Totally agree. Much prefer the 805D4 to the usual competition from Wilson, Magico etc. Having said that, this Avid speaker certainly looks the business. Will be keen to listen to a pair. Always love british loudspeakers.

I don't know why either, I think they should be

That is a great question because there is a big difference between a manufacturer spec says and what you get from a speaker in a room for bass. I have measured over a hundred speakers and subwoofers in that many room and this kind of response or worse is what you always get because the room dominates. So when people say my speaker does X because this is what the spec sheet says they are not seeing the bigger picture and I wished more people like me reviewers etc showed their room responses because it would educate more people. What people think they are listening to and the reality is always shockingly different,. Whats also interesting is what you cant see from this graph and that is the bass decay time, the treatment lowers the decay time a lot. In fact because of how human hearing works a lot of bass especially at deeper frequencies is better and because it decays fas in my room I can get away with having more of it. I talk about this all the time, my room likes more bass than it should for its typical size because of the treatment allows me to have it. There is no bass boom at all where I sit and you think it would be horrendoud from that graph. The graph is showing the overall behaviour of the speaker in my listening area so its a little different but more truthful I think. The no boom is also partly because most speakers dont really have much output where the room is boosting the most 30hz ish. And most music doesn't have much content there either so you dont hear it like the graph shows you. When it is there because the bass weaves are so large its ok in my room but my front door really rattles as that is how far the bass is travelling due to the size of the wave being created. However if I engage the RELs then you start getting more boom at certain frequencies. Before I had all this treatment and understanding I real issues getting good sound in this room. That is what started me on the path to learning all about it. The room still sucks really but they generally all do :)

@@PursuitPerfectSystem great reply Terry. I just invested in the Umik-1 and a play with REW. I was initially shocked with the 20dB dips and peaks using ATC active 50s. The measurements allowed me to dial my REL S1 in. Decay 60 around 400ms for my classical music preference was pleasing to see. I really appreciate how much there is to room acoustics!

Yeah 400ms is good and its great your looking into it. REW is brutal on the audiophile though and it can make you obsess over graphs. Be careful of that because its a dark path that doesn't guarantee the results you expect. Well it didnt for me but that could be for a number of reasons. I have done experiments using Dirac to make REW graphs look good and I was not doing the listening so could not be biased. The Dirac target had to be really weird to make the REW graph look pretty and it didnt sound good by all accounts which is no surprise but also very encouraging me for and what I do :)

@@PursuitPerfectSystem good on you mate for such a thorough and thoughtful answer!! This is why I watch you , cheers from Australia

Hahaha I like the sound track :)

That would be one the comparisons prospective buyers should do for sure

Guess we will have to disagree with what you say is fact. Vinyl to me is so much better.

I only have a cd player in my system! I like it that way.Got rid of all my vinyl!

I asked them about that and they said they tuned them with varied sources to sound just the best they can get them, no real design agenda. They designed them technically aesthetically and then computer modelled the crossover and then did the rest by ear . One would assume vinyl was important for their listening testing given they make just a few turntables

No Specific reason, I did go and see them a few years ago with a view to doing some work with them but it never happened. Some companies are very slow to embrace the KZfaq scene,. That is changing it seems but this is an industry with a lot of people who have worked in it for a very long time. They all know each other and naturally work a certain way. People like me regardless of what I do sometimes get overlooked. Its very frustrating but I accept it as part of it and there are lots of great companies keeping me busy so i cannot complain.

maybe with the wrong system possibly yes

Thats an in room response you cant judge the port from that as the bass is all room dictated

@@PursuitPerfectSystem, Avid’s claims for their drive unit clamping system are nonsense. I’m not saying there can’t be a benefit from such an arrangement but it’s nothing to do with isolating the drivers from the cabinet (which is how you described it). The clamps don’t provide any more isolation that just bolting the driver to the baffle (that much is basic engineering).

As I said in the video I cant test that, I will take their word for it as I dont see why they would do it otherwise as it adds a lot of cost. After listening to a lot of speakers where you very much hear the cabinet you dont with these to a large degree which I dare say is the combination of quite a few things, I say some I am sure is the TMT system. Its also possible I didn't explain the design 100% correctly too its been school holidays so I had to shoot this one at 11pm at night when the house quietened down. I was not coffee fuelled up like normally am as I normally shoot in the mornings

Yes Morel drivers are used in all Avid speakers

very tough question that, bluetooth ones for sure but for an odd reason. I have a video coming soon about it

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Alright, will be looking forward to it :)

The only WB speakers I have listened to properly is the P1. The AVID sound clearer edged more high resolution sounding and more lively in the top end. The WB are more rolled off going for a smoother sound so sound more reserved. The AVID are quite a bit more expensive

Disagree with what? The cabinet design there is different ways to skin a cat and these and Harbeth are chalk and cheese different sounding speakers

Harbeth speakers beg to be chucked on the bonfire. On second thoughts, don't do that. They'll suck the life out of the bonfire.

I mixed this video a little hotter in the bass for my voice compared to usual, a tiny bit more but that is the only change. What are you experiencing as an issue with the sound please? Thanks. I generally test my videos on my phone and or ipad and if the sound is ok on them it gets a pass so please do let me know

At the moment I am reviewing some high end headphones and I am using them to make my videos and the sound seemed all ok through my testing. I check and manually adjust any clipping which takes hours

Terry it's definitely not a pass and it's not clipping what makes a problem. Such a high caliber reviewer as yourself should always check quality on headphones not ipad. You have overcooked it this time. Meaning that there are artifacts in your voice especially when you pronounce consonants. I thought that your mic was too close or preamp was set louder. Next time just make it more natural sounding meaning that only very quite breathing should be heard but never loud lips smacking. You are not talking to ladies ear on the date Terry but audience behind camera. Take care and sorry for critics but sometimes someone must do it so we become better

I mastered the video using Mark Levinson 5909 on a wire from a MAC Studio so tested the sound on a good setup. These are headphones on review but they are clearer sounding than the apple airpods max I have been using so I adjusted my sound work flow accordingly (adjusted the bass slightly). Once the video is uploaded I test it on phone speakers because that is the worst source a person will use to watch the video so its the minimum quality standard sound check. To be honest I have been doing the same thing for sound for months now, I do apply a slight mid and treble lift to help produce a clearer vocal from my deep voice. I did not change that process so I dont know what happened here thats different. Mic is the same pre amp same same level same but feedback taken on board thanks for coming back to me it helps.

I understand everything Terry. I worked in the studio in your country. This time levels are bit too much or something else happened. It's okay. Next time just lower adjustments slightly and it should be fine.

I did 2 speaker super group tests of affordable speakers a couple of years ago and others too. But not many YT reviewers are trusted to review gear at this level and I like to do it

its a way of having a fine level of control and sometimes you just want a tad more. I have reviewed 50-60 speakers at least at loads of price points none have been perfect so having extra control can always help

@@PursuitPerfectSystem there is no perfect speaker I've been in audio for 35 years but you can get close without add ons for a reasonable price. But I get your point