Michelin pilot sport 4s star marked are basically a cup 2

Bmw knows better, as the Audi, which tyres are better for their car... Especially when we are talking about M and RS models...

BMW knows better, as the Audi, which tyres are better for their car... Especially when we are talking about M and RS models

@@user-ym9ik9ow3rThey do, which is why they offer optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 for track work. I’d like to see apples to apples comparison. Tires are super important on such a tight circuit.

@@stefanomarcellino6701 not even close when you look at the tread block design, check out tire reviews side by side test and see the laptime difference between the both.

I used to own a B7 RS4 Avant and to this day maybe the favourite car I’ve owned. I can’t put my finger on exactly why that is, it’s probably lots of little reasons really.

@@dutchschaefer5787 Im willing to bet it might be related to the cylinder count under the hood.

@@augustortiz your partly right, the engine is a masterpiece. It’s perfect for the car, how it handles, feels and the noise. A V8 revving to nearly 8500rpm sounds incredible.

@@dutchschaefer5787 Nothing like that generation of super sedans from 2007-2014 where all of them had N/A V8's/V10's that screamed. The Rs4 was a real beauty of a car and that engine really was amazing.

Jeremy Clarkson did say the B7 RS4 had one of the best engines ever made...

Anyone would complain when their favorite car loses due to weaker tires. And this isn't even speculation, the M3 is faster on every other track I could find.

@@xIcarus227 because the BMW used semi slick cup 2's on every other track while the Audi has ran every track on street P Zero Corsa tires lol. Keep in mind we have yet to see a factory Audi driver take the RS4 Competition out on track with Trofeos or Cup 2s.

@@randyragy4592 I already answered somewhere else that the Nurburgring run for example was in damp conditions, where the Cup 2 are weak. And we've yet to see a factory BMW driver take the M3 out on track too, so what's the deal? We know how manufacturers like to bend the rules during those record runs, so what's the point? To do a proper comparison you'd need the same driver on the same tires in the same conditions which we're not likely to get.

@@xIcarus227 it was not a damp road it was sunny and 19 degrees outside the the track was 29 degrees Celsius.. read the sport auto magazine if you don’t believe me

@@randyragy4592 like I told you in the other comment, watch the video. Search for 'sport auto m3 touring' at the top, first video with the obnoxiously green car. Track is wet aside from a few portions. Quit coping and face the facts.

To put it in context, the M3 is way quicker when the driver doesn’t sandbag. Its blatantly obvious his driving was erratic and scrappy.

@@stubones I don't think he sandbagged though. in this video, @2:07, he said he also tested the M3 sedan and got a 43.9 which is the exact same time as the RS4 comp. So are you saying he sandbagged both the M3 touring and the M3 Sedan two separate times?

@@randyragy4592I don’t think so either. Adding to that is the tire difference. I think it plays a huge role at a track like this one.

And this car wasn’t equipped with carbon ceramics

​@randyragy4592 M fanboys are always gonna complain when they get beat. The simple fact of the matter is, BMW added AWD to the M3 and which added more weight than the already AWD RS4. So obviously Audi knows how to package AWD. The M3 having more power and more weight, results in pretty similar Power to Weight. So they were perfectly matched. Imo

Ugliness adding weight would explain a great deal on BMW's entire lineup. Seriously, their cars are just porky this generation.

Bruh if u havent seen the new bmw m3 or m4 with an adro body kit and grille or the CSL one stop what ur doing and check them out. Ritta rides just reviewed the best looking M car ive ever seen in the bmw m4 csl. Other then that though i prefer the m3s look just need some aftermarket 300-800$ add ons and it looks super mean and aggresive. All types of stuff u can do to it. Performance wise i just couldnt go back to an older bmw too, these new xdrive M cars launch like a tesla plaid. With just 10k in tunes its faster then one too. I use to hate the grille till i saw the aftermarket options. It looks tons better then this fat wagon. Plus it'd faster from a dig a roll and around the track. But I guess ur just an audi owner

😂😂😂😂😂bmw fanboy sit down 🤦‍♂️

The actually do these tests several times and then pick the best lap time. The one where he speaks while driving, was not the actual best lap time. They shot another lap just to do the narration. It's impossible to get the best lap time if his main focus was to entertain the camera.

Steve is one of the few proper testers with real track skills, rather than some random boy wannabe racer - so yes he can lol!

Keep in mind the B10 will come out next year. RIP BMW

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Or perhaps when the host repeats for 3 or 4 times that the RS4 has better tires, it might make a difference.

Suspension compliance over kerbs has not much to do with tyres in this case. P Zero Corsas have much higher grip levels than PS4 but thats not really relevant here.

@@ilvesmannot really much higher

Well it's about time when they made the same car for 7 years.

@@Corvolet5 it's a great car so who cares? The longer they build it the better. Next one ain't gonna be an ICE

Shocking that a bigger, heavier, and more powerful car would be harder to manage around a tight circuit.

Plus the fact it has a proper grill not that hideous BMW buck tooth thing 😂

0.3 faster with r-compound tires vs street tires means the Audi is definitely slower. About the looks… they’re wagons so they’re both hideous pigs The BMW’s front half looks way better than the Audi bc the Audi has a grill worse than everything besides a Lexus.

I have a G80 M3 and I'd say the Audi is more pretty, the BMW is more aggressive. I agree that the Audi's stickier tires made a good difference but the M3 is also paying the price of its weight on the track

Quicker? Did you miss the like 4 occasions where the host said it's on stickier tires? 😂 Fastestlaps shows the M3 Touring at a fat 5 seconds faster than the RS4 Competition on the Nordschleife, so the RS4 far from being faster.

@@sportbikejesus6297 BMW front better than the Audi's...get off the crack pipe! lol

@@sportbikejesus6297I mean it is incredibly subjective but I bet if we polled 1000 random people on the streets most would find the audi to be more appealing. Again it’s a opinion

And my favourite, touge timeattack made by Drift King himself. BMW M4 0:27.98 A4 2.0 TFSI quattro 0:28.10 BMW M235i 0:28.21 Absurdly good.

Chill, tyres made all the difference.

😂😂😂😂....Bro they making excuses about tyres forgetting the audi has lesser power & bmw is just a fat pig

Perhaps they will be convinced to commit suicide after this video 😂😂

Perhaps they will be convinced to commit suicide after this video 😂😂

Mainly because and RS4 is not seen as a track car in any way. M3 on the other hand...

and 60hp more? (even more, if we would look on dyno)

Yep small track benefits Audi. Would have loved to see the results in dry conditions in RWD mode on the M3.

very surprising result. I wonder how much difference the tyres make?

Or better tires.

@@An.Individual I'd say that judging by Fastestlaps painting the M3 as faster on every other track they have, it's pretty clear the tires made a big difference here.

@@xIcarus227 Look at you commenting on all these posts, get a f#@kin life man...geezus.

I’m sure Sutcliffe kicked the tail out of the rear-biased M3 somewhere, hence the 0.22-second difference. A better driver would have seen the BMW win, not by much, but it would certainly have not lost.

The fact that Audi beat bmw with less power is already a win in my books

no

This is a small and tight track, so the suspension magic audi worked on is the reason it really shines here. Straights aren't long enough to show the m3's power advantage. Sure, the m3 would be a little quicker than the audi with comparable tires, but it would be pretty close. ps4s are 80-90% of the tire that the corsas are, I'd figure the bmw would gain maybe .3-.4 on it's time with the same tires.

You are right in general, but I suspect the tyres are much to "blame" for the result in this video. Set the BMW up with a set of Cup 2s or the same Pirelli the Audi has, and I bet the results are reversed, and then some.

Bruh if u havent seen the new bmw m3 or m4 with an adro body kit and grille or the CSL one stop what ur doing and check them out. Ritta rides just reviewed the best looking M car ive ever seen in the bmw m4 csl. Other then that though i prefer the m3s look just need some aftermarket 300-800$ add ons and it looks super mean and aggresive. All types of stuff u can do to it. Performance wise i just couldnt go back to an older bmw too, these new xdrive M cars launch like a tesla plaid. With just 10k in tunes its faster then one too. I use to hate the grille till i saw the aftermarket options now the old bmws look old

Meh, all Audis have looked boring lately. The Beaver-W commands a lot more road presence no matter what.

The lighter & less powerful car won ....The RS4 comp is a better in all aspects

Go look gregor10 and stop spread myths. 2.9 V6 itself is at same lvl at s58, just aux is on lower tier, you have to stage 2 it and thats it.

Yes i been hit twice by Audi drivers.

Not that BMW drivers have a much better rep... (I have driven both - no offense meant)

Tyres...

just chill for a second. They are Pzero Corsa's not fkn Trofeo R's. Just because Audi for ONCE put proper tires on their RS cars and they start Humiliating BMW's all the BMW fanboys need to start crying about tires. What about all the years gone by when M cars have been on Star marked PS4S tires vs the competitors on Hankook Ventus 3's LOL. I didn't hear any BMW fanboys cry about tires then.@@dlevi67

This is the RS4 Competition. They upgraded the suspension on the car to make it track focused. I take it you have a normal RS5 too and not the RS5 Competition either.

@@ellasOLE22 Nobody is crying or a fanboy - projecting much, kid? The lap difference was 0.3 seconds, which I would hardly call a 'humiliation'; Audi never fitted Hankook as OEM on this model, so try to calm down and look at the thing objectively. Given the two cars are fairly equally matched in terms of power-to-weight, it's not surprising that the one with the slightly better tyres is slightly faster around a tight circuit. The one who needs to chill is you...

I’m a fan of both brands but to add more context to my earlier comment. Yes, my RS5 is not the Competition, but it is on KW V2 coilovers and running Michelin PS4 tires. My M3 is on KW HAS and still running the stock Pirelli PZeros which are not great. Good to see Audi trying to close the gap

Prison.

'better all round cars'. On which planet do you live? Utter nonsense.

@@Chris-jt4ux I fly close to the sun, son.

yeah, la la land by the sound of it.@@doca8792

Not that much - those Michelins are a cracking tyre, would make VERY little difference on a track that small.

The michelins are known to suit the BMW very well and the Perelli corsa's work well on the lighter unsprung weight of the RS4 comp. So no it wouldn't make a difference. The M3 touring is not the the best mid size wagon the outgoing B9 is. It always was the better looker now its the better track and all road wagon too.

​@@Gez492The M3 touring is without a doubt the best mid size wagon. Your assumption that an actual track Tyre on a circuit like that and with all the torque the M3 offers wouldn't make a difference is lunatic.

@@Gez492 if they didn't make a difference then how do you explain the RS4 being slower by a good margin on every other track could find aside from this one? I don't know why some of you people in this comment section are downplaying the importance of tires. It's the single most important mod you do when you're going to a track.

@PilotSuperSport I like the way you twist the narrative to suit your preference, this is a very difficult handling track, with lots of changes in direction, and it showed up the weight transfer issues with the BMW. something hitherto the Beemer fan boys would have been throwing at the Audi. So now you only want it to race on circuits with not too many corners or a dig because it has a bigger motor with more torque and much more power, lunatic indeed 🙄

They never understeered anyway. If there was limit, it was just case that Audi had too much grip on rear axle.

​@@bapr3887you literally just defined understeer with word spaghetti. 😂

@@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead Problems with understeer, "cant turn" "audisteer" are not same, when car have too much grip in rear axle. Too much grip in rear axle is very easy to fix and in every audi there is 3-4 easy tricks to make rear slighty to a lot more loose. (but why anybody would do it, when there is literally no problem?) Audi just making rear axle more and more loose. People think, that they dont understeer anymore, when their front axle grip is still in same, record high level, rear axle just pops first, cant keep up with front anymore.

​​@@bapr3887all road cars understeer, but the B9 uses torque vectoring through the brakes to counter the understeer. If you turn the systems all the way off a B9 drives like a B7. The vehicle dynamics haven't changed that much. Understeer and oversteer are limit handling characteristics. They're by definition the opposite of the end which gives up grip at any moment, but you can have either condition at any point in the corner and it can change depending on setup and driving style/input. My overarching point was that the software inside the B9s stability control systems have massively improved the limit handling characteristics to eliminate understeer on the limit, albeit somewhat falsely as even this has a limit as to how much it can help. But it's enough to get a car around a circuit faster than any Audi previously had any right doing. A B9 when really pushed hard drives right up there with the best of saloon cars available.

@@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead A B5-9 when really pushed hard drives right up there with the best of saloon cars available. Every Audi in its era had best or almost best roadholding in comparisons. Its not software. Its hardware. To make Audi with full time awd more oversteery, you need to make rear end stabilizer thicker, thats 50% of work. Next thing is torsen mod with tbr change. Next thing is geometry and there you go, your audi slides, slides very much, slides too much, as you want and as you wish. But no software. Audi had active mechanicaly rear diffs since Audi 80 and V8 and clutch-operating rear diffs since RS4 B7. Torque vectoring through the brakes Audi make in 90s in audi A8 D2, first car in the world with this type of system and then, they got rid off mech rear diffs used in V8. Imho, Audi make rear very solid in late 80s/early 90s, because it was very demanding by customers and modern in this era, after primitive RWD oversteery cars with lack of real roadholding. 80s main subjects were passive safe drive systems.