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In part three of the February 20, 1970 Gregg Jakobson interview, Gregg and Deputy District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi read through Revelation 9 and discuss which verses Charlie Manson would talk about.
Jakobson and Bugliosi talk about the relationships within "the family" and how everyone within the group gave themselves up to Charlie.
"He was the unquestioned leader of the group, was he not?" asks Bugliosi.
"Oh there was no question," answers Jakobson.