In Cell you also can direct a specific place for every hot: Create a new Indicator, name it like "hot 1" add the spell ID, set up the anchor point. Do this X times and you have all your hots on fixed places. If you play multiple healers you can also add for example Reju, RM, Riptide to "hot 1" so you don´t have this work for every spec

Jak can you make a guide on how to set up cell?! That would be amazing.

If Jak made a video on a step by step guide on exactly how to set up both cell AND the changes that are needed in edit mode, I'd be sold, but I'm not computer savvy enough to figure it out by myself.

I have been loyal to Vuhdo for 7 years, but navigating through the 90s Vuhdo menu is a nightmare. I think I might take a look at Cell.

CELL all the way. Switched recently and holy shit, it has everything and replaces 5 addons/weakauras

I was showing a friend who was a dps only player how to use healing frames in order to cast their targeted support abilities (brez, misdirection/tricks, bop etc.). This lead me to switch off my current raid frames I was using for Cell as I saw Jak testing them on stream and it was much more new user friendly for them and still being as customizable as I needed it to be as a long time user of healing frames.

best way imo to test ui things like this is to queue follower dungeons! good video idea jak. I'm a grid boy but i definitely get the sentiment.

I switched yesterday when a guildy told me about it and I’m already in love with it. I’ve used healbot for 10 years and I was ready to drop it within hours of having cell. The raid debuff section almost instantly sold me on it. It’s such a pain to set up in healbot. Cell has all the debuffs for raids and dungeons sorted by bosses in a list and you just enable/ disable what you want to see. You can also set up a hot key to black list debuffs right off the raid frame when they pop up. It’s amazing

Been using cell for a while, and not being able to sort myself in a specific spot was driving me nuts, was gonna ask how, but you explained that they added the feature in the end. What I find really annoying is that there isn’t a profile sort of section where u can select different profiles for different characters, you can only make changes based on roles. For example you can’t disable showing party on one character and enable it on another. If you disable it in one spot its disabled for all other characters too. I try to work around it by just not loading cell on characters that aren’t healers, but its super awkward. I sometimes heal on my paladin, but most of the time i want cell frames hidden as I use another frame for dps.

Malea. He is a priest player from northern sky. His grid2 profile is the single best party/raid frame I have ever healed with. The way it tracks certain buffs is perfect for me. The entire hp bar changes colour when they have atonement on them for example. So you can quickly see who didnt get tagged with it because they are a completely different colour, rather than trying to see who is missing an icon. I have gone from using Elv ui frames, vuhdo, stock blizz frames and stuck on his grid2 profile. It is one of those addons that is 100000% modular and granular. And out the box it is a steaming pile of shit. Have a gander at some of his boss kills and you will see it in action.

heard u talking about cell a few weeks ago and tested it myself. Was a long time vuhdo user, too, but haven't looked back. Cell seems very intuitive and well thought through. Thx for the rec! Looking forward to the guide/optimization video.

Healer frame type stuff aside, If you want to limit your FPS drops / frame lag as much as possible and have a smooth framerate during raid (assuming you have adequate RAM etc), I'd highly recommend using one of the X3D Processors from AMD (5800x3d, or 7800x3d, etc). The extra L3 cache on them hard carries FPS on wow since it's such a CPU heavy game that can utilize the 3D V-cache tech well. I basically never drop below 100 FPS in raid now, and I'm typically at 130+, even during bloodlust when there are a lot of mechanics going out. The difference was unreal.

Vuhdo main as well for as long as I can remember but this video was super interesting and helpful. I'm going to give Cell a try. I'm glad I got a quick preview of all the other addons so I don't have to bother struggling setting them up just to test them my self.

The one thing I've always looked for in regards to sorting is the one VuhDo does that sorts by Tank > Melee > Ranged > Healers. I really like to know when a player is melee or ranged because some spells are better at handling certain scenarios better. And it also helps me find people on my raid frames for certain mechanics faster since some only target 1 or the other. I haven't found any other healing addon that does this yet.

Bloody love add-on review videos! So important but they can take so much work. Thanks Jak!

Weak auras is very optimized and you can anchor buffs/debuffs to raid frames. So you can even add special textures or glows or sizes to specific buffs, have priority, or really whatever. For me, raid frames are just health bars, weak auars manages all my buffs, debuffs, defensives, etc. Happy to show you have if you message. It's quite easy.

I'm giving Cell a go after seeing it on your stream, moving away from Elvui/Grid2. I got Shadowed Unit Frames to handle player, target, focus frames, etc., and it feels pretty good

Thank you Jak. I have used healbot for as many years as it's been around, but only because I had a hard time figuring out the other addons and have always longed for something similar to healbot. Cell looks like it might be one that I can switch to and figure out, yay

I've been meaning to switch from Vuhdo for a while but so far I have not found an other raidframe addon that has the ability to move groups within a raid separately. I really love to use this feature when the raid has to split like 1-3 right 2-4 left etc. and I can just move group 1-3 next to each other quickly, so there are not 'gaps' between the groups that are actually in range to me.

The last time I tried cell, the biggest negative was not being able to have my frame first in the list. If this is possible now, I might give it a go for a bit.

This year when I became a full time healer I went away from the base ui frames. In the past I have had elvui. This year I gave Grid2 a shot and I know your thoughts on it. I admit its very hard to learn it and I myself used another profile but in the 6 months I have had it I have made it my own and learned all there is. I agree its for the type of person that wants everything in its place which I do like. Good thing in War Within is that with all the classes getting reworks I can go to wowhead and bring up defensives and add them to a defensive cooldown indicator. Only need the spell ID really. I can make my frames go certain colors based on what debuff they have like poison but only on the class that can dispell which is very helpful. I can make earth shield stacks for resto, you name it. On cell you have layouts and in Grid2 they are called themes which do the same when you enter raids or group content. I like that if you set your buff and devuff indicator size as a % of your frame they shrink to the right size in a raid which I only learned this last few months. Its good for every healer to have a top notch addon that they like and I wuld not want to change peoples minds. I just like Grid2. :D

Ditched Elvui a couple of months ago. The default is much better now and I would recommend trying it.

Cell is great. After like 13 years of Healbot i was finally done with its shenanigans and super unintuitive settings. Haven't looked back a single time. One of the things i really like about Cell for M+, is that it has a builtin list and auto display for all important debuffs from bosses and trash. It's also very easy and intuitive to set up. The only thing I'm really missing is castbars. Also missing: sounds on dispellable debuffs but i solved that with a Weakaura.

I swapped to Cell from Vuhdo/clique for Cata Classic, and really enjoying it for all roles, especially healer.

Cell looks fantastic, can't wait for your guide that sounds immensely helpful. Never really played healer seriously but I wanna get my UI working better

Default raid frames can show more than three buffs at a time if you make the frames wider. I've got my dungeon frames setup to show five atm.

I never really click casted so Vuhdo was just not for me, so I used Grid2 since the original Grid came out. The complexity of it was immense, but after 15+ years of using i was used to it, so it wasn't bad. Switched to cell a few months ago and ya the difference is night and day. Cell is the only healing frames I can happily recommend to people that just works well out of the box, but also has all of the customization you would want out of unit frames.

love the eye rolling in the grid section

I’ve used Healbot since I started healing at end of Panda, tried VuhDo in Shadowlands and hated that one, so I didn’t dive any deeper into the other addons. Cell looks like it is more intuitive so I’ll probably check it out before TWW. Thanks for the video Jak.

I've been thinking of switching to cell since you were playing with it on stream. I like the fact that they have per spec settings and raid vs party settings! I've been playing holy for m+ and raid and having to change keybinds

I just switched to Cell from VuhDo a few weeks ago and grabbed Growl's import and I will never look back.

I’ve try most of them, grid, grid2, vuhdu, cell, suf and probably some other on past. Suf - just work bad for heal. Vuhdu, have biggest impact for fps, really bad settings, and some problems back time to time. Grid - love it but no longer supported Grid2 - is good, low impact on fps, a lot of settings,small details, a setup can be hard like vuhdu. sometimes triggered me, but it’s really good. For start, before u know it, it’s good to get nice string like from madskillz for example. Cell - fine for start, very easy for setup. Looks great. Low impact on fps. But sometimes makes me angry. For last 4 years in 80% of time I play with elv ui, and works well. May be not perfect, but with elv I have lover numbers of issues. Can set mostly everything I need as a heal.

I like how your UI moves everything to the corners and edges, and keeps the center of the screen clear and uncluttered.

Wow, you have sold me on Cell. Been wow healing for all of the 20 years. I think I swapped from clique/grid to vuhdo in 2012 or so. I'll be making it a focus these next couple months to set up and learn Cell!

Gonna be maining a healer for the first time. This video was what I needed. Gonna look into cell

Although pretty much all my problems with Vuhdo went away when I turned off the combat log parsing (it was awfully lagging on M Tindral), It is an ancient mod, no matter how we look at it. It has always bothered me that the number of frames don't get updated in combat (for like world bosses and such), and that every class needs their own party and raid profiles set up so that the addon remembers your keybinds, so perhaps it's time for a change.

I've been a healbot user since BC, and I do not think I will change now, but its always good to know the alternatives. Thanks for the video!

The only reason I haven't switched wholesale over to Cell is because I can't seem two find two important functions: 1) Health Bar Colored by Debuff - Blue Health Bar for magic, green for poison, etc. The Debuff section only seems to let you color the outline of the Debuff Icon, which isn't that helpful at a glance. 2) ELVUI-style block-color indicators, instead of spell icons. I dont want or need to see my Echo Icon 25 times. It helps visual clarity just to see a yellow block ticking down, versus an icon fading away. If anybody knows how to make this happen, or, hey, if a Cell Dev is reading this - hook me up

I dont want to deal with addons as much as possible and healing beyond a certain level seems to almost require it so I actually quit my priest despite having fun on it for this reason. Its really frustrating that you basically NEED addons to see any of these extra options. Oh well.

Cell is great. Have run into a few small speedbumps like smartcasting buffs (or the lack of them) and showing multiple auras on yourself.. but nothing that cant be fixed via pairing the frames with weakauras.

i swapped to standart ui like 2 weeks ago and i liked it alot over elvui but raidframes where pretty off, thanks for showing me cell its an absolute gamechanger

So glad you did this video! Recently, I was thinking about trying Vuhdo again but wasn't sure I wanted to fight through the menus. I've been wanting to get back into healing because it's a part of the game that I miss (I usually end up tanking for friends a LOT). I would also be very interested to hear if you replace Elv UI! It does a lot, but like you mentioned, it decreases performance.

Amazing talk as usual, for my part i was trying all of those on my healing spec, and yeah thebest by far in my opinion was Vudho. Now im working on cell also for TWW and we'll see how its going. Thanks for the video Jak, always a pleasure to watch and learn.

Great video, I am going to give Cell a try. I have been using the same elvui profile since legion and even though I know it is subpar at this point, it is hard to try something new. Cell looks like I can set up the way I like without all the pain points or crazy high learning curve.

so true about the whole grid section! I understand why people like it to a degree but I just felt like the whole time messing around and setting it up I had absolutely no idea what I was actually doing and that it really wasnt the right fit for me or anyone I reccommend a frame addon to.

I've been using a custom Grid profile that I had to setup and tweak over the course of several weeks to get to a point where I was happy with it. After watching this video, I tried using Cell, and it's pretty good with zero configuration, but lacking a few things that I would need to replace Grid - layouts by raid size (I use 20/30/40) and more control over positioning and anchor points. I would definitely recommend Cell to anyone who doesn't want to bother with a bunch of configuration, though.

Getting back into WoW and this video's been really informative. Thanks for taking the time out to make it. As a casual healer, I've never ventured beyond Elvui and the settings i imported from a friend since i found it a bit jarring to set up. Cell looks really interesting though so I'll definitely switch to it. Few questions though: 1. Would you recommend Cell for you non-healer characters too? 2. I noticed your action bars remained the same across all addons tested. You're using a different addon for that? 3. Would cell work for party frames as well when doing M+? I saw the raid frames but i think i missed the UI look for M+ Also, if it's not too much to ask, could you please share the list of addons you're using for your UI. It looks really clean and uncluttered. Definitely something I'd like to emulate for my healing profile. Cheers :)

I use grid2 but I'd say the most important thing is using what your comfortable with. I do think if I was getting into healing today, I might just stick with the base UI. But I'm so used to Grid2 now that whenever I try to deviate my usual addons, chaos ensues.

Hey Jak, would have been interesting to also see Plexus in that video :P

Recently switched to cell from grid. All set up they are pretty much the same but I really like the little extra features cell offers. I didn't mind the setup complexity of grid. Cell is a breath of fresh air though.

Been a Vuhdo user since i started healing during Legion. But boy oh boy is the interface for it clumsy and buggy and unintuitive and, at least for me, required a lot of trial and error to get stuff working. Just so that it sometimes can bug out so that i have to reload mid fight to even be able to use it. Worst offender in my opinion is the heavy toll it takes on my fps, have like twice as much fps when i go ele and don't load it. So yeah, this video comes at the perfect time, cause i since long wanted to get another healing addon, but didnt know which. Cell looks pretty promising to be my new healing addon though, thanks for showing it off :)

The comments about how complex and menu-ridden Grid is caught me very off guard given that you were previously a Vuhdo user. Every time I've tried to setup Vuhdo, I've repeatedly gotten completely lost trying to navigate its absolute mess of a settings menu. It seemed as though the buttons on the settings UI didn't do remotely what it said they would and trying to find a setting oftentimes felt like a 20 minute game of hide-and-seek lol Cell seems cool though! I'll have to try it out

I guess its time to move on. Been using Vuhdo since BFA. And one of the issues I most disliked was how I needed to create a new profile in order to keep the addon centered while the party grew in size. So I had M+ Drakthyr, Raid up to 15 as another profile and then the up to 40 as a 3rd profile just so it stayed centered while the player frames became smaller.

Looking forward to that cell guide!

Been using elvui for the past 8 years or so, switched to Cell earlier this year and I love it. I axed elvui completely because I also found that I use less and less features of it. I have a weakaura that hides blizzard holy power (because i have it showing via another weakaura) and play with natty UI, weakauras, plater, and Cell now. i am running around with so much more fps now =D Only weird thing tiny things that I forgot came from elvui such as auto repair, auto sell greys, see enchants on gear. If anybody has a nice lightweight weakaura or addon that shows me my enchants and gems on my gear hmu =)

I used Grid until Grid2 surpassed it. Low latency is the major bonus. Being a multiclass healer, and forced by my guild to use Grid back in the day for raiding ( it allowed us to see what other healers were casting when no other raid frames did that at the time) I suppose I learned the ins and outs of grid faster. Grid2 is still my go-to but Cell looks interesting. I was always amazed how popular Vuhdo eventually became. Change is a good thing.

How did you miss "Raid Frame Settings" for default UI? It answers almost all of your problems! I use it and was healing 27s last season with it!

I just love Grid2. I know it's kinda hard to learn but once you get used to it you'll never gonna drop it. My Grid does exactly what i want it to do.

I use Grid2 and it takes a lot of work and knowledge to setup and if you're comfortable with the complexity required for the customizability of it, it's great.

Thought about trying cell, but it's too complicated. I want my set up to look exactly like Jak's, but you'd have to not only setup cell, but change everything in edit mode as well and I have no idea how I'd go about doing that. It's too much work for too little reward. You can't even set up horizontal party frames with the basic UI, so I'm stuck healing with vertical party frames because I have no choice. I downloaded cell, and deleted it within 5 minutes because I started having anxiety thinking I'd accidentally mess something up on my current UI and wouldn't be able to fix it. I was really wanting this to work.

Any reason HealBot didn’t get a mention? Thinking about going back to heals for TWW after many years of dps. HealBot is what I’ve used back in the day and still use it to casually test healers.

As a Vuhdo user, I moved to Cell a few months ago and outside a few issues with it not recognizing a spell or two, it's been great. I think they did a great job taking what Vuhdo was good at and modernizing and simplifying it.

@AutomatikJak I believe this video will be watched and revisited quite a few times over the next months/years. So I would suggest adding chapters to the video. I'll try to add them in the comment here for now. 0:00 Intro 0:12 Current use of vuhdoo 1:55 Cell 5:30 Default Raidframes with Enhanced Raidframes & Big Debuffs 8:22 Grid2 10:50 ElvUI 13:26 Before I forget: Cell + Clique and more

Loving cell... can't believe I may actually switch!!! How does healing adds work with cell? The click-casting does not function outside of cell.... so when I click on an add to heal them it does nothing... is there a work around for that besides clique or using in-game click casting?

Swapping to Cell has been a wonderful experience for me.

I need to be able to sort the party by role. Tank always on top, me (healer) always on bottom. And vuhdo is just too annoyingly complicated to learn. I use ElvUI and i basically only use it for the raid frames. I love them. I like to have specific buffs and whatnot in specific places. I like being able to just see, out of the corner of my eye, if a buff is up because its in a specific spot on the frame

I used default raid frames with bigger buffs / erf all of df, just recently switched to cell after trying grid and elv - but they were just too complicated to set up in my opinion... cell is easy to set up, but also the out of the box experience is great - will be my go-to for next expac for sure

i used Cell for Wotlk classic when i was healing, and it was really good.. But then i stopped healing and went back to retail DPS so swapped to elvui at the same time.

Cell is pretty good, though it's still missing a bunch of big features Vuhdo has, such as hostile frames - essential for DPS'ing while healing. Good to know there's a close contender if Vuhdo support ever stops.

I think I only used grid because it was what I was used to from ages back. Giving Cell a go now as it seems way more customizable. I agree with elvui, I only ever used it because I disliked the defauly unitframes but having healed for a tier or two and also using plater I was like why am I still using elvui lol.

Huh? Grid has a priority system for buffs/debuffs where you can move things up and down, just by clicking arrows.

Healbot needs to be on this list. Healbot is what I’ve used for yearsssss and does everything you need. Healbot #1!

I tried cell, but switched back to VuhDo. The main reason is that in VuhDo I can hide the addon when I make a profile for DPS. Cell doesn't have a hide function per profile.

Interesting no test of Healbot. It is very similar to others though.

I am curious as to your opinion on Healbot. I know it is not a Full Frame replacement, but still one of my favorites.

I’ve been using healbot for as long as I remember. Wrath maybe? It’s tough for me to move from because I’ve had my preferred setup established for so long. Out of range opacity is a big thing for me.

I want to love default frames but at a bare minimum they need one addon (bigdebuffs) and weakauras (e.g. defensives on raidframes) to be usable.

I was using Vuhdo since forever. Switched to Cell after Growl's video. Never going back

Grid2 + Clique =Win!

Being a Healbot user, I feel like left out... 😌😌 But then again, I don't heal high keys or raids, thanks to Blizz for the obvious reason. 😑😑

I've been enjoying ElvUI + Blizzard Click Casting for most of Dragonflight. Though I've tried out Cell and absolutely love it. I guess ElvUI is really just doing my unit frames and chat frames now - I've turned skins off for almost everything else. I'll poke around your channels for the info but I'm curious what you're using for your unit frames paired with cell

Was on Vuhdoo niddle since end Wotlk - tonns of useless information comes through new expansion but every time just thought about all this settings in new addon seems a real nightmare. But laggs on Tyndral was last and guildy aug said me about "new easy frames" - cell and i was astonished by difference in setting vs vuhdoo. Now im still in a way to finale set it up before patch but for new player totally recommended Cell up on vuhdoo.

Grid2 is the best once you put in the effort to learn how to use it, but yeah it defs has a steep learning curve.

Big fan of healbot because it has a built-in click style function, but it does feel dated. We also keep getting fights with outside targets, and that never works on healbot.

Grid is absolutely ancient, the original Grid has been around since vanilla I think and it honestly mostly looks and works the same still. It's archaic but it's quite powerful and I've been using it for forever so there's not much reason to swap, although Cell does have my curiosity peaked.

I got so tired of the addons messing up I went to just clique and enhanced raid frames. Super low ram cost and get all the info you need

Finally found a great set of frames thanks to this video. I highly recommend Cell!

As always great review video. Definitely going to give cell a shot. As much as I enjoyed vuhdo, it will be nice to use something more streamlined

At 15:20 you say you can make yourself always appear in the same place in raid frames in CELL could you let me know how to do that Please?

Awsome intro to Cell. Thanks ^^

Great review, thanks for taking the time to make it! Does Cell allow you to bind stuff to scrolling mouse wheel up and down?

So is cell more lightweight than ELvUI and VuhDo frames? As long as its features are concerned, it has everything the other two have and its much easier to set up. Although I dont need to set up the other two anymore, since I have explored and tweaked all of their features and have settled down to specific profiles. So for me it comes down to whether cell has less of a spaggetti code than the other two.

Funny you didn't tried Healbot which is by far the most used healing addon (outside of grid/elvui). I find it quite easy to configure while still being powerfull and letting you customize what you want such as buff and hots placement. Only thing I can't make work is an overshield bar, if someone knows how ...

I had the exact same experience vuhdo vs. Grid 2. I am good with vuhdo and I have also used in since WoD, but Cell... maan it just looks so much less hassle. So I think I might need to do a bit of a rework, looking at you and Growl playing with it and it looks much smoother in many ways.

Hi. Great content as usual. I've been using healbot for years now but nobody talks about it much. It works for me but am I missing something? IS there some disadvantage I don't know about? Thinking about changing and so surious what people have to say about it.

A better, more modern version of Grid is Aptechka. Might be worth trying out.

i loved vuhdo, but holy shit it was so bad in amidrassil. It straight-up couldn't handle treants spawning on larodal, so I switched to grid, but I missed out-of-box debuff showing (e.g. in m+) that vuhdo had

Grid is really nice for resto druid, otherwise it's average.

At start i used Grid then i switch to standart Blizz Frames 😅 it works with clique and other weakauras and addons

I made my own UI addon so worth it. It's exactly what I want.