And it was Hamilton who convinced Washington to grant asylum to Genet.

Alex Kyriacou Great men do such things.

@@MrAlexkyra that is crazy

This was back when even men of opposition parties could see the value in acting with mercy and honor. How far we’ve fallen...😔

@@timesfire Back when people owned slaves, dueled and beat eachother up in congress?

Agree. It really does help you understand their mindset in situations

What's the name of the series? Is it John Adams?

@@ariannadavici yes. It was an HBO mini series.

The accents help too.

I remember in 2009, my family went on a fishing trip. The cabin had a small TV and DVD player. I rented the John Adams miniseries, thinking that we would watch a couple episodes every night after fishing. After the first day of fishing we watched the first two episodes. The next day we woke up and instead of fishing we spent the day watching the miniseries because we were hooked. Good times.

Forget leading the Continental Army and being the President... the fact he fought in the French & Indian War, which easily rivals the barbarity of the Eastern front and the Pacific Theater in WW2, would scare the shit out of anyone. That man did bad things when he was younger.

Washington was well respected by any country really

30 And Hating It That explains how he lost all his teeth

That’s why he was a capable leader. He spoke calmly, plainly, and frankly. He probably seldom needed to repeat himself. People just seemed to want to do what he wanted them to. He led by a quiet, no nonsense method. During the Constitutional Convention, it’s said a stern look from him, with nothing said, was all it took to quiet noisy groups of delegates.

@@30AndHatingIt how bad was the French and Indian war??? I dont know much about it

This is the moment Washington became Heisenberg. Bravo Vince!

@@nicholasstokes8739Cringe

@@Wadiyatalkinabeet_ This is the moment the overused unfunny joke got even less funnyberg. Bravo me!

Washington had a strict and commanding presence. He seldom became openly angry, and had a way of quietly getting his point across. The French ambassador was simply being willfully oblivious to the cues.

@@nicholasstokes8739end

Better than captain Picard's facepalm

We signed a treaty with a king whose head is now in a basket, Would you like to take it out and ask it? "Uh, should honor our treaty, King Louis' head?" "Uh, do whatever you want. I'm super dead!!"

I love Hamilton 🤣🤣...

Maybe he despises jacobins

I mean its likely since Lafayette, a good friend of Hamilton is a moderate, which means he didnt desire to execute the king of france, either to make him a constitutional monarch or just strip louis of his kingship

Yes, I loved that phrase aswell.

@Dennis Hopper We all know Hamilton wanted to look like a savior to Genet, in a way of saying, "Your welcome."

@@jamesperryii9994 has Hamilton told you that?

@@realworldforum Do you think I really care what he really thought about and why he did that for Genet? Seriously, I only made that comment because it just seemed funny how Hamilton, based on the comment thread, was a major influence for Washington to make such a move, and acted so helpful towards his french opponent.

Did you copy and paste that from his Wikipedia page good sir?

@@jackminecraft8720 I was gong to use the Encyclopaedia Britannica version but the Wiki version was identical but shorter.

Oh yes jumping in on the war could have lead to the destruction of America.

Beautiful explanation! Language along with culture too!

Gemini fuck off

Gemini Look idiot you have no idea what Washington had to consider. A new nation that has yet to grow and is in a fragile state. Going into a war that if they lose could mean the destruction of the nation. If you had brain you would realize that.

Gemini you realize that the French gov't we signed the treaty with had been destoyed....this was an entirely different group of people and they still didn't know who was in charge there.

yes. j.

I barely recognized him under all that makeup, but there's no mistaking that gruff voice of his. Either way, solid actor!

Just JuanGoodCitizen David Morse did the best portrayal of Washington I’ve seen. Great casting.

We have the DVD... In the special features they show when David McCullough first saw David Morse on the set as Washington ... That was great! Just an excellent job all the way around!

He was great as Tritter as well! He's a very talented actor

He isn’t shy. He’s soft spoken. But underneath there’s a fierce tiger.

Yes, his acting is very good. I wish he did not look so much like Mickey Rooney. Mickey Rooney as Washington is just wrong.

@@ardalla535 Mickey Rooney? Lol. i thought he made a convincing & commanding Washington, though, again, I'm troubled by the lack of accent.

@@jeffallcock4561 It's a Westcountry English accent.

@@soybasedjeremy3653 . I don't mean to denigrate Morse's performance, I just don't hear an accent. It doesn't much distract me from the performance but I wonder when the English of No. America shifted from English variants, like yr Westcountry, into America Northern and Southern accents and speech.

RevengeOfTheKaizer yea, US was newly formed nation and had no position to get involved in European affairs.

@@republicempire446 The US never should have involved itself in European affairs. Because this country got involved in WW1, it upset the balance of power in Europe which resulted in Germany's humiliation, the rise of Hitler and the horrors of WW2 along with the Cold War related violence that plagued the rest of the 20th century; The after effects we are still dealing with today. The world has never been the same since.

Lord Inquisitor to be fair the US involvement in WW1 probably didn’t make much of a difference. In fact the US was actually neutral selling weapons/vehicles etc. to both sides a majority of the war If I remember correctly Germany was already probably going to lose when the US entered the war. Also it was a world war in that it dragged everyone in to the war somehow. It remaining a European only conflict died before WW1 started.

@@captaindestruction9332 US saved Paris, which would've made defeat not so crushing. While the British charged towards the Germans with tanks and etc..., the Germans then invaded towards Paris, where vast numbers of Americans held firm and defended alongside the French.

@@Intrepid_Crusader1096 It was Germanys fault in both World Wars in the case of American involvement. WW1- The Zimmerman Telegram WW2- Hitlers declaration of war.

If Washington ever told me to "Tread carefully" I think I'd pee my pants right on the spot.

In London, that would be the equivalent of "you facking wot?"

I would probably defect to another country at that point xD

Dang...

It’s like he wanted to pay back Washington for granting his bloodline safe passage to a good life in America.

@@edwardnigma6963 I wonder if his bloodline still lives, from what I gathered people used to have a lot more children than today back then, so it’s possible the line still lives.

Wow. And Genet married the daughter of the governor of New York and future Vice President.

That does not mathematically make sense..?

It's the Lord Palmerson quote: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." Reality is that the French monarchy supported the fledgling USA because they felt it was in their interest to do so. The USA had every right (based on the fact this wasn't a government of the French monarchy) and every reason to do what was in their best interest at the time, and stay neutral in the conflict. In the end that middle course served the US well during the Napoleonic wars; a catastrophic war was avoided, and the US benefited from the Louisiana purchase and the post-1812 improvement in relations with the British.

Would that also be the battle called St. Clair's Defeat?

@@mitchellulrich930 Correct

It would also be wise to keep in mind that their fleet would soon be at the bottom of the Atlantic if they even tried.

Didn’t know the Indians had won such a big battle

If you are French it amounts to the same thing.

@@bernardmcavoy1864 Or apparently american now...

@Conner Clark omg it's the French ambassador noooo 😱

Washington was a coward who hated the people so it makes sense he would never listen to them

instead of being servile to your former royal master a real leader and revolutionary would have helped the French

Lol rip

“gg Hamilton”

He was sucked up in the revolutionary thought at the time, it's why he was saying things like the blood of tyrants needs to be spilled into the tree of liberty.

@@josh18230 Are you saying he was wrong?

When bro says something cringe in front of your other friends.

More subtle is Jefferson’s clear support of the French and distaste in isolationism while showing Hamilton’s distaste for the murder of the previous monarch.

You might want to find some better adjectives for the American Revolution It was basically a civil war. A civil war where the leaders literally kept their heads.

Because the american revolution wasn't a revolution.

@@XMysticHerox Sure it was. It birthed the first Federal Republic. The French "Revolution" resulted in despotism.

@@briansheehan5256 Britain already was democratic. It was hardly a revolution. The french revolution resulted in a lot more than despotism.

i was learning this word,,,, and u have used it in a sentence and now i will remember it forever ....hopefully

“Check yourself before you wreck yourself.”

@@sirmount2636 "Oh no you di'nt!"

What he basically meant is "Don't fuck with me" or else - Pretty much

More like "don't threaten the president of the United States again."

Genet's actions were endangering American neutrality. After his meeting with Washington, he continued trying to recruit American privateers. Washington sent him an 8000 word letter of complaint on the advice of Jefferson and Hamilton (one of the few things they agreed on) and when Genet replied obstinately, Washtington asked France to recall their ambassador. Genet then received a recall and an arrest warrant and knowing that he was likely to be executed, he begged Washtington for asylum. Ironically it was Hamilton, Genet's greatest critic in the administration, who convinced Washington to grant him asylum.

I posted this earlier but if you watch the entire series Jefferson was totally absolutely irate that the U.S. did not help France in the fight. There is a scene shortly after this where Jefferson lectures Adams on the fact that France supported us in the Revolution and the fact that we couldn't support them was an absolute disgrace. This is a pretty good series.

He clearly DID expect former Ambassador to France Jefferson to save him.

@@MrAlexkyrathanks, Wikipedia, you know your stuff

@@maestroclassico5801 The ambassador who was also known for his revolutionary positions

True

@@AbrahamLincoln4 Hmmmmmmmm

Diplomacy in most total war games is damn near ridiculously difficult and stupid. Offering peace to an enemy after you defeat his army, sink orally his navy and cut him off from any aid from his allies? "We will fight to death! We have no need of peace"

@@thehandoftheking3314 "I will give you 5000 gold, some useful technologies and military access in exchange for one of your small colonies which you clearly don't care enough about to even build any roads in" "I'm THIS close to whipping you like a horse if you don't retract that offer immediately!"

I once offered $1000 for 10 turns to get help in a war. They accepted and did not lift a finger.

And yet Genet represented France of that time so well. Insane

That's the kind way of saying "This motherfucker be losing his goddamn mind."

@@foolslayer9416 I think Washington is telling him you better go talk to your boy

@@elrond3737 Sure... if you count Girondins warmongering and profiteering “insane”. This ambassador was a Girondins, not so radically for the people. They were the property-owning elitist types saying the people were “taking leave of their senses” by being angry and starved. They were a lot like Washington.

@@foolslayer9416 🤣🤣

Very well said. That's one reason why a draw a line between revolutions and independences.

Proving once again, the Americans think that the wealthy need to be protected, that the wealthy need to be comforted, on the small small impossible chance, your average schmuck could become wealthy The American dream. Suckers.

@@noydb2148 this was the late 1700’s. The “American Dream” was barely even a concept yet. This sentiment came from a simple standpoint of “killing people simply for being rich seems like a bad idea”. Especially when you consider that the Revolution became so violent that eventually even regular people were getting targeted. Finally, it even ended in a man declaring himself emperor, and attempting to conquer all of Europe. So in comparison, I’d say the founding fathers had the right idea.

@@537monster sorry, anytime I hear someone congratulating the founding fathers, I have a feeling they are of a particular political persuasion that could really care less what the founding fathers thought or what's good for the country now Founding fathers would have flushed Trump down the toilet. Of that you can be certain

@@noydb2148 Trump lost and you clowns still talk about him. I guess when you support a guy like Biden all you can do is deflect with whataboutism

92 dream team!

I can only imagine what they’d be able to accomplish if they were the current Presidential administration for the United States with all the power and resources we have now.

Yeah, you probably would have

USA is the cause of the revolution, and havn't repaid the depth.

You would have, dumb fuck

@@Rikard_A Haven't repaid the "debt" for your own revolution? Just be glad you're not still under Nazi occupation, Pepé.

With regards to how the "leaders" of france treated those who disagreed with them I'm glad we stayed out of it.

It is hard to tell, after all, it is France he demanded America to help, but he respected Washington a lot too.

Jefferson was an idealist, not a politician or administrator. Washington had more of the organizational mindset.

@@sirmount2636 He was also a general and knew full well how a war would play out.

Meanwhile Hamilton is sharp and direct.

@@briansheehan3430 He was also a dick. Being a dick means your ideas and ideals are ignored, no matter how right they are or are not. To many people dismiss tact and kindness as pointless and always fall short of their goals because people get tired of being around them. Or they get shot in a duel before they can do anything.

... Ambassador Genet was young, Washington and rest maybe respected age above all else. They thought different back then. Nowadays if Mexico has revolution and they sent a 18 year old to bargain with US would Biden think this showed a unsteady mexico govt? . . . And France was Catholic, the Founding Fathers didn't want to side again Protestant England, not sure Church of England pastors in New England would support that... And France was taking on all of Europe and would mostly lose I guess til Napoleon, and Washington knew the odds were high..... Just saying it's be surprising if US ignored all this amd risked a war with England and fire the first shot across the Canadian border, literally it's a big step for Washington to choose to start that fight after decades of peace.... Yes France was now a Republic but by 1800 the US sorta could see Parliament in UK ran things, UK was a democracy too if one looked deep, and I gotta think Ben Franklin and Jefferson knew this.... I'm no expert, just guessing..

Hey man, you gotta keep an open mind about stuff like this

Juan Ortega agreed! He was an excellent choice.

Everyone has their limits, and even the chivalrous and honorable Washington wouldn't be pushed around

I’d like to think the real General Washington would’ve been as authoritative. In fact, I’d like to think Washington would’ve risen to his feet before looking down on the ambassador to say, “Tread carefully.”

He is the tallest man in the room. He's bound to leave an impression on the little men.

Interesting.

Of The P Funk All Stars?

And his great-grandson, Edmond Genet, was the first American flier to die in the First World War when America joined in 1917.

Don't they all?

Is George Clinton Related to Bill And Hillary Clinton?

Agreed....Washington in retirement and reflection rather than an over the top mythological story. Davis Morse in 2024 is 70 and would be PERFECT in the role.

even then I imagine Jefferson was appalled by the events that happened in France during the reign of terror.

One could argue that he was putting on a mask in order to sway public opinion.

That’s why the French Revolution is considered such an important event for historians. Unlike old revolutions like the British glorious revolution of 1688 Or American Revolution who wanted Liberty for themselves, the French Revolution’s goal is for the French to bring Liberty at home but also to the entire world. It is the first revolution which talks about exporting revolutionary ideals to the rest of the world in which goal is universal and has for mission to benefit the entire human race.

Astute insight. I agree.

Actually he stepped down so he wouldn't look like a king.

This sounds very brainwashing.

To an uneducated individual like yourself ofcourse it does, because left ideology brainwashed you into believing that this is not the greatest nation in the world (hence why every puts their lives in danger to come here illegally). You are what I called an over privileged American, travel the world and live in other countries for a while and you will soon realize this is the greatest nation in the world.

If Washington ever told me to "Tread carefully" I think I'd pee my pants right on the spot.

@@hellogoodbye4061 I’d be lucky if peening my pants was the ONLY thing I did.

Washington had a temper! But he also had a slow fuse. It took a lot to set him off, but once you did... "Katy, bar the door." "Tread carefully, sir." is the equivalent of a rattlesnake buzzing before he strikes!

He fought a revolution during a smallpox epidemic. He evacuated his troops out of New York by ship under cover of fog right under the British 's nose, he rallied his freezing troops to cross the Delaware in the middle of the Night Christmas morning to surprise attack the Hessians, this French pansy didn't faze GW at all!

Mr. Bean?

Pickering I think

His name is Timothy Pickering

That's because 200 years ago, the US wasn't a world or even regional power. They couldn't have projected power if they wanted to. Tiny army, navy, and economy. What were they going to do? Most countries didn't even think the US would last much longer after independence.

Your country owes the French for its very existence, and yet you refuse to pay this debt of blood and honour? Yours is a nation of self-interested cowards.

@@TMThesaurus And who was it that landed in Normandy and spent weeks liberating Paris? The debt was paid.

@@randomtraveler9854 After France surrendered so quickly.

@@LordTalax That's not the point. France helped create America and America freeded France from Nazi Germany. Debt paid.

We really do. Too long have we been meddling in foreign affairs that much of the world hates us for it now. We've spilled too much American and foreign blood for interests that aren't important and for resources we don't need. The United States is long overdue for a good period of isolation and reconstruction.

After WWII we felt that it would be better to become the world police to keep dictators in their place.

@@serpentsepia6638 LOL

we became world police to stop the spread of communism and continued to be police to spread democracy and lead the world down a more peaceful path.

@@icecoldpolitics8890 That didn't work out very well.

@Michael Holmes Well thats unbelievably anti-semetic and you should be ashamed of yourself. As for the ideals we preach vs the ideals we embody you wont find me arguing we even remotely do the job we claim to and often times we end up accomplishing the opposite. However, Iran isn't a functional democracy in a even remote sense. Also, our biggest trade partner being china is a function of the free democratic system. As well as the fact that the next ten top trading partners we have are all democracies.

GP it was a huge cluster mess in early years of USA. It wasn’t perfect and it’s military was not well funded due to mistrust of professional permanent standing armies.

I can see both arguments though, but yes, it wasn't good negotiating at all.

"Mighty force"? The US military didn't come close to a European standard until WW2.

@@marsnz1002 thats very wrong. some time after the war of 1812, the US became the dominant force in the Americas where even the British, French, and Spanish didnt want to risk war with them. the French taking over Mexico happened because the US was occupied with a civil war and afterwards, the US was then supplying the Mexican Republicans. it also had a strong navy and was involved with Japan and China. not only that, they crushed the Spanish Empire in 1898. the US also built up greatly in ww1 when they declared war against the German Empire and in their own major offensive, the fresh US troops vroke through the German defensive of elite, well trained, and heavily experience german forces and were the 1st to cross the rhine. afterwards, they continued to buils up their navy which matched the Royal Navy and that worried the British. enough where they even secretly discussed ways to cripple the US Navy (which wouldnt be beneficial because the US is heavily patriotic and would probably invade Canada. a reason to why the British didnt want to take this risk), but ended up deciding to become partners and work together

@@marsnz1002 Well, no, but the French Army was worst and still they defeat 5 european coalitions

Even the best historical movies introduce events that didn’t occur. In the “The Crossing” there is a scene where General Horatio Gates ridicules Washington’s plan to cross the Delaware and attack Trenton. David Hackett Fischer’s book mentions Gates going to Philadelphia and not meeting Washington, which Washington was not happy about.

Need i remind you sir, that this is a drama mini series and not a documentary

@@brianweyne5723 I think my remark addressed that issue. Still, why does a filmmaker take on a historical subject if they have little interest in portraying that subject accurately? This show is in fact rather accurate though there are still unnecessary inaccuarcies.

@@DavidJGillCA these kinds of detail tweaks are usually in service of keeping good pace for the film or aligning the story well. I hate these kinds of inaccuracies as much as everyone else but as long as they make these in a semi-historically-accurate fashion then I have no problem with it

@@DavidJGillCA How about you just accept the fact this is NOT a documentary, who are you to say what is necessary and what isn't? You some type of French lover or something? Who's side are you on?

Hamilton also had a distrust of mob rule, which made the stable British more favourable than the unstable and passionate French.

Gwe123 Gwe123 Completely different situations.....but sure since you never picked up a history book this scene makes sense for every scenario that comes our way.

yep, that arrogant French ambassador dodged the guillotine thanks to a comfy exile in the USA

Because it was.

Also: Oh yeah,the guy we made the deal with-you just cut his fucking head off.

Translation: sorry France, now that it's my turn to hold up my part of the deal, I want to break it.

"Threat to Israel, Threat to America"

@@chloroxbleach8561 To be fair, a threat to France was very much a threat to America, without France, only Spain would be able to defend the Americans from Britain, even though they would fall in the "Napoleonic Wars". Logically, a threat to France was a threat to America as America did actually depend on that alliance in the case that Britain attacked again, but, I can see Washington's point too.

I'll take Donald Trump for $200 please

France was and is an actual and natural ally to America, unlike the artificial state of Isnotrael

@@bamicinder7635 True it was Frances and Britians Feud that let to the formation and survival in its early days.

That isn't how it happened - the movie erroneously simplifies a lot of things. USA recognized the new French government, making it the successor of the previous, and the treaty was also officially still in effect notwithstanding the government change. USA chose to stay neutral despite it and while France could have accepted that USA itself would not become engaged in the new war, what they couldn’t accept is that USA would contradict even trade treaties it had signed with France by making trade treaties with Britain - which is just what they did.

XD

He's an alien that went back to his beach side hangout through the universal travelling network...

angc214 In French Louisiana or in Louisiana with the boot. Cause I’m from Louisiana.

The Green Mile...

And some odd 200 years later John Adams was managing NWA.

"Black" Washington.

It is very ironic indeed.. The purpose of all of it at this point..

Cuz USA made UK a puppet after defeating UK pro monarchy and pro empire ideologies and instead USA forced his ideology of freedom and democracy against UK’s will

Crazy how USA owns Britain as a puppet now but France is still independent

Don't you mean Israel ? I've never heard the US had a "special" relationship with the Uk (also, special in what way ? toxic ?)

@@goofygrandlouis6296Actually I have heard both sides calling the US-UK relations as ‘special’.