ASUS' marketing team is clearly in isolated damage control mode and isn't talking to the engineering team. So much of the responses are canned double speak.

More like marketing frustrated and engineering justifying

@@johnknightiii1351 More like, no more review samples! :(

I hope they keep this up. It makes a difference!

Hardware Unboxed: The product sucks and could be improved Asus: Reeeeeeeeee Hardware Unboxed: *dremmels the chassis* Asus: *sub to get the next episode on Hardware Unboxed and find out how Asus responds*

I second this

It was nice of Hardware Unboxed to give Jarrod's Tech TWO of these laptops to test.

It was nice of them to “optimize for real world scenarios” by installing a poor screen. For content creators give them poor color performance. For gamers give them a panel with bad motion blur. At least they have that Mil-Spec since that is my number one concern. Wait, if it was wouldn’t I buy an LG Gram or a Dell Latitude 14 Rugged Extreme?

@@zerosystem8743 It's just marketing crap because the TUF name was used on stuff like the old Sabertooth boards, which were actually built really well. These days, the TUF brand is reduced to just one designed for entry-level "gaming" gear and while there are some decent options, there are also plenty of mediocre junk with "military spec engineering" marketing plastered all over.

D13H4RD2L1V3 Yep, just like how things are labeled as “Tactical”. It’s like look guys; tactical knives, tactical sunglasses, tactical bacon, and tactical baby gear.

Underated comment😂

@Harsh Kumar you have no idea how many kids I chased around with a stick when I was in school :))

@Harsh Kumar 😅😅

Ur surname means milk in my country

@@user-uq3um5nq7d that's a new one :))

Hope they've made some more improvements since then. (I remember when the Gateway FX laptops (like the P-171X FX) came out and they had Serious heat problems. Was a real pain in the ass. Have always worried about heating issues since then (...and SSD drives are Very susceptible to heat).

They were mad to think people buying a gaming laptop would prefer a pretty bottom over good airflow..

this is a battle of credibility. both can't really afford to lose.

Same

So many channels be like: "I wanted to do a review but they never sent a review unit 😭" lol

Same... but he didn't lose $2000.00. He still has a laptop that he can use or sell... and it's only the one part that's replaceable. I'm sure he's gonna have warranty problems with it... but he don't seem like the kind of guy that sends his computers to be fixed for him.... and I think (and hope) he made enough money off the video to justify it all.

lol yeah. probable the same people

And what's shocking none of the others manufactures had that issue and they *followed* the same guidelines that AMD gave them.

TBH I understood this since 2017 when Ryzen line ups being introduced for the first time. Never buy any AMD or Radeon related products if it is assembled by Asus. It's been 3 years and my stereotype of Asus is still true. Guess Asus is biased to Intel when making perfect Hardware solution. Asus only want money so they just making products that people are looking for, with half assed quality. While other brands never being Biased towards Intel or AMD in terms of quality.

Or, the 5700xt that didn't have proper cooling due to a garbage heat sink design?

@@Elc22 no, Asus designed ALL 5000 series Radeon Cards wrong 5500, 5600, 5700 non-XT and XT. Wrong Voltage and Wattage value and controller, Wrong amount of electrical components on the Card's PCB design (some are too thick or too thin) so the amount of Electricity flowing through the Card is wrong straight from the Factory and cannot be solved by Bios flash or Bios update

Haha underrated

Lmao

they design to be infior...

Buahahaha

Like DOOM guy making a big hole in mars surface haha

Asus been slacking recently

I concur.

@@GewelReal That's what focusing your marketing on a bunch of brand name fanatics does to a company (Republic of Gamers club).

and apple with the shitty cooling design on the macbook air

Gewel ✔ but zephyrus

That would be the shit. I'll be seeing myself out.

Hmmm. Harbour unboxed is pretty good too

You should make on and collaborate with noctua on it to get the best browness for your hard Box with best out of the Box thermals.

So a wooden box?

It could be a plain brown cardboard box weathering blows from a hammer and an anchor

CPUs are designed to throttle and they don't get damaged even when played at high temperatures for long. But other components will be damaged if overheated

​@@shrujanamsyama9940 CPU's are designed to thermal throttle for the same reason cars have a rev-limiter: because if you go any higher, you'll break something. Possibly hitting the limiter from time to time when you're working it hard is what it's designed for. Running the machine bouncing off the limiter non-stop is not what it's designed for. Besides, if you're thermal throttled, the CPU is underclocking. You may as well have just put in a smaller CPU at that point. because a 2.6ghz cpu running at 2.6 is better than a 2.9ghz cpu that's thermal throttled back to 2.3! This FAQ from Intel: www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005597/processors.html "The goal for a system builder or a do-it-yourself (DIY) end user is to design a platform configuration that keeps the processor under the Tjunction max threshold during heavy workloads to maximize performance of the system"

I remember reading somewhere that the reason why the temps are so high up is due to some feature amd added to their laptops, which can be switched off. It was called virtual super sampling to something. The individual said it went down from 100+c to below 80. I can’t verify the claims, but if that is true, then should I buy this laptop? Also yeah, you’re right, i rather have a laptop that functions normally at 2.6ghz instead of one with a cpu that can potentially go up to 2.9ghz, but is only at 2.3ghz because its power has been reduced due to too much heat.

@@foxgaming76yt24 sadly, because specs and dimensions are all people care about, it's getting harder and harder to find one that DOESNT do this... Best way around it is to get a lower wattage CPU. If a laptop has R7 and R5 options, chances are the R5 one is rocking the same cooling solution as was used on the R7 model... Just have to see if you can fine one with the ram, SSD and GPU spec you want with the lower processor

@@shrujanamsyama9940 what other components are you talking about?

I'd punch a hole in the wall reading this comment if I worked for Asus 😂

He is Honest like TUF that's really wonderful 🤩

A15 year old would have agreed to what he said!

where is that VRM is that R15 modules?

Ba dum tsssss. . .

This comment needs more thumbs up, lol

Heat pipes cost 5$ ! 🤕🤒

@@rahuldogra Way less than that lol. Trust me if it was that much they would be justified in not using them! (multiply by number of that model made. There's your answer why, heh)

@@rahuldogra Not necessarily the space for more heatpipes to cool the VRMs.

I really think this was an actual discussion in Asus. :v

They should sell that on ebay or something

I was just going to mount some standoffs and point a fan at the base

after dealing with my boss' macbook 16" with thermal issues, this is the same thing all over again. With an aluminum base and some thermal pads, you could cool this laptop down ALOT. I mean really... who games on their lap?

3D print might melt

I'm also waiting for custom base for this laptop.

some just don't take criticism very well... they want gold medals even if the products are shite (Intel and Nvidia are the same way) if you don't do good reviews they dump you instead of fixing the issues

@@LiLBitsDK Screw them, I will always stick with who I can TRUST. Channels like this help stop ASUS and the like, from RIPPING OFF THE CONSUMER

I remember posted his video on Asus TUF facebook post. I guess they saw it lol

Asus just lying on "the first laptop with new AMD CPU" so they can said like "our stuffs are cheap and strong so those mistakes can be passed" while literally they can just keep the old FX505 version with 3 exhaust sinks and 5 heat pipes :V

I think that the "other" Steve might take issue now that you have more options for a "disappointment of the year" video.

Gamers Unboxed Hardware Nexus

Plus the making Asus angry part lol

Agreed. Asus will be better in the next year. Across the board they have made some very poor thermal decisions lately. Will be good to see their products really improve as a result of these guys picking their choices apart.

I recognize through the time that ANY Asus notebook sucks at airflow. Either it just sucks from the beginning, or vaccum in the cooling tubes will dissapear after about 2 years

it seems that this was a manufacturing mishap as it seems the GTX 1650 version of the laptop does not have the problematic heatsink beside it... It feels like they made the laptop with the 1650 in mind and then just modified it to the 1660 for those who wanted the little bit of extra power.... as a result the design doesn't handle the extra thermal load all that well. Obviously, ASUS is not gonna tell that because: 1. They're trying to sell a product here. 2. Theyre not going to reveal business practices which are confidencial.

Maybe because the included ssd does better near the heatpipes than third party ssd(s) which a customer might want to add in the future.

Other tech channel don't know jack how a computer works

Thank you for providing the pictures in this vid!

Dude..u r everywhere..

@@uddeshyasingh9789 he loves any laptop reviews, mate :D

You are here

Here's a testimony, bought a ASUS FX505DU laptop recently. AMD Ryzen 7 3750H (which isn't upgradable, because they were lazy to allow this option, to save a buck and make my life miserable) and Nvidia 1660 Ti. The laptop spins its double fans like little jet engines when running any sort of a modern game and cannot be held on the desk any longer. That's how good their "specific" designs are. Never getting Asus again, needless to say. :) EDIT: Wasn't trying to rag on them, or troll anyone: it's the simple truth, meh.

their reply is typical marketing buzz words

@@kasmidjan the person replying might not probably the engineer who designs them which is a normal thing i guess

idk what is going on @ASUS. They continue to destroy their premium brand reputation by releasing such garbage products and then they wonder why fewer people buy their products

True i think the fx505dy is the last asus im using..consider getting an Acer or Lenovo after this

@@LuqmanHM the person who designed it wasn't an engineer either

@@icedoutshef ditto

Depends on the quality and efficiency of the VRMs used. Lower would mean more heat is generated while higher means less. Since this is the TUF line, it would naturally have cheaper VRMs than a ROG laptop. While CPU power consumption does play a key role, the power config set is only about 45w which is average and there are many other devices that handle a 45w chip better, be it Intel or AMD.

That vrm should not run that hot in the first place

and they could spend 20$ and make a heatpipe or heatsink for VRM

@@icedoutshef yes your are right

Just because they hold an engineering degree doesn't mean they are smart.

@@Lewis360 What do you call engineers who graduated last in their class? Engineers.

@@Lewis360 Tim has his Masters of engineering so I agree.

@@gamingunboxed5130 Oof, that burn.

This is because the purpose of the right m2 slot is to butcher the battery capacity. You can't have battery life in the budget products. Also, cooling and display. There is ROG series for that.

Try again

TUF = Throttles under Furmark

@@StephenDeTomasi better

Throttles Under Fire ? :D heheheh

TUF = Truly Uniquely Fucked

No. They won't. Because, if they hire this guy, then the thermals of their budget laptops would increase and more people would prefer these budget laptops and sales of their premium products will decrease

I call those "excuses"!

they just PR their product and dont want to answer. Those reply is nonsense

What is PR

Ayrton Arias public relations I think, It’s to improve the reputation of a company to gain the trust of more consumers and in turn sell more products

It really is incredibly frustrating when they can't just be honest. Because it's cheaper, obviously.

they are good at that its good propaganda

What a great opportunity for me to place my b450m gaming mb here to pair with that oven

This video is just beyond stupid. He didnt even think about that not everybody puts notebook just on flat table? If you put on uneven surface or in bed or on yourself its immediately choked. It just suck dust and garbage from whatever surface you put it on. Whoa! what an amazing idea! The grills as he cut it would most likely break as soon as someone grabbed the notebook and put finger over it. Not to mention that everybody likes to have fan blowing over them when they have laptop on lap. Or that everybody for sure likes to have glowing hot heatsinks in their lap for hours. I dont know if they ran out of content or what happened here really. The insulation on bottom is on most laptops for a reason and that is to dont burn you from direct contact with 100C chip/heatsink. I hope everybody likes to put hot heatsinks directly on them, just wtf sure there is no direct airfrow from bottom, if there was your leg your skin would be few mm from those heatsinks and you would get burned after few minutes. Good channel really but this was really low. Very similar to Gamers nexus case reviews that almost always end up with conclusion that best peformance is achieved when you remove all dust filters and drill holes to all panels. You just have to clean your pc from dust every week or do it like them, dump the case after few days of testing and never use it again.

@@eth_saver Yeah

My son has that computer FX505 with GTX1650 and Ryzen 5 3550H. He is very happy with and the performance of it seems about identical to my other son's Asus Strix Rog with about similar specs. Its a fine machine. I do not know how much of the ruggedness claim Asus makes with the TUF series is actually valid. These machines are no Panasonic Toughbooks. They seem to be built well, and the thicker plastic must protect them a bit, but they are such expensive machines anyhow that the YT reviewers will not subject them and their counterparts to "lets drop from 50 cm and again at 1m" abuse to see what the real differences are. And what are the real dangers anyhow, is it drops or is it water from condensation or rain or is it sand or dust. That changes from person to person, but I from what I see these machines really have no protection against the dangers beyond small bumps.

I still have a G74Sx that is still running after 9 odd years.. But I was after an upgrade and so bought the ASUS TUF FX505DV the Ryzen 7 with the 2060 RTX and I'm very happy with it and its max temps in turbo mode stay around 82 degree and in silent mode around the low 40s which is acceptable to me.. I love it

@@mrbrad4637 hey , what's it like when it comes to noise at these high temperatures of 80-90 ?

@@mateuszpilski5524 It's pretty loud I'll admit that. Very loud even.. much louder than the G74SX, I usually have the game volume up high enough or headphones in so it doesn't bother me much, infact you get use to the noise and tune out from it - its only noisey when running a modern game, in Windows and office its dead silent with no fan spin at all.

@@mrbrad4637 thanks for that info , i assumed that this was the case , I think for high performance modern gaming , you will just need a PC, at the end of the day low budget laptops are just laptops on steroids , and the high end are spaceships 🤣 l don't want to nudge you too much more , but do you use it for video and photo editing by any chance? If so , what's the noise like when using that kind of software...

Yeah best to insulate the Ryzen 4000 CPUs from the rest of the PC to keep other components cool. Like spray insulating foam around the CPU.

Kurt U series yes

I use an Asus Zenbook Pro that doesn’t even have visible intake vents on underside. With a i7 7700HQ and a GTX 1050 it just takes time before it thermal throttles without using it...

@@jelledekort5786 thats bad @@ mine Duo dont get throttled even after 6 hours using nonstop @@

"We need to save power somehow. Oh, I know! Throttle the clocks down with overheating!"

ASUS made a balanced laptop, that does one thing, it makes the balance sheet better. They could've added cooling for the VRM's but that costs more money, they could've used a better screen but that costs money.

@@imo098765 Loosing sales because of poor reviews also costs money. Hopefully companies start to learn that good reviews from trusted reviewers matter a lot.

@@imo098765 I would be willing to pay 100 $ more for better thermals... and copper is not that expansive. It is just a poor design. I wanted to buy A15, but I decided on another laptop. And I am definitely not the only one. The decided to cheapen out and are losing money because of it.

@@imo098765 it costs 5$-10$, just look at the price of CPU coolers, you can get a full tower cooler with a fan for 30$-40$

@@katech6020 per unit. It adds up more than a few sales lost. Otherwise they wouldnt make it this way

"Harbour unboxed", is that an insider?

@MzNToS Also Hammer on Box, Hard Wrong Box and the most recent one, Hard Brown-Box.

Harbour Unboxed: HOLD MY DREMEL TOOL!! ...oooo errrr Missus

Thanks!

ben shapiro reference

We should use the Dremel tool directly on them...

Fact don't care about your feelings

L😷L

Lol

Or you clean them occasionally? I know that's crazy talk, I do that sometimes.

Have you ever heard Planned Obsolescence? Almost every product made with a mind that "this product shouldn't last too long, make it worse so they need to buy/repair faster".

To be fair, maybe it was solitaire at 8k 144fps /s

My OLED tv has such a response time....

My phone had that response time, if not worse :(

If you think that's bad wait until you hear about the g14

10ms less won't make you a better gamer

Aman Goyal i bet you are one of the people who said 60hz and 144hz difference dont matter in gaming

Shouldn'd

This laptop can be configured with an intel processor so no.

@@siZeDcuBe so what, people are too ignorant to buy amd, they think it still sucks

the 4800h is this laptop can beat the 4900hs in the g14 what are you talking about?

😂😂😂😂💯

That's absolutely right

they could spend 20$ and make a better cooling design, they are just cheaping out

Ugh, this is what I tried to say in an overly verbose comment! Well said :)

Well its a bit more nuanced than that... they probably made any 'early on' decision to not bother with heatsink to include the cpu vrm. Due to it being for a lower tdp more effecient AMD 7nm cpu.... Then found out at a later time that it was inadequate. And could not change the heatsink assembly by that point because it was too late during mfr. At least not without raising the costs for the product. Which the product manager would have been under some pressure to keep costs under control. So then the PM turns to the engineers and says 'find some other way to solve this'. And it comes at the bigger picture cost 'not on the books', for damaging the company's reputation and image. So this whole thing is institutionalized into their product development and management / corporate culture. Just dont buy ASUS, they - should not be rewarded for this kinds of behaviour. Your hard earned money should go to other companies who give more honest responses. And not repeat canned responses going through the legal dept.

they can install a passive heatsink on the VRM's for less than $1...

tech jesus with a drill

Keep in mind this design is now 2 years old -- this is the FX505 series rebadged

You would think a team of engineers lol but not the case. Or they really trying to make AMD look bad? Can see any other explanation.

Asus engineers are very smart. They remove one exhaust hole, cut out heat pipes and place the vent away from the fan compare to last year and still thinking that they have "improved" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@@mhamma6560 except, it's worse than FX505. My FX505D doesn't overheat, but it's loud, and i don't care, as long it's not overheating.

DO IT!!!

Lennie Godber Its awesome! Loved those kind of toys as a kid. Some of them can lift a few kilos, which is not bad actually considering.

Beat me to it, very nice

I see junk and clutter

@@gaurd3 found the Asus rep

It's the LEGO 42082

their entire z390 line was trash with low vrm phases and they claimed they were fine and purposefully engineered with 8 phases compared to competing brands 12-16 phases for equivalent line boards while asus' boards were priced 25-100 bux more for equivalents

I feel the exact same way, ASUS product stack is very inconsistent with thermal performance. I own an ASUS X570-F Gaming and it is excellent, but I would never have purchased their older Ryzen MBs with the reported terrible VRM performance (such as their B450 MBs). Their x5700 Tuff GPU was also a train wreck. ASUS really needs to take Tim's conclusions and his advice seriously in my opinion, I am highly disappointed with their reply to him.

tuf used to be rog level quality without the flashiness and more focus on cooling and longevity, they were cool products, now its another low end pece of shit

Remember the old TUF Sabertooth? That was a legitimately good product... Welcome to butchering a once good brand for the sake of market segmentation

Once upon a time Asus TUF used to be pretty much the same as ROG without all the 14 year old "look at me" RGB like nonsense. Asus has pretty much downgraded their TUF branding to cheapo "value" brand. Itseems however they forgot to downgrade the price as well..

The problem has been fixed, all of the newer models have better cooling

The MacBook Pro already has fan vents on the side and there are channels to guide the air from there to the fan. The Macbook AIR on the other hand, that's a different story…

@@RaXXha I own a MBP 16". It get mad hot beneath and it could use more cooling.

@@RaXXha Wireless CPU cooling is always good

For macbook pro you need cooling dongle

@@RaXXha it doesn't even have a fan on its CPU no heat piping either. The fan is on the other side of the laptop for emotional support.

This comment need more thumps up

The sad part is that it could've been even better, but they decided not to.

@@yottaXT this could have been a GOLDEN laptop. As a video editor, the 144hz screen could have gone with a lower Hertz and better color gamut. This simple hack here is amazing.

More like: "Why is there a heatsink right next to the SSD and not used to cool down the ssd?"

If only ASUS hired a dude in his garage with a dremel.

Well when u make product. U not just put all in the spec performance. Literally if asus deed make it far better. I think the cost will also increase. What i see from this series is they sacrifice something to target certain price customer and also widen the customer profit from it. For us geek it is not optimal. But for most population which is only normal people, they don't care about it it just the same thing. It work and it do it work well thats all most common people care.

@@calvingea7180 Bro , there's the Acer Nitro 5 tho...

@@Aka.Aka. but acer nitro 5 not giving u rtx2060 except if u buy around the $1500 price one. Remember in tuf u get rtx2060

@@Aka.Aka. if u buy the gtx version nitro 5 is better choice

They are not delusional, they are just fucking liars. Everytime they screw something up it is someone's else's fault and usually those problems are intentional to make the product obsolete faster.

Honestly if they were just honest in this case i would have more respect for them

dont know if an shitty engendering team would talk to an youtuber to mangle about design sure if the vrm was covered it would seem to have an advantage did you ask yourself what parts are produce at what number , if they have 6000 copper pipe in stock they wont modify an tiny bit to produce 10000 parts with new specs and throw away those 6000 usable parts i dont stand by the opinion that its an bad buy , i use it 13 hours a day and temps are 45 in the morning and when i work its max 74C 90 % of the time and only for demanding gpu work it jumps in the mid 90s if i could make the gpu so it uses max 70 W it would be an perfect work machine for my usecase

Done that myself, adding alum heatsinks... i don't know but my CPU can run 4.2 GHz and temp is still 45 on idle.. under full load only 75..sometimes 80..

@@haryadiwijaya3304 Can you elaborate on how you did that? Btw, posting this from my new A15. :]

@@soroneir1260 i bought aftermarket heat sinks (not copper).. put those over those VRM chips.. although i do admit the fan is noisy

@@haryadiwijaya3304 is copper better?

They successfully handicapped a cheaper product to make their top tier products looked better to uninformed customers.

Or a youtuber trying to make content

I doubt that the engineers would have made it that way. As a software engineer I love good solution but I'm often held back by time and business constraints. I believe the engineers aren't happy either with the design.

@@themasterofdisaster1 Could be, but there's also plenty of shit engineers who are still employed worldwide.

@@user-rm4sy7nl3k Your contention is that ASUS makes shit laptops so that... KZfaqrs can make content? Or that ASUS can make content? Or? Your comment makes no sense lol

any response to a popular youtuber must extreme carefully, because they already hijacked a large amount of audience.

that's exactly what I was thinking

Big Brain time

They probably weren't counting on Tim going at it with a cutting tool when their PR person word-smithed the response lol

Last years TUF series had 2 grills near their both fans and one large in the middle...you could practically see the ram from the outside...that intake configuration was so good! They ruined it with this new version.

Choking the new 4000 series amd laptops. The 4800H with moderate cooling puts the best from intel (found in +2000$ laptops) to shame. It would be a direct attack to their higher line-up. This laptop with a better cooling solution (vrm heatsink, better underside...) And a better screen would probably only increase the price by 100$ at most, making it still a lot cheaper than their high-end laptops. It would be a no brainer to buy since the rest of laptop is pretty good, unless you're seeking a very slim and light design (which would perform worse thermal vise).

Well isn't that a perfectly reasonable thing to say? The TUF brand is supposed to give you value for your dollar. If that means tweaking the design to perform to spec under normal load conditions such as games or video rendering, that should be enough. If making the system perform better for benchmarks would mean a $10 higher BOM then the purpose of the brand is lost. ASUS aren't dumb and know that most customers want a product that just works while they do normal use-case things, at a good price. My reasoning of course being that benchmarks generally load the system more than any normal use would do.

I remember when intel was all about the "benchmarks", back when they used to pay off the most popular benchmarking software to perform worse with AMD.

@@rihasanatrofolo2472 good old cinebench

@@crazytech5755 with Open CL having not being updated since 2012, it's really obvious why and cards take such a hit

History repeats itself

The ROG Zephyrus G14 is very well reviewed.That makes this stupid failure even more baffling.

My thoughts exactly.

but you dont have the warranty pad for it @@

Or buy a replacement part to do the alterations, and keep the original as backup? So your warranty will not be void.

I couldn't find one. ANy names where I can find one?

Only a few are actually decent to good, like the X570 Plus. Other than the old Sabertooth, many of them are just low-tier poop

exactly what i was thinking!

asus pc parts are way better than their laptop counterparts, either its TUF or ROG, most of them do have a good quality meanwhile their laptops especially their low ends are total disaster

@@NeXMaX Yeah, my old Sabertooth 990FX boards which I had several were top notch. TUF branding is DOA today.

These days my z97 sabertooth tuf edition was pretty solid

Glad someone brought it up

Exactly my thoughts, all those companies do this intentionally in order to help Intel

@@Oneath why doesn't Lisa sue Intel Again?

@@rubaiyatmehedi9337 Good word joke, I guess she is too shy :P

He literally said this design is used in intel laptops

ikr... the premise of TUF brand is a tough products that can last longer than regular ASUS brand. Now, this brand is basicly a cheaper products with worse components than ROG. And the regular ASUS brand is basicly a laptop with good design. Let me make it clear, the looking is good, but the touch feeling is bad

The ASUS brand is gathering a bad reputation on its own because of issues like this and how they handle the criticism.

Definitely the wrong website

Dude I can't unhear it now

@@EEF2077 maybe you are machine too now

New merch incoming

Yes I wonder who that would benefit, doesn't make sense does it? 😉

@@redrock425 Obviously the OEM milking AMD hype, and taking rebates from intel.

Ah, the power of "Marketing Development Funds" 🙃

lol