The strategies of carmakers still betting on IC engines | Deep Drive Podcast Ep.10

The strategies of carmakers still betting on IC engines | Deep Drive Podcast Ep.10 | Autocar India

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Battery electric vehicles might be dominating the news but it's the internal combustion engine that will still be powering the majority of new vehicles for the coming decade and perhaps even beyond. Hormazd Sorabjee - Editor, Autocar India - and Sergius Barretto - Managing Editor, Autocar India - discuss carmakers and the paths they've taken to keep the internal combustion engine firing on all cylinders. Welcome to Episode 10 of the Autocar Deep Drive Podcast powered by Kotak Mahindra Prime.
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Chapters -
0:00 - Introduction
0:47 - ICE is here to stay
2:30 - Emission and efficiency regulations
4:52 - Maruti Suzuki
12:43 - Toyota
14:14 - Mahindra
17:28 - Tata Motors
21:00 - Hyundai & Kia
23:40 - MG
24:50 - Volkswagen & Skoda
27:14 - Jeep
28:55 - Citroen
29:45 - Honda
31:18 - Renault & Nissan
32:45 - Aisin automatic transmission
33:40 - Bio-fuels
35:00 - CNG
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@autocarindia1 Ай бұрын

Chapters - 0:00 - Introduction 0:47 - ICE is here to stay 2:30 - Emission and efficiency regulations 4:52 - Maruti Suzuki 12:43 - Toyota 14:14 - Mahindra 17:28 - Tata Motors 21:00 - Hyundai & Kia 23:40 - MG 24:50 - Volkswagen & Skoda 27:14 - Jeep 28:55 - Citroen 29:45 - Honda 31:18 - Renault & Nissan 32:45 - Aisin automatic transmission 33:40 - Bio-fuels 35:00 - CNG

@surajpalan7742 Ай бұрын

Why isn't India coming up with new car companies.. ? Compared to china they have over 200 companies..

@mayurrmane1 Ай бұрын

Diesel engines are still value for money in long term. The reliability, economy and drive experience is unparalleled.

@areenkolekar1263 Ай бұрын

Confused btw Kia Sonet diesel auto and Xuv 3xo auto? Which one to buy??

@rishabh2854 Ай бұрын

Indian oil extra green diesel is also there so pollution is not prime reason to switch

@aneeshkanil9283 Ай бұрын

Is buying a used innova 2015 worth it?

@jashanvirsingh2166 Ай бұрын

Diesels will be first to gone , whether u agree or not it is fact

@Petrolhead11 Ай бұрын

Govt is making it harder for everyone even after being aware about EV infra in India. These uncertainties around policies affect resale values greatly.

@pkscorpion1433 Ай бұрын

Really miss the Ford 1.5 TDCi engine ❤

@vilaskulkarni3147 Ай бұрын

I second you forever! ❤ The bloodies just proved themselves fools ! Fords are so enjoyable to drive those have no parallels! I have had Ford Figo 2012 and then Ford Ecosports 2018, and I am still driving it..! Simply superb! 🎉

@PRO2358 Ай бұрын

hormazd is so knowledgeable and speaks sense to which normal customers can relate to!

@sudhirshinde0901 Ай бұрын

N companies too got relevance

@sathvikchaparala9437 Ай бұрын

Finally someone is talking about Engines rather than safety. People need to realize that engine is equally important as safety. If people complain about safety in suzuki, then they should even complain about engines in Tata. Nobody wants to burn their money in service centers. Indian brands need to know that how their service centers are looting money by adding unwanted things during service.

@abhimanyuchauhan1014 Ай бұрын

Dude sare engines thik hai .

@Atdtlrs Ай бұрын

Which tata car do u own?

@protograde2723 Ай бұрын

The BODY of the car takes more money than the ENGINE. A sh!tbox with a great engine is a DEATH TRAP! I won't shell out my hard earned money to buy a DEATH TRAP and I'm okay to spend more and get a TATA, VW, Skoda, etc. I don't mind paying for the repairs.

@MrDrone-qt6sw Ай бұрын

@sreeduttv6594 Ай бұрын

I had Tiago and I had driven 160000 kms in it with in 5 years No issues at all from engine

@bhaveshtekchandani7882 Ай бұрын

Probably one of the best autocar podcasts so far on KZfaq.This podcast should be remembered for a long , long time

@hormazdsorabjee6448 29 күн бұрын

Thank you :)

@uthkarshnaik6608 Ай бұрын

Also to note : electric doesn't make sense for performance/ purpose built two wheels, where weight is a big factor , either on track or off road. Battery technology isn't advanced enough to keep the weight down and offer range for recreation activities outside city limits. Yes electric scooters make alot of sense as it's limited mostly within cities as it's primary purpose is only comuting for point A to point B.

@MrKshitij Ай бұрын

Suzuki has an edge in petrol engine development. More so, the Japanese manufactures are pioneering the hybrid tech with Atkinson cycle petrol engines. I feel these will still be popular for 2 decades at least.

@chandermotwani3493 Ай бұрын

AISIN gearbox the 6 speed torque converter is a gem it's now being used by so many manufacturers. AISIN partially Owned by Toyota so it's quiet reliable as well. 🤘🏻💯

@kill3rbyysight 27 күн бұрын

NA engines are best especially of Hondas... they r masterclass... Raw power of Naturally Aspirated engine is unmatched... involvement is also great! Even companies like Lamborghini still goes with NA engines as they believe it gives the best experience!

@nahihai Ай бұрын

please do a podcast on 'Rear Wheel Drive Cars' -- we Indians have been deprived of RWD Sedans !! WHY. Word needs to get out!

@sasstudio7671 Ай бұрын

Its because RWD is expensive . Thats why it only starts from 60-70lakh

@Timmzzzz Ай бұрын

Cost- the one and only reason

@nahihai Ай бұрын

@@sasstudio7671 Maruti Omni is RWD, Maruti Eco is RWD, Bolero is RWD, Scorpio is RWD, Innova is RWD, -- if you don't know anything it is better not make fool out of yourself!

@monishm2128 Ай бұрын

Just feel that Ford produced such state of the art engines way ahead of time as dragon series 3 cylinder which was a lot better than many 4 cylinders including their own. Not just good efficiency and emission norms, it had class leading power torque figures and high revving nature with brisk performance. Tough luck Ford, now Maruti has done a similar engine bragging about every single thing about the Z series which you folks didn't do enough. Rip small diesels and small 4 cylinders ! - From a Zen MH410 fan 🙃

@Saahilll Ай бұрын

29:45 No doubt 1.5 iVTEC is best in the NA category but there is a need for turbo engines..Not offering it just because it's expensive seems like an excuse because brands like VW/Skoda are offering it right from base variant in their cars and other brands are offering it in their Compact Suvs at much lesser price..Honda should change their game before it's too late.

@raveendhana7084 Ай бұрын

Turbo is a choice but not a winner 🏆, 90 percent of the cretas sold are NAs

@Sheela9999 Ай бұрын

Turbo is way to save cost and increase maintinace cost and hence Honda avoids it

@ractube26 Ай бұрын

Is Honda being overly protective?

@Iamadisco_dancer Ай бұрын

This is one of the best podcast on engines..relatively sidelined topic by car enthusiasts! Big fan of Hormazd n autocar!

@muhammedsajid3329 Ай бұрын

Hormazd ... Loved the depth of the insights and everything that happens behind the scenes, including the iCN gear box... havent seen anything like this before.. my favorite topic "IC engines" Thanks a ton! Today onwards I am a big fan of yours. Would like to hear more on these topics no one really bothers to deep dive..

@jishnurishi7824 Ай бұрын

Have been watching autocar videos since very long time. But this must be the video which I enjoyed a lot. This is a really interesting topic for me. Thank you 🎉

@abhiram.b8848 Ай бұрын

Tata 's 1.2 L & 1.5 L GDI will address their engine issues and these two may be their last engines, coz the company is investing more into electric, H2 powertrains and so on.. Tata have strong plans for their future powertrains. But as per me, they should also invest into one more mpi (1.2L)motor which can power a wide range of cars in under 4m category (coz the 1.2L GDI will be more expensive) . Investing into a 1.2L mpi in 2024 will definitely make sense for tata motors. When it comes the performance of revotron petrols, they aren't so refined and power delivery is so so and reliability is okay..the reason for these issues is the age of that engine, the revotron was introduced in 2014. They have used the max. of that engine without much investments. Yeah, hope tata will address this in the future 🤞🏼

@vinitdeshmukh8062 Ай бұрын

What an informative podcast !!Great initiative from the Autocar team☺️ As an automotive enthusiast really enjoyed it.

@sergiusbarretto Ай бұрын

Thank you

@vijaymadanu4166 Ай бұрын

Excellent!!! thanks a lot for sharing so much of knowledge. Its helping us in purchase decisions. Gods of Automobile Knowledge, Pls continue such interesting content. Thanks Again. Looking forward to next saturday.

@anilkumarmo Ай бұрын

Superbly put through . Thanks for making it a simpler overview of a complicated topic for non technical folks too. Thank you

@vaskarnag9112 Ай бұрын

Great session as usual. Have become a fan of these podcasts. Great to see a session on engines when the decision is more and more driven by features and safety stars..

@ravisr3401 Ай бұрын

Was great listening to you both, especially Hormazd, I've just moved from City NA (1.5 iVTEC/CVT) to Carens Turbo Petrol (1.5/7DCT) . I must say I miss the flexible nature of that gem of Honda tech which almost sang in part throttle. Whereas turbo petrol in Carens is tuned for fuel efficiency and it's almost dead in lower rpms needs a lot of stick to be woken up and when it wakes up it's gets a move on. I was forced to move to Carens as my family outgrew the City.

@rhtblf1 Ай бұрын

Great podcast..listening to Hormaz and Sergius is such a pleasure...keep it up👍

@SK-ih2tk 25 күн бұрын

Excellent video. Great overview and forecast of all ICE’s. Absolutely loved it.

@shivasoumya Ай бұрын

Excellent discussions 🎉 Thank you guys

@bikezip Ай бұрын

Thanks fr infos , you guys r genius and passion is heard fr you .

@rohit_dalmia Ай бұрын

Very informative discussion! Loved it! Looking forward to more.

@jomyjoy5670 22 күн бұрын

Great video! Comprehensive and easy to understand

@mugeesshiekh Ай бұрын

Really some insightful content. Loved it ❤

@sachinjacob7233 22 күн бұрын

Enjoyed watching..great job Autocar team.. consider doing podcast on Transmission options available in India, the ADAS system, the Alternative Fuel Strategy in India (CNG, H-ICE, Fuel Cell, Flex Fuel) and the New Trend in the Infotainment and Instrument Cluster in new vehicles

@kunalchavan8073 Ай бұрын

Best detail on ICE and EV details loved this video for that AUTOCAR you are the best…

@sergiusbarretto Ай бұрын

Thank you

@arjunrajeev4916 Ай бұрын

I like the episode. So deep and precise.

@heshamalam7193 Ай бұрын

Congratulations to mr. Hormazd and mr. Sergius for a wonderful program. Look forward to a podcast on the different types of automatic transmissions available in the Indian market presently.

@sergiusbarretto Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@sudhakarkanapata7185 Ай бұрын

Learnt a lot . Nice vedios. One question. Are Korean IVT and honda CVT localised?

@vigyanhoon 10 күн бұрын

There should be a session on safety too.

@pkhammu2005 Ай бұрын

Brilliant discussion

@adityavisu Ай бұрын

@18:20 I believe Tata should have gotten some concessions from Fiat because they are in a JV, not only that they have manufactured engines for them and also they are their long time customers as well. So, Tata should have been given some leeway to modify those engines for their requirements. Just like what Aston Martin is doing with Mercedes AMG engines. (Caveat here is they got this permission post negotiation with Mercedes).

@Y.A.K.10001 Ай бұрын

Great informative video 👍🏼

@deepakkogundi352 Ай бұрын

Finally some great insights and thanks again for the podcast, can you take up on why not many plug in hybrids in India and what’s the road map like if any ? Thanks

@winstonnesh4730 Ай бұрын

These technicall podcasts are awesome

@heshamalam7193 19 күн бұрын

Dear mr hormazd and the autocar team please organise a podcast with an automobile engine designer. Lately there are many videos regarding sn+ grade engine oils for gdi automobile engines to prevent low speed pre ignition (LSPI). Will be grateful for more technical information on this subject. Also is LSPI and detonation the same. If they are different then please provide more insight. Thank you very much.

@vedprakashmishra6975 Ай бұрын

I like the comments and insight from Hormazd

@pratikmantri4616 Ай бұрын

Fantastic podcast! This has now become a weekly routine for me!

@sarveshlr110 28 күн бұрын

Do we have good recycle - disposal process and companies to deal with used batteries. Plz do an episode on this.

@damnoish 29 күн бұрын

Maruti's fuel efficiency is also a function of their cars' bodyweight.

@kakarla83 29 күн бұрын

Dear Suzuki Engines are great for Indian Market only, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka Because we use Wisley not ruff like Middle East, US and EU That's why Suzuki is good in our County

@praveshsrivastava4437 24 күн бұрын

Best podcast. never stop doing this

@ashiq1915 Ай бұрын

14:32 ,21:00,24:50....Mahindra, hyundai &kia, skoda & Volkswagen... The real state of the art powertrain makers🔥

@abhimanyulalotra1363 Ай бұрын

Hyundai should never have stopped giving diesel engines to verna and i20..the entire diesel engine companies on one side and hyundai diesels on another side..hyundai diesels are the only reason we love diesels

@sathishnikhom Ай бұрын

U need to explain how the 1litre Skoda or Vw engine is good? U say, u need to keep them raved for slow speeds, it's fuel economy is unpredictable and I found it is not good with vibrations at city speeds. They have removed the badging of TSI for 1litre. Is it not TSI now?

@Newbutold Ай бұрын

It's still TSI

@sunilchahar5905 Ай бұрын

would like a podcast on hot hatchbacks in India. Can we expect more powerful and fun engines like in the range of 200 hp in hatchback which is completely absent. Also comment on Hyundai i20 N line and the coming Tata Altroz Racer. Will Hyundai bring i20 N or ioniq N in India.

@pakhans Ай бұрын

That was an absolute brilliant run through ICE .....and it's future status in India.👌

@M4NA5 Ай бұрын

Hybrid engines will rule the world for the better part of next decade but here in India we will have to make do with 1 litre 3-cylinder turbocharged engines that are sub-par in every aspect.

@akshaychoudhary5815 Ай бұрын

Kia strategy was spot on and it won’t fade away anytime soon! They have established themselves as top 5 car makers of India. Numerous options, great design and features, good road presence; only thing they have to do is up the safety game!

@Moonlight-zp5rj Ай бұрын

Missing Isuzu MUX, Ford Everest, BYD, Vinfast, executive sedans. Any new brands planning to enter in India?

@SanthoshKumar-ye3sh Ай бұрын

Mahindra's investment in Korean car manufacturer SsangYong has paid them more dividends. The engines, gearbox, quality of the product, fit and finish is all because of the alliance they had with them.

@HunterVlog350cc Ай бұрын

tata’s 3 cylinder 1.2 is an awesome accelerator though❤❤

@dai_parama_padida 9 күн бұрын

Please please please do not stop making these kind of videos.

@svkcars6582 Ай бұрын

What a talk 👍

@akris4359 Ай бұрын

What's the point of fun driving on Indian cities...the avg speed is only 30km/hour.... For most bharatiyas ,mileage is only priority in bumper to bumper traffic

@abhijitkundu1879 Ай бұрын

I think with this upcoming engines adopted by Maruti Suzuki Swift is a bit experimental because they are collaborating and doing lots of studies behind to bring some good exaggerated gem of engine which will be equally refining without disturbing its NVH level in the near future and without compromising a hitch of performance 🌹

@fonsekhmaniya1687 29 күн бұрын

@autocarindia1- Next discussion on biofuels especially Hydrogen blend with CNG as part of Ministry of Road Transport and Highways to cut imported natural gas cost. More technical with easy understood discussion on Flex fuel future in next 5 years to support ICE engine ecosystem.

@vishnupillai300 Ай бұрын

The Japanese have shown us the right way of transfer from ICE to electric..Its not a sudden leap..The Hybrid tech has helped the ICE engines to stay longer..They are not going to leave us any time soon..Even in developed countries peopel still prefer hybrid cars for long distance travel because of the risks associated with the charging of electric vehicles..And for a Market like India cost effective hybrid will be a boon..And thats why I am looking forward to the series hybrid tech that Maruti is developing..

@arunstudd Ай бұрын

I think electric will be one among many fuel types. Hydrogen might be an option as well. The refilling time is similar to ICE and it needs a smaller battery. Again it’d be how green the hydrogen will be and I think big companies are investing in it.

@polmedhi9301 Ай бұрын

Lets do a pidcast on how synthetic fuels can give ICE a new lease of life

@ananthakrishnans2656 27 күн бұрын

When the discussion goes into VW, they joy to ride triumphs! The speakers switched to feel mode.

@narendrasistla Ай бұрын

Both Peugeot TUD5 and Fiat 1.3 MultiJet were fantastic engines

@hormazdsorabjee6448 29 күн бұрын

They certainly were!

@bikezip Ай бұрын

If the car drive becomes lifeless fr whatever reasons, then it's car driving is over. Respects to people who made driving a pleasure . ❤️🙏

@krishnachandramenon8 Ай бұрын

I have a good automatic diesel ameo, still enjoy it. But to cop up with the world, need more investment & research on MOTORS, Bettery chemistry, and 4C charging also; as I have a tiago.ev too. Also we should jot ave nokia feature phones while the world have smart phones.

@girishlaungani1334 Ай бұрын

EV is not the reliable product as we speak today but Hybrid seems more of a strategy Please discuss more on the Genisis brand and how is toyota looking at Fortuner.

@Moonlight-zp5rj Ай бұрын

If car manufacturers put these chairs in the third row, that would e the best 3rd row

@rajoosolanky780 Ай бұрын

Would buy a Hybrid because of Best of both ICE & EVs. It improves efficency hence affordable option.

@user-ee1os8tq1c Ай бұрын

Is the Hyundai Venue 1.0L Turbo engine a long stroke engine?

@prasulpradeep Ай бұрын

Nice

@Ojas20p Ай бұрын

ICE engines are engineering marvel!!!

@kiranreddy9087 Ай бұрын

Plz talk about ford diesel...

@abiramgurusamy1820 Ай бұрын

One suggestion to the Autocar team Why can't you make a podcast on how Tata Punch has become India's best selling car. Just want to understand when there's so much news around Tata's poor quality and lifeless engine how Tata managed to achieve the milestone which no other manufacturer was able to do I feel it's worth a podcast and a great case study Please try

@rakeshgoel515 24 күн бұрын

There are two types of ice engines Vw group and others They are just way ahead of the competition.

@raghavendra283 29 күн бұрын

33:28 there’s one completely local dca from Tata motors doing its job in altroz..

@hormazdsorabjee6448 29 күн бұрын

It’s not local. It’s the Punch DT1 7-speed wet clutch transmission

@invaliduser001 Ай бұрын

Sir what about force motors please make a video avout force motors 🙏

@dbss206 10 күн бұрын

nice

@vfrfandom3904 Ай бұрын

Offer people an option. In my opinion, a hybrid is a better option overall in terms of mileage than an EV since I'm not ready for an EV.I'm still driving my 2014 Mitsubishi Pajero strong after 3,10,000 kilometers! EVs will never be able to match it. A discussion on how this government would repeal the pointless legislation regarding internal combustion engines, vehicle scrapping, and other issues is what I would prefer to see and question the Government as leading House of Journalism

@ersojyn_one Ай бұрын

We should stop copying european emissions standards here. Those are too restrictive for an emerging economy like us. Proposed Euro7 standards are insane. If implemented as is in India, it would be a huge burden on our middle class.

@rallyworld3417 Ай бұрын

Europe should copy us, not us copying them

@ivancharlie9071 Ай бұрын

our decision makers for govt don't even do a proper research what common man want 🤔

@74osho 22 күн бұрын

Am kinda liking these podcasts... that parsi dude sure knows what he's talkin about. I bet he's holding a lot of M&M stock LOL

@Theeunseenart Ай бұрын

Ice still good as long it remains reliable, durable and easy to work on in long run.it should be simple and easy to work on.

@uaeindi Ай бұрын

When is BS7 coming. Can you please share some timelines for it.

@Nobody-hj6hh Ай бұрын

2028

@sergiusbarretto Ай бұрын

There isn't a timeline set as yet. With EVs in the horizon there's a lot of thought about if it's worth investing in another round of emission standards

@BrijeshKumar-pn1lg Ай бұрын

CNGs are still a good option for more running

@youtubecommentator8120 Ай бұрын

I want to buy a petrol suv.. Honda elevate or scorpio n or Hyundai alcazar?

@divyanshbhutra5071 Ай бұрын

I think Indians need to understand how bad Electric Vehicles are. Everything is dictate controlled. If a car company decides, they can brick your car. If they decide, they can install software on your vehicle that drains the battery faster, similar to a phone. And yes, these practises may not be happening now, but in the future, it's guaranteed this will happen, to artificially boost car sales. Companies need to please investors and not consumers.

@U30Torq09 Ай бұрын

how reducing ones car battery life through companies by installing different malfunctions in their own cars will boost car sales??? Rather it will harm companies reputation,,, as in long term review,, in near future, market will adapt to battery functions and its maintenance like a local shop would be able to rectify issues... Every time competition evolves around the technology itself....

@umtatraining Ай бұрын

IC engines are history - is there any point in developing anything new here? Even if EVs don’t penetrate the Indian market to that extent, there is hardly any point in wasting money on new IC engines, as ever tightening emission norms will make this tech redundant. Most manufacturers will just carry on with the existing tech - developing anything new in ICE is like throwing good money after bad...

@vedrerao212 9 күн бұрын

You didn't talk about Bolero which I feel is phenomenal. It is more than 25 yr old.

@ArunSinghDhaliwal Ай бұрын

ICE engines still rules & here to stay

@arunkottolli 24 күн бұрын

The only option of ICE cars are to go hybrid - build cars with high fuel efficiency

@nishanthmusica Ай бұрын

You've forgotten the great Ford's 1.5(D) on Aspire,Figo... One Hundred HP & 26-28Kmpl if you drive below 110KMPH..190KMPH and still there's some stamina..woww!!!

@areenkolekar1263 Ай бұрын

Confused btw Kia Sonet diesel auto and Xuv 3xo auto? Which one to buy??

@deepbanerjee6806 Ай бұрын

Given the size of our country and the long distances we love to travel on our holidays, ICE will be there for a while. Absolutely correct when you say we will be the last men standing on the ICE engines. It is important for manufactures to concentrate on the demand of this country and not impose Global Strategies to India.

@hritamnath4919 Ай бұрын

Honda, give us the Civic back, please 🥺🙏

@apjkalam 10 күн бұрын

These batteries of hybrid cars … are they environmentally friendly when they will be disposed ?

@sarabjeetsinghmanchanda1468 Ай бұрын

Since no company is investing in new engines,why they cannot pick best engines and use them in all their cars.for example 1.5 diesel from hyundai.2.2 diesel from mahindra.1.5 petrol from maruti or Hyundai etc.

@hk4848 Ай бұрын

india being a land of marvellous engineers and engineering colleges producing greatest minds, its a pity that we cannot develop a transmission of our own, like ASIN or a engine like that of Fiat or a world class made in India transmission running global cars.

@jayanthmakam4547 Ай бұрын

Mahindra's Scorpio n/XUV 700 engines are way way better than fiat mutijet engine

@deepmoychatterjee3885 Ай бұрын

It will never happen. Our country believes in made in other countries products more than made in India. Plus, majority of the engineers are looking for jobs in sectors where they can earn quick money. How many of them wants to be in the core industries? Automobile/automotive industry is so small scale it's hard for freshers to take a piece of it. Our country also doesn't support automotive enthusiastic culture. That is the reason media talks about 10" screens inside a so called "SUV" rather than talking about how much power it makes. So, bottom line, our country is never going to make any original engines, or cars like mazda miata which are fun to drive, or awesome transmissions, or aftermarket performance parts.