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I hear amazing sounding records done both ways. Ears matter more than summing

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Yea usually the term ‘summing’ is used when there’s analogue gear involved in the process. If it’s all digital it’s a bounce. Both are a mix down

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Honestly, I haven't used a ton of summing mixers, maybe 2 or 3. The best sounding one I've used is the Dangerous 2 Bus. If I was in the market to buy one, I'd prob take a look at the Dangerous, a Neve (Portico or 8816), or the Shadow Hills

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That’s a cool and unique setup, props to you for working that way. There’s a number of guys who do pretty stunning mixes through in the box setups, so I think it’s genuine for those who say that’s their workflow. For me when i started doing analogue summing my mixes instantly got better so I was sold on it.

If i was going to buy one I’d go with Neve for a more colored sound, and maybe Dangerous for a cleaner sound

I keep my FX Aux channels in the box, but i assign the outputs to the board. For example, my vocal reverb exists as an Aux buss in protools, but I’ll assign the output of that fx channel to the same channels on the board that the vocals are going to. So the FX gets summed through the console along with the instrument it’s being used on 👍🏽

@@lovesciencemusic Thank you!! That make sense. I purchased a 16 channel summing box but I haven’t got around to hooking things up. That was one thing I been wondering about.

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If you’re mixing: from the DAW outputs > summing mixer (DA) > mixer stereo outs > DAW (AD). It prints a stereo track into the DAW, then export the stereo track

Ooh def try mixing to the Tascam 👍🏽

Bouncing or printing happens when you need a stereo version of it to listen to or take home. So at the end of a session, end of mix or master. Not sure about ping ponging, that’s what delays do

It might not make sense for the average user to be honest. But for pros who mix a lot it might could be an option. For me, my mixes sounded better quicker once i started summing through a board. I had worked in the box for years so had no reason to switch. I also happen to work in studios that have summing options, so it was available for me to use.

Hey man, analog summing is desirable because each track gets saturated/colored by the circuitry. In the video you see an API desk, it's one of the famous one along the SSL, NEVE, ISA desks and there are probably others. That's the reason (+the workflow) that you see channel strips emulations plugins always being sold and being popular. These "colours" are often better when they're there. Saturation happens naturally in the air in a room with live music, so it needs to be added on records, it's a very useful tool What's he's also saying that I didn't know, is that depth of feel and the stereo imaging is better. I knew that panning is kind of a volume illusion in a DAW, but I didn't know that it was different on a desk console/summing mixer. I wonder how big the difference is and how the process happens. If anyone knows, hit me up!

@@youngselfofficial893 Hello bro, thank you so much for your reply. The feel and the stereo imaging are the qualities that I am after. I've been mixing in the box for years and I'm ready to go hybrid with real analog summing gear. My rolls folcrum summing just arrived. It's going to be an interesting journey from here. Thank you for your response. I appreciate that very much.

@@leonmaxi7094 No problem, always fun to talk about gear lol, I looked the fulcrum up, looks cool! although I wished there were gain and pan controls on it... What's your setup to get your tracks out of your DAW and the sum back in? I'm currently looking up how to do it myself !

No, the the DA is not perceivable to me. What is gained by summing far outweighs any quality lost by conversion

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That’s just one way to set your outputs from the DAW to the board. When I do it this way, I may have say 5 different synths assigned to a stereo channel on the board. I’ll do the finer panning in protools before it hits the board. Another way to do it would be to assign each track in the session to the board and pan on the console. But with that way, there are only 32 channels on the board to work with and most mix sessions have way more tracks than that

@@lovesciencemusic Ok cool 😎. Got cha 👌

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It's called phase.

Anything done inside the box is pure mathematical calculations. Anything outside the box you are dealing with voltages.

Yea, todays work flow is for sure faster and more efficient. Sometimes people come in wanting to record to our Studer tape machine. But when most people understand how differently the session flow will be they end up saying… nah Nevermind 😂

I don’t know the technical process, but the 32 individual channels must be passing through some sort of set of stereo bus

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"The analog sounds better"

@TacoTacoTacoTaco try harder new friend

Analogue is smoothTastic

what do you mean?

Most people these days don’t use analogue summing though, so it’s def not necessary for great sounding mixes. I just like the sound of it and have been lucky to work in spaces where I could use it, and it has improved the sound of my mixes so I’m a fan

I meant capacitors

you wouldnt even be able to tell a difference thanks to youtube compression.

Mmm not really. If you don’t have sub par converters then you don’t audibly degrade audio quality. The summing adds more sonic character than the conversion takes away

Yep, through analogue gear

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I understand what sounds better to me, and i shared my opinion. Sorry there’s no audio examples for you sir