Hey KC. When you say "toe plates" are you referring to swivel plates that front tires sit on? I would be curious to see how you do them. Remember, I'm just a backyard mechanic. So anything I can learn from pros like you would be great.

Mornin Frankie, how’s that coffee? What you’re thinking of is turn plates what you would set the front tires on. What I’m talking about is toe plates. You can go online and search toe plates and get a picture of them. How they work is you set one on each side of the two front tires, outside. then you run a tape measure across from one to the other. back side of tire and then on the front of tire, then you read the difference of the measurements and there’s your total toe in or out. I hope you could follow along with that? If you look at a picture of them online it might make sense to you.

Morning buddy. Haha I'm actually just having my coffee. I just did a search on toe plates and I see what you mean. I was trying to figure out how the hell does it line up with back wheels or frame. But after thinking about, you really don't need to line them up with anything. Once you have steering set straight then you just have to worry about the offset of the front wheels only. I see now, you opened my eyes. I really really like this way and these toe plates look really easy to make. Much easier and faster. Thanks buddy, you made my day.

Yeah quick and easy to just check toe in. I’ll set them on there and take a quick check of the toe after a ride if I happen to hit a tree rut or a big rock or something. Just to make sure nothing has changed.

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Thanks buddy. I thought I needed to try something different as there was always something off especially when I measure the distance between the 2 back wheels and 2 front wheels. The distance in the front was always less than rear. So I figured to try and use the frame and see how that worked out. Seems to work out better. But I did have an issue with Zepps machine where this method wasn't working. So we spent a little more time and noticed part of his frame was bubbling out with some rust. So for him we used the right side of the frame instead of both right and left. In the end it's very important that you get the string lines squared up.

Zepps frame bent because of to many Bombolone....nothing to do with rust....lol...

Thank you.

Thanks Mark for your input. I was noticing the same thing with more weight it does change the angle. After you mentioned about looking up the exact measurement you got me curious to see if it was in the shop manual. And wouldn't you know it. It was right there. For Outlander it's 1/8" toe-in and Renegade 1/4" toe-in. Maybe that's why there's so much confusion. Didn't realize there was a difference in setup between Outlander and Renegade. I guess I should add that into the video description. Thanks again for your input. Sometimes it helps just by talking.

Frankie's Channel no problem. And on some you can measure from the backside of the tire and the front side of the tire. Not all 4 wheelers are the same width at the front as the back. Some are narrow at back like your racing bikes. And some are wider. I also like setting it up like you have done, just some 4 wheelers you can't. This video will help a lot of people. Great job and thanks for sharing. ( menard rebel riders )

Hold on buddy. KC just showed me an easier way. Just search Toe Plates. It will all make sense once you see them.

I think it's really personnel preference because I get so many different opinions online and I asked my dealer's service tech and he said toe out. I wouldn't go more than 1/8" on each side max. My personal preference is straight or just a slight 1/16" toe in each side. I definitely did not like toe out at all. Couldn't turn for crap. Also I think it depends on type of tires you're running. I've notice mud tires feel better with more of a toe in. Like I said, really a personnel preference and don't be afraid to try something different. Thanks for dropping in buddy. '