Prabhu ji, His Divine Grace Bhaktivedant Prabhupada has authorized the 11 Disciples of Srila Prabhupada to act as a ritvik -: which means, His Holiness Tamal Krsna Maharaj stated that these members will act as a representative of Srila Prabhupada which means they can give Diksha on the behalf of Srila Prabhuapda Hare Krsna🙌🏻🌹🙏🏻🌼.

look at the full thing not just one thing

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how is that sensibel

Tattvavit dāsa Please accept my daandvat pranaam at your lotus feet.. I apologise for my words which hurts you or anyone out here. I am not saying that initiation doesn't matter but what I mean is that we need to look at higher cause, and higher cause is to spread Krishna Consciousness to the world. It is up to us that either we file a case and spend our life on this or we work for the mission of Prabhupada. I know it very well that neither the ISKCON nor ISKCON Bangalore is wrong. No one is breaking the wall, every devotee from all over the world is projecting Krishna Consciousness. I have seen a website made by someone, in that website, all maharaj of ISKCON are targetted. They all are the disciples of Srila Prabhupada, I accept one or two may fall or have fallen. But if someone is targetting a mass disciples of Srila Prabhupada, it means something wrong is there with the perception. I don't want to make offence for anyone.. Just praying humbly to all devotees to stop it. And if someone is really following Prabhupada may understand this. I again apologise for my words. Hare Krishna 🙏

Tattvavit dāsa I accept I am too naive. I am not imitating anyone. And I know about everyone who has fallen. Also the history of ISKCON. What my point is that every disciple of Srila Prabhupada is targetted, how it can be possible that everyone is a criminal, murderer etc. as claimed by that website being a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. It shows the inability of Prabhupada while giving initiation which is not possible. Seems you are not understanding ny sentiments and my point. Also seems I am annoying you. I apologise again and again for my words. Hare Krishna

Tattvavit dāsa Prabhupada has taught lots of thing contrary of Ritvik in his whole life. I can also give thousands of reference for same. But I don't want to start what I want to end i.e, the debate. May everyone find their way. May Srila Prabhupada give wisdom to the diverted one.. I bind up my words here. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Hari Bol 🙏

Dandwat pranam

But, when you have that opportunity to take initiation, why to take from Chaitanya Mahaprabhu... Let's directly take from Srilla Narada Muni and our name will be also in the Bhagbatam 13 th canto 😀

We are living in Kali Yuga, every Tom Dick and Harry want to be Guru. There is always a fight for authority in the temples. This method will ensure everyone is equal when initiated. The other Bhakti Movement faiths have direct level association with the founding Guru. I cannot accept a low form of Guru.

For all those who say well if vani is more important then vapu then why cant we take initation from any of the previous acaryas ? My Challenge to you would be this: What rules and regulations and how many rounds are you going to vow to chant from Brahma ji or caitanya mahaprabhu? and lets see how far you can follow or understand brahma ji Or caitanya mahaprabhu directly without then having to go to the six goswamis . Then lets see how far you go trying to understand and follow the six goswamis without going to krishna dasa kaviraj goswami. In this way as you keep going you will eventually get to bhaksidhanta saraswati goswami prabhupada . Then lets see how far you can go to first of all understand his vani (books) and then lets see if you can follow bhaksiddhantas prescribes number of rounds daily, namely 64 rounds. To try to disregard srila prabhupada and jump over to a previous acarya as you can see is not only foolish but impossible. "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles The fact that srila prabhupada is the current acarya is proven by that fact that it is his books we all read directly and from him do we get all the rules and regulations and the prescribed number of rounds to follow . These can be taken up by anyone ! Therefore anyone with even a slight bit of sense can understand that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya and therefore there is no question of us jumping over anyone to get to him. His instructions are openly available for everyone to take up. Just look at the list in the bhagavad gita intro : The Disciplic Succession Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (Bhagavad-gītā 4.2). This Bhagavad-gītā As It Is is received through this disciplic succession: 1. Kṛṣṇa 2. Brahmā 3. Nārada 4. Vyāsa 5. Madhva 6. Padmanābha 7. Nṛhari 8. Mādhava 9. Akṣobhya 10. Jaya Tīrtha 11. Jñānasindhu 12. Dayānidhi 13. Vidyānidhi 14. Rājendra 15. Jayadharma 16. Puruṣottama 17. Brahmaṇya Tīrtha 18. Vyāsa Tīrtha 19. Lakṣmīpati 20. Mādhavendra Purī 21. Īśvara Purī, (Nityānanda, Advaita) 22. Lord Caitanya 23. Rūpa, (Svarūpa, Sanātana) 24. Raghunātha, Jīva 25. Kṛṣṇadāsa 26. Narottama 27. Viśvanātha 28. (Baladeva), Jagannātha 29. Bhaktivinoda 30. Gaurakiśora 31. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī 32. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda Where is 33.?? which iskcon guru will dare to put his name next?

@@harindamodara1232 For all those who say well if vani is more important then vapu then why cant we take initation from any of the previous acaryas ? My Challenge to you would be this: What rules and regulations and how many rounds are you going to vow to chant from Brahma ji or caitanya mahaprabhu? and lets see how far you can follow or understand brahma ji Or caitanya mahaprabhu directly without then having to go to the six goswamis . Then lets see how far you go trying to understand and follow the six goswamis without going to krishna dasa kaviraj goswami. In this way as you keep going you will eventually get to bhaksidhanta saraswati goswami prabhupada . Then lets see how far you can go to first of all understand his vani (books) and then lets see if you can follow bhaksiddhantas prescribes number of rounds daily, namely 64 rounds. To try to disregard srila prabhupada and jump over to a previous acarya as you can see is not only foolish but impossible. "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles The fact that srila prabhupada is the current acarya is proven by that fact that it is his books we all read directly and from him do we get all the rules and regulations and the prescribed number of rounds to follow . These can be taken up by anyone ! Therefore anyone with even a slight bit of sense can understand that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya and therefore there is no question of us jumping over anyone to get to him. His instructions are openly available for everyone to take up. Just look at the list in the bhagavad gita intro : The Disciplic Succession Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (Bhagavad-gītā 4.2). This Bhagavad-gītā As It Is is received through this disciplic succession: 1. Kṛṣṇa 2. Brahmā 3. Nārada 4. Vyāsa 5. Madhva 6. Padmanābha 7. Nṛhari 8. Mādhava 9. Akṣobhya 10. Jaya Tīrtha 11. Jñānasindhu 12. Dayānidhi 13. Vidyānidhi 14. Rājendra 15. Jayadharma 16. Puruṣottama 17. Brahmaṇya Tīrtha 18. Vyāsa Tīrtha 19. Lakṣmīpati 20. Mādhavendra Purī 21. Īśvara Purī, (Nityānanda, Advaita) 22. Lord Caitanya 23. Rūpa, (Svarūpa, Sanātana) 24. Raghunātha, Jīva 25. Kṛṣṇadāsa 26. Narottama 27. Viśvanātha 28. (Baladeva), Jagannātha 29. Bhaktivinoda 30. Gaurakiśora 31. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī 32. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda Where is 33.?? which iskcon guru will dare to put his name next?

@@nitai-gauradasa6841 I am Happy with 32 is my view. After this is little comparison.

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The order is there, yes, but do they follow it? No

We perfectly know. Are we reading the same letter? Ritvik - a representative of acarya. Do those 11 disciples follow the order, represent Śrīla Prabhupāda? No, instead, they occupied the post of a guru without any authorization.

dont make a fool out of urself

@@nitai-gauradasa6841 why not? If vapu has not any importance only vani has the full importance then all the vanis are available of these great personalities also... (As per your theory) . And the 2nd thing is that, by this arguments who's going to Back to Home back to Godhead?

For all those who say well if vani is more important then vapu then why cant we take initation from any of the previous acaryas ? My Challenge to you would be this: What rules and regulations and how many rounds are you going to vow to chant from Brahma ji or caitanya mahaprabhu? and lets see how far you can follow or understand brahma ji Or caitanya mahaprabhu directly without then having to go to the six goswamis . Then lets see how far you go trying to understand and follow the six goswamis without going to krishna dasa kaviraj goswami. In this way as you keep going you will eventually get to bhaksidhanta saraswati goswami prabhupada . Then lets see how far you can go to first of all understand his vani (books) and then lets see if you can follow bhaksiddhantas prescribes number of rounds daily, namely 64 rounds. To try to disregard srila prabhupada and jump over to a previous acarya as you can see is not only foolish but impossible. "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles The fact that srila prabhupada is the current acarya is proven by that fact that it is his books we all read directly and from him do we get all the rules and regulations and the prescribed number of rounds to follow . These can be taken up by anyone ! Therefore anyone with even a slight bit of sense can understand that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya and therefore there is no question of us jumping over anyone to get to him. His instructions are openly available for everyone to take up. Just look at the list in the bhagavad gita intro : The Disciplic Succession Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (Bhagavad-gītā 4.2). This Bhagavad-gītā As It Is is received through this disciplic succession: 1. Kṛṣṇa 2. Brahmā 3. Nārada 4. Vyāsa 5. Madhva 6. Padmanābha 7. Nṛhari 8. Mādhava 9. Akṣobhya 10. Jaya Tīrtha 11. Jñānasindhu 12. Dayānidhi 13. Vidyānidhi 14. Rājendra 15. Jayadharma 16. Puruṣottama 17. Brahmaṇya Tīrtha 18. Vyāsa Tīrtha 19. Lakṣmīpati 20. Mādhavendra Purī 21. Īśvara Purī, (Nityānanda, Advaita) 22. Lord Caitanya 23. Rūpa, (Svarūpa, Sanātana) 24. Raghunātha, Jīva 25. Kṛṣṇadāsa 26. Narottama 27. Viśvanātha 28. (Baladeva), Jagannātha 29. Bhaktivinoda 30. Gaurakiśora 31. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī 32. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda Where is 33.?? which iskcon guru will dare to put his name next?

@@harindamodara1232 For all those who say well if vani is more important then vapu then why cant we take initation from any of the previous acaryas ? My Challenge to you would be this: What rules and regulations and how many rounds are you going to vow to chant from Brahma ji or caitanya mahaprabhu? and lets see how far you can follow or understand brahma ji Or caitanya mahaprabhu directly without then having to go to the six goswamis . Then lets see how far you go trying to understand and follow the six goswamis without going to krishna dasa kaviraj goswami. In this way as you keep going you will eventually get to bhaksidhanta saraswati goswami prabhupada . Then lets see how far you can go to first of all understand his vani (books) and then lets see if you can follow bhaksiddhantas prescribes number of rounds daily, namely 64 rounds. To try to disregard srila prabhupada and jump over to a previous acarya as you can see is not only foolish but impossible. "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles The fact that srila prabhupada is the current acarya is proven by that fact that it is his books we all read directly and from him do we get all the rules and regulations and the prescribed number of rounds to follow . These can be taken up by anyone ! Therefore anyone with even a slight bit of sense can understand that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya and therefore there is no question of us jumping over anyone to get to him. His instructions are openly available for everyone to take up. Just look at the list in the bhagavad gita intro : The Disciplic Succession Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (Bhagavad-gītā 4.2). This Bhagavad-gītā As It Is is received through this disciplic succession: 1. Kṛṣṇa 2. Brahmā 3. Nārada 4. Vyāsa 5. Madhva 6. Padmanābha 7. Nṛhari 8. Mādhava 9. Akṣobhya 10. Jaya Tīrtha 11. Jñānasindhu 12. Dayānidhi 13. Vidyānidhi 14. Rājendra 15. Jayadharma 16. Puruṣottama 17. Brahmaṇya Tīrtha 18. Vyāsa Tīrtha 19. Lakṣmīpati 20. Mādhavendra Purī 21. Īśvara Purī, (Nityānanda, Advaita) 22. Lord Caitanya 23. Rūpa, (Svarūpa, Sanātana) 24. Raghunātha, Jīva 25. Kṛṣṇadāsa 26. Narottama 27. Viśvanātha 28. (Baladeva), Jagannātha 29. Bhaktivinoda 30. Gaurakiśora 31. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī 32. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda Where is 33.?? which iskcon guru will dare to put his name next?

@@harindamodara1232but this is not prabhupad order... Believe in n Prabhupad and his system

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