For those looking for an example of a successful armed insurrection on US soil I highly recommend the book The Fighting Bunch: The Battle of Athens and how World War Two Veterans won the only successful armed rebellion since the revolution. Amazing book and an amazing story. I would love to see the two of you do a collaboration on this story! Keep of the good work!

A Checkmate Lincolnites video got recommended a few weeks ago, so to then see you guys collaborating is absolutely awesome.

It's my bois! Love these collaborations.

In 1866 Red Cloud's War was a successful effort (though short lived) by the Lakota/Northern Cheyenne/Northern Arapaho against the U.S. Army in modern day Wyoming/Montana.

If you're going talk about Haiti, other colonies had Slave Revolts too. In Jamaica there were several. Runaway slaves known as Maroons formed a communities, and waged a successful guerilla war against the British who signed a treaty with them guaranteeing their independence. They're still there, proudly retaining their independence from Jamaica.

Karl, I'm glad you filmed this episode in front of your newly acquired property. Just a bit of TLC and you'll have a spot to escape the Tucson sun!

Thank you to both of you. Your videos are always informative, intertaining(knowledge without boredom). Thank you for your work and thank you to everyone supporting you

I love seeing you two hang out

I found 'in range' thru 'forgotten weapons'. I found 'atun-shei' thru academic lectures on the civil war. Thank you both for...the communication.

15:20 What you're describing are called Dragoons, which were mounted infantry. Cavalry fought from the horseback, mainly with swords and lances. About what you say on shooting from horseback. In the 16th and 17th centuries there was a maneouvre called the caracol, which was carried out as follows. First line rides up to the enemy and fires their pistols. As they turn and go to the back of the formation to reload, second line rides up to fire their pistols. Three to four lines were usually used. In the 1620s, the Swedish Army under Gustavus Adolphus modified this tactic, instead of reloading their pistols, they drew their swords and pressed on the charge. this was further developed under Carl XI after the Svanian War in the 1670s 1680s, to abolish all firearm use. Instead the cavalrymen formed an extremely tight wedge, they had to sit knee behind knee - your right knee behind the next guy's left knee and your left knee in front of that guy's right knee if you were in the left hand wing, and vice versa for the right hand wing - and the entire squadron charged like that with their swords pointing forward past the horses' heads. A very successful tactic.

24:30 America now reminds me of the problems the Weimar republic was facing: Street fighting, a judicative that has been politiciced, high ranking politicians that play against and harm the system for their own gains, a power struggle between states/provinces and federal government, total deadlock in politics, people with less than 25% of ellegible voters' votes winning elections. Eerily similiar.

My Bad Carl I never have the time to watch anything over 30 minutes really, so I hope it was all good. Thanks to you both.

8:15 Thanks for mentioning the book. I will have to grab it when I can. Looks really interesting.

atun-shei's "yea" count is approaching infinity.

I find that interesting that you say that the civil war generals were just playing war compared to their European counterparts. In Sherman's thoughts on the grand strategy of the union(I believe that's the name) he mentions at the end that when he toured europe many of the generals with some exceptions generally by nation were scoffed at about his strategic ideas and what industrialized war looks like. Particularly the French he mentions and it's almost prophetic for world War 1 as when he was writing this it was 1880s. These generals would of been setting the culture and plan for their own military for the next several decades and it sounds like they are basing their strategy on espirit de corps and superior training and that cavalry charges will still be relevant but not really that based on realism. Although it may have been his bias and I may be interpreting in a way with the larger context and fit my own confirmation bias

Many years ago I read the accounts of the Battle of Steptoe Butte and the subsequent battles that lead from that. I was looking for something else and ran across them by accident in the Adjutant Generals records for the region, fascinating accounts from all sides involved and hand written in that classic, nearly unintelligible, cursive of the day. The accounts were very different than what I had expected. I got the records on microfilm through my public library from The Library of Congress. Along this line I highly recommend looking into the battles that occurred between the Native Americans and the "authorities" in the NW and in particular the unfortunate incident at the Whitman Mission. It set the tone of the whites perspective on the Native Americans from that point onward. It was a HORRIBLE misunderstanding that lead to many of the later dealings between Native Americans and western settlers from that point onward. Very sad... Love your channel, keep up the good work!

"What's up with the "redneck chic" you see among white collar men? They wear work clothes or hunting camo and drive spotless oversized pickup trucks, but none of it has a practical purpose. It's all a fashion statement, an overloud and insistent expression of masculine self-image." Atun-shei, definitely not speaking about kyle. 🤔

Damn I really wanna see some mega collab between Karl, Atun Shei and Robert Evans

"It's not geographically stratified." In other words, almost nobody's more than half a mile from the front line. The potential for suckiness in that situation is not insignifcant.

Courts are about the law they are not about justice.

Brandy Station, VA largest cavalry battle on the North American continent, Trevalian Station, VA largest cavalry only battle.

The talk about historical amnesia got me thinking about an event locally to me. This month is the 125th anniversary of the September 10, 1897 Lattimer Massacre. The event involved a sheriffs posse armed with Winchesters murdering 19 unarmed striking miners and wounding several dozen more. Most were shot in the back as they ran away. It speaks volumes to the struggle for workers rights and how racism played a role in that struggle and yet isn't even a footnote in most textbooks.

Horseback Brutality 2023?

Three thoughts I had while listening to this were- Re successful uprisings: Although not the question, maybe worth considering is the role of even unsuccessful uprisings in making oppression more expensive, and thus eventually untenable. Re early Cavalry: I was at a firehouse museum some time ago and was surprised by the distinct possibility that the horses were more trained, better equipped, and cared for than the firefighters of old. -I.E. At fire events, a vet was required to be present, and all industries of a certain size w/ stables were required to provide extra space for horses at very short notice -I'm confident there was much more. People were easy to put on the back of a cart. Re "A Puritan view of keeping/bearing arms" , but not really related: I had been fascinated by the spiritual/religious requirement of Sikh people to carry weapons at all times. I think this requirement has included women as well, and for a very long time. A "casual Sikh" guy I knew was unable to tell me if there was any long established dogma(s) regarding an intentionally armed entire population.

was the book 'Force and Freedom'? it seems to fit what you were talking about

Another set of successful (sort of) armed opposition to tyranny were the pirates of the late 17th and early 18th century. St. Mary's Island, Tortuga, Port Royal, etc. Sure, eventually crushed and morally questionable but seamen of the time were a marginalized and oppressed group.

Damn I didn't know you could watch prey in Comanche! I have to rewatch it!

Of the Armed Insurrection question. I'm surprised neither of you thought of Wat Tyler's Rebellion aka the Peasant Rebellion. While not in all ways immediately successful it did quite shortly change England for the better and gave us several good tales of the Hero Rebel.

Largest ACW Cavalry is Brady Station, largest calvary only is Trevilians.

Thank you. Great questions with great answers.

Pretty cool Q&A as usual. Atun-Shei always brings some extra flavor to InRange content.

Cap and ball is fun. Definitely get a cap and ball revolver.

What a great conversatio(q&a) i love the diverse topics and thoughts.

Re English Puritans and arms - the English Civil War introduced them to arms & militias, and I suspect that would carry over to late 17th century New England.

I love you both and want to see many more Q&A, or just general chats, with you two.

It almost looks like people are dying to get in...

I love when you two collaborate. The content is always top notch.

Many of the commanders on both sides were from West Point and also fought in the Mexican-American War. I wouldn't quite describe them as "adorable," but early volunteer armies were like two mobs fighting as one observer described. However, by 1865, the Union army (and Confederate) by this point fleshed out the dregs and arguably had the most experienced, hardened core of officers in the world, with an army of what used to be green volunteers now veterans, in the number of 2.5 million. Not to mention they were fresh on the new form of warfare (trench warfare) which they were heavily engaged in the last half of the war. The armies of 1864-5 could have steam rolled all of the Europe.

Watching you guys, made me itchy too.

At 26:25 Atun, mentions a Robert Adams? I can’t quite understand. Anyone know who he’s talking about?

bros dashing

Tom Hanks character in saving private Ryan was a teacher

Having the option of watching Prey in Comanche is adding a whole new layer of coolness to the movie. A small gripe though is, that the subs are the same as the English CC subs [Dog Barks]. I can hear just fine, i just don't speak Comanche. But definitely worth seeing.

I know that was a joke, but, I couldn't even afford to live there...

There are a lot of serious dangers involved in attaching a rope to a thrown hatchet or tomahawk. It doesn't always come back in the trajectory you anticipate, or at the anticipated velocity. That is if it doesn't just stick until you pull again really hard and that is when things can get interesting. :)

Wasn’t there a Green Corn Rebellion in recent times?

On the topic of civil liberties: I would love to see a collab between inRange, Atun-Shei and Beau of the Fith Column!

"They may take our traditions but they will never take our freedom to beat our wives!"

Holy crap, I never heard of Wenceslao Moguel before, you told the story, and I was like "well that's kind of callous to ask what guns they used to kill this poor schmuck". But no, dude took 7-8 rifle rounds and lived, holy crap.

I did medieval history in university, the lectures are fun but it absolutely sucks in terms of even finding sources.

Truly believe that thouse who identify with and strictly follow the policies of one party are not following the spirt of what our country should be in its most evolved form.

would love a list of times/events when federal military was used internally in USA, could just be a list/category possibly with what references could be used for reading, was the last use putting down strikes by unions? Also what does 'martial law' mean, who can declare it and what effect that has.

Where are the time stamps!

I shoot cap and ball and it's f****** great dude I love it. My main advice is if you're going to get an Italian reproduction you're going to need to do some work on it it's not going to be perfect right out of the box

I say we boycott Atun until he gives us more "Checkmate, Lincolnites" videos

Is Shay going into the forever box?

I recommend giving these a headline topic title to get more engagement. This is such great content and it's a shame it doesn't reach more people. Algorithm aside a bit more exciting title might help.

wait the great teacher death i know i have seen that shirt somewhere, i don't remember where...

Does anyone else get the impression that Ian and Karl are on quests to replace each other?

53:00 theres a song about this man by chumbawumba of all groups. Historically accurate “el fusalado”

Greenland doesn't have trains - or really roads between towns 😕

A prime example of a leader who rises from obscurity to a dominant position is Micheal Collins.

Wouldn't the rebellion of 1776 be an example? The Eureka Stockade in Colonial Victoria might be close, they lost the battle but won in the aftermath politically.

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Maybe you'd be happy to know my sense of humor extends to things your serious about. - Sincerly a "deluded fool" 🙂

52:25 Couldn't find anything on the guy, mainly because I have no way of knowing how his name is spelled. Please use captions for stuff like this.

Karl, the cavalry you were describing was how Nathan Bedford Forrest used his. But I and a few other niche historians actually consider him a "mounted infantry" commander. Instead of carbines, he fitted them with rifles and used them as one would use infantry, except unlike traditional infantry, the horse gave them superior mobility and manuevering, hence is why he is credited as one of innovators of "mobile infantry" i.e. motorized infantry. Atun-Shei was sort of right, but instead of charging with sabres, pitched cavalry battles involved revolvers and short arms. Confederate cavalry early on ditched their sabres for revolvers and later on the Union cavalry would do the same.

Would love to hear thoughts from either of you on the black armed self defense movement in Monroe, NC, during the civil rights movement in the 60s.

15:15 Didn't they set aside 25% of their manpower to hold the horses? I mean, one of the troopers in a four-man team was known as the Handler.

Karl bad man

There seems to be some fishy business with Jonestown.

As a retired goth I do love a good goth/clove joke, lol

Not a historian? There are amateur historians all over the place. There's hardly a town if any size that hasn't had a history written by a local amateur. Also, many institutions like churches and schools have histories written. Quality varies, of course. Check local libraries.

19:40 As a European I find it adorable that in the USA every exchange of fire is made into a "battle", often with few if any casualties.

You had me at those Jesus sandals. All kidding aside you two are awesome you are each 1/2 of my spirit animal, and that’s the truth.

And now an Esoterica cameo! It's an interesting channel I'm binge watching right now. Found out about Esoterica a month ago due to a collaboration between Atun-Shei and Dr. Sledge. Quite different from either InRange or Atun-Shie.

While the historian has to rely on primary sources sometimes those primary sources need to be either questioned or taken with a sometimes large grain of salt. Personal accounts may be edited either willingly or simply because of faulty memory. Official accounts can misleading due to cover ups or the writer simply not having complete information. Perhaps a classic case of the "official" account versus reality is the Egyptian account of the Battle of Kadesh. Which portrayed the Pharaoh (Ramses l or ll iirc) smiting the Hittites. I wonder if the Eguptian court had a position that equates to a public relations office or minister of propaganda. Even today we see events spun by parties with an agenda through social media. A case in point would be the events in Kenosha (1) two years ago. When the story broke the narrative was that Jacob Blake had only been attempting to breakup a fight at a block party. When in reality the police were there because of a 911 call and to execute an outstanding arrest warrant on Mr Blake. The point is one must always be wary of primary sources. Especially with current events. 1) I happen to live there so some of the narrative that has been spun from both sides tends to piss me off.

I have to agree with you on the realistic civil unrest to see would be something akin to Bleeding Kansas, which is still horrible and worrying. But I don't think we'll go past that. Regardless I love listening to you two chat. Thank you both for your time and for your videos.

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I have been watching you for a couple years. I think another explanation for the possible misunderstanding of your white genocide joke is maybe context......in that maybe people shared the vid to people that were unfamiliar with your past content and those people somehow took you seriously and did no further research. Just a guess. I dont always agree with you but always come out learning something. Thanks.

Fascinating!

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That father's day post was absolutely hilarious, and I laughed for probably ten minutes straight.

The biggest blunder of the Civil War after Picket's charge would be the Confederacy continuing to fight after losing both Vicksburg and Gettysburg within hours. The Union had full control of the Mississippi, cutting off the western rebel states, and the rest of the war was just a gruesome exercise in bloodletting and destruction which wrecked the economies of the South. Yes, this is an oversimplification, but by this point, the logistical situation of the Confederate troops made any southern victory a pure fantasy.

On the issue of our rights that you mentioned about defending one and being grouped with others I agree it's a travesty. I'm not pro trump but I'm super pro gun and libertarian. I want everyone from minorities, to all people of political parties, classes and etc to be able to be armed if they choose to do so and be armed with what they want. I'm very Christian and encourage people to find Christ but I will not force anyone to do so. I'm not in favor of abortion but I'm not in favor of it being outlawed either. I encourage adoption but it's your body and your choice to do what you will with it. Same thing with being gay or if you want to change your gender. I don't agree with it but do what you want just don't infringe on other people's rights. Just don't force your believes down people's throats. The war on drugs has failed and drugs won just like prohibition of alcohol. Maybe it's time to legalize them and stop imprisoning users and give them help they need and start setting up places where it's safe to use them. When I tell people these things MAGA people can't believe I can be Christian, pro gun, but pro doing what you want with your body and not very pro cop. It blows their mind. Same thing with liberals they think I'm one of their own until I get to pro gun views and it blows their mind. I believe it's time to cut spending, shrink the federal government, and just let people live their own way just as long as they don't infringe on other people's rights. I believe we are at a crossroads of whether or not we are gonna be a free country or not. People of this nation need to think hard about this decision because there is grave consequences either way.

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Just removing guns from the country as a whole is obviously neither the solution nor even possible, but what is possible is red flag laws, let's say someone films themselves with a bag full of dead cats while saying that they are going to do a school shooting, most people would call that a red flag, also if you have a tendency towards violence, that would be a red flag, and with the majority of mass shooters, there are such red flags, red flags that should be acted upon.

Nuuk is a pleasant little place

Every time you guys talk about racism in history I love it. I love nothing more than to hear about other sides of the book that was printed. The unbiasedness is awesome

The Battle of the Crater. The troops assigned had been specifically trained not to go into the resulting crater. Then for honors sake the units got switched out and into the crater they went. Of course the ultimate insane military event of the American Civil War (1) was Fort Sumter. If the South had continued to play the political game they may have achieved a political solution. 1) To call it a civil war is a misnomer. I know we have been calling it that but a civil war is two (or more) factions fighting for ploitical and cultural control of a nation or society. The American Civil War was in actuality a war to attempt to secure the political independence of the South.

"...shine the light on the cockroach..." Love it!

Inshallah

Do an in range on John Brown :)

I know this is kind of a stupid question...but I like your getup Karl! ID on pants and shoes? Shoes look like Salomon Quest GTX if my guess is correct

Sounds a small group is trying very hard to keep the two party system in place while both "sides" of that same coin keep expanding the federal government... Federal political power thrives on division and chaos... Sounds like us citizens are doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing 😁

Karl may be one of the most intelligent and interesting people in the space.

Hi Carl, please listen at 0.25x video speed, there's EVP spirit audio, here - the three first ones are loud: 4:40 'The war', 4:43 'Lad være, Völven' ('The Völve, don't..'), 4:45 'Spirit Ghost Dance', then very faint 'The Völve er en dygtig shaman' ('The Völve is a skilled shaman'), 4:47 'Du må ikke blande dig i noget' ('You mustn't interfere in anything'). 4:54 'Asatro Völve' ('Asatru shaman'), very faint 4:55 'Vi fører stadig krig mod den hvide mand' ('We are still at war with the white man'), 4:59 'På et spirituelt plan' ('At a spiritual level'), 5:01 'Og det kan blive farligt for dig, hvis du blander dig' ('And it can become dangerous for you if you get involved'). 5:07 'The Völve skal holde sig væk' ('The Völve must stay away'), 5:10 'From America', 5:13 'For de hvide i Amerika de hader dig' ('Because the whites in America they hate you'), 5:18 'Så, hvis du rejser til Amerika igen, så vil de smide dig i fængsel' ('So if you go to America again, they'll throw you in prison'), 5:26 'De synes, at du er en terrorist' ('They think that you are a terrorist'), 5:29 'Fordi du er så dygtig til at overvåge deres efterretningstjenster ved hælp af ånde-energi' ('Because you're so good at monitoring their intelligence services, using spirit energy'), 5:49 'Det er de rasende over' ('They're enraged by that'). 5:52 'De er så sure over, at Völven er dygtigere end dem, med al deres elektronik og sattelitter' ('They are so pissed off about the fact that The Völve's more capable than them, with all their electronics and satellites'), 6:03 'Og derfor vil de gøre alt for at frame Völven, hvis du rejser til deres store land' ('And therefore they'll do everything to frame The Völve, if you travel to their 'great country'), 6:15 'Selv om Völven elsker Amerikas folk og kultur' ('Even though The Völve loves America's people and culture'). 6:21 'Så hold dig væk fra Amerika, ellers ryger du i fængsel på livstid' ('So stay away from America or you'll end up in prison for life'), 6:29 'Pas på' ('Beware'), 6:31 'For man skal ikke tro, at de er til at stole på' ('Because you shouldn't believe that they can be trusted'). 6:32 'De har deres eget nazi parti' ('They have their own Nazi party'), 6:45 'Og ANTIFA-grupperinger' ('And ANTIFA groups'), 6:48 'Og det har de rigeligt at gøre med at tage sig af' ('And they've got plenty to do, taking care of that'), 6:59 'De gider ikke også bruge tid på en åndssvag Asatro' ('They don't wanna have to waste their time on 'an idiot Asatru' as well'), 7:06 'Så klap din kæft helt i, omkring de amerikanske efterretningstjenester' ('So shut the hell up about the US intelligence services'). 7:17 'Tak fordi du støtter de indianske nationer' ('Thank you for supporting Native American Nations'), 7:21 'Det er vi meget glade for at du gør' ('We are very happy that you are doing that'), 7:27 'Men pas nu godt på dig selv' ('But take good care of yourself, now'), 7:33 'I har brug for en stærk shaman, hjemme i Danmark' ('You need a strong shaman, at home in Denmark'), 7:42 'Så hør efter og ti stille' ('So listen and be quiet'). 23:57 'Shut the fu%k up'. Thank you The Völve

What about the Bundy family in Oregon and Idaho? They have basically managed to graze for free for decades and even occupied a federal building. They got away with it by being armed and vocal about it.

What about that power station in NC that got shot up? One step closer to "bleeding Kansas."

Couple thoughts on the small/oppressed groups defending themselves against governments/majorities. 1. Battle of Athens (1946) 2. US Revolution 3. The ones that ya'll mentioned 4. Number of historical examples in eastern Europe against the Turks