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Ayn Rand - Objectivism vs Altruism

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LibertyPen

LibertyPen

15 жыл бұрын

Questioned by Mike Wallace, Ayn Rand explains her philosophy of objective reality and contrasts it with altruism. www.LibertyPen.com

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@arani5896
@arani5896 3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful speech. It's something that I can relate to so much. I believe it's crucial for a man to invest in their self-interests; it's really important for a man to be in his most elevated state of mind in terms of how he views himself before even thinking about pursuing a romantic relationship. This is such an interesting interview. I just don't like how the interviewer responded to her. I wished he had let her talk instead of always cutting her off. This just shows how dismissive people were. She made great points, but they kept getting disregarded because of society's beliefs at the time.
@ioioiotu
@ioioiotu 3 жыл бұрын
Self-interest is good, altruism is evil. Indeed what beauty, satan must be proud :)
@dogecoinminingsavage8904
@dogecoinminingsavage8904 2 жыл бұрын
This dialog is what we now call a podcast. Just like Joe Rogans. If only the creation of “podcast” existed since this time, the world would have SO much more wisdom content from all types of people, business magnates, philosophers & authors 👍🏼
@sashatagger3858
@sashatagger3858 2 жыл бұрын
I say this a lot. Get your mental health and life sorted out before jumping in to relationships with people, and reject the idea that relationships will fix what is wrong with you or your life. Going in to relationships in a messed up condition are the cause of many screwed up relationships these days.
@luisborges2048
@luisborges2048 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Certainly the interviewer motivation wasn't to uderstand but to shoot at her. If he was to do the former, he would have asked better follow-up questions
@andrewsteel5271
@andrewsteel5271 3 ай бұрын
That interviewer was a flippant schmuck. Ayn Rand is the GOAT
@zupergozer
@zupergozer 9 жыл бұрын
Ah look at this, people actually debating and asking hard questions on television. Haven't seen that in a while
@thanszh
@thanszh 9 жыл бұрын
Is that sarcasm I detect? Or are you serious?
@LesterBrunt1983
@LesterBrunt1983 9 жыл бұрын
PA W I think he is pretty serious, and if not then I am serious about it.
@sleepyd1231
@sleepyd1231 8 жыл бұрын
+zupergozer You're absolutely right. And look how they are doing it respectfully, they actually fucking care about having productive discussion. I'm so sick of this offended professional victim culture.
@atlasrebellion5792
@atlasrebellion5792 7 жыл бұрын
And believe it or not, she's not interrupted every two seconds.
@JW-uy2on
@JW-uy2on 5 жыл бұрын
Because the media has completely embraced Ayn Rand's philosophy and shut out alternative and dissident voices.
@glenzo215
@glenzo215 9 жыл бұрын
I love the part where she points out that if you love everyone indiscriminately, you are actually loving nobody.love implies an affinity and special concern for something. If it is doled out indiscriminately, it ceases to have meaning.
@catalinmarius3985
@catalinmarius3985 8 жыл бұрын
+glenzo215 I disagree, love is simply taking care of other's needs. Love can be either special or indiscriminately as you said, but that doesn't make it less of a love. You can hate only a few people, or hate everyone. If you start hitting everyone in the face with a baseball bat, and then ask them "do you think I hate you ?" do you think they'll say no ? We are still selfish by our very nature, men must definetly not live for others, that would be a waste of his life, man must only sacrifice himself for others if he/she desires so, it's not obligated, and desire would imply his own inner intention thus living for himself. But, at the same time, man achives happiness by altrusim, it makes men happy to offer, this is what Ayn Rand failed to either realise or accept (And psychological studies back me up on this, and no it's not because of religious beliefs but human nature, atheists are not excluded from "it makes men happy to offer") . The thing is, there is a thin line between altruism, stupidity and excuses. But those lines exist for those with minds to see the difference. Don't get me wrong, there is wisdom in her words, she's calling out a lot of BS people tell to themselves even this very day, it is only the tiny fact that men get happiness from doing altruism that she missed, and her definition of love that I disagree with, and I also belive that she doesn't make a difference betwen romantic love and the other kinds of love, which makes her objectivism rather subjectivism, but on everything else she is correct.
@catalinmarius3985
@catalinmarius3985 8 жыл бұрын
Which part don't you understand ? I'll try my best to explain it.
@glenzo215
@glenzo215 8 жыл бұрын
+Catalin Marius almost everything you said is a contradiction. if that same person were walking around hitting people with bats do you not think that they would selfishly skip over their loved ones? does the happiness we derive from altruistic behavior not come from a connection to those it helps? naturally we are more inclined to give to family, friends, and others we relate to, than we would be to murderers, rapists and strangers, etc. Rand does not ignore the satisfaction one gets from altruism. She simply differentiates that satisfaction as coming from discrimination towards those we selfishly care for. I believe you need to brush up on her readings to understand the nuance you missed.
@catalinmarius3985
@catalinmarius3985 8 жыл бұрын
Of course there is more love to the family. But that doesn't mean we can't not take care of everyone else's well-being on a lesser level than our family's. Nope, simply act of helping an unfortunate makes you happy (psychology) and not because of a connection, you don't even need to know who he/she is. But you must know you helped someone less fortunate than you, not a scammer. As for the second paragraph, she has a good point, however, Love everybody =/= love everybody at the same level. If by "if you love everybody" she automatically meant "on the same level" too then I agree with her, but without "on the same level" I disagree with her. Thus it would still make no sense 'Objectivism vs Altruism' proving that both can co-exist without contradiction. Sure, someone could attack your family, but by that very action he's no longer a part of the good society, those acting in collectively constructive not destructive ways, thus helping him wouldn't be alturistic at all for society but only for that person. Simply put, the most altruisting thing you can do is to lock that person to prevent further harm to any member/s of society.
@mikeblain9973
@mikeblain9973 8 жыл бұрын
You are using the word "altruism" to mean voluntary acts of kindness. That is not what Rand means, she used the original meaning of altruism (from Comte) of viewing others as higher value than yourself. These days the word is used in a more relaxed way for any kindness, generosity, even charity. This is almost the opposite of Rand's (Comte's) meaning. The reason you give to charity is because others are worse off than you. The reason you give under altruism is because others are higher value than you. The mentality of those two actions is almost opposite. Rand advocated giving under the giver's terms (charity), but was against giving out of duty (altruism). If you listen again to the interview her words will now make more sense.
@jeffamunoz
@jeffamunoz 4 жыл бұрын
*The fault in my college education, was my philosophy teacher taught Ayn Rand's Objectivism's philosophy as problematic. I knew I loved her view on life and believed in it, yet he taught me it was incorrect. Philosophy should not be taught with a view of right and wrong, we are students and free to choose.*
@christopherhand4836
@christopherhand4836 4 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Munoz that right is gone in current day colleges
@jeffamunoz
@jeffamunoz 4 жыл бұрын
@@christopherhand4836 *I would hope so, this happened while I was in college in 2014 - only 6 years ago.*
@scottttym
@scottttym 4 жыл бұрын
Philosophy is all about teaching right and wrong. Maybe your professor was just simply wrong. LoL
@scottttym
@scottttym 4 жыл бұрын
Be happy your prof even mentioned Ayn Rand... When I was in college, they wouldn't even give her the respect to consider her a philosopher.
@tonyjames1953
@tonyjames1953 4 жыл бұрын
Your instructor has his own right to argue in favor of his views. The quality of teaching is not found in squelching the position of its instructor but rather in that instructor presenting as many sides to any argument as necessarily and reasonably exist. My best educational experiences resulted from professors who held particular opinions but permitted me to argue against them or debate them. I knew what to encounter in their correcting of my papers, but that only served to tighten my reasoning in hopes of successfully challenging their comments. And I simply do not understand your notion that "Philosophy should not be taught with a view of right and wrong..." Is not the entire premise of Philosophy about establishing the good, the right, the reasonable, the more likely, the highly probable, and so on? If so, then the opposite of those positions must also be investigated, but a foundation of that which true must be observed.
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 4 жыл бұрын
"man cannot expect love if he does not deserve it" Love this!!!!
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwalkinit Can't hove love without them!
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwalkinit She isn't talking about filial love she's talking about romantic love. you can't lie and take what she says out of context. Nobody chooses to have a brother or sister. That's a decision their parents make. Romantic love is a choice, and if you don't deserve to be loved you should never expect it.
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwalkinit Yeah well those people are probably not experiencing real romantic love, but rather the more base sexual lust that theyre confusing with love, the kind where you think you're in love because you're having sex with someone a lot when you've never done that before. If they were actually in love then they would love each other for all their flaws, and the "loser guys" and "waste of life chicks" would actually provide something of value, perhaps validation or maybe just a shoulder to cry on. In either case they provide something invaluable to their partner and hence deserve said love.
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwalkinit She's not saying somebody deserves someone elses love; that would be crazy. Stalin and Mao Zedong probably never went that far. She's saying love is an earned quality, in that I earn the right for people to love me by being a loveable person. That is not to say I earned the right for you to love me, and that I can thus claim you as you put it. It's just more general. I earn the right to be loved by living a virtuous life, but I don't earn the right to your love. That's your discretion who you decide to love, but who decides to love you is not your discretion. You don't decide who loves you; it happens by how you carry yourself, i.e. you must earn somebody's love by treating them well with honesty, compassion, etc. etc. Although I will add that the whole "claim" idea actually does exist in relationships. Couples joke about it all the time, and some people actually find it erotic.
@Powd3r81
@Powd3r81 3 жыл бұрын
​@@jwalkinit You didn't even fuckin read what I just wrote. THE RIGHT TO BE LOVED AND THE RIGHT TO BE LOVED BY SOME PERSON ARE TWO DISTINCT IDEAS. Your ignorance and lack of basic comprehension as well as your insistence to twist what she says into what you think she says is seriously annoying. Go back and rewatch the video if you need to and stop conflating your projection of what you think she said with what she actually said as a way to create some stupid debate. YOU HAVE TO BE A GOOD PERSON TO BE LOVED, BUT BEING A GOOD PERSON DOESN'T MEAN SOMEBODY WILL LOVE YOU. There, even a deaf blind chimpanzee could understand that.
@Topself24
@Topself24 7 жыл бұрын
I totally get it! Let's not water down emotions by giving love away freely. Let's make it mean something to us, for us! For my own sake! I love you because I see value and morals in you. I love you because you deserve it. I know what love is because I love myself fully and I can share with you the same love I feel for myself. I serve you because I serve myself. Ayn Rand is awesome
@paulcherry8742
@paulcherry8742 5 жыл бұрын
The voice of reason against the howling mob👍👍👍!
@benmmbk765
@benmmbk765 5 жыл бұрын
You said it. TRUE. The stupids can NEVER win anything. NEVER. They always will be the LOSERS.
@JohnSmith-yl9en
@JohnSmith-yl9en 4 жыл бұрын
That is it. You cannot love others if you don´t love yourself. Jesus in the bible says ´love others as you love yourself´, while contradicting in going overboard with self-sacrifice, as an impossible moral standard. I think of the distinction as a expectation of self-sacrifice [with the religious threat of hell or punitive measure by man; e.g. socialism] vs voluntary human interaction between individuals.
@FriedaTheFowl
@FriedaTheFowl 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@pkarandi
@pkarandi 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulcherry8742 Nice quote! I'm a Rush fan too. That line is from Nobody's Hero right?
@christianmcdowell3052
@christianmcdowell3052 4 жыл бұрын
He accuses her of reducing love to a business transaction when it is he that is referring to monetary social programs and taxes as "love"
@opticalraven1935
@opticalraven1935 3 жыл бұрын
Thy name is irony.
@stevemcclendon
@stevemcclendon 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. As a man who's worked most of my life for the benefit of others I can say she's right. A man does not have the obligation to sacrifice his life for the sake of others, but should pursue his own happiness. Choosing to sacrifice for the sake of others because it makes him happy would still fit within her philosophy if I'm not mistaken. It must be his free will choice, though. She speaks against altruism and even says it's evil. This is an interesting thought exercise. Is there anything we can do that is truly altruistic? In other words, no matter what kindness we do for others, isn't there always a personal benefit or selfish motive? It may not be visible or noticeable by others but it's there.
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
Personal benefit from making an anonymous donation vs the selfish 'altruistic' public display of making that same donation? Read the part of 'Atlas Shrugged' about Hank Reardon's brother asking him for a donation to his progressive society group.
@Vorpal_Wit
@Vorpal_Wit 3 жыл бұрын
"Choosing to sacrifice for the sake of others because it makes him happy would still fit within her philosophy if I'm not mistaken." Yes. I believe this is the distinction Ayn Rand makes between Altruism and Benevolence.
@rworded
@rworded Жыл бұрын
Psychological egoism.
@Whaddayamean13
@Whaddayamean13 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, and this is what so many idiots don’t realize, that helping others or reaching out to others is a noble thing if YOU are personally invested in it. She uses the example of a husband who loves his wife “for your own good.” No woman would want that. You can apply that to anything like welfare too. None of it is helping because it is done out of obligation and force. Not a desire to do it.
@MrGijimbo
@MrGijimbo 9 жыл бұрын
The Declaration of Independence did not state '......life, liberty and the pursuit of self sacrifice.' now did it? The ones that scream loudest for the 'self sacrifice' of others are always the ones with little to sacrifice themselves. Funny how that works.
@stongeel8770
@stongeel8770 12 жыл бұрын
Rand's philosophy is most useful in the psychological realm, in terms of dealing with the pressures of family, friends and peers to live for them, and sacrifice one's own goals and ambitions to the needs of others. Consider the freedom from guilt one gains when one is able to say "I will not give up my life or my future to tend to the weakness or decay of others."
@DrexisEbon
@DrexisEbon 7 жыл бұрын
I think she should have mentioned that love is selfish by nature. You love people because it benefits you to do so. if you say you love someone but you actually hate them, you don't love them... it's pretty simple. Their values benefit you. you keep them around because they're useful to you. Communal form of any type only exist to serve self interest or they wouldn't emerge.
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but the love expresses itself in different complex ways. Being in love is not loving your next door neighbour. Rand talks about love in a one dimensional way. That's dangerous
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
Society has always been give and take .there fact that we live for yourself can the true else we would be able to trust anyone in anyway.
@antoniodeyeshua5176
@antoniodeyeshua5176 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Renenzi This is a very good reply.
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
No you don t hate someone you love you share love
@Slowpoke3x
@Slowpoke3x 4 жыл бұрын
I love my dog but he is a far greater burden then benefit he takes time energy and money away from me. And my benefit is seeing him happy in turn giving me a nice feeling. Does this count as a benefit when my life would be better off without him? I love him despite the lack of benefits.
@barrygormley3986
@barrygormley3986 8 жыл бұрын
I don't understand what the alternative to her view of love is meant to be. If you have no standards by which to judge other people, how can you draw any distinction between one person and another? If you can't do that, then how can you claim to love anyone in any meaningful way?
@barrygormley3986
@barrygormley3986 8 жыл бұрын
+William Sebring I caught zero logic in that.
@MyDenis0
@MyDenis0 8 жыл бұрын
but she said everyone has they re private curency in love as to means it's relative but it doesn't mean it's not true for us.
@84bravado
@84bravado 7 жыл бұрын
Love is a selfish plesaure.you dont fall in love in what you can do for them, you fall in love in wha they can do for you. Objectivism
@lunasa4387
@lunasa4387 4 жыл бұрын
The alternative she presents is that we shouldn't base love around what they for us, or what we do for them, we should base it around who they are, i.e personality etc, we shouldn't sacrifice ourselves for the sake of love, we should only accept love if its beneficial to our individual well being and happiness.
@esotericbeep5923
@esotericbeep5923 3 жыл бұрын
No no it's the conventional idea of live which has no standards, when you're asked to love everyone. Shes suggesting you use their virtues, their personal qualities as a basis or standard for loving them.
@darlingnikki1353
@darlingnikki1353 4 жыл бұрын
For a guy that's super preachy and on a moral high horse Mike Wallace sure is being judgemental, argumentative, sarcastic, condescending, arrogant, self centered, self-righteous and rude. And by example she pretty much proves her point by remaining calm, patient, thoughtful, intelligent, profound, logical, analytical, critical thinking and honest.
@octavioavila6548
@octavioavila6548 9 жыл бұрын
She is so right. People down here in the comments and that guy in the video have completely misunderstood her. She is very right about what she is saying
@CosmoShidan
@CosmoShidan 9 жыл бұрын
Her principle, the non-aggression principle, doesn't work with her other principle, altruism is evil. What I mean by that is, while Rand states that we should treat others as ends-in-themselves as Kant did, she also states that empathy is unnecessary, which is problematic, because in order to treat others as ends, you have to show respect for their well being, life and autonomy, i.e. respect who they are as people. That is where her non-aggression principle should come in, but because she said altruism is evil, it makes the former useless, as it requires empathy to work, in that you have a duty to yourself and to others, which means to show respect. What it all boils down to is that, Objectivism just doesn't work with the two principles that contradict each other.
@mikeblain9973
@mikeblain9973 9 жыл бұрын
CosmoShidan The libertarian non-aggression principle necessitates respect for others "well being, life and autonomy". I don't see any contradictions, except in your mistakes about what Rand stated. For example, Kant's ideas were almost completely opposite to Rand's. She also did not state that "empathy is unnecessary".
@CosmoShidan
@CosmoShidan 9 жыл бұрын
Mike Blain Yes she did. If one states that "Altruism is evil", that is a rejection of empathy. Not to mention rejecting Kant's maxim, of having a duty to others and a duty to yourself are also another form of empathy, which Rand was opposed to, and that makes the non-aggression principle fail hard.
@mikeblain9973
@mikeblain9973 9 жыл бұрын
CosmoShidan No, the NAP has nothing to do with empathy. It simply states you cannot initiate aggression, and does not need any understanding of the other person. It has no contradictions.
@CosmoShidan
@CosmoShidan 9 жыл бұрын
Mike Blain "It simply states you cannot initiate aggression," In which empathy is required to make it work. The idea of treating others as "ends-in-themselves" means that you treat people as human beings rather than a means to an end, which means to objectify. It means you show respect for the rights of others, which is what empathy is about. No empathy, the NAP does not work and is in contradiction with human rights.
@houstonsrb
@houstonsrb 5 жыл бұрын
There's a huge difference between me seeing my neighbor in need, feeling compassion, and therefore freely deciding to supply their need or to assist them in some way, versus me seeing my neighbor in need and using their need as a justification to compel others to assist or to forcibly take from others in order to share what I have taken with the neighbor in need. The first is benevolence whereas the second is malevolence or tyranny. Moreover, struggle is a necessary condition for human growth and fulfillment. Take away the chance for failure and you have at the same time taken away the chance for success. Take away the reason to voluntarily do good and eventually nobody will.
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't that exactly what the Welfare State has been doing for the past ~60 years? Displacing Churches and Community groups as the places people turned to in times of need, where now its a gimme gimme line at the Welfare office and no clue who their neighbors are?
@emmafrost13333
@emmafrost13333 9 жыл бұрын
People do everything for themselves, even altruism. Some feel good when helping others, either because they were taught to feel good or because they feel the pain of others through empathy. So I mostly agree with her objectivism. I think all the hate she gets is because most people have different standards in life. I may not agree with hers because it doesn't suite me, but she is accurate in portraying how the human mind works.
@eartianwerewolf
@eartianwerewolf 8 жыл бұрын
Her brand of philosophy is pretty much believed to have had a part in the '08 economic crash and other problems we are having with corporations based on greed have the underlying tone of 'do what is reational for the self' at the expense of what is good for everyone else. Besides, she doesn't address how doing things for others can ultimately benefit one self (if more people are happy, the world tends to be a better place). I agree with her somewhat, but it's too much of an unrealistic ideal , and most philosophies are hamful if they don't take into account some level orf reality or compromise. I think a mix of altruism and objectivism are good in that a person should only do what they can once they have achieved a certain level of satisfaction in their lives.
@percivalconcord9209
@percivalconcord9209 6 жыл бұрын
eartianwerewolf I like to view her philosophy as a "well if you have to claim something that is moral or immoral this is the most consistent way to go about it." It's just a for argument sake argument.
@TeaParty1776
@TeaParty1776 5 жыл бұрын
@@eartianwerewolf > Her brand of philosophy is pretty much believed Who is the believer of this belief? Or did you receive a mystical revelation?
@lotusmagikis7895
@lotusmagikis7895 4 жыл бұрын
@@eartianwerewolf your misunderstanding what shes saying then. Your comment is based on opinions and emotions!!! Her philosophy is based on respect for others and not sacrifice your virtue for others!
@leighharwood916
@leighharwood916 4 жыл бұрын
Precisely. All human beings act purely out of self-interest. Even altruistic acts - are shaped by self-interest. For example, rich people give money to charity because it makes them feel good; otherwise they wouldn't do it. Ayn Rand gets a lot of hate because she understood human nature for what it is. She could see through all the politically correct bullshit and call a spade a spade.
@rationalmystic5
@rationalmystic5 8 жыл бұрын
HIS HIGHEST MORAL PURPOSE IS THE ACHIEVEMENT OF HIS OWN HAPPINESS.
@briane173
@briane173 4 жыл бұрын
It is practically a duty. What good are you to anyone if you've sacrificed your own well-being and all the implements of your well-being for someone who won't sacrifice anything for their own?
@rationalmystic5
@rationalmystic5 4 жыл бұрын
@@briane173 yup. Most times our hapiness is linked to the hapiness of the people around us. So sacrifice is a good thing at times. The real role of wisdom is to determine which those moments are. Take care man.
@luckyboxx7819
@luckyboxx7819 4 жыл бұрын
Brian E Youve never suffered lmfao
@IrelandVonVicious
@IrelandVonVicious 3 жыл бұрын
Fully disagree.
@ioioiotu
@ioioiotu 3 жыл бұрын
Is that objectivism or satanism ?
@justrenee2640
@justrenee2640 6 жыл бұрын
this is the philosophy i was searching for my whole life
@muhammadgbadegesin8043
@muhammadgbadegesin8043 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!!!!!
@lamalamalex
@lamalamalex 3 жыл бұрын
The exact words I was looking for as well!
@user-js2et4ic9k
@user-js2et4ic9k 3 жыл бұрын
I have read books over 10 years. The number of books is over 1000. Among these books, the most impressive book is 《the fountainhead》. Because this book makes me simple. This book explained all of my chaos in some sentences. I realized how to make my life well. I really want to introduce her philosophy to my hometown, which is korea.
@NoName-pe7nf
@NoName-pe7nf 3 жыл бұрын
Read her books
@NoName-pe7nf
@NoName-pe7nf 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-js2et4ic9k I just finished reading fountainhead. I never liked this kinds of books. But this one changed life for me. Everyone is putting their own convictions and their beliefs in you trying to give identity they carry. That way making you unhappy in same way they are.
@SwordOfApollo
@SwordOfApollo 12 жыл бұрын
I find that most who dismiss Ayn Rand’s morality don’t really understand it. Her “selfishness” is long-term, principled self-interest. People are a combination of the physical and mental, and your self-interest includes psychological values. Self-interest is not to be reduced to only the physical, such as money. Other people can be of tremendous psychological value (i.e. friends, lovers, children.) Rand recognized that benevolence toward strangers is in one’s own interest, in a free country.
@sev2300
@sev2300 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch her interviews, I find myself in awe of her thinking and philosophy of life!
@mikkokivisto4414
@mikkokivisto4414 3 жыл бұрын
Bioshock ring a bell? Works like a charm.
@jfangm
@jfangm 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikkokivisto4414 Bioshock was a poor parody of objectivism, because the devs failed to understand what objectivism actually is.
@AkshayPatil-qf5eh
@AkshayPatil-qf5eh 7 жыл бұрын
so many people are getting her concept wrong. that's what is making people hate her.
@sohsraider26
@sohsraider26 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!
@Red_Foxxy_Fox
@Red_Foxxy_Fox 4 жыл бұрын
They purposely make it out to be something it's not because they're actually fans of communism lmao, even though the police state it creates is horrendous. Just look at r/communism or r/laborwave on reddit, for example.
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't help that the leftist press has been bashing her for decades as her ideas threaten their fake altruism designed to create a socialist USA.
@mogenvonbogel7342
@mogenvonbogel7342 2 жыл бұрын
@@Red_Foxxy_Fox wouldn’t go on Reddit if it was life or death it’s an awful place
@MrFTW733
@MrFTW733 7 жыл бұрын
this philosophy is a great anchor, individualism is easily forgotten and masses of the general public are too humanistic, too reliant on others and vice versa.
@Uni85h
@Uni85h 3 жыл бұрын
2:26 “are these accurate criticisms?” “Yes” 😂😂😂 Ayn Rand is the man!
@DefinitelyNotAnOsprey
@DefinitelyNotAnOsprey 2 жыл бұрын
Ayn Rand was a woman, not a man. (Just clearing up a misunderstanding, please don't crucify me)
@BlakouttheMM
@BlakouttheMM Жыл бұрын
@@DefinitelyNotAnOsprey I think they were referring to time Ludwig Von Mises said she was "the most courageous man in America." She took it as a compliment.
@corujas_da_noite
@corujas_da_noite 3 ай бұрын
This interviewer bias positioning is the reason why we have yet to achieve higher conclusions on regards to the human condition. But then again she holds it together and rises above it. What an example!!
@dingereelamta2101
@dingereelamta2101 9 жыл бұрын
Why is it that when it comes to objectivism, people become so emotionally against it. Geez! There's no reason to the people refuting it, no facts, only a deep, irrational hatred. I wouldn't be so disturbed if someone had a rational counter-argument to the topic, but the more I look, the crazier it gets. It's really disquieting.
@michaelh6184
@michaelh6184 8 жыл бұрын
+Dingeree Lamta I agree, people always say things like "crazy bitch" or "evil woman" but never actually give any reason or facts to back any of that up. It always puzzles me. It is also somewhat ironic since objectivism advocates using rationality and reason as a basis for decision making rather than emotion.
@opaque2331
@opaque2331 6 жыл бұрын
Meister Incognito Do it, you might make more sales than her
@chrisf5170
@chrisf5170 5 жыл бұрын
Well one problem I have with her is that she was a imperialist (Despite believing force should only be used defensively.) And a bit of a racist. And of course her support of a coercive of Monopoly on Force and Arbitration.
@chrisf5170
@chrisf5170 5 жыл бұрын
@john edwards Not just that but the fact that she supported interventionism in general.
@chrisf5170
@chrisf5170 5 жыл бұрын
@john edwards Now don't get me wrong Ayn Rand is someone who intrigues me and is someone I plan to learn about. And I do agree with quite a few of the things she said. And even her defense of selfish is at least well argued. But My real biggest problem with her is inspired because a "rational" individualist who believed that man is in charger of his own destiny. That she believed that we still need a centralized coercive Monopoly on force and arbitration to rule over the masses. That man can not govern over her self. Which flies in the face of everything else she said. And I might have been out of line to call her a Imperialist (It was meant that she was to my knowledge in favor of American being the world's police officer.) And if that of out of line I apologize.
@Madhuwellness
@Madhuwellness 5 жыл бұрын
Her eyes !! She was ahead of her times. What she says is relevant today too.
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
No it is nt. She is a one dimensional and love come in many forms.she except the theory that in her case ideas people are just business
@nikolaskalman9640
@nikolaskalman9640 4 жыл бұрын
she had rare expressions
@oneworld8477
@oneworld8477 4 жыл бұрын
The further a society drifts from Truth the more it will *hate* those *who speak it.* - George Orwell
@jangdi.
@jangdi. Жыл бұрын
Look how smart I am by quoting famous quotes from famous people.
@eedobee
@eedobee 12 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Rand on most issues, but when she describes Love, she describes it in the most accurate terms. It's not so much a system of morality, but a true description of human behaviour.
@djgranville
@djgranville 5 жыл бұрын
She plays no games... lol I love it. We need more objectivity in society today- too much arbitrarity and decisions fueled by emotions and not reason. Emotions are important but need to be subject to reason, because it is the only reason that gives man the best likelihood of doing what ought to be done, not what he feels is right or is to be done, objectively.
@jabibgalt5551
@jabibgalt5551 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on!
@409raul
@409raul 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't fully explored Ayn Rand's philosophy (only seen this video and read a few chapters of the Fountainhead) but I think she is misunderstood. I have a feeling people might have taken her philosophy at a rather surface/face value and labelled it selfish and evil. But I think there is more to it. I think its deeper and more profound than just being plain selfish.
@Yourgirlkk2013
@Yourgirlkk2013 3 жыл бұрын
no kidding
@SoiLX
@SoiLX 12 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that in our society, we will take care of those who truly cannot function independently. That said, the philosophy offered by Ayn Rand need not destroy our tolerance for one another - we have the free will to tolerate and respect one another, but the idea of having RATIONAL(ie I won't harm others even though I know what I want) self interest is absolutely sound in that it is to neither assume being greater or weaker than another by birth, but to strive for his own greatness.
@imgettinby
@imgettinby 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think Mike is getting it. It's not about Loving someone, you can be concerned about your neighbors welfare, but you need to take care of yourself. And if he won't go earn his own living he shouldn't expect you to give it to him (sacrifice yourself), even if you feel bad for him, he needs to earn his own way, not have it handed to him by (big brother).
@amypeterson4615
@amypeterson4615 6 жыл бұрын
Note to all High School Debate Team members--do NOT debate Ayn Rand. You will only get a participation trophy .
@MadDunhill
@MadDunhill 4 жыл бұрын
we're a couple decades too late to debate her lol
@Rahulkrrajan
@Rahulkrrajan 10 жыл бұрын
Humans from the ancient of times have loved or selected a mate based on certain idiosyncrasies.We don't just love anyone,none of us have fallen in love on a whim,be it beauty or certain quality,it has always been a specific characteristics of a person which separates them from others which has attracted us to them,or in other words,a virtue!
@hareemsyeed9059
@hareemsyeed9059 10 жыл бұрын
! ??? ?
@benmmbk765
@benmmbk765 5 жыл бұрын
YOU have understood the concept. Well done. Congratulations, there are MANY who simply can NEVER understand OR pretend that THEY don't. Poor fellows.
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
@@christophernickels7846 The Socialist one brand, type or design of a product is all a good socialist needs.
@emocuta
@emocuta 7 жыл бұрын
I love this woman...and yes, I LOVE myself
@chrishansen2100
@chrishansen2100 5 жыл бұрын
I hate u. U fuckin bitch LOL
@nobodynothingberg4886
@nobodynothingberg4886 4 жыл бұрын
Misanthropic Atrophy uh..
@christopherhand4836
@christopherhand4836 4 жыл бұрын
Esther Mocuta you are hot
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
Then to love yourself above others makes you lonely
@emocuta
@emocuta 4 жыл бұрын
@ian one who you calling a hag? narcissistic? Lol
@mikem.s.1183
@mikem.s.1183 Жыл бұрын
Wow. It has taken me years to realise that I fully agree with Ayn Rand. In every possible way. That's why often people don't manage to understand where I'm coming from, where I'm arriving at. Yes, indeed. Man ought to strive for his/her own happiness first. He shouldn't be forced to self sacrifice - that should AT ALL TIMES be left to his judgement.
@BuFFoTheArtClown
@BuFFoTheArtClown 6 ай бұрын
6:00 He dodges that question purposefully. He didn't want his wife to hear that he loved her because he had to, not because he wanted to.
@francorocket9908
@francorocket9908 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the way she explained all and the man was a real interviewer asking and hearing her, knowing about the book, sadly those days has gone, when real reporters were in TV
@trotsky88
@trotsky88 Жыл бұрын
No! We love other people, even strangers and the undeserving, because we are humans with empathy. It's who we are and we need to embrace it. We know that we are part of a family and community and that to be a part of that community we must care about others and expect others to care about us. This is not about a controlling government or church, it is who we are.
@FaithfulFumoFan23
@FaithfulFumoFan23 Ай бұрын
"My philosophy is BASED" Absolutely
@sergduchini7299
@sergduchini7299 3 жыл бұрын
Rational and respectful debate and exchange of ideas. How unfortunate that this has disappeared from public discourse today, mainstream and online media. We are so much poorer for this loss. We have seemingly dumbed down some many things
@JustTayo
@JustTayo 4 жыл бұрын
What an interesting way of viewing life.
@JustTayo
@JustTayo 3 жыл бұрын
@jan osovsky you don’t seem very Open minded Brother. You don’t have to agree to the outlook but it’s nice to see some thinking happening out of logic.
@JustTayo
@JustTayo 3 жыл бұрын
@jan osovsky smiles. Ok.
@djburns318
@djburns318 4 жыл бұрын
1:16 - LOL - Wallace completely exposed for being intellectually outclassed. He also interrupts way too much.
@khroullo
@khroullo 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, she just defined my whole mindset. Something ive been unable to explain my whole life.
@matthanrahan6492
@matthanrahan6492 10 жыл бұрын
She was a Vulcan...
@TrekkerLLAP
@TrekkerLLAP 10 жыл бұрын
No... she was just insensitive. Vulcans care about other people and help them. Also, Ayn Rand was a very angry, arrogant woman. Vulcans are emotionless. Live Long and Prosper man \\//_ :)
@TrekkerLLAP
@TrekkerLLAP 10 жыл бұрын
OH WAIT SHE'S A KLINGON OH GOD
@matthanrahan6492
@matthanrahan6492 10 жыл бұрын
***** way to over-analyze it guys... She believes in using solely logic to make decisions, and she looks like Spock's long lost sister... plus, she hides her ears. Definitely a Vulcan.
@TrekkerLLAP
@TrekkerLLAP 10 жыл бұрын
Matt Hanrahan I still think she is a Klingon-Vulcan spawn
@percivalconcord9209
@percivalconcord9209 6 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Bixby Isnt technically all moral axioms are illogical?
@Superfastjellyfish669
@Superfastjellyfish669 7 жыл бұрын
I just watched this for the first time and love it!
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
Why did you love it .?
@manishrathore2486
@manishrathore2486 3 жыл бұрын
she is just saying love yourself first, do what makes you happy, and let other people do their thing
@jassandhar9442
@jassandhar9442 3 ай бұрын
“There are very few of us, then in this world, by your standards, who are worthy of love” Rand: “Unfortunately yes” She ain’t playing 😂😂😂 In my young 20’s I subconsciously was an altruist; the life experience and seeing the outcomes of altruistic decisions make me wiser. I find myself leaning towards Ayn’s “objectivism”. Success is something you attract by the person you become. Life and societal success. Discipline oneself and build knowledge on the important topics of life. Be accountable for your mistakes and grow from them. The more I adopted these philosophies, it’s seems like a lot of things in my life just naturally improved. Health, fitness, relationships, happiness in life.
@vascoambrosio7798
@vascoambrosio7798 4 жыл бұрын
maaaan, its the first time a hear this, I dont know yet how to process this. it kind of makes sense.
@gop6398
@gop6398 8 жыл бұрын
We seriously need this woman; America is going down the drain due to it's 'altruistic' ideals. I fear for what may come.
@eartianwerewolf
@eartianwerewolf 8 жыл бұрын
lol. Okay. sure.
@billlupin8345
@billlupin8345 5 жыл бұрын
I know you didn’t put that in the name of the gop. She hated them. Too much influence from the Christians.
@BerryA86
@BerryA86 5 жыл бұрын
You've got to be kidding
@Yourgirlkk2013
@Yourgirlkk2013 3 жыл бұрын
beautiful
@russg1801
@russg1801 7 жыл бұрын
Note that Ms. Rand unapologetically uses the indefinite pronoun 'he' in reference to a single, unknown individual which is the standard rule of English grammar. She isn't excluding women; she's just using a SINGULAR pronoun. Second, this discussion from nearly 60 years ago is far more erudite than the shouting matches that pass for debates on current TV.
@rogerramjet6134
@rogerramjet6134 2 жыл бұрын
Her work was utterly prophetic. Met her in 1976, still whip sharp. Anyone who talks about "altruism" is trying to con you - period. What they really mean is that YOU should sacrifice to THEM. Nothing on earth is more selfish than a self-professed altruist.
@rogerramjet6134
@rogerramjet6134 2 жыл бұрын
@sayitlikeitis Correct. It is actually impossible to commit a sane act of altruism. Your REASON may be because "you think it is the right thing to do," but that is still a personal choice. You an of make self-destructive choices because of emotional issues - but even those aren't "altruistic."
@louie1086
@louie1086 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful person; love her books.
@LokeshLeo
@LokeshLeo 4 жыл бұрын
I read it boobs.
@berettaxd7566
@berettaxd7566 4 жыл бұрын
Ayn? SHES HIDEOUS.
@louie1086
@louie1086 4 жыл бұрын
Lemon thank you 😌
@carolingi1741
@carolingi1741 6 жыл бұрын
💚 She was the bravest women of the 20th century 💚
@vidyanandbapat8032
@vidyanandbapat8032 6 жыл бұрын
Trakk Not a eoman, an individual.
@TreeLuvBurdpu
@TreeLuvBurdpu 5 жыл бұрын
She was even the bravest man. That's what Mises called her when he met her, she took it as a complement. To say she was the bravest woman, in this case, is a little bit like saying "she's the bravest, for a woman". Probably best to say she's the bravest person.
@gamergeek100
@gamergeek100 4 жыл бұрын
Ruby Bridges.
@michaelshapiro1543
@michaelshapiro1543 4 жыл бұрын
Woman.
@Dhorpatan
@Dhorpatan 10 жыл бұрын
"Private property can only be created through Force," The above is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. I would be utterly shocked if an adult would ever say something so absurd. When a person goes into a jewelry store, and buys a necklace, that necklace is now that person's private property, that they have a right to own and use as they wish. What force was used to gain that private property. Absolutely none. It was a mutual exchange of goods for monetary value.
@nebohtes
@nebohtes 4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate Ayn Rand's philosophy. I desire to be liberal, but am constantly fighting against my nature to be fair and caring. As an American Christian, I believe Rand's vision for the state is wholy correct; it offers no impediment for me to provide means to those I am compassionate for, allows every person to be as effective as they are able, and gaurantees the voluntarily unproductive members of society are at the mercy of those who choose to produce.
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
Just as it was at the time of the Founding of the Republic and the writing of the COTUS.
@thomasedmonds6658
@thomasedmonds6658 7 жыл бұрын
TELL THE TRUTH AYN! Love this woman!!!
@grantshort
@grantshort 7 жыл бұрын
I love her eyes! I think she misunderstood that there are different forms of love when examined in Greek. Agape is principled love for your fellow man. And it can come from the heart and not controlled by anyone else.
@benmmbk765
@benmmbk765 5 жыл бұрын
What do you mean heart? ONLY a mind can think and do everything else connected. Not a heart. Learn the difference. There are NO TWO centers of thinking in any living thing.
@Србомбоница86
@Србомбоница86 3 жыл бұрын
@@benmmbk765 a heart can think
@fredslick643
@fredslick643 10 жыл бұрын
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, abundantly in evidence here, is that her critics must distort everything she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual's rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility, NOT self-indulgence; & a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others' ends. How many critics would dare honestly state these ideas and say, " . . .and that's what I reject"?
@Julian-pk2vr
@Julian-pk2vr 2 жыл бұрын
Mistakes and corrections: 1 Reality exist as an absolute. my answer: Absolute only in the mind of the person, but relative to other minds. 2. Highest moral purpose is his own happiness. my answer: The highest Moral purpose of man is to live in peace, which brings about happiness to all, not just himself. 3. Man should follow his own personal self interest. my answer: Man should grow in conscience and consciousness towards himself and others. 4. Living for others is Love for others. (Her definition of Altruism) my answer: Altruistic love, is unconditional love, not based on generality but on specificity about individuals and mankind. We don't love hate, jealousy, greed, etc in human beings, but we love compassion, Serenity, Humbleness, Courage, etc. 5. Mans is a sacrificial animal when he is responsible for other human beings. my answer: it's called Objective ethical conduct, based on love and compassion for other human beings, and not a being a sacrificial animal. Had to stop listening to this women, at 4:23 of the video. She doesn't know what she is talking about......
@mikeb5372
@mikeb5372 4 ай бұрын
Your only problem is that you're listening to a very brief summary about complex matters of abstract thought which she gives very thorough explanations of in her writings. You may be surprised to discover that some of what you claim she actually gives similar but more consistent conclusions.
@vinayseth1114
@vinayseth1114 7 жыл бұрын
But her own novel 'Fountainhead' was full of bullshit sentimentality, especially towards the end, from the court scene onwards. Derrida pointed out very rightly that in every philosophical text, you can locate arguments against its own thesis. Rand was also displaying a subjective side when she pointed out that she 'created a morality...' She talks of morality here as if it's a work of art- a product born out of subjective underpinnings. Of course, I do think one can create works of art which are objective in nature, but then that objectivity being promoted is a product of the author's subjectivity. Rand's hypothesis that life should be lived objectively is her subjective stance. I don't intend to put anyone down here; I'm just wondering aloud.
@jamesbray46
@jamesbray46 5 жыл бұрын
You make some great points. I think, as humans, our own subjectivity is impossible to create. We are not “gods” who can observe situations from outside of those very circumstances. In saying she created a morality, you might argue that it was a language issue; if we reframed it as an objective morality always having existed but she was the first to articulate it in that way, then we can reconcile the apparent contradiction.
@christianponicki9581
@christianponicki9581 8 жыл бұрын
Want to see the type of people who argue against Objectivism? Here are a couple of examples of the wonderful, brilliant and intellectually honest saints who make the case for the great ideologies of collectivism and altruism: "whatsgoingon07" just got steamrolled by me in an argument starting with his comment, "She just rationalized sociopathy," and now he, a typical smug Young Turks fan, has blocked me after giving himself the last word. Apparently his case against Objectivism - made so boldly - was so strong that it couldn't withstand a KZfaq comment! And he's not the only collectivist to do so; another one by the name of "TheThirdMan" (note the arrogance in one naming themselves after a brilliant philosophical argument, as if _they_ were its embodiment) reacted similarly when I revealed his numerous contradictions on the topic of regulations in engineering. Of course, he took the collectivist stance and argued vehemently for giving even more power to governments, proclaiming his own nature as the embodiment of "Science" itself, calling my arguments against his a fruitless case against "Science". After I observed his appeal to authority and presented him with apparently irrefutable evidence against his position, he, fed up with my horrible irrationality and sick of dealing with peons like myself, blocked me. He sure showed me! Remember the case these people are making: self-interest is greed and individualism breeds egomaniacs. Ironically, these people are the epitome of egomania and apparently don't even see it....
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 8 жыл бұрын
There is an objective reality but Rand jumps way past this and is applying subjective human perceptions of morality and calling it the philosophy of objectivism. Objective understanding does not apply any perceptual bias, instead it observes reality and outcome independent of moralization. It does not seek to rationalize morality. If you can't see how terribly flawed her reasoning is, you are objectively ignorant.
@christianponicki9581
@christianponicki9581 8 жыл бұрын
ILikeMe 123 There are many perceptions of morality but only one that's free of fallacy. That one Rand argues to be Objectivist ethics. It's ironic how you call me "objectively ignorant" when your argument against Objectivism betrays an ignorance of the philosophy.
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 8 жыл бұрын
+Christian Ponicki no, you are a kool-aid drinker. Objective observation does not seek to apply moralizations nor rationalize morality. In scientific terms she would be laughed off the stage when trying to argue the ability of the mind for objective understanding. The human mind is evolutionarily wired to be rather subjective and irrational most of the time. Objectivity can only be used to observe society and its outcomes. Not determine it. You are a moral authoritarian who makes an argument for your "religion" much the same way a Christian presuppositionalist does.
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 8 жыл бұрын
+Christian Ponicki your "my morality is free from fallacy" argument is similar to the "my God created reason" one. It's a fallacy in itself.
@christianponicki9581
@christianponicki9581 8 жыл бұрын
ILikeMe 123 I find it humorous that you call me a "kool-aid drinker" when I'm not even an Objectivist. But what should I expect from yet another rabid Rand hater? Regarding your arguments, notice how you state as objective fact that we are inherently incapable of objective understanding? It's this habit of not thinking through your own positions that lands your type in endless performative contradictions; for instance, you defend the "is-ought gap" while ignorant of the fact that every "is" is a statement derived from an "ought" held by the arguer: "I ought to state facts". Axioms, learn them.
@CrimeEnjoyer
@CrimeEnjoyer 12 жыл бұрын
"How does the bank have nothing to do with free markets if they dictate how much money is worth?" A centralized public bank artificially dictating money's worth is NOT capitalistic. That is the point. It is antithetical to free markets.
@kwesiboateng2646
@kwesiboateng2646 4 жыл бұрын
It means a husband could tell his wife, i am marrying you just for your own sake... Lol! Thats never the case
@clocktowerhill8760
@clocktowerhill8760 6 жыл бұрын
One of the great thinkers of our time.
@groovy3443
@groovy3443 2 жыл бұрын
not really lol
@MysticPsyche
@MysticPsyche 9 жыл бұрын
This is not a Christian view. Hence, she was an atheist and opposed Christian morality yet she's very popular among right-wing Christians.
@TheGeneralOfWar
@TheGeneralOfWar 9 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting from a Christian view such as Divine love but that would require you to understand what Ayn is saying, which most of you don't and understand what Divine love is, which most of you don't. It could be argued that God was totally selfless by her definition(impossible) when he gave his Son to die on the cross for sinful humanity.
@MysticPsyche
@MysticPsyche 9 жыл бұрын
***** there are left-wing christians too. the catholic church takes a balanced view on economy based on its social teachings.
@vladnesas5767
@vladnesas5767 4 жыл бұрын
she's so smart.. his feeble mind just couldn't comprehend her ideas as it was a little unconventional back then
@imcharenlajamir3285
@imcharenlajamir3285 2 жыл бұрын
Man has free will. Do whatever you want. Love who ever you want and the consequences follows. Wether positive or negative
@DIEGOSANCHEZ-jm3vi
@DIEGOSANCHEZ-jm3vi 3 жыл бұрын
OMG I just finished reading the atlas shruged and I just realized how deeply inserted were catholic values in my moral code even though I decided to reject this religion when I was a child. Now I now were all this altruistic morality came from.
@raspiankiado4658
@raspiankiado4658 6 жыл бұрын
This woman makes sense.
@freetrade8830
@freetrade8830 Жыл бұрын
Ayn Rand was a genius. It is sad that her ideas have yet had so little impact on the world. The Earth would be incomprehensibly more prosperous, peaceful and happy.
@Daily_Llama
@Daily_Llama 4 жыл бұрын
Ultruism within the marriage is the EXACT reason why the divorce rate is so high. People think internally that they are not loved by the other because they aren't doing enough for them. Ultruism is selfish in the way that it gives someone an excuse to fall out of love because of a lack of mutual enslavement that is seen as one sided by the slighted party within the relationship.
@parek991
@parek991 9 жыл бұрын
She might be wrong..But i find myself agreeing with her.
@BitcoinMotorist
@BitcoinMotorist 9 жыл бұрын
Ayn Rand didn't think much of what is called anarcho-capitalism. But objectivism and anarcho-capitalism are really the same thing. Objectivism says that laissez-fair capitalism is the best form of government and she advocated for a separation of church and state and a separation of economics and state. She thought that the government's only job is to protect the rights of the individual. Anarcho-capitalists say that government violates individual rights by its very existence. By saying that government should only do that which it cannot do, she is arguing for anarcho-capitalism without realizing it.
@ValterStrangelove4419
@ValterStrangelove4419 9 жыл бұрын
ianharwood Actually, we don't want to exterminate all dissenting opinions, we are just so altruistic and compassionate that we want to help you guys out with this victim complex and persecution fantasy that defines your very existence! We know that your lives and your ideology would be meaningless without us lefties paying attention to you and "persecuting" you, so this way we give you a higher purpose and meaning. xoxo
@ValterStrangelove4419
@ValterStrangelove4419 9 жыл бұрын
ianharwood "In psychology a person who has a martyr complex, sometimes associated with the term victim complex, desires the feeling of being a martyr for his/her own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it either feeds a psychological need, or a desire to avoid responsibility. In some cases, this results from the belief that the martyr has been singled out for persecution because of exceptional ability or integrity." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex
@ValterStrangelove4419
@ValterStrangelove4419 9 жыл бұрын
Why are you demonizing and slandering the left with that bullshit straw man of yours then?
@ValterStrangelove4419
@ValterStrangelove4419 9 жыл бұрын
Well if you wanna get all technical about it, what you did was an attempt to assign collective guilt for. ironically, the non-crime of calling out objectivist's shitty behavior that some leftists (including me) like to do, to the politically left half of the world's population. Since hivemind and a certain dose of sociopathy is an essential part of the objectivist ideology, reverse-calling me out for assigning collective guilt to your ideology won't work.
@haviermassa198
@haviermassa198 5 жыл бұрын
Is Wallace defending socialism?
@EvieVermont
@EvieVermont 4 жыл бұрын
havier massa He is defending Christian or Judeo-Christianity I think
@briane173
@briane173 4 жыл бұрын
He's playing devil's advocate, which he spent a career doing. Now, no question Mike Wallace was a liberal, so this is a philosophy that is completely foreign to him; he tried to get Rand to defend the indefensible. Except that it's defensible. But in the end Wallace and Rand both walked away with their respective views intact. That's how journalism used to work. Today we just cancel anybody who doesn't agree with our POV.
@The11thKrimzonGuard
@The11thKrimzonGuard 12 жыл бұрын
Say what you will about the content of the interview, but it was remarkably refreshing to see how politely and civilly they discussed the topic.
@antonlampe2272
@antonlampe2272 3 жыл бұрын
She speaks as if she is reading of a script. What a bold and beautifull woman.
@urdisturbing
@urdisturbing 11 жыл бұрын
According to Rand, it is impossible to profit from unethical actions. This is one of the most mind-bogglingly stupid things a person can believe, and it should be immediately dismissed by anyone who has ever lived in the real word or who possesses the slightest bit of intelligence.
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 8 жыл бұрын
Her shifty eyes freak me out. Anyone else?
@Sydra.
@Sydra. 8 жыл бұрын
Most people are nervy in public.
@VVVVVVVVapsadf
@VVVVVVVVapsadf 7 жыл бұрын
Yep a little freaky. It's because there's a functional brain behind them.
@fatrick9001
@fatrick9001 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like she is just little nervous and is doing a lot of processing.
@shmeet
@shmeet 7 жыл бұрын
_____It's called giving full attention.
@capoman1
@capoman1 11 жыл бұрын
I love how each of the TV personalities that got the chance to speak with Ayn Rand... CHALLENGE HER!!! HAHAHA. If you have Albert Einstein as your guest speaker, IT IS TO LEARN WHAT HE KNOWS WHAT HE THINKS WHAT HE CAN SHARE WITH YOU AND WHAT HE HAS CONSIDERED DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU. Not to challenge Einstein. That is basically what I saw Wallace and Donahue do.
@fzqlcs
@fzqlcs 12 жыл бұрын
@casperado666 I would agree that socialism is a great system for those who have no problem with morality of theft and seek to live as dependent children. There are plenty of places that practice this system (Greece, dare I say), but it would be nice if there was one pocket where individual rights are acknowledged. Only capitalism is consistent with the principle of individual rights. When America's light of liberty flickers out, the world will be a very dark place.
@SayedHamra83
@SayedHamra83 5 жыл бұрын
The 101 Philosophy of Self-help!
@DrewMcDaniel
@DrewMcDaniel 7 жыл бұрын
Critics don't understand Rand has no problem with charity, just that you shouldn't sacrifice your own happiness for others. Obviously charity makes people feel good, so that's a win-win. Taxation, or stealing for the "greater good" and calling it charity is not justified because it sacrifices individual freedom. In other words, Rand never thinks slavery is justified, whereas people who disagree do think it is sometimes justified
@billlupin8345
@billlupin8345 5 жыл бұрын
Drew McDaniel Taxation isn’t for charity. Educating and feeding our children is an investment in the future. Military is a necessary evil. Medicaid and social security you get back.
@TDotRedemption
@TDotRedemption 5 жыл бұрын
@@billlupin8345 Lol Medicaid and social security is a ponzi scheme. C'mon now. You should get back what you paid in, but you won't
@billlupin8345
@billlupin8345 5 жыл бұрын
The republican party HAS been making noises about taking social security and medicaid away, saying nothing about reimbursement... So yes, it is entirely possible you will lose all your ss/medicaid by the time you need it. @@TDotRedemption
@TDotRedemption
@TDotRedemption 5 жыл бұрын
@@billlupin8345 Doesn't really matter if it's Republican or Democrat. Government's only good for making promises they can't keep or never intend on keeping. People are living longer than their projections and with more chronic illnesses, it's draining social security/medicaid. Also there the population is aging faster. We did not have enough children to replace the baby boomers. The people exiting the workforce are multiple times greater than those entering. We are going to have a physician shortage and geriatrician shortage. Not looking good at all.
@billlupin8345
@billlupin8345 5 жыл бұрын
@@TDotRedemption See, this is what I don't like about so many fans of Rand's work. The government isn't holding you back; it's yourself. You're predicting a shortage of physicians and geriatricians. Very well. Now, have you done anything to capitalize on that, and solve it in some way that brings you profit? No, you're just complaining about it. I'm not referring to people talking about raising the age of retirement, I'm talking about people who want to eliminate SS entirely. SS ought to be balanced such that you get back from it what you put in, adjusted for inflation, by the end of your life.
@mkschreder
@mkschreder 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. She is absolutely ahead of her time.
@mattorrock4844
@mattorrock4844 2 жыл бұрын
If only I could speak with half the level of articulation and eloquence displayed here. To say so much truth in so few words. She hit it home. I wish more people still valued having conversations like this these days ..
@TheGamingSyndrom
@TheGamingSyndrom 8 жыл бұрын
andrew ryan? anyone?
@yvesgomes
@yvesgomes 7 жыл бұрын
Ryan goes further, in a bad way. He ends up resorting to force. He doesn't respect the Little Sisters' freedom.
@TheGamingSyndrom
@TheGamingSyndrom 7 жыл бұрын
Yves Gomes STFU he build rapture he can do what he wants!
@yvesgomes
@yvesgomes 7 жыл бұрын
That's a joke, right? XD
@TheGamingSyndrom
@TheGamingSyndrom 7 жыл бұрын
Yves Gomes yeah
@TheGamingSyndrom
@TheGamingSyndrom 7 жыл бұрын
i build rapture in minecraft tho
@kennashley3114
@kennashley3114 4 жыл бұрын
Ayn Rand 2020!!
@Vimm_
@Vimm_ 4 жыл бұрын
Kenn Ashley I wouldn’t mind having her as president, of course, most people would have her impeached on the first day. People don’t understand that they create their own happiness, if you rely on someone to create happiness for you, is it really your happiness? They worked for your happiness even if you don’t deserve it. One of the only opposites I can for the happiness aspect is parent and child, parents are supposed to provide a happy life for their children to create hard working individuals who can then provide happiness for themselves. Ayn Rand’s philosophy is probably our world’s only hope. We create our world, we don’t make other people do it for us.
@briane173
@briane173 4 жыл бұрын
@@Vimm_ Politicians on the left have been selling the idea that it is government's responsibility to wipe everybody's ass and fluff their pillow for them for so long they've managed to make spoiled, helpless heaps of flesh out of generations of human beings. It's a compelling message for those who don't want to put forth any effort to achieve their own happiness. And you'll notice that for all the $trillions we've spent on this indulgence by government, government has failed miserably. Yet we still have these people who insist that "Well, they're just doing it wrong. Put us in there and we'll fix it." Uh huh. Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and eventually it becomes truth.
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
She would push to abolish the Welfare State on day 1 and eliminate all Foreign (welfare) Aid on day 2, the establishment socialist would all have strokes trying to be the first to sign the impeachment .
@Dhorpatan
@Dhorpatan 10 жыл бұрын
(Part 6-D) Rand opposed public education because this is simply consistent with her political philosophy. Which is Minarchism. Again, if you were not so overemotional you would clearly see how absurd it is to say someone is an evil thinker simply because they oppose public education.. Consistent with Rand and Objectivism, education would simply be privatized and put on the free market. Objectivism espouses a separation of education and state, similar to a separation of church and state.
@wisefix9256
@wisefix9256 4 жыл бұрын
A brilliant woman, whether you agree with her or not. Very consistent/systematic presentation of her ideas, in the most simplified manner possible, while not sacrificing relevant details of the general principles.
@jlconver
@jlconver 6 жыл бұрын
I love her.
@ianreynolds8552
@ianreynolds8552 4 жыл бұрын
What she has said has come true. Any trouble with the cornavirus
@mks8172
@mks8172 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought that morality was like that for a reason beyond neurotypicals in so I think this to be obvious.
@jeffcuda8811
@jeffcuda8811 12 жыл бұрын
The beauty of her philosophy is the simplicity............True free markets have to work..... Everything else falls into line...
@Br-Al-De
@Br-Al-De 11 жыл бұрын
actually, objectivism isn't against helping, only sacrifice. It does not consider immoral the man who gives a dollar to a beggar, but it considers the man who makes a bridge over water by drowning himself evil.
@qrit91
@qrit91 5 жыл бұрын
Massive respect for this woman.
@jayb7775
@jayb7775 8 жыл бұрын
mob rule be damned. Does it matter if 99.9999% of human history (including today and "at the time") agrees with the interviewer? IS SHE RIGHT? Argue *that* and we'll have a discussion... Edit: first sentence had a question mark, confused my intent.
@fzqlcs
@fzqlcs 8 жыл бұрын
Of course mob rule be damned. Do you favor gang rapes and lynch mobs? Hope your percentages are wrong, that is a lot of idiots walking the Earth.
@jayb7775
@jayb7775 8 жыл бұрын
The number was intended to include all of human history by estimate....maybe I overestimated? Four decimal places seemed like enough....
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh
@HarroldSmith-sk2oh 3 жыл бұрын
Why the perversion of the COTUS's 'General Welfare Clause' to allow the creation of the Welfare State has been such a disaster. The clause was never intended to be used to create a benefit for less than 3/4 of the population, yet they created Welfare for less than 15% of the population .
@samuelmichaels5456
@samuelmichaels5456 3 жыл бұрын
"Your go" Ms. Rand, I do believe however that that there were a number of opportunities to question the interviewer's (forget his name) attempts to "dumb things down" for what he estimates is his Ratings Audience.
@iamls360sterriker9
@iamls360sterriker9 3 жыл бұрын
Even if you do not agree with her philosophy and whatever, Ayn Rand was a remarkably intelligent and talented woman who is very much worth listening to. Her non-fiction works are particularly insightful if you are daunted by the 1000+ page novels.
@ObjectiveBob
@ObjectiveBob 10 жыл бұрын
And, really, what can one say about Objectivism? It isnt so much a philosophy as what someone who has never actually encountered philosophy imagines a philosophy might look like: good hard axiomatic absolutes, a bluff attitude of intellectual superiority, lots of simple atomic premises supposedly immune to doubt, immense and inflexible conclusions, and plenty of assertions about what is "rational" or "objective" or "real." Oh, and of course an imposing brand name ending with an -ism. - David Bentley Hart
@nicks9096
@nicks9096 10 жыл бұрын
Haha. You can't see the irony in that quote being guilty of what he accused someone elses point of view as being? That's the most smug attempt at intellectual superiority that I've ever read.
@christianponicki9581
@christianponicki9581 8 жыл бұрын
+Nick s Of course he doesn't see the irony in his comment; self-knowledge is a foreign concept to people like him.
@JehovahsThicness
@JehovahsThicness 6 жыл бұрын
You are making judgements on the person with no clue why he posted the quote, or what his views are. I myself have said things in full knowlage of the irony or paradoxality that they present, either coming from me or in and of themselves. David Bentley Hart (don't know who that is) as well as ObjectiveBob, May be making an ironic point. Here is an idea, you can use to judge me, if you so please. I don't know I am just a random youtube commenter.
@percivalconcord9209
@percivalconcord9209 6 жыл бұрын
ObjectiveBob That quote is an irony In of itself except for the fact he hasn't coined anything with an -ism.
@royalpotato1908
@royalpotato1908 4 жыл бұрын
Did you like her opinion? Then like this comment.
@IntheDudeWeTrust
@IntheDudeWeTrust 12 жыл бұрын
1. I never said that self-interest was just about one's biological function. 2. suffering is the only real value in the universe. It's value is negative. Therefore we create a positive by alleviating or preventing suffering which isn't always in one's own self-interest. Jumping on a grenade to prevent it from harming others is a good example of this. 3. Not everyone values integrity. But integrity has intrinsic value therefore it we should act with integrity regardless if we value it or not...
@juditmm
@juditmm Жыл бұрын
"Make yourself worthy of love"
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