Those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues are gonna get bodied by good ol’ ogryns who have superior strength and numbers

@@CommanderBohn feel like they are too slow. Atleast in the books where I’ve seen them take on space marines. They have to get lucky in grabbing them.

Chad Grimuldas

Grimmy is a top lad.

Except if you complain that you were incorrectly marked as dead and no longer are receiving paychecks. Then he might let you live as repayment, if he’s in a patient mood. Or else he might just “fix” the issue in the record..

To be fair they are still sons of Dorn, so them being Callous is not surprising and in that same story where Pedro kantor is being compationate half of his remaining Astartes really weren't, voicing that they should leave mother and her children because it would just slow them down

The general having a thrill that he could command Astartes undermines your point.

​@@JSmith99like they would know that they are space marines they have no social skills and they are sons of rogal hence they have the social skills worse than a rock

PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! 🎉

​@JSmith99 But the thing is... He should be able. Space marines can fuck up an entire campaign because they don't want to coordinate their actions with the other troops. Hell, these dimwits even sabotage their own allies' effort... On top of that, high-ranking officers of the Imperial guard are the ones with actual knowledge of their theater, as they can fight on the same planet for 15 years or more.

Preach it, brother! (Although don't, because the Imperial Truth forbids that) Powerful are the Astartes. Emotionally mature they are not.

POV: You see your Lord General from a distance becoming a pile of broken meat, and you are horrified.

@@NovantisGrimwal Astartes had gone rogue, as expected, well melta and tanks go brrr...

@@TheArklyte He was right in the end. Oh well. Anyway, send out a distress signal to the Red Talons and hold the position.

@@TheArklyte yeah, everything goes brr... Until there no more guardsmen to pull the triggers. And marines will probably be send to penitent crusade. If you think that, firstly, guardsmen will willingly attack allied SMs, literally His Angels of Death, without them being declared traitor by official Imperial authority and, secondly, somehow win in a fight with marines that are literally in an arm's length from them proves that you need to read some codexes and re-evaluate the power disparity levels.

*must have

They were in the same book and shared most of their stuff in the 1st edition, the Squats were in there as well

Like the Marines Malevolent?

​@@randalftheblack2572 or the Angry Marines 😂

​@@guyver441 The former would pop a bolt in his ass. The latter would be more likely to use him as a snowboard.

@@guyver441those don’t exist, dead meme is dead

​@@BoatmayneThaUnsinkable they're still most fun

Lmao

When Orkz have a more coherent and functional chain of command than you, someone has messed up bigly

​@@PikachuLittle like tbh why I can't get into being part of the imperium just gets boring how bad they treat their own troops like how are there even humans left most are killing each other, AND THERE ON THE SAME TEAM

Thank idiot Guilliman for turning 9 legions into hundreds of chapters.

Depends on the chapter, who you are, and if your name is Yarrick.

Why would they do that? a good number of space marines think of normal humans as lesser beings literally inferior and worthless meat shields so that they can do their jobs. It’s not right but it’s the truth many astartes see regular humans the same way Eldar do.

Blame the writers who want the astartes to be both super machismo badass warriors who are better than you while simultaneously being immature brats. And then blame the fans who don’t understand the irony of that.

​@@CuriousLumenwoodthey are better your just coping

That’s why my homebrew Chapters typically will fight alongside a guardsmen regiment or several.

The thing is, most space marine chapters are "holier than thou", unless you're talking to an ultramarine or a salamander, I really wouldn't expect any respect from them. Heck, they're literally hailed as grandchildren of the God Emperor. I think one mistake the general made was that he was speaking to them in a tone as if they were children. From the way it sounds as well, he's not supposed to be the one in charge, he's simply in a collaborative effort. They're not his men, he shouldn't be acting as if he has authority over them. Instead of not backing down, and saying "I'm addressing you, because you look to be the one in charge" in a condescending tone, he should've just started with "who is to be addressed" to begin with. In a collaborative effort, you don't gain respect of a separate chain of command, by slinging more disrespect.

​@@citizenvulpes4562 just because you are from another branch of the military doesn't mean your rank doesn't command respect. You don't get to piss on an admiral's shoes just cause you're a soldier and not a sailor. He is a general for pete's sake. As far as one's concerned, the common Marines are just suped up soldiers, not officers.

@australianword3812 The problem with that comparison is that Astartes aren’t “just another branch”, they’re near-literally the “angels” of your religion. Even the lowliest among them can take out multiple ppl with both hands tied behind their back. It should be almost like speaking with an Inquisitor: they’re outside & above your chain of command, treat them like the demigods they are.

if they are from the emperor malevolent then yes and also the general would be shot on spot for yapping too much XD

Which Chapter was it at the Siege of Vraks, who were asked to take control of the spaceport, but just set charges and leveled it instead, because f%&k it. Then when talking to the astonished guard commander said basically "There, we helped", and then left, lol!

@@jasonwright8546 not sure about that, i rarely keep up with table top and codex lore, i dont count it as canon personally.

@@jasonwright8546 Might have been the Dark Angels? They I think took part in the first Astartes action on Vraks from what I recall which involved securing the main bridge over the large chasm and I think assaulting the space port but was also a disaster at the end as they unexpectedly encountered the Alpha Legion which badly cut up their assault force right at the finish line at which point they fucked off and left, leaving the guard to clean up the mess but also provoking a massive response from the Imperium.

@@Lost7one I believe I heard it in Arch's Vraks series, but I don't know what he sourced that from.

Angel of absolution I think, successor of dark angel, then after that it's red scorpion (which does their job of securing the breach) then after that gray knight together with red hunter joined​@@jasonwright8546

Mind to tell me which video it is?

So that's who they are and why they didn't take the general's head off.

So instead of immediately stating their mission and pointing the general to the guy in charge they waste valuable time being a group of sarcastic assholes. Sounds about right

​@@PikachuLittle 100%

Imagine how many objectives in war were lost because the Astartes decided to fuck off to do a mini-quest. Must be an annoying blessing to have space marines operating in the theater

Blood Angels are usually pretty friendly, Space Wolves once nearly threw down against the Inquisition to protect civilians. Lamenters are famous for constantly doing the right thing and then getting dunked on by the universe.

I wonder if there were any moments when baseline humans just snap and light those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues up

Astartes, just like the Imperium as a whole, aren't the good guys. You're not supposed to like them, or any other faction for that matter.

@@justwannabehappy6735 i mean you can at least respect the guard

For example, Black Templars would stand guard on temples in the middle of nowhere that had ZERO strategic value.

​@@falkyrie5228And Dark angels would just fuck off to the middle of nowhere with no prior warning. Although I imagine he's never worked with the first founding chapters or lamenters before?

You mean ALL of the value due to their reverence to our God-Emperor, dont you? DONT. YOU.?​@@falkyrie5228

that response could either make you explode in blood, dissapear mysterously or gets respected by the entire chapter

-dark angels take you in for “questioning” so they can figure out why you thought taking that tack was a good idea -you don’t have this problem with the white scars, and they accept your nicknames based on their armour adornment, such as “three-tyrants” and “sslythshoulders” -space wolfs laugh at you but your name will make it into a song later -imperial fists sit you down and explain -blood angels blush under their helmets and fantasise about you pegging them -iron hands are nonplussed, so long as your orders and tactical calls are effective -ultramarines let you off with a warning. Once. -Salamanders comment on your admirable courage, but bid that you save your defiance for the foe -Raven guard make your death look accidental

Can you please explain the blood angels one?

What is with the blood angels one

Imperial Fist: “Okay let me break it down for you.” *Break dances.* “Got it?”

Maybe not if it's Blood Angels or Space Wolves...

If its salamanders the commander is the 1 wearing the most fire

For real. Fuck these stuck up ass space marines.

This was the general's fault, if anything they should reprimand him.

@@marmyeaterthat’s not how military rank works. The inferior rank always acquiesces to the superior one unless there’s a doctrinal or legal reason not to and even then a certain tone of respect and submission is expected. The Astarte should how told him respectfully that he was not in commands of his detachment and then offers to direct or escort the general to the one who was. They’re the ones who acted out of line.

@@Tinnitus1445 I have three counterpoints. 1: That is not how life works. Something Warhammer is actually pretty good with considering them showing Astartes killing people for disrespect sometimes (something no living creature likes). 2: General Windbag was doing this while their CO was right there and they were already acting under his orders to look for their missing scouts. (As a side note: these are Crimson Fists, and normally work alongside the Wall of Guns pretty well.) 3: That's not how the military in 30/40k has ever worked. The different branches have almost never tolerated disrespect, and Astartes in particular have never truly cared about any reprimand save those given to them by their primarch, the Emperor, and the times when what they were reprimanded for doing things that directly contradict what their primarch or the Emperor have taught/told them (and that is generally the order they care about those in). So, unless Dorn and the Emperor are suddenly against Astartes being rude when disrespected, and Roboute and Lion are all for it AND interfering in how individual chapters that aren't their gene-sons behave on a fundamental level, the odds of them wanting to do, trying to do, or managing to do anything meaningful are between zero and none.

@@marmyeater that’s probably why they have a reputation for being unreliable on the strategic level and going off to do whatever they want instead of acquiescing to the big picture. A powerful asset when they want to and a vain distraction when they don’t. Their level of independence to the Astro Militarum doesn’t serve very well. Ideally they should be folded into it as an SF force and not a separate entity entirely. A general should not have to walk on eggshells around the troops he has bigger things to worry about than offending them.

It was the Astartes that built the Imperium, without them it would have been impossible.

@gaz9957 It was the thunder warriors who united Terra, and look what happened to them

@@mcarrowtime7095 The thunder warriors were a patchwork solution to an urgent problem. The astartes were designed with longevity in mind

@@gaz9957 its thinking like that which lead to horus heresy. the astartes do not and will not ever lead the Imperium.

@@cybronikai1957 and yet they were still necessary for the imperium to form, like the Astartes, and more disposable than the guard, much like the Astartes

How would a normal human differentiate Artificer armor from regular power armor. Moreover there are a ton of veteran sergeants that wear relic armor. And now with the Era Indomitus, you might see mixed forces of first born and Primaris marines wearing 6 or 7 different marks and patterns of armor. Differentiating between them all as a normal human who might have never seen a space marine before would be *extremely* difficult.

Reminds me of The Trials of Azrael, where he tells Kharn the Betrayer he's the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels. Kharn's reply? "Of course, that ridiculous helmet should have given you away."

The best way to know who is in charge in a sm chapter is usualy the one that don't where a helmet in battle.

@@Begbras That's just what Space Furries would like you to think.

​@@redcap1923Also funny when you remember that Kharn has a very fancy helmet as well!!!🤣🤣🤣

Random Guardsman: “you know he could kill you right?” General: “At this point it’s become a game. He knows if he kills me, he loses”

​@@PikachuLittlethe Marines in the video were crimson fists. Second founding, and damn near beyond reproach. The marine is not going to lose if he kills the guardsman

This is the problem with snippets. The enitre short story makes more sense. The fists arrive and prevent the guard from being over run. The generals men rejoice but the general points out that the astartes will keep to their own mission. The Crimson Fists depart to save some scouts burried the rubble and prepare to leave. The guard finally about to be over run are reinforced when the marines return. There's a running theme on the choice between fighting to save them and preserving the crimson fists. Of course the faction cultists will instantly scream and cry about how there favorites were bullied.

@@Cabooseforprez2012 i am so tired of people overvaluing Imperial Guard. No shit, without them Imperium would fall. But don't paint them as someone who is solely responsible for that. There are heroes in the Guard, sure. But it's extremely rare, and whole battalions could be executed for cowardice. There are great regiments, like Cadians, Kriegers, Catachans and many others, but of the Guard are not very good. They are barely functional.

@@user-nx8bd8mk9xand yet they’re vastly more useful that Space Marines in 99% of circumstances. It’s just that 98% of those stories aren’t interesting enough to warrant telling

​@@PikachuLittle The only reason they're as "useful" as you say is the fact they are sent in droves to drown the enemy in corpses. And that doesn't put a dent in the Imperium at large. Kriegers are known to do suicide chargers if it means they will accomplish something relevant. They don't care how many will die. Remember the Space Marines and Solar Auxiliaria were the true bulk of the Great Crusade, not your overrated an glazed Guardsmen.

I too violently orgasm when encountering flashy armor