Before you were born?

@@ttpq6618 dude's talking about his dad, so he's probably an old man

Im hungarian and a kurva apádat

I heard that story so man times but your are yust got to be yust like a gu dormant next roomer mate next door . And feeds his days and I se many of I'm the. , stop it please , dreamer . Don't fuck yourself yust as she is .

​@@AB-bg7osyour country was defeated

Yes, mostly in movies, airplanes move unnaturally fast and perform absurd maneuvers. Plus hundreds of cuts and weird shots. But here the director is not the testosterone-packed Michael Bay but Angelina Jolie ;)

A bit quiet though

It's just that, because it's CGI they choose all these ridiculous camera angles because it "looks cool" but all it does is make your brain immediately go "ah this is CGI". Personally I would direct the CGI as if I was filming it for real, or as close as possible. Now it all just looks super fake, like most modern war movies. That's why Maverick was so good, because they actually got actors in actual planes.

A woman produced this... I am ashamed @@MichalKaczorowski

Are you not entertained?@@celinamilian

If you do it enough times, it becomes "normal" and you know how to focus and do what is needed.

No wind or noise.

That's Hollywood for you

You should watch Memphis Belle then.

The women and children in the fire bombed cities screamed.

Had a scout master that flew with the 8th Air Force in 24s. He told me stories after I was in the Marines.

Thanks for sharing. I can share a similar story, but it's from the "opposite side" so to speak: when my Grandpa was 15 or 16, he and his school mates were drafted into the Flak crews that had to protect major German cities. His Flak battery was located in the industrial park of the city of Braunschweig. When I was a kid, he sometimes showed me pictures of his comrades, their battery and a Flying Fortress they had shot down. They sure looked proud on those pictures. Now 40 years later I wish I had asked more questions, but as a kid, I just didn't think of them... Like: did these boys operate the Flak on their own? Or did they have an adult officer commanding them? How much training did they get, before they had to go into combat? Did he know what happened to the crew of that American bomber? Did they die in the crash, or was the plane still able to make a "controlled landing" and they were taken to a PoW camp? From what I can still remember, the hull still looked pretty much intact. It was lying in a potato field and the wings, tail, propellers and other debris was scattered around it. (Obviously, it was far away from the Flak position, so the boys must have made a trip to the crash site after alarm was over or after their shift had ended?!) Isn't it crazy: now almost 80 years later thanks to KZfaq & the internet, you and me can share these stories with each other, your Grandparents' friend showing you pictures of his bomber and my Grandpa showing me pictures of "his" Flak and a bomber he helped shooting down...

@@ulrichschmidt5559 yea and a lot of people would call your grandpa a terrible person but in reality, at least in stories I have heard, german soldiers didnt really care about the politics, just keeping their comrades and family safe. I hope he had a good life and sorry for your loss

@@SyrupDipper "german soldiers didnt really care about the politics" I guess then it's fine. Maybe if they cared about the politics a little more, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust.

​@@wawawuu1514 yea true, but it was hard to, I mean if you got caught plotting a rebellion or something, you were killed. A huge number of soldiers would all have to rebel at the same exact time to have any affect. Also, they wouldnt have much reason to do so, hitler advertised his concentration camps as like a vacation where families are taught good lessons to become good citizens, not death and torture factories.

You must be proud, I'll admit war is hell, but your father had more balls than anyone from this generation and generations to continue. I cannot Fandom flying out there and luckily returning safe and sound and then doing it all over again balls of titanium right that what a MAN.

@@SCOOBMAN There's a reason that they are referred to as 'The Greatest Generation'! We owe them much!

My grandfather was the flight engineer / top turret gunner in B-17’s flying with the 15 th Air Force out of Italy in 1944/45.

I appreciate your grandfather and your comment. To me this scene is pretty realistic. No exaggerated AA fire on Japanese-held island, no planes exploding in the air, hard work for light Zeros to shut down a B-24 even without escort, yet still capable to damage it significantly, equally hard for B-24's crew to defend it and yes.. couple of real heroes wounded on the board.

my grandfather was a high ranking chief in the germen army so proud of him i look up to him he was one of the officers commanding in normandy

@@imamhussainibnmuawiya8630 what was his killstreak?

@@zlatanclovecic1944 Pretty realistic... muhahaha Four killed Zero's by a single B-24. It's complete Hollywood bullshit. Never happens. I love this really bad made movies. It's like comedy.

A great task for small men, no kidding. It took a special type of person to do that work, down there, exposed, always at risk of the turret getting stuck and the ship having to make a belly landing. Bless him; hope he made it thru the war in one piece.

yes, and in the older movies, the actors were heterosexuals & better actors.

​@@MrNobody55555 EXACTLY!! Guys like Rock Hudson, and Montgomery Clift, and ... Marlon Brando? Maybe Randolf Scott? Cary Grant??!

Yeah, not to get too technical here and all...but I like how the dude gets hit by two bullets in chest and head(7.7mm is what Zero was spitting) and they fix it all with just handkerchief and a good old... "I got you buddy... I got you" .😆😅🤣😂🤣😂😦😦

Errrrr Not exactly. The JaP ZERO HAD 20mm cannons too.@@FenderBender5150

@@FenderBender5150 might have been hit by shrapnel.

@@MrChickennugget360 UHm? What shrapnal? The whole thing was made out Aluminum and fiber glass

I doubt that 10 or 12 50 cal machineguns weigh 2 or 4 tons more that 10 303's

I thought the same thing! Who needs fighter escort with those gunners! LOL

You should read the book this movie is based on. The crew of "Super Man" (along with the rest of the formation) actually did shoot down those fighters and actually sustained more damage than what is depicted here. It was verified that not a single Japanese plane that took off to defend the island made it back home.

​@@camward9293 Probably one of those cocky pilot story written by someone so naïve as you are...

@@Ixyon77 That's a weird way to say you haven't read the book lol

@@camward9293 That's the weirdest way to say you can't understand a comment properly...

falling out of a plane so that my grandpa won't call me a pussy

My grandfather fought in WW2 and by the time he was 24 years old he fought against the Nazis and fathered 3 kids. Here I am at 35 walking around the apartment in underwear troubleshooting my crappy WiFi.

@@canyonoverland5003join the military

Wait till you hear about WWI aviators

@@canyonoverland5003 Can't blame yourself for struggles you did not have to endure.

Yeah, the B-17's in the pacific were replaced with B-29's

​@@justarandomsubnauticaplayer B-24s for shorter range, B-29s for longer range missions.

Only if you outrun the p-26 slowly headed towards you

it wasn't easy tho, just another day on the job for them

@@spitfiremkiv339 wasn't easy in reality but this movie is very far from it. A solo bomber would have been picked off by the first fighter.

Skill issue

Attention to the designated grid zone!

Watch the documentary about the longest bombing run in the Falkland war

Give Memphis Belle a watch if you haven't

@@talkingfish2382 I’ve watched it. It is one of the best movieI have ever watched.

@@gavin-cy dambusters is old but good!

А без "Нордена" бомбы улетели бы в космос? )))

Read a book once that said the accuracy rate for target hits, was about twenty five percent.

@@stephensmith7293 I don't think it was anywhere close to that.

@@tonyennis1787 Obviously destruction was the main aim of a bombing raid but breaking the morale of the civilian population was almost as important and every bomb that detonates, whether or not it kills, affects those on the ground. As a small child I was 200 yards from the impact of a V1 flying bomb - 80 years later I can still remember how a group of adults were utterly terrified as they waited for the explosion!

I did that to

can you blame them? used for 2 nuclear experiments,long lasting damage to DNA,worse then our depression and flying over your country to basically give a middle finger to you so yeah the pot shots and understandable lol same with the south in the US the north were terrorist and burned farms and killed family and children. starved us all when we wanted independence.

Thats crazy, do you mean by airplaines?? Or was there just random AA guns still scattered?

It is a MOVIE

Certain "realistic elements" would render any footage unwatchable

Many pilots grew deaf in their left ears while the co-pilots grew deaf in their right ears due to serving aboard B-24's.

Look, even commercial flight videos on youtube get its sound feed directly from the radio. Why? It is because the cabin noise disrupts the listening environment of viewers.

My grandfather wore hearing aids after piloting a 24. All four engines added up to 5,200 HP, which at 150 each is the same as 35 cars revving 20 feet away from you, for five or so hours.

Probably because bomb bay doors are stuck open, unable to keep up with the rest of the formation

In the biography, it states superman(the b24 zamperini was assigned to) thebomb bay doors were stuck open, and the plan kept dutch rolling so it lagged behind the formation. It was common practice to leave struggling bombers behind bc endangered the rest.

They're B-24's, so they're Pratt & Whitney engines as far as I'm aware

@@Neil-jm6om thanks for the information. I really enjoy listening to a Merlin engine. As an ex bus driver. Used to enjoy driving the Volvo B10. Diesel cars have allot of torque.

@johncheetham4607 No problem. When you wrote rolls-Royce, I had to double check there wasn't an escorting P-51D, which did have merlin engines. You absolutely can't beat the sound of them! Especially in a Spitfire

@@Neil-jm6om They used the Merlin engine in the American P 51 tank busters. My Grandfather Ronald Hughes were Oldham Royal Tank regiment WW2.

@@Neil-jm6om totally agree. But believe that the mosquito that were built out of wood was a Rekki plane. I'm an engineer in two fields. Can tell when an engine is knocking. Remember try to buy a second hand car. First thing I do before the engine is turned on. I lift the bonnet. Check the Oil. If it has milky white. That means the previous owner used cheap oil. Gadgets had blown and engine had leaked into the engine. Tip for you. I'm a steel construction engineer and a computer engineer. Used to do repairs on the petrol and diesel engine car's.

Im bodybuilder and i could take on that thing

infatti, hai ragione. un colpo di contraerea che andava segno disintegrava l'aereo, se invece scoppiava a 5 mt lo danneggiava , compresi i suoi piloti.

Yup, the ol' man was up there bombardier and navigator, flak would shake that plane all over the sky..

No world war for the past 78 years, that’s how.

TikTok 😂

Hard times produce strong people. Strong people produce easy times. Easy times produce soft people. Soft people produce hard times. The cycle repeats every 20 years or so.

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times” from novel by G. Michael Hopf.

@@jasonchang867 Close enough

really? I thought WWII was just americans vs americans

American heroism-are you serios?😂

@@pavelkonjok7201yeah what about it

Thank you, cameraman.

Amin

Nonsense. The men who were exploited for profit and greed

@@smokeybirdman So they _should_ have let the Axis win?

And all women can do is bad mouth men today.

The book mentions that they did shoot down 5 zeros, but it was with the rest of the bomber formation. Not just on their own.

@@scottishscott3504 Here I see one bomber shooting down 5 Zero. So that's a Hollywood ratio. Don't give a god damn s... about the book.

Sgt Benko of the 308th bomb group in China was first or second scoring gunner in the war. An officer was sent as an observer on a mission because they didn't believe his success. On that mission he shot down 7 Japanese fighters. He had been Arizona state skeet champion. His plane was the Goon.

@@dougmccoy1260 Propaganda had well worked on you too I see...

@@Ixyon77 my dad was in the 308th in China. Radio operator and gunner. There is a lot of material about Sgt Benko. Look up top bomber gunners. Lookup Benko. Lookup the goon b-24.

Lmao

cameraman jokes are as unfunny as they are ubiquitous.

@@inigo_bpc 🤓☝️

Culture wars is artificial anyway - used to divide people, emerged as a counterattack to the Occupy Wall Street movement. Implemented by the exploitation of social media algorithms, which encourage outrage to drive engagement. Never get baited into taking sides in the culture wars/identity politics!

Great book to read also.

Why would the ball turret gunner be still in the turret during landing and if they're accurate enough to aim for the landing gears why don't they just shoot out the engines instead?

@@lzl4226 Ball turrets were, at least early in the war, unreliable. Gunners got stuck in them until return to base. Donald L Miller mentions these kind of incidents in Masters of the Air. If I remember correctly, there was also a picture, or maybe it was so vividly described that I painted the picture in my mind.

@@samulilahnamaki3127 If that were the case wouldn't they bring some kind of tool onboard, like a pickaxe or something to dig hims out. I mean I can't imagine a case where knowing the landing gear is broken, and your friend is going to be crushed to death and doing nothing about it.

@@lzl4226 I don't have the book here to check. But what I remember, hatch of the ball can be opened only in one position and if ball got stuck in any other, it was impossible to get gunner out. I've seen B-17 in Chino museum and that ball is quite small. Metal and small windows, might be impossible to get through from any other way. Of course crews tried to get gunner out to the last moment, but at some point fuel run out. I highly recommend that book, tv series is coming in January.

No offense to your grandad's war stories, but that seems extraordinarily unlikely. lzl4226's above post covers some of the most glaring reasons why.

bombers nowadays are stealth meaning you wont get intercepted

How can you tell you dont have the stones? Nobody can declare themselves a hero or a coward forehand. Only the real thing determines that....something only our grandpas had the chance for. Thank God that we were never offered the chance to prove ourselves, that we were never needed in this same duty than some in our grandfathers generation...

I do.

BS@@Cybernaut76

Feel your chances are better going infantry? No thanks.

So if someone forces their way into your home you wouldn’t defend your family, even if it cost your life?

@@danielmeadows3712 That's a pretty lame comparison.

@@danielmeadows3712 that doesnt go with what the other guy was saying.

Heller was a self centered twit and an excellent writer. Who wins the war makes a HUGE difference to your family, your neighbors and everyone in your country. .

@@BeardsleyMarkIt was spoken by Yossarian (probably) so it's a deliberately self-centred, self-preservationist, myopic line. He has no family, friends, or real connections to anyone. Such a great novel.

No its not 😂

Facts

I thought the masters of air story was good but agree with you, the graphics and battle scenes were pretty bad.

The Japanese even treated their own soldiers horribly.

Shouldn't they also be wearing flak jackets?

nah. cost too much

@@gsherlock yes

​@@gsherlockmostly used in Europe

They were shooting rifle caliber bullets.

The Zero had two rifle caliber machine guns. He probably got hit with those instead of it's 20's.

planes where lightly armoured.... due to weight of taking off carrying their bombs..

While they did *sometimes* have vests, the crews in the Pacific Theatre did much lower level missions than their European counterparts. You even hear the wing commander at the beginning of the clip go "At 8,000 feet, this is it boys." Nobody needs supplemental oxygen at 8,000 feet, much less a thick winter coat.

Also happy that they got the armor on the tail gunners rear, he had armor there.

Ball gunner.

Man kann und mag sich nicht vorstellen durch welche Höllen die teils extrem jungen Männer gegangen sind. Ich weiß aus Erzählungen, dass mein Urgroßvater väterlicherseits in Stalingrad gefallen ist. Traurig das wir heutzutage alles als selbstverständlich empfinden, aber vergessen, dass es nicht so sein muss. Respekt an alle gefallenen Soldaten aller Seiten und mögen sie in Frieden ruhen.

Alle meine vier Ur-Opas sind leider an der Ostfront gefallen. Ich hätte gern ihre Geschichten von meinen Großeltern weitererzählt bekommen...Ehre an alle Soldaten, die gedient haben!

Твой дед был фашистом, чтоб гореть ему в аду!!!

Take that somewhere else

Да, твои камрады служили Цели, одни под Курском, другие в Аушвице, от каждого камрада по способностям. Все они гниют к счастью.

That's why they have mics headsets and intercoms. And radios.

They were in the pacific theater it was warm

And doubt if they were at 30 thousand feet.

that's basically a comedy at this point

...plus the weight of the bomber

What do you think they used to destroy hiroshima and nagasaki? The death star of course.

@@yusufbektas1961 makes since considering Hux was imperial before he was first order